Kristofer68SS
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Just a tad. Ya think
Good grief...this becomes a problem when people get tricked into thinking either the government or some foreign run body run by banks (in this specific case its the mega-corporations which narrow down to a few connected people) are here to help you.Hi ax1,
I was thinking how much the USA seems to be sliding into anarchy and how their government is behaving like a North Korean state when I get the following email from family here in NZ :
"There is a piece of legislation going through NZ parliament at the
moment called the Food Bill. There is not much information in the
media because the media aren’t or can’t talk about it. It will be
snuck through faster than a greasy pig while we are on holidays in
January.
Some parts of this bill involve change that is good. But some parts
are completely insane/horrendous and have the potential to compromise
your health in the future, because they reduce the ability for small
food producers produce and give away/sell seeds and food. And it
would be policed by Food Officers, not needing a warrant, not
government employees, & apparently having immunity from civil or
criminal prosecution! This is in the legislation!
And what is different about this legislation as it comes under an
international rule called ‘Codex’ or ‘’Codex Alimentarius’. If we go
along with Codex NZ then CAN’T CHANGE the legislation in future. This
is what is really apalling about this. It is not Common Law, it is
Napoleonic Code. It hasn’t happened before with food and is a quiet
part of Codex that most people don't realise. We would actually have
to get out of the W.H.O. to change this legislation if we didn't like
it - which is just not a thing governments do. We would be stuck.
So we need to take time on this legislation, not fast track it through
at Christmas time.
What’s really shocking about this is that these rules are developed to
say we need ‘food safety’. (Because we all know home grown veggies
are worse from us than mass produced stuff?!?) But what they really
mean is to get rid of little producers, little growers and keep the
growing of food in the hands of the big companies. Codex wasn’t
designed by governments and independent think tanks it was developed
by mega corporations – pharmacy, agribusiness, chemical.. These laws
were NOT initially drafted by the NZ government, but by lawyers
employed by big international corporates.
Main problems with Food Bill 160-2 :
1. Home & small growers who grow small amounts of food and sell
locally NEED to be exempt - they are not.
2... Seeds for cultivation and food seedlings NEED TO NOT BE within
the definition ‘food’ under the Bill. (This is huge – imagine you not
being able to produce seed and give away!!). This sounds crazy but
seeds will be ‘explicitly controlled substances’ (like drugs) –
seriously. Why? Not sci-fi – in time whoever controls the food chain
protects their own interests. (This is so unbelievable that I believe
this is why we are not acting.)
3. Under the Food Bill, Police acting as Food Safety Officers can
raid premises without a warrant, using all equipment they deem
necessary –
including guns (Clause 265 –1) (What is the precedent for this? Why
is this necessary?)
4. Members of the private sector can also be Food Safety
Officers, as at Clause 243. Eg. Monsanto employees can raid premises –
including
marae – backed up by armed police. (This has never happened before
or needed to happen).
5. AND Food Safety Officers have immunity from criminal and civil
prosecution. What is the precedent for this?"
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It actually sounds like they want you to report people that carry illegal firearms on their person, since they are simply going to arrest the person. There is no indication that they will search your home for weapons based on an anonymous tip (this certainly can't be enough to get a warrant from a judge). Also, it is only asking you to report illegal gun owners. If somebody doesn't agree with the gun laws in NJ (I have no idea what they are), they can certainly move.
It depends on how you look at it, and your way is certainly not wrong. I know as a citizen I know someone in my community is illegally carrying a gun (specifically with bad intent) I will just tip the Police off and let them know. I dont want a reward for that and I could use the money. I support community policing, its effective and its good to have a voluntary relationship with your local authorities. Its good to have relationships with your neighbors which appears to be a lost art these years. What I mean is we should have a natural responsibility in our communities to root out crime, and also naturally of course things will never be stopped.
