Alpha-Yohimbine

[John Smeton]

Has anyone used this alone with a tight calorie restriction diet and had success and from expieiernce works just as good as yohimbine hcl, without the shakes?


I would like to use it in place of yohimbine hcl. I remember Dsade used to promote this stuff to the max.

I was going to stack yohimbine hcl or alpha yohimbine with the ec stack; however, after reading this article it changed my mind. I think ill do ec stack then when I hit single digits, keep the caffiene in and just add yohimbine hcl (or alpha yohimbine)

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[saggy321]

Yes...several times. It's very good. I get none of the sides from this that I get from Yohimbine HCL and its safe to stack with EC. It really is an awesome supplement for stubborn fat.

 

[monstermash]

Alpha-yo was way more tolerable for me. Just gave me stuffy sinuses... other than that I'd say fat loss was roughly the same as Yo-hcl.

 

[th3futur3]

Hm. Going to have to pick some up myself and see what it is all about.

 

[John Smeton]

Yes...several times. It's very good. I get none of the sides from this that I get from Yohimbine HCL and its safe to stack with EC. It really is an awesome supplement for stubborn fat.

Alpha-yo was way more tolerable for me. Just gave me stuffy sinuses... other than that I'd say fat loss was roughly the same as Yo-hcl.

Thank you

I would think yohimbine would work the same way as alpha yohimbine , making the heart work faster and cause crazy side effects like yohimbine hcl and ec causes, according to this author

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what does everyone think?

 

[dsade]

Thank you

I would think yohimbine would work the same way as alpha yohimbine , making the heart work faster and cause crazy side effects like yohimbine hcl and ec causes, according to this author

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what does everyone think?

No, it doesn't. It has different affinities for the Alpha-2 subtypes, and works much more centrally. I have stacked EC and Alpha-Y for years with little problem.

 

[D3Baseball]

Alpha-Y is awesome. I've ran it solo, with EC, and with other stimmed fat burners. Try to take it when you think your insulin levels are lowest (empty stomach for sure, but think of other factors - it'll be very low when you wake)

 

[John Smeton]

how many mgs, the same as yohimbine hcl?

 

[th3futur3]

Alpha-Y is awesome. I've ran it solo, with EC, and with other stimmed fat burners. Try to take it when you think your insulin levels are lowest (empty stomach for sure, but think of other factors - it'll be very low when you wake)

Saw my best results ever running yohimbine during fasted cardio!!! I know it is shunned upon to do...but hey...my body was loving it!

 

[John Smeton]

Saw my best results ever running yohimbine during fasted cardio!!! I know it is shunned upon to do...but hey...my body was loving it!

Im a beleiver in fasted cardio despite what a recent research says. so take alpha yohimbine, just like regular yohimbine hcl, on an empty stomach all at once?

or divide it up with the ec stack?

 

[pnut143]

Yah just on empty stomach, and along with EC is fine.

20mg yohimbine hcl with 200mg caffeine made my heart beat extremely fast and it was dangerous/uncomfortable. I don't even want to think what ephedrine would have made it like...

20mg alpha-yohimbine gave me absolutely 0 negative side effects, with all the benefits of yohimbine. Stacked with EC, say goodbye to stubborn fat! But yah just remember that insulin still renders it "useless" as far as alpha-2 receptors are concerned so I only use in mornings for fasted cardio.

 

[CJ_Xfit89]

No, it doesn't. It has different affinities for the Alpha-2 subtypes, and works much more centrally. I have stacked EC and Alpha-Y for years with little problem.

Dsade-if E was illegal in Australia, what could we substitue for it that can be somewhat effective????

 

[criticalbench]

love this stuff... much better imo.

 

[itzDodge]

Saw my best results ever running yohimbine during fasted cardio!!! I know it is shunned upon to do...but hey...my body was loving it!

I've been doing this with HEAT and Craze, gym intensity surprisingly up a lot. Yohimbine and any form of training is certainly going to improve your results though and don't forget the insulin resistant effect of training.

Im a beleiver in fasted cardio despite what a recent research says. so take alpha yohimbine, just like regular yohimbine hcl, on an empty stomach all at once?

or divide it up with the ec stack?

If you're new just stick with the label, do 2 per day and I'd say in between EC doses. If you've already been running EC for a bit you can take them with it but just know you're intensifying the effect of EC taking it with an a2 antagonist.

Dsade-if E was illegal in Australia, what could we substitue for it that can be somewhat effective????

Is methylsyneprhine legal?

love this stuff... much better imo.

Thanks mang, we do our best

 

[John Smeton]

But yah just remember that insulin still renders it "useless" as far as alpha-2 receptors are concerned so I only use in mornings for fasted cardio.

good to hear Alpha Yohimbine worked so well for you. That is what i heard take it on an empty stomach.

what is the whole thing about insulin and alpha yohimbine?

how about using bcaa's, and ec with it on an empty stomach?

I don't forget the insulin resistant effect of training.




If you're new just stick with the label, do 2 per day and I'd say in between EC doses. If you've already been running EC for a bit you can take them with it but just know you're intensifying the effect of EC taking it with an a2 antagonist.

does alpha yohimbine have anything to do with insulin resistance?

