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Suopplements I have tried over the past few years.

BBB

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Natural Test Boosters:
· Tropinol = Did absolutely nothing for me.
· Erase = May have lowered my estrogen I didn’thave any blood tests so I don’t know for sure. But I really didn’t notice any of the sides may people report from extremely low estro levels.
· Anabeta = Diuretic effect nothing else (Usedthree bottles).
· Triazole + Activate Xtreme = I felt like my test levels were a bit higher than normal. Slight increase in strength and more irritable than normal but no size increases.
· Diesel Test Hardcore = Good overall profile. I have used this product offand on for years. Supply dependability is very poor. I have had blood tests completed while on this product and it did raise my overall testosterone about30% above baseline while lowering my E2 levels as well. It also provides mild strength increases, however they seem to vary from day to day.
· Diesel Test Pro = Overall about the same as DTHC. I like the fact that it also includes DHEA, however the pregnenalone could be removed as far as I’m concerned.
· Three Kings Stack = I actually tried the “TKS”from Get Diesel. I had my annual physical at the end of this run. I was initially worried that my E2 would be elevated from the DHEA and pregnenalone, but to my surprise everything was with normal ranges. My testosterone was sightly increased but nothing significant. I believe that these products work great as PCT’s.
· DAA = I’ve tried two different brands of DAA. Both seem to work very well. After about two weeks I feel as though I’m ona mild PH cycle. Good strength increases, great mood, I tend to look much harder and more vascular. However, as much as I like this product I can’tuse it because it causes my pre-existing gyno to go nuts. I even stacked it with Formadrol XT
· Mass FX = Did nothing for me.
· PhytoTest = I actually misread the instructions on this product and double dosed. Even at double doses it did absolutely nothing for me.
· T-Bomb = Did nothing for me.
· T-Bol = Made me horny as a toad but no strength or mass increases.
· E-Bol = Great for improving sleep and speeding recovery. Otherwise nothing.
· Drive = Did nothing for me.
· ISA-Test = Did nothing for me.
· Supremacy = Nothing.
· Primal Male =Nothing.
· Prime = Worthless.
· Myodrol = Great foroverall health but did nothing for me as a test booster.
· Jungle Warfare = The originalformula worked great. The revisedformula sucks.
· Dermacrine = Made me breakout all over myshoulder with pimples. I believe that Ilooked much fuller but other than that not much else.
· Vita Test = I’m currently into my third week onthis product. I have noticed pimples on my shoulders and my overall mood is somewhat elevated. I look a little leaner than when I started,but the jury is still out on this product.
· Formestane = The best AI on the market andbacked by scientific studies on people.

As you can see I have been on a quest to find a natty testbooster that actually makes a difference. To date the only one that I can state has really helped are high levelsof DAA but then again there’s the problem with gyno, a least for me. I want to try stacking DAA with a proven AI,like formestane in the near future. I also have high hopes for Vita Test but only time will tell. I’m sure there are others I have tried but left from the list. I’m getting older and my memory is failing.

Fat Loss Products and Stimulants:

In this arena I have had much more luck.

· Ursobolic = Currently using this product and itseems to be working albeit very slowly. Alsoa heavy diuretic.
· Dexaprine = Great product. Good energy over an extended period of time. Only one cap needed and I amfairly insensitive to stims.
· Swagger = One of my favorite stims. Good gentle increase in energy with no crash.
· Wyked = To date my favorite preworkout stim. Tastes great.
· Ultima = To date my favorite non-stim preworkout drink. Great focus.
· Ragnorok = Good preworkout product with great taste and good profile.
· No-Explode = Works great initially but the effects wear off quickly.
· NO Shotgun = Same as NO-Explode.
· Super Pump 250 = Same as NO-Explode.
· Flashover = Just OK, nothing special.
· Lit-Up = Just OK as well.
· Hemavol = Good but too expensive.
· JP8 = One of the best preworkout products I have used but it tastes like desiccated horse urine. Makes me want to puke.
· C-Bol – Good for pumps.
· Pump Fix = Just OK, nothing special.
· Pump-O-Bol = Good for pumps.
· Hyper Pump = Just OK for pumps.
· GPLC Products = Good for pumps if taken in high enough doses. Very expensive and it doesn’t work for everyone.


 
Good comprehensive list. I am utterly shocked that you didn't like Primal Male, I LOVE that formula. Gotta agree with DAA and Dexaprine
 
Great info.What DAA products did you use?

