Other than the fact that SD is significantly drier than dbol. You can run 20mg of SD and eat clean to have 5-10lbs of lean mass, not watery bloat. Sure, glycogen stores up and you get some water weight and bloating, but it's not from conversion to estrogen - much like dbol. SD gives bloat because it's increasing anabolic activity via glycogen uptake.
so you are attempting to compare the water retention effects of an aromatizing compound to a non-aromatizing compound?
Of course the aromatizing compound will cause significant more bloating then the non-aromatizing compound (although some non-aromatizing compounds can cause bloating too). No where did I suggest that dbol wouldnt cause bloating, in fact I even recommended if one were to do a dbol only cycle to try and limit carbs and sodium to reduce the amount of bloat they would get.
Dry gains can and have been done with SD, but as far as I know it's near impossible to put on anything over a few lbs of lean mass with dbol.
Really? Only a few pounds are possible from a dbol only cycle?
Hmmm... Lets see what I get when I google dbol only cycle..
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Gained 10lbs
So after a couple seconds on google I get two separate logs where someone gained at least 10lbs from a dbol only cycle, yet you dont think its possible to gain even a couple pounds?
Let me ask you, what makes you think dbol can only result in just a few pounds? You understand that the more anabolic a compound is the more it can help you build
actual muscle tissue (not only just water retention but actual growth) right? And you do know that dbol is, mg per mg, one of the most anabolic compounds available right? So where does this idea that someone can only gain a couple pounds from dbol? Im not following the logic here..
Lastly, why is this conversation shifting into a comparison of dbol to sdrol? The mention of sdrol by me was just to illustrate this idea that a cycle "needs" a test base. Point of the illustration was, there is no difference from a dbol only cycle to any other oral DS cycle (such as superdrol or halodrol or whatever). Yes test will make it better, that is pretty obvious I would think. Add in test and your going to be cycling longer now and
any cycle (including PH/DS cycles) are going to better if you add 8-10 weeks of an injectable.
Yessir, gains on SD r dry indeed unless u eat dirty. I'll take no aromatization from SD any day over dbol.
Again, how did this conversation turn into dbol vs sdrol? But since you brought it up, leas compare the two. First dbol is not as harsh as sdrol is. Additionally Dbol will give you a more balanced androgenic and anabolic ratio and boost libido too. You experience a feeling of "well being" compared to that shttty lethargic feeling sdrol gives you. Plus add in the toxicity of a sdrol, due to it being di-methylated and it looks like dbol wins again. Dbol is a 17aa compound so it will be harsh but it wont be as harsh as di-methylated (sdrol) compound would be.
So we have dbol which is a very well balanced oral (WRT anabolic:androgenic profile) which delivers good strength gains, mass gains, libido, and you feel amazing while on it. Lastly you get faster recovery and is less hepatotoxic than a di-methylated compound.
And then we have sdrol which is beyond a doubt a great compound for strength and size, but along with this comes the, feeling like complete **** while taking it, headaches, lethargy, more toxicity and a slower recovery (users tend to still feel lethargic and still get headaches even after the lethargy)
Again, this is not a discussion on sdrol vs dbol because as you can see above it isnt as clear as people try to make it seem like it is and is actually quite debatable as to which is the better compound. Now I am not saying dbol is superior to sdrol but just pointing out that there are some points to both compounds that could make the idea of superiority debatable.