I plan on using alpha yohimbine solo. I am thinking of starting out at 5 and going up from there gradually.

 

[itzDodge]

what is the whole thing about insulin and alpha yohimbine?

how about using bcaa's, and ec with it on an empty stomach?

The fear extends from the fact that insulin is going to just prevent the fat loss anyways. Rauwolscine with BCAAs should be fine, its a monophasic(release) insulin response where as if its carbs its a biphasic(release+production->release) insulin response. You may not feel great though your first time combining EC and Rauwolscine so I'd try rauwolscine solo first at the recommended 2 caps per day and go up from there. Like whenever you plan on cutting a few days before hand play around with some doses, you'll notice a huge difference when you add caffeine and ephedrine. This is because of the way it works as an alpha 2 antagonist.

does alpha yohimbine have anything to do with insulin resistance?

I plan on using alpha yohimbine solo. I am thinking of starting out at 5 and going up from there gradually.

It's relatively similar to its predecessor yohimbine hcl in terms of its impact on fat loss but has different effects at the varying a2 subtypes throughout the body and this makes it much less potent on anxiety, many even report mood lifts. Depends though on what you're combining it with and I'd suggest ephedrine, caffeine as there really isn't a cheaper more effective fat loss stack.

 

[dabears10]

yohimbine hcl gave me cold sweats and an uneasy anxious feeling

 

[D3Baseball]

yohimbine hcl gave me cold sweats and an uneasy anxious feeling

Alpha-Y doesn't do that to people. You should try it, it's rather affordable. At 2 caps/day, you can get 50 days supply for ~20 bucks

 

[pnut143]

good to hear Alpha Yohimbine worked so well for you. That is what i heard take it on an empty stomach.

what is the whole thing about insulin and alpha yohimbine?

how about using bcaa's, and ec with it on an empty stomach?

Excellent Questions! And well basically insulin does temporarily inhibit fat loss but it seems from some research that norepinephrine itself will inhibit insulin release:
"The rate of insulin, glucagon, and somatostatin secretion was measured from isolated rat islets maintained in a perifusion system. The effect of norepinephrine (NE) was simultaneously determined on the release rate of all three hormones. Norepinephrine was employed at an acute dose of 10 micrometers and in graded doses from 1 nM to 10 micrometers in the presence of high (22 mM) and low (1.4 mM) glucose conditions, insulin secretion was maximally inhibited at 10 micrometers NE concentration and was significantly depressed at 100 mM NE concentration."

The amount of an insulin spike from BCAA should be minimal, especially when combined with cardio and all the norepinephrine release.

Also, some people were talking about the "anxiety" caused from yohimbine hcl- the exact same thing happened to me, it made me horriblly anxious... With Alpha-Y, nothing but good results.
"NE may play multiple roles in this process via its inhibition of insulin. When NE release is increased, NE is also released near the beta cells in the pancreas, responsible for secretion of insulin, and inhibits the release of insulin. So again, insulin becomes less of a factor in fat loss. "

 

[John Smeton]

Alpha-Y doesn't do that to people. You should try it, it's rather affordable. At 2 caps/day, you can get 50 days supply for ~20 bucks

are you talking about alphaburn? Alphaburn is 30 mgs per capsule

Is alpha yohimbine the same mg for mg as yohimbine hcl?

That sounds like a lot to me.

Another point I feel is important

The author of that article I posted says use ec stack first the help get some of the bodyfat percenttage off (In addition to a good contest preparation-nutrition, cardio etc) and then add in the yohimbine when it seems to stall or to target that last lower troublesome area of fat on the lower abs.

so what does everyone think ec stack, then add in alpha yohimbine when things stall, if possible and have enough time on the contest preparation(or your time limit for your goal)?

^^^this is what I think is best; because I try my best to change one varaible at a time contest preparation, you can find my log in the contest prep section, for more information on this as I agree with Chris Aceto on this contest preparation way of doing things; although I guess either one would work well

or ec and alpha yohimbine stacked from the beginning (and Im open to this as well)

 

[dsade]

are you talking about alphaburn? Alphaburn is 30 mgs per capsule

Is alpha yohimbine the same mg for mg as yohimbine hcl?

That sounds like a lot to me.

Alphaburn is 30mg at 30% concentration (10mg).

 

[John Smeton]

Excellent Questions! And well basically insulin does temporarily inhibit fat loss but it seems from some research that norepinephrine itself will inhibit insulin release:
"The rate of insulin, glucagon, and somatostatin secretion was measured from isolated rat islets maintained in a perifusion system. The effect of norepinephrine (NE) was simultaneously determined on the release rate of all three hormones. Norepinephrine was employed at an acute dose of 10 micrometers and in graded doses from 1 nM to 10 micrometers in the presence of high (22 mM) and low (1.4 mM) glucose conditions, insulin secretion was maximally inhibited at 10 micrometers NE concentration and was significantly depressed at 100 mM NE concentration."

The amount of an insulin spike from BCAA should be minimal, especially when combined with cardio and all the norepinephrine release.

Also, some people were talking about the "anxiety" caused from yohimbine hcl- the exact same thing happened to me, it made me horriblly anxious... With Alpha-Y, nothing but good results.
"NE may play multiple roles in this process via its inhibition of insulin. When NE release is increased, NE is also released near the beta cells in the pancreas, responsible for secretion of insulin, and inhibits the release of insulin. So again, insulin becomes less of a factor in fat loss. "

Yes I know insulin had an effect on fat loss. very good point about the alpha yohimbine helping insulin levels via norepinephrine(NE).
That is one of the reasons I like cardio first thing.

I have had extreme side effects , shaky trembling for regular yohimbine hcl at higher doses starting from scratch. I once had pretty good results with starting low and keeping low on regular yohimbine hcl

 

[John Smeton]

Alphaburn is 30mg at 30% concentration (10mg).

Thank you

 

[pnut143]

The extract in AlphaBurn is standardized to 30% Alpha-Y from the "rauwolfia serpentina" plant, so 30mg of rauwolfia serpentina contains 9mg of Alpha-Yohimbine

Therefore per pill, there is 9mg of Alpha Yohimbine.

The only products I have seen to contain pure Rauwolscine HCl (not from extract but rather synthetic form) are Alpha-T2 and OEP. The problem is with OEP, it's a proprietary blend so I'm not sure exactly how much Alpha-Y is in there. As far as Alpha-T2, it's a little more expensive, but for what it's worth, if money was no issue at all, I would go for the Alpha-T2 because when Rauwolscine is in a salt form (Rauwolscine HCl), typically absorption can be better than when compared to standardized extracts as seen in products like AlphaBurn and HEAT.

For what it's worth, I have never had any problems with Genomyx AlphaBurn (it's a great company) and the Alpha-Y has always seemed to work just fine in extract form. Perhaps you could always try both and see what works best for you.

Also in my opinion, I would use EC with Alpha-Y from the start. The reason for this is that while it is true "best results visually" are seen with lower body fats, including the Alpha-Y from the start will ensure that fat cells inhibitory mechanisms are disabled in both stubborn and non-stubborn adipose tissues allowing for maximal fat loss and muscle preservation.

For your final question, 10mg yohimbine hcl = 10mg Rauwolscine (Alpha-Y) HCl, as far as molecular weights are concerned (slight variation), but as far as physiological effects, alpha-Y is far superior because it has a much greater affinity to fat tissue (at least 3x I believe from studies I have read), so where yohimbine hcl may not all go to fat tissue, alpha-y primarily goes to fat tissue making it much more effective. So in a sense, you could even say as far as effect on fat tissue, 2-4mg alpha-y would prob equal 10mg yohimbine hcl since alpha-y is much better at affecting fat cells, whereas yohimbine hcl would bind to other receptors (and often have negative effects like heart rate and anxiety) and not fat cells like we want.

Hope that clears up some stuff!

 

[John Smeton]

The extract in AlphaBurn is standardized to 30% Alpha-Y from the "rauwolfia serpentina" plant, so 30mg of rauwolfia serpentina contains 9mg of Alpha-Yohimbine

Therefore per pill, there is 9mg of Alpha Yohimbine.

The only products I have seen to contain pure Rauwolscine HCl (not from extract but rather synthetic form) are Alpha-T2 and OEP. The problem is with OEP, it's a proprietary blend so I'm not sure exactly how much Alpha-Y is in there. As far as Alpha-T2, it's a little more expensive, but for what it's worth, if money was no issue at all, I would go for the Alpha-T2 because when Rauwolscine is in a salt form (Rauwolscine HCl), typically absorption can be better than when compared to standardized extracts as seen in products like AlphaBurn and HEAT.

For what it's worth, I have never had any problems with Genomyx AlphaBurn (it's a great company) and the Alpha-Y has always seemed to work just fine in extract form. Perhaps you could always try both and see what works best for you.

Also in my opinion, I would use EC with Alpha-Y from the start. The reason for this is that while it is true "best results visually" are seen with lower body fats, including the Alpha-Y from the start will ensure that fat cells inhibitory mechanisms are disabled in both stubborn and non-stubborn adipose tissues allowing for maximal fat loss and muscle preservation.

For your final question, 10mg yohimbine hcl = 10mg Rauwolscine (Alpha-Y) HCl, as far as molecular weights are concerned (slight variation), but as far as physiological effects, alpha-Y is far superior because it has a much greater affinity to fat tissue (at least 3x I believe from studies I have read), so where yohimbine hcl may not all go to fat tissue, alpha-y primarily goes to fat tissue making it much more effective. So in a sense, you could even say as far as effect on fat tissue, 2-4mg alpha-y would prob equal 10mg yohimbine hcl since alpha-y is much better at affecting fat cells, whereas yohimbine hcl would bind to other receptors (and often have negative effects like heart rate and anxiety) and not fat cells like we want.

Hope that clears up some stuff!

very informative. Thank you. Yeah think ill go with alpha burn at 2 caps per day and just start it with the ec and slowly ramp up with the ec.