TF-1 and Prometheus Rising. I usually like MAN products like Swagger, Body Octane and Game Day which I forgot to mention. I'm actually supprised that Primal Male didn't do more for me. Maybe I needed to take it longer. Most products I used for a month or more. DAA works a lot quicker. I noticed a difference within a couple of weeks.
 
Hey I like samples too ya know!

Well can you post a basic review on the products review section and store section? I can make the samples happen, send me your info via pm. :)


Like elementary school teachers used to say, "If you don't bring enough for everyone, don't bring it in at all!".

Haha, samples are for those who can give an honest review. I have had many people in the past not post a simple review when they received 4+ sample packets. T
 
have you tried taking B6 or L-Dopa with DAA? DAA can increase prolactin which would explain the gyno flairs
 
DAA also increases estrogen and lowers T/E values in many users. Dinoiii recommends a good AI while on short run DAA cycles.
 
T-Force/Erase rose my free test from 96 to 154.. Give it a look

Looks like a potentially good stack. Except I haven't seen any positive proof that erase actually lowers estrogen. But there are other good AI's on the market.
 
BBB said:
Looks like a potentially good stack. Except I haven't seen any positive proof that erase actually lowers estrogen. But there are other good AI's on the market.

Lol. I have bloodwork from that run... From a day before I started the stack and 34 days in.... ;)

If you want to see it let me know.
 
I'm glad your seeing some affects from VidaTest and hopefully you will continue to get even more out of it. How's your sleep been on it?
 
Sleep has been great but then again as I said I also take other things to help with sleep. I may drop the E-Bol and Valerian Root. I will keep melatonin for health reasons, and see how my sleep is without these other supps. I'm only two weeks in and so far I've noticed better than normal recovery. Even after a heavy volume workout I note very little soreness. As I said sleep has been great but I'm not sure how much to attribute to VT. I have also noticed slight strength increases on most exercises and increased energy throughout the day. No recomp to date. One other thing that concerns me, I’m not sure which, if any of the products in VT controls estrogen. I’m currently taking I3C for estro control. I would love to see blood tests with this product. There are a number of bloods tests on the old version of BioForge V2 but I’ve yet to see one on V3. I’m not sure how long this product can be taken a still remain effective. The body typically adjusts to exogenous products with a few weeks.
 
Natural Test Boosters:
...but no size increases...
...no strength or mass increases...

If you are not gaining size or mass, then simply put you are not eating enough. Test boosters are not magic pills that can make your body defy the laws of thermodynamics.
 
Ofcourse I can eat more, that’s not a problem. The problem is that most of the excess calories will be converted to fat unless anabolism is high. Even then much will be converted to fat. I have used roids in years past and was always able to gain significant weight on a maintenance diet. Steroids not only increase anabolism but they also increase protein synthesis.
 
BBB said:
Ofcourse I can eat more, that's not a problem. The problem is that most of the excess calories will be converted to fat unless anabolism is high. Even then much will be converted to fat. I have used roids in years past and was always able to gain significant weight on a maintenance diet. Steroids not only increase anabolism but they also increase protein synthesis.

I dont get the point you're trying to make. Test boosters wont be as effective as steroids?
 
The point I'm trying make is most aren't effective at all. You must raise your testosterone above a certain level before you will notice physical improvements. Most will not achieve this goal.
 
The point I'm trying make is most aren't effective at all. You must raise your testosterone above a certain level before you will notice physical improvements. Most will not achieve this goal.

I agree with this. Unless you are in a state of low to very low T.

And i lol'd at scuba steve telling you you dont know how to eat
 
If gaining muscle was as simple as eating more we could all look like Dorian Yates.
 
BBB said:
If gaining muscle was as simple as eating more we could all look like Dorian Yates.

Sorry about not getting my bloods up. School full time+work 25 hours a week leaves me slammed. On way to work now but ill throw them up tonight.. Like 630 my time(Arizona)
 
And i lol'd at scuba steve telling you you dont know how to eat

I merely stated a fact. If energy in is not greater than energy out, then no net mass will be added. Eating at maintenance and expecting a significant recomposition I think is really only a reasonable expectation while on anabolics. Outside of that, or genetic freaks, most people should expect to gain some fat if they want to gain a significant amount of lean mass. I've always understood supplements like test boosters to, theoretically, shift more of that mass added towards the lean mass side as opposed to fat.
 
