Anyone here on BP meds?
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Streetbull
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Take before stims, to protect arterial walls from the increase stroke pressure due to the stims.
criticalbench
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I take 10mg Norvasc+25mg Atenolol. Works awesome for me, I really don't have high blood pressure, typical readings are 130/78 but then again, I'm 5`1 and 200lbs. My bp should be naturally higher. Cardiologist mainly has me on meds to prevent left ventricular hypertrophy rather than to actually treat the blood pressure.
Feel The Burn
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I take 25mg of Hydrochlorothiazide. My blood pressure readings before I started hoovered around mid to upper 130's /80's (Not terrible, but not great). I have not check it since I have been on it.
I usually take stims daily.
I usually take stims daily.
criticalbench
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hctz even at 12.5mg is a wonder drug and actually drastically alters the physique. I use it as needed, not everyday. When I do take it before bed, I wake up the next day much harder and drier with a leaner image.. obviously within reason before some 20% bf guy thinks it will make him ripped lol.
scoooter
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X2 linsinopril (10mg) for years, take first thing in the a.m.
I also take CoQ10 (100mg) + Hawthorn berry daily with it.
wo at noontime and have used stim products, just no need for me to use the full dose since I'm quite sensitive to them. The stuff with Yohimbine bothers me most so I stay clear of supp's that contain it.
some stim products I've used:
No shotgun V2 (can't do a full dose get too wired)
Purple wrath
Purple in train
M5
coffee
Bulk BA
AMS hyperTrop-X
Superpump250
Whacked
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AML
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Are you able to take prohormones/prosteroids while on the lisinopril?
criticalbench
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oufinny
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I am using this now as I am on cycle, first time I don't feel like crap with a constant headache, love it! And I can take stims as long as I don't go overboard with them. Coffee, a pre w/o with 200mgs of caffeine, all work just fine for me on it. Don't need it when I am off cycle though so can't say much for extended use. I will say I get mad sunburn while on this stuff if I am not careful.
criticalbench
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oufinny
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Thanks, I have a good doctor who doesn't agree with using hormones/anabolics but she would rather I be healthy and use them safely so she is understanding to that degree. Now if I asked her for clomiphene I doubt that would happen, I know my limits on what she will tolerate!
criticalbench
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My cardiologist is similar. He feels bodybuilders main problem is that they go to the doctor for treatment, but when it is to late, when they have symptoms. He believes in preventing, rather than treating. I currently take,
20mg Vasotec (Ace Inhibitor like lisinopril)
12.5mg Atenolol (Beta Blocker)
12.5 HCTZ (Diuretic)
All to prevent left ventricular hypertrophy.
Mike
Beast Sports
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Agreed with many others, lisinopril with monitored stim intake=good to go
oufinny
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If I keep my daily total caffeine under 500-600mg total throughout the day I see no issues at all. Even the warning in the literature that came with it from Walgreens states that stim usage is fine as long as it is not excessive (or something of the sort). It is good to know that it is effective after a day or so of use when on cycle and when cutting the additional stims really makes it so much less painful to control calorie intake.
criticalbench
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Your heart rate can still become elevated on an ace inhibitor. They do not block the impulse signals of the heart controlling your rate. Beta blockers, like atenolol on the other hand do which work great with stims. I can take ephedrine, clen, etc. and get the mental stimulation, without my resting heart rate going above 70, of when doing cardio, can't get my heart rate above 130 even with HITT training.
Mike
criticalbench
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oufinny
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I guess if that was a genetic issue I would too. Funny, my mother is a cardiac nurse and I have never once heard that mentioned as a concern in patients who are otherwise healthy; frankly I think I only ever heard it mentioned once or twice until this thread. Maybe I am missing something.
Steveoph
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Is that a year round regimen? Having someone on an Ace-I, Beta Blocker and Diuretic is pretty intense therapy. For the most serious hypertension, all we could do is add an ARB and up your dosages.
A lovely review of the heart in athletes can be found Invalid Link Removed, and a key paragraph
That's for non-steroid users. In the AAS population,
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and
Even with several years of AAS use, Invalid Link Removed. Length and dose of AAS were linked to severity.
