so what's everyone eager for?!
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CDMMA
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CTDeuce
MST Reppin Hard!
lol dude you're gonna love it.Thank you...something for us Aussies...
And I thought the 4 caps a day did a sweet job!!! Boom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol now you gotta make a fuss with NP and get it in the statesWow, you guys worked quick on my cap -> powder idea
CDMMA
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lol now you gotta make a fuss with NP and get it in the states
Hahaha, why isn't it already here??! lol
And did you guys ever consider any of the following for Cordygen? You guys already got some rhodiola rosea, and gynostemma in there, but just curious about these.
I actually would like to touch on one of my previous thoughts. In regards to Cre-02, I would like to see a creatine formula that is mainly creatine, much like Carnage is mainly BA. Although Cre-02 is a solid formula, as I said, there are definitely some people that do not need the extras, and in that case, a blend of MCC and Tri-Creatine Orotate would be excellent. In fact, I could see all the extras in Cre-02 added to Carnage to form a new product.
Another product that I would like to touch on, is NitroCeps. Since a large point of the product is to increase NO, I feel arginine could be replaced with something better suited, since arginine does not increase endogenous NO production. This is yet another place that agmatine would work very well, two other options would be to include nitrates, or increase the citrulline (malate) content. The same could also be done with the arginine in RagNOrock as well
CTDeuce
MST Reppin Hard!
Hahaha, why isn't it already here??! lol
And did you guys ever consider any of the following for Cordygen? You guys already got some rhodiola rosea, and gynostemma in there, but just curious about these.
I actually would like to touch on one of my previous thoughts. In regards to Cre-02, I would like to see a creatine formula that is mainly creatine, much like Carnage is mainly BA. Although Cre-02 is a solid formula, as I said, there are definitely some people that do not need the extras, and in that case, a blend of MCC and Tri-Creatine Orotate would be excellent. In fact, I could see all the extras in Cre-02 added to Carnage to form a new product.
Another product that I would like to touch on, is NitroCeps. Since a large point of the product is to increase NO, I feel arginine could be replaced with something better suited, since arginine does not increase endogenous NO production. This is yet another place that agmatine would work very well, two other options would be to include nitrates, or increase the citrulline (malate) content. The same could also be done with the arginine in RagNOrock as well
You're talking to the wrong guy here...for 2 reasons. Firstly because Matt is the man of the formulation, so really I can make a suggestion here or there, but that buck stops with him. Secondly....I think you're wrong
. I personally wouldn't touch on Cre-02 at all. I understand that it's a creatine product that is not 100% creatine and that may cause problems for some people....but I don't think you truly understand how the other items in the product, doubled with the fact that it's enteric coated make it completely synergistic and also the enteric coating makes the smaller amount of creatine act as double-triple the amount because none of it is being deteriorated in your stomach like other products on the market.its the same thing for Nitroceps. While there could be better ingredients in the world for creating a pump, with the enteric coating on Nitroceps it gives it a 200% increase over any other arginine product on the market. If people say that an arginine product doesn't aid them in getting "pumped", it's probably because 70% of the ingredients were deteriorated in your stomach before they were absorbable. Also not to mention that MST uses a higher grade of ingredient than a good amount of the companies out there also. Im definitely not saying you're wrong about your feelings on agmatine, please don't think that. What i'm saying is for the type of product we have produced, to the type of market we've released it to, with the coating on it that makes it 100% absorbable, and with our top of the line cordyceps aiding the ingredients into your blood stream faster and safer by increasing the oxygen in your blood....it's the product we wanted, and it's the product we got
.I doubt you'll see a re-formulation of Nitro or Cre-02. However...who's to say you wont see a new creatine product or a new pump product. maybe try to push those angles over re-formulations and see what you come up with
Bnatural
AX Product Specialist
Bnatural
AX Product Specialist
CDMMA
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You're talking to the wrong guy here...for 2 reasons. Firstly because Matt is the man of the formulation, so really I can make a suggestion here or there, but that buck stops with him. Secondly....I think you're wrong
its the same thing for Nitroceps. While there could be better ingredients in the world for creating a pump, with the enteric coating on Nitroceps it gives it a 200% increase over any other arginine product on the market. If people say that an arginine product doesn't aid them in getting "pumped", it's probably because 70% of the ingredients were deteriorated in your stomach before they were absorbable. Also not to mention that MST uses a higher grade of ingredient than a good amount of the companies out there also. Im definitely not saying you're wrong about your feelings on agmatine, please don't think that. What i'm saying is for the type of product we have produced, to the type of market we've released it to, with the coating on it that makes it 100% absorbable, and with our top of the line cordyceps aiding the ingredients into your blood stream faster and safer by increasing the oxygen in your blood....it's the product we wanted, and it's the product we got
I doubt you'll see a re-formulation of Nitro or Cre-02. However...who's to say you wont see a new creatine product or a new pump product. maybe try to push those angles over re-formulations and see what you come up with
Where's Matt on these forums when you need him??!
