Forma Stanzol

[apertur379]

Hey guys first time posting in this section, I'd like to start off by Thanking RickRock for his help and advice throughout my cycle hes been extremely helpfull and was willing to guide/help me via pm with all my questions(which were a lot) Thanks Rick again!

So I ran Katanadrol alone for six weeks 200/250/300/350/400/350. The reason I started out at a low dosage was because I had a bad experience with Natadrol which you guys can read here anabolicminds.com/forum/lg-sciences/184402-natadrol-heart-rate.html (ended up going to doctor to make sure heart was ok and had bloodwork done) I just did not know how I would react to Katanadrol so started low to be on the safe side and see if I would have any sides. I would like to mention I did preload one week with n2guard prior to katana. Muscle wise I did not see much if anything only thing I see is that I did get cut up and did lose some fat. During the the second to last week of my cycle I had to travel,had no access to gym so I did not workout and I continued to take Katanadrol,that week I started dosage @ 400 which I was planing to run for the last 2 weeks since I started out so low. During my travel I did have an upset stomach last couple of days I was there,got back home I had a chance to workout two days,but during those two days my stomach kept bothering me, I ended up getting sic got the stomach flu, couldn't eat, had sore throat lots of coughing and fever,chills, and body aches. I was in bed for 4 days and didn't take katana during those four days, once I got well I ended up lowering dosage to 350 my last week.

Like I said I muscle wise I did not see much, I did get cut up a bit and I think that my traveling with no access to a gym and almost of week of being sick really hindered my progress I did however maintain my weight (160) went as high as 164 and now am down a lil @ 158. The other thing I learned which throughout this cycle was very cautious and had me a bit nervous was that I just simply did not know If my body would react the same way to any of the stuff I was going to be taking during the cycle. I am happy to report that I have felt no sides none whatsoever even when I went as high as 400 on kat, I literally felt nothing from kat.. no energy boost.. nothing.

I started forma this week again I started out with a low dosage 3pumps/am 3pumps/pm the very first time within a few minutes I felt well not weird but I could "feel it" the sensation u get cant explain lol next day I went 4pumps am 4 pumps pm and again I could feel it after a few minutes of applying forma, next day 5am 5/pumps pm and again felt the sensation. Now on my 4th day and today applying the same 5pumps I am no longer feeling it, My question is does this mean I should up dosage? Is it still having the same effects?

Thanks again Rick for all your help and advice!

PCT:
Forma
HCGenerate (edit forgot to add it)
NTBM DAA
n2guard
Fishoill

 

[RickRock13]

Glad I could help you out with everything bro. Don't worry about whether or not you "feel" Formastanozol. It is not something you should feel after dosing. Any sensation probably comes from the carrier and not any of the active compound. Stay at 5 pumps AM and 5 pumps PM. That is the sweet spot for dosing in most instances

 

[apertur379]

Thanks Rick for the input on the "sensation" I was feeling first few days, on side note seems HCGenerate is very good stuff, got my morning wood back yesterday lmao, only thing I am not liking is that few minutes after taking even bout an hr after If I burp I can smell it :S

 

[RickRock13]

Thanks Rick for the input on the "sensation" I was feeling first few days, on side note seems HCGenerate is very good stuff, got my morning wood back yesterday lmao, only thing I am not liking is that few minutes after taking even bout an hr after If I burp I can smell it :S

HCGenerate is crazy good for libido bro. I just started it yesterday myself, and I predict within a week I will be chasing my wife around the house with a raging hard on! oke:

 

[apertur379]

lmao rick... just cought up on your thread, great gains dood, wish I got at least half of the gains you got on this cycle. I really learned alot.thanks to you and this forum and really appreciate it. Now I know how my body is going to react to .. forma,hcgen,n2g. I am already looking foward to my next cycle hopefully.with something a lil more potent than katanadrol of which I Still.have 1 1/2 bottles left and didnt see much muscle wise. What would.u recommend for a 2nd cycle rick?