Anyways, I'm sure you guys have also done your research. I think if you're not on AAS, it doesn't sound like the LVH is concerning enough to merit triple BP therapy. Heck, I am supposed to be studying peds right now, but if you have an article showing that
(Did a quick search, Invalid Link Removed only discusses pathologic HTN and not the effects of AAS or elite athletes.)
I guess the question is whether the effect AAS have on LVH (and NOT LV Dysfunction) can be antagonized by medications like ARBs,ACE-Is, Diuretics or Eblenerone that have been studied in reversal in LVH brought about by hypertension.
You've definitely sparked my passion for this kind of stuff
Love it
A lovely review of the heart in athletes can be found Invalid Link Removed, and a key paragraph
That's for non-steroid users. In the AAS population,
Invalid Link Removed
and
Even with several years of AAS use, Invalid Link Removed. Length and dose of AAS were linked to severity.
Anyways, I'm sure you guys have also done your research. I think if you're not on AAS, it doesn't sound like the LVH is concerning enough to merit triple BP therapy. Heck, I am supposed to be studying peds right now, but if you have an article showing that
(Did a quick search, Invalid Link Removed only discusses pathologic HTN and not the effects of AAS or elite athletes.)
I guess the question is whether the effect AAS have on LVH (and NOT LV Dysfunction) can be antagonized by medications like ARBs,ACE-Is, Diuretics or Eblenerone that have been studied in reversal in LVH brought about by hypertension.
You've definitely sparked my passion for this kind of stuff
Love it
oufinny
Well-known member
^^My thoughts exactly and thanks for posting that. I try to be on the least amount of prescription meds I can be on at any given time. Right now that is 3, I have asthma hence why there are two for that and one for BPl; and it used to be 4 alone for asthma! I am all about preventative maintenance, smart use of drugs like my doc giving me BP meds when it would be up for an extended period of time, but aggressive therapy when there is little risk I am never for (what options do you leave yourself with if something else comes up?). If your lifestyle changes alone and natural supplementation are not enough, then I say go the prescription route but only after all other options have been exhausted.
Conagher
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Interesting.I take clonidine which also has some physique altering effects.
criticalbench
Legend
Is that a year round regimen? Having someone on an Ace-I, Beta Blocker and Diuretic is pretty intense therapy. For the most serious hypertension, all we could do is add an ARB and up your dosages.
A lovely review of the heart in athletes can be found Invalid Link Removed, and a key paragraph
That's for non-steroid users. In the AAS population,
Invalid Link Removed
and
Even with several years of AAS use, Invalid Link Removed. Length and dose of AAS were linked to severity.
Anyways, I'm sure you guys have also done your research. I think if you're not on AAS, it doesn't sound like the LVH is concerning enough to merit triple BP therapy. Heck, I am supposed to be studying peds right now, but if you have an article showing that
(Did a quick search, Invalid Link Removed only discusses pathologic HTN and not the effects of AAS or elite athletes.)
I guess the question is whether the effect AAS have on LVH (and NOT LV Dysfunction) can be antagonized by medications like ARBs,ACE-Is, Diuretics or Eblenerone that have been studied in reversal in LVH brought about by hypertension.
You've definitely sparked my passion for this kind of stuff
Well for me, my dosages is very small off cycle, and increase on cycle. I was diagnosed, years ago with a slight degree of lvh which sparked all of this and that was before cycling. Since then, I have started this protocol, and reversed what was enlarged and increased my ejection fraction.
Mike
RenegadeRows
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emekajokammor
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I'm not on any scripts but i am a constent hypertension 1. I read some studies that showed olive leaf extract helps to lower BP as good as some meds. So i've been using that, i also take stims but i am far from stim sensitive.
criticalbench
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Emeka, have you considered celery seed extract? at 75mg twice a day, it has been shown to be very effective for BP control. Mimics a calcium channel blocker and mild diuretic. Hawthorn extract was help as well. Mike
emekajokammor
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wow, didn't know that. I'll definitely check it out. Trying to keep my BP in check naturally, my mom has been on BP meds for over an decade.
I was using the Hawthorn berry extract until i read about and researched the olive leaf extract. Will be giving the Celery seed extract a try tho, Thanks Mike!