(Just kidding, I'm sure he's a busy guy)And I should more or less reiterate what I meant about Cre-02, I wasn't suggesting a reformulation of Cre-02, just another product without the extras
However, with the NitroCeps, I was
I appreciate the time you took to write that response, and I will rest my case on a reformulation, but now I'll just push for another new product
Something that I've overlooked about you guys, is that all of your capped products are enteric coated, which is great. Just saiyan
must have bit my tongue, a package arrived at my door
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhweeeeeeeeeeeeet
lololol
I like how it got there so soon after you posted
And you're lucky, looks like your U(S)PS/FedEx gets there early, my packages usually get here anywhere from 5-7
CJ_Xfit89
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Well, while its cricket season in Australia and MST is AIS doping compliant with no banned substances for my use, cre-02 and c5 for an all day cricket oxygen stimulation. Boom! Maybe a shred here or there to help maintain focus under fatigue, but yeah,
Has a Cordygen been looked at being added to shred? All adaptogens are there, take out caffiene and replace with gluco or something stimulating but no like caffiene(tip of my tongue, but can't seem to say it).
Has a Cordygen been looked at being added to shred? All adaptogens are there, take out caffiene and replace with gluco or something stimulating but no like caffiene(tip of my tongue, but can't seem to say it).
Sourdough
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id like to see a Ceps and Ecdy product done by MST.... I thnk the quality factor MST holds to would mean they could prob provide a good sources and potent ecdysterone or the like product....
unless this is already out.... then i have some catchin up to do....
I liked the other mention of ArA cause there arent enough supps out there containing this ingredient but its cause B.L. wont license it out for a reasonable cost... I wonder how much it REALLY costs to manufacture (although I did just finish up a 50 day run of XFA and was fairly impressed i donth think its worth the dough)
unless this is already out.... then i have some catchin up to do....
I liked the other mention of ArA cause there arent enough supps out there containing this ingredient but its cause B.L. wont license it out for a reasonable cost... I wonder how much it REALLY costs to manufacture (although I did just finish up a 50 day run of XFA and was fairly impressed i donth think its worth the dough)
Bnatural
AX Product Specialist
You're talking to the wrong guy here...for 2 reasons. Firstly because Matt is the man of the formulation, so really I can make a suggestion here or there, but that buck stops with him. Secondly....I think you're wrong
its the same thing for Nitroceps. While there could be better ingredients in the world for creating a pump, with the enteric coating on Nitroceps it gives it a 200% increase over any other arginine product on the market. If people say that an arginine product doesn't aid them in getting "pumped", it's probably because 70% of the ingredients were deteriorated in your stomach before they were absorbable. Also not to mention that MST uses a higher grade of ingredient than a good amount of the companies out there also. Im definitely not saying you're wrong about your feelings on agmatine, please don't think that. What i'm saying is for the type of product we have produced, to the type of market we've released it to, with the coating on it that makes it 100% absorbable, and with our top of the line cordyceps aiding the ingredients into your blood stream faster and safer by increasing the oxygen in your blood....it's the product we wanted, and it's the product we got
I doubt you'll see a re-formulation of Nitro or Cre-02. However...who's to say you wont see a new creatine product or a new pump product. maybe try to push those angles over re-formulations and see what you come up with
glad i saw the post you responded to deuce.
ok, so better ingredients for a better formula, right?