 

[gymrat827]

lmao rick... just cought up on your thread, great gains dood, wish I got at least half of the gains you got on this cycle. I really learned alot.thanks to you and this forum and really appreciate it. Now I know how my body is going to react to .. forma,hcgen,n2g. I am already looking foward to my next cycle hopefully.with something a lil more potent than katanadrol of which I Still.have 1 1/2 bottles left and didnt see much muscle wise. What would.u recommend for a 2nd cycle rick?

for you 2nd cycle. helladrol which will be a lil more potent that katan if ran a lower dose. hella - 50/50/75/75/75/75

you could use the same pct but add in clomid @ 25/25/25 or nolva @ 20/10/10

 

[RickRock13]

for you 2nd cycle. helladrol which will be a lil more potent that katan if ran a lower dose. hella - 50/50/75/75/75/75

you could use the same pct but add in clomid @ 25/25/25 or nolva @ 20/10/10

This is a pretty good recommendation from gymrat, and i fully support it. That would be a great 2nd cycle with low sides, more gains. Adding in the SERM to PCT is a good idea too. A lot of people will run it without one, but I would have it in there

 

[JudoJosh]

Formestane is a poor PCT choice (there are better OTC AI options that would be better for PCT) IMO. It is better suited for "on cycle" use.

 

[gymrat827]

Formestane is a poor PCT choice (there are better OTC AI options that would be better for PCT) IMO. It is better suited for "on cycle" use.

curious why you think its good for on cycle use and not in pct?? please explain further.....

 

[JudoJosh]

curious why you think its good for on cycle use and not in pct?? please explain further.....

The purpose of PCT is to encourage endogenous testosterone production and formestane has the ability and has the possibility to convert to 4-hydroxytest which is suppressive. Not really something I think one should risk in PCT when their are better options out there.

Again, this is my opinion and yes I understand the possibility of suppression is low when it is low dosed but like I said, for PCT why risk it when there are other options?

Here is a nice debate between Pat Arnold and Bill Llewellyn - Invalid Link Removed

There are also some other threads on formestane in that board too, like this one - http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/34491-formestane and there are a couple more.

I would encourage anyone who is thinking about using it as part of a PCT to read up and learn about it and then they can make a informed decision if it is worth the risk or not. For me it isnt, especially when Clomid + DAA works just fine for PCT.

 

[gymrat827]

forma stanzol boosts IGF levels and lowers shbg levels. Both of which are awesome for a AI.

and the 4-hydroxytest is supressive but it is less androgenic and more anabolic than formestane. So yes you could call it supressive it you use more than 10 pumps ED but even than, it would be light.....very very light supression.

forma also decreases the amount of progesterone too


Nothing that a few g's of DAA couldnt take care of. IMO is pretty much the best AI out there currently. Nothing else covers you from so many different angles.

 

[JudoJosh]

IMO is pretty much the best AI out there currently. Nothing else covers you from so many different angles.

And you are entitled to your opinion like how I am mine.

Facts are it can become suppressive and personally I dont want anything in my PCT that has that possibility.

Im not here to start a debate, nor am I gonna ask for evidence to back all those claims you made above. I simply stated I dont think it is a good choice for PCT as there are other options which I believe are better.

 

[apertur379]

Wow thread grew a few post been a bit busy. Thanks gymrrat for your advice and thanks Rick for checking back in here. Thing is I am already on forma today I started my second week on it, will check out your links judo and thanks for your input as well. Things are going great I am noticing minor differences,can see my abs a bit more and have no sides everything is going well so far.

 

[RickRock13]

Wow thread grew a few post been a bit busy. Thanks gymrrat for your advice and thanks Rick for checking back in here. Thing is I am already on forma today I started my second week on it, will check out your links judo and thanks for your input as well. Things are going great I am noticing minor differences,can see my abs a bit more and have no sides everything is going well so far.

Good to hear man. Forma really helped to lean me out nice in my last PCT without trying to. Its good stuff!

 

[gymrat827]

And you are entitled to your opinion like how I am mine.

Facts are it can become suppressive and personally I dont want anything in my PCT that has that possibility.

Im not here to start a debate, nor am I gonna ask for evidence to back all those claims you made above. I simply stated I dont think it is a good choice for PCT as there are other options which I believe are better.

im not trying to argue or anything bro, were all good