Bloodwork has been posted. I covered all personal information up and my other test results.

The slight decrease in total test on the second one is because I got blood drawn @11AM versus 8AM.. Early in the morning is when test levels are highest...
 
Bloodwork has been posted. I covered all personal information up and my other test results.

The slight decrease in total test on the second one is because I got blood drawn @11AM versus 8AM.. Early in the morning is when test levels are highest...

Was that a 2 month run of Tforce/Erase?
Was that all you ran?
How did you dose?
 
koi1214 said:
Was that a 2 month run of Tforce/Erase?
Was that all you ran?
How did you dose?

I did the normal creatine, multi, protein...

I dosed 5 caps T-Force daily. I did 2 caps Erase daily.

I did 2 caps T-Force, 1 cap Erase in the AM like 8AM.

1 cap T-Force at Noon.

2 caps T-Force, 1 cap Erase PM.. The erase right before bed.

That was all I took...


36 day run btw
 
I did the normal creatine, multi, protein...

I dosed 5 caps T-Force daily. I did 2 caps Erase daily.

I did 2 caps T-Force, 1 cap Erase in the AM like 8AM.

1 cap T-Force at Noon.

2 caps T-Force, 1 cap Erase PM.. The erase right before bed.

That was all I took...


36 day run btw

DAMN, nice free test increase!!
 
i hear you with the pre-workouts. they can wear off. one of my top 3 is "Hemo Rage" taken 3-5 days a week. any more and your body is gonna get used to it.
 
Nice increase in free test but what about E2? I still haven't seen any evidence that Erase lowers E2.
 
BBB said:
Nice increase in free test but what about E2? I still haven't seen any evidence that Erase lowers E2.

The log was to see the increase in Free Test, not the result Erase would have on E2 sadly.

I personally want to run Erase @ 100mg a day but havent had the chance yet. Unless Natty wants to send me 2 bottles :D.


Of course i'd be on cissus and elastiflex..
 
Sorry about the lack of updates but I've been traveling quite a bit lately so my lifting schedule is a bit off. I still try to maintain a workout schedule by finding hotels with decent gyms but it's never quite the same. As far as VitaTest is concerned I have been dosing at 4 tabs first thing in the morning for about a month. I have also been using UA at 9 tabs/day for about six weeks. All-in-all I have seen little progress as far as my physique is concerned. I was about to scuttle the entire cycle when I climbed on the scales Saturday and viola, my weight has increased by 3.8 lbs and my waist is about 1/2"smaller. I also noticed significant strength increases in the gym. Now I have increased my dosage of UA to 12 tabs/day, but otherwise everything else is exactly the same. As I have said all along, I'm not sure how much to attribute to UA and how much to attribute to VT but as long as the stack is working I really don't care since both are beneficial from a health standpoint. I will continue this stack for another few weeks and report back.
 
Sorryabout the lack of updates but I've been traveling quite a bit lately so mylifting schedule is a bit off. I still try to maintain a workout schedule byfinding hotels with decent gyms but it's never quite the same. As far as VitaTestis concerned I have been dosing at 4 tabs first thing in the morning for abouta month. I have also been using UA at 9 tabs/day for about six weeks.All-in-all I have seen little progress as far as my physique is concerned. Iwas about to scuttle the entire cycle when I climbed on the scales Saturday andviola, my weight has increased by 3.8 lbs and my waist is about 1/2"smaller. I also noticed significant strength increases in the gym. Now I haveincreased my dosage of UA to 12 tabs/day, but otherwise everything else isexactly the same. As I have said all along, I'm not sure how much to attributeto UA and how much to attribute to VT but as long as the stack is working Ireally don't care since both are beneficial from a health standpoint. I willcontinue this stack for another few weeks and report back.

Thanks for the update!
 
A couple of other things I might add. My libido is ridiculously high, this undoubtedly due to the VT. I am also noticing a little lethargy, again probably due to the VT. I think I will add some DHEA to this stack to combat the lethargy.
 
BBB said:
A couple of other things I might add. My libido is ridiculously high, this undoubtedly due to the VT. I am also noticing a little lethargy, again probably due to the VT. I think I will add some DHEA to this stack to combat the lethargy.

Nothing in VT should make you lethargic....
 
Nothing in the UA should make lethargic either. I have used stims (preworkout) for years. I probably have a little adrenal fatigue. DHEA should remedy the situation.
 
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