Bare with me here. Imagine you are a chef in the kitchen, and you are cooking Italian. You have the experience to create the tastiest dish known to man. However, you are not cooking for an audience that focuses on taste but focuses a bit more on the price of the dish. You cannot use the highest quality ingredients in your dish because cost is of issue for your customers. You use what is promotes the best taste and texture for your customers and have to sacrifice what you know is best.
Exact translation into the supplement world. MST brings quality supplementation to the masses. Unfortunately, the masses hear from the masses and the game of telephone ruins everything. You want quality ingredients but are only willing to pay a buffet price. This does not work out and the products with the best ingredients wouldn't sell. Why? Because the cost associated does not allow for the best ingredients from each category.
If you look at each category though, MST does the best in obtaining the best ingredients that provide the desired effects.
Arginine. It may not increase the NO levels significantly in the body. There is no doubt that after some barbell curls for 8-15 reps, you get a solid pump.
We hit the nail on the head in every category, and providing what we can with what's allowable. If most people were willing to pay the extra for the best ingredients, you can be damn sure that it would be produced by MST. However, if MST used the best/priciest products were in each product, they would sit on the shelves for less effective products being used at higher doses.
CDMMA
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Whoa whoa whoa, now I feel like I'm getting ganged up on. (just playin'
)I don't know if I came off as if I was hating on MST/bashing MST's products, but I most certainly did not want to come off in that way. I've said it many times, and many times in this thread alone, MST is a great company, and produces solid, quality products. Don't think any of my posts were saying otherwise, I was, and am, simply giving my honest opinions, thoughts, and ideas.
It's good to see you guys defending your products (even though it wasn't my intention to attack them), products that you clearly believe in; as I said, I'm just stating my honest opinions, I did not mean to offend (if you are in fact offended). It seems as though my taste is quite an expensive one, and I understand your analogy; Matt is to the chef, as his company is to the kitchen, as his products are to the dish. It makes sense, and all I was saying, in this specific case, was that, in my opinion, agmatine, nitrates, or more citrulline, would be better suited in a NO increasing supplement, than arginine would. I understand that cost is certainly a factor, and it seems with those ingredients, comes more expense, and arginine seems to be the most economical, however, at the current dose of arginine (probably 2-2.5g), it could be replaced with about the same dose of citrulline for the same cost, or even x nitrates (at 2g) or agmatine (at 250-500mg) for a small premium, which I am sure many would be glad to pay. Again, I do not want to seem like I'm bashing MST, or even NitroCeps in specific, it's just that I (along with many others) am not fond of arginine, and think NitroCeps would be better off with something else in the place of arginine.
I don't want you guys, or anyone else for that matter, to feel like I'm picking on MST, as I am not. I will admit that I have been doing more picking at MST's formulas (although it's only really been NitroCeps [and only 1 ingredient for that matter]), than I have been commending them, but in reality, for like the 8th time, MST is a great company, with fantastic products. Hopefully I have not got off on the wrong foot with you guys, I'm just giving my .02 and trying to help out.
CTDeuce
MST Reppin Hard!
Whoa whoa whoa, now I feel like I'm getting ganged up on. (just playin'
I don't know if I came off as if I was hating on MST/bashing MST's products, but I most certainly did not want to come off in that way. I've said it many times, and many times in this thread alone, MST is a great company, and produces solid, quality products. Don't think any of my posts were saying otherwise, I was, and am, simply giving my honest opinions, thoughts, and ