Doing PCT Need an OTC Test Boost

crankywanker

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I'm doing post cycle therapy with clomid and nolva. I've done quite a few cycles in my time but I really need an OTC that will boost my libido. A few years ago when I was doing cycles Test and Superdrol etc. I used REbound XT and Some other test boosters Rebound was an AI as I remember but there was another one that stimulated SHBG. I just need todays up to date version of a testosterone booster. I really need a massive libido boost.
 
crankywanker said:
I'm doing post cycle therapy with clomid and nolva. I've done quite a few cycles in my time but I really need an OTC that will boost my libido. A few years ago when I was doing cycles Test and Superdrol etc. I used REbound XT and Some other test boosters Rebound was an AI as I remember but there was another one that stimulated SHBG. I just need todays up to date version of a testosterone booster. I really need a massive libido boost.

DAA is really good. Try some testofen as well. Those products gave me a good natty test boost. Fadogia and the stuff in HCGenerate are pretty good as well on this board. Fadogia I liked but I can't get myself to buy it again lol.
 
DAA is the go to thing to boost testosterone. Stack it with Erase you have the best accessory compounds to add to a PCT.
 
The Athletix Stack is where it's at for OTC test boost/PCT. Formula-X(DAA/LCLT/NAT/BCAA's), Division 1 (3,4Divanil) and TitaniumXL(Fenugreek, I3C, LCLT). The Fenugreek/DAA combo will have libido soaring.

This stack is all dosed high, no underdosing prop blends here. Only $69.99 right now at Nutraplanet!
 
The Athletix Stack is where it's at for OTC test boost/PCT. Formula-X(DAA/LCLT/NAT/BCAA's), Division 1 (3,4Divanil) and TitaniumXL(Fenugreek, I3C, LCLT). The Fenugreek/DAA combo will have libido soaring.

This stack is all dosed high, no underdosing prop blends here. Only $69.99 right now at Nutraplanet!

Two of those will raise estrogen though...they could be made even better with Erase
 
Athletix Stack + PES Erase = best OTC PCT help you can get. Used this twice this past year and absolutely loved it.
 
I find the I3C does a great job at keeping estrogen in check, but never hurts to add in Erase, I love that combo!

I3C just assists in estrogen metabolism. I believe one study noted around a 16% increase in the 2-hydroxylation of E when using 500mg I3C.

I would not rely on this for estrogen control, especially since 4 capsules of titanium per day only provides 400mg of I3C.
 
I3C just assists in estrogen metabolism. I believe one study noted around a 16% increase in the 2-hydroxylation of E when using 500mg I3C.

I would not rely on this for estrogen control, especially since 4 capsules of titanium per day only provides 400mg of I3C.

The studies I've seen on I3C showed 300mg was an effective dose, but no I wouldn' rely on it was an anti-estrogen, all tho I don't think you would need more then I3C if someone is looking for a test booster with some estrogen control.

He is using a serm, so wouldn't Erase best fit in PCT 3 weeks in?
 
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Abstract
Recently we constructed yeast cells that either express the human estrogen receptor alpha or the human androgen receptor in combination with a consensus ERE or ARE repeat in the promoter region of a green fluorescent protein (yEGFP) read-out system. These bioassays were proven to be highly specific for their cognate agonistic compounds. In this study the value of these yeast bioassays was assessed for analysis of compounds with antagonistic properties. Several pure antagonists, selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) and plant-derived compounds were tested. The pure antiestrogens ICI 182,780 and RU 58668 were also classified as pure ER antagonists in the yeast estrogen bioassay and the pure antiandrogen flutamide was also a pure AR antagonist in the yeast androgen bioassay. The plant-derived compounds flavone and guggulsterone displayed both antiestrogenic and antiandrogenic activities, while 3,3'-diindolylmethane (DIM) and equol combined an estrogenic mode of action with an antiandrogenic activity. Indol-3-carbinol (I3C) only showed an antiandrogenic activity. Coumestrol, genistein, naringenin and 8-prenylnaringenin were estrogenic and acted additively, while the plant sterols failed to show any effect. Although hormonally inactive, in vitro and in vivo metabolism of the aforementioned plant sterols may still lead to the formation of active metabolites in other test systems.

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hcgen has: fadogia, 3,4 Divanillytahydrofuran, fenugreek/testofen. and tribulus. Every important ingredient that has been mentioned in this thread.
 
So is the consensus that HCGenerate would work very effectively to boost libido? What else should I add or should I go with the Athletix Stack? Do most agree with that or is that just a few people?
 
So is the consensus that HCGenerate would work very effectively to boost libido? What else should I add or should I go with the Athletix Stack? Do most agree with that or is that just a few people?

To be honest i would really consider lowering or removing nolvadex, im almost certain thats the libido killer for you.

DAA is the best test booster around, so id probably grab some SNS DAA caps and Erase to lower the high amount of E you have.

