You should see a potentiated effect with multiple dosings.
HA! Well, I was involved in the introduction of agmatine to the market as well as the ORIGINAL Ultima and V2; however, I had NO PART in V3. That said...I can discuss some issue I had with Ultima from the beginning...choline was originally dosed too high and it would induce a "sleepy" effect (we remedied that come V2); the TYROSINES are actually GABA-ergic and the acetylated version is very susceptible to crossing the BBB, for which 750mg might as well be 10 grams. Couple this with agmatine's role on the alpha 2 receptor (pre-synaptic) in the CNS and you are in for a very lethargic feeling. It would be very hard for me to do justice in a short piece like this on the imidazoline receptor - but this too is impacted with alpha 2 agonist to create a very "slowed-down" effect. That's why it's wonderful with chronic opioid users.
You could also be seeing effects from the insulinomimetic action as well as the serotonin effect (albeit a lot less) just due to how low you're keeping your carbs. I mean, what you are describing is VERY atypical from agmatine users BUT may make a lot of sense in someone like you and the little I have learned through this thread.
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Damn I love your posts/replies so much is not even funny!
Soooo, what you describe is EXACTLY the kinda feeling, that slowed-down, sleepy effect, goddamn it was horrible (I mean, maybe if you wanna relax is ok, but PRE/DURINGWO? no thanks lol)
Man, now a LOT of things make sense to me... Quick resume: I use Lit-Up as my main prewo, i cycle it off every two tubs
usually ('cause the DAA and to keep my body to get used to it) I had two unopened tubs of Ultima which I was going to open after the above stack, to get off stims, and so I did.
Knowing that I couldn't take a full scoop of Ultima I added Pumpbol (beta ala nitrates, just saying in case some other interaction is going on here...) as main prewo and just took half (often less) scoop of Ultima 15 minutes later.
Since I added Ultima in the mix I started to have hard time starting the wo and while strength was there, my mind not so much,
I mean usually I'm a machine, mind-muscle connection and concentration are always there without me having to do nothing really.
Since Ultima I really had to force myself to stay alert and concentrated, I assumed it was because I was missing Lit-Up (even tho' never happened before..) but now that you tell me this: goddamn is Ultima causing this!!
My wild guess was somewhat right.. see?
Instinct (because being ignorant is all i got lol)
I'm so very sensitive to nootropics, some work on me some other just f@ck with my mind a lot. Lit-Up has a lil bit of DMAE which
gives me the perfect concentration, just enough, and aggression is still there 100%.
So it's settled: skipping the damn Ultima tomorrow (Legs day yay!)
dosing Agamatine tonight with my 2nd meal and tomorrow morning prewo and see how it goes.
As for carbs, my daily intake is MAX 30gr a day on workout days, traces-to-none the day before refeed (which is day off),
but I've been doing this for years and never got any problems with any sups because of it, not GDAs not anything..
Is totally Ultima, I could feel it in my guts..
BTW, I started to do the refeed as you suggested and it worked great, I still can't eat complex carbs but cereals worked
very well, while not the best choice is my only choice atm. Got both some sugary ones and rice krispies (6gr of sugar for 100gr of carbs) did a refeed (not big, i'm taking baby steps) and everything went good,
not bloating, no water retention the next day and actually looking better
you're my savior Doc!