Its corrupt government involvement as explained in above post the whole set up just bothers me. I know the focus appears to be the above posted topic, but in my mind its always "whats next" and I see a pattern here with Government involvment with creating snitch and tell societies. Hey, I wanna snitch the Government they were just caught smuggling weapons with their Fast and Furious program , but who do I tell? The UN and Nato, will they come to the rescue? They will ignore me of course.
There is another issue, subject to debate...but many people who carry guns illegally (define illegal, thats another debate) are only doing so to protect themselves from criminals. These people should have a right to own a gun, but now anyone can profit snitching you out in secret and now this person is subject to who knows now that they have lost their protection they need in a violent community.
Yeah, I certainly don't like the way they are going about things and the possible future implications. We shouldn't need $1000 rewards to keep the streets safe from known violent criminals in the community.
Kristofer68SS said:they are slowly programming us for it.
again, im sad for the youth of america.
if i die tomoro, i have lived free in my youth..... todays youth and the babies to come unfortunately, will not....... for this i am sad.
please explain the humor, as I am unaware.
ax1 said:What I see is too funny is that its unbelievable what this country has come too....we need to detain our Senetor who is traveling to Washington to cast votes that effect our lives but he must have his gentiles molested or he must be detained and subdued because he may endanger the passengers on the planes.
Its political satire...its funny but its not, see where Im getting at? Its like I slap my head kinda incident when I see things like this, so Im not speaking for AE14's opinion but I do see how it is funny...yet horrifically despicable at the same time.
If I'm reading it correctly, a body scanner went off. It's not like they just pulled him out of line and asked to search him.
please explain the humor, as I am unaware.
the TSA is training compared to whats coming.
you have people like soros saying collapse and violent revolution is coming, excuses for the govt to seize more individual liberty.
ax1 said:Excactly, and wait until they implement "FAST" (Future Attribute Screening Technology) at the airports and start detaining people indefinitely with no access to lawyer (under powers of the new NDMAA act) for crimes they have not even committed yet.
But wait, Im just wearing a tin foil hat speaking of crazy things like Pre-crime face scanning lie detector technology, right? lol
Here is a official demonstration video made by the Department of Homeland Security in regards to "FAST" (notice how they are using American's as the potential "terrorists" in the video which conditions the trainees into thinking Americans are the threat.)
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I'm pretty sure 84 new agencies were proposed in the state of the campaign last night.
Ax, kind of summed my thoughts. It does make me feel better that hell if I can get stopped, no reason some loony Senator couldnt.
Everyone needs to take the tinfoil hats back off.
Kristofer68SS said:i find zero humor in the erosion of my civil liberities , the constitution and my bill of rights.
you can shove that tinfoil hat up your ass
Has your life changed at all?
The answer to that question is no..... So continue with your hat wearing, especially after I remove it from my a$$.
Bunch of fringe Paul fanatics in here. Funny as hell though.![]()
Kristofer68SS said:Yes it has changed my life. Have you been to an airport before and after this bull**** TSA?
I have and it did in fact change my life.
Not to mention, we are no safer than we were before this first form of transit control set in.
Yeah its real funny.
Yes it has changed my life. Have you been to an airport before and after this bull**** TSA?
I have and it did in fact change my life.
Not to mention, we are no safer than we were before this initial form of transit control set in.
Yeah its real funny.
I have even to the airport several times, an funny enough my delay was only slightly longer. Which, btw I had no argument against. Again, we need to understand that not everything do we need to be so paranoid.
And yes, to me, the reactions I see here are hilarious.
I have even to the airport several times, an funny enough my delay was only slightly longer. Which, btw I had no argument against. Again, we need to understand that not everything do we need to be so paranoid.
And yes, to me, the reactions I see here are hilarious.
the feeling is mutual.
Its seems your reacting by your own self centered point of view (I dont mean that as an insult to you). Some people are different, for me example I dislike what is happening to society more than my own statehood. As a matter of fact my life has never been better but the trending I see is terrifying (and I dont mean I live miserably) to me.