SERMs raise estrogen.

Perform is another good supplement to help with Libido.
 
The studies I've seen on I3C showed 300mg was an effective dose, but no I wouldn' rely on it was an anti-estrogen, all tho I don't think you would need more then I3C if someone is looking for a test booster with some estrogen control.

He is using a serm, so wouldn't Erase best fit in PCT 3 weeks in?

The I3C in titanium just increases the clearance rate of estrogens and androgens. Its about as antiestrogenic as smoking. For someone taking DAA which will substanially increase estrogen i would not rely on this to control it. An aromatase inhibitor like Erase will prevent this conversion from taking place increasing testosterone even more.

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Does anyone have blood work to see pre estrogen levels and post estrogen levels after I3C or calcium D gluc, DIM etc?

DAA is a no brainer, and perhaps some other companies ai.

-Matt
 
So is the consensus that HCGenerate would work very effectively to boost libido? What else should I add or should I go with the Athletix Stack? Do most agree with that or is that just a few people?

Well I couldn't combine HCGenerate with TitaniumXL because they both of Fenugreek, I believe HCGenerate has 1000mg and TitaniumXL has 1700mg so no need to stack those, if you were to use HCGenerate you could stack it with Formula-X so you still get 3g of DAA and the 2g of LCLT, plus BCAA's and NAT for pre-workout as a bonus.
 
A couple more questions... will dropping Nolva hurt my chances of getting a higher testosterone count? I really wish to get my testosterone back up to normal ranges of 400 ng/dl. Also, I believe everyone agrees DAA and Fenugreek and Erase too? Which combination of products is going to give me the best benefit? Should I combine a product that has DAA with a product containing Fenugreek and use Erase also?
 
So is the consensus that HCGenerate would work very effectively to boost libido? What else should I add or should I go with the Athletix Stack? Do most agree with that or is that just a few people?

HCGen will boost libido very well. I would compare the athletix stack to HCGen
 
A couple more questions... will dropping Nolva hurt my chances of getting a higher testosterone count? I really wish to get my testosterone back up to normal ranges of 400 ng/dl. Also, I believe everyone agrees DAA and Fenugreek and Erase too? Which combination of products is going to give me the best benefit? Should I combine a product that has DAA with a product containing Fenugreek and use Erase also?

Arent you using clomid too?

If you want to use aphrodisiac herbs, get perform.

If you want to increase testosterone levels quicker and improve your recovery, use DAA and Erase.
 
Arent you using clomid too?

If you want to use aphrodisiac herbs, get perform.

If you want to increase testosterone levels quicker and improve your recovery, use DAA and Erase.

Yes I am using clomid. I started out 60mg Nolva/200mg Clomid and I am now down to 40mg nolva/100mg clomid i did high doses for 2 weeks. Now, should I grab the DAA, Erase and HCGenerate just to be on the safe side? Also, I have a bottle of formestane could I also use that or will that disrupt HPTA?
 
Wow the athletix stack does really seem to have everything I need...what do you guys think? It seems like an all around potent combo. But are the MG levels high enough per serving??
 
crankywanker said:
Yes I am using clomid. I started out 60mg Nolva/200mg Clomid and I am now down to 40mg nolva/100mg clomid i did high doses for 2 weeks. Now, should I grab the DAA, Erase and HCGenerate just to be on the safe side? Also, I have a bottle of formestane could I also use that or will that disrupt HPTA?

Do people really stack both serms and at such high dose? I was always taught u just need one.
 
Do people really stack both serms and at such high dose? I was always taught u just need one.
I'm kind of from the old school of steroid use where we would always stack both because they did different things that I personally do not know what they are. I just know they are my bread and butter and I can't go forward with any PCT without.
 
I decided because of the sale at NP on the Athletix stack and because it contained most if not all of the components I needed to get back to normal I would order that triple combo stack. I think it will be a great benefit due to the different pathways that it restarts and cleans the system. I feel that I will be very successful with this!
Thank you/
CW
 
I decided because of the sale at NP on the Athletix stack and because it contained most if not all of the components I needed to get back to normal I would order that triple combo stack. I think it will be a great benefit due to the different pathways that it restarts and cleans the system. I feel that I will be very successful with this!
Thank you/
CW

I think you will be very happy with the Athletix Stack, be sure to let us know how it went :cheers:
 
Does anyone mind if I log it? My testosterone prior to this was 43 then I did my test cycle so I think that put me to 0 ng/dl post cycle. It's been over 4 weeks from my last injection. I'll have blood work after I'm done as well free to me since I have exceptional health care services.
 
One more thing will Formestane work into this at all bc I have a bottle.

If your running the SERM+Athletix stack, id add in Formestane 3 weeks in, start with 50mg a day, then when your off the SERM I'd bump it up to 100-150mg a day. Don't forget to taper off when your almost done using Formestane.

Anytime! I would love to see ya log it, be sure to let us know if you do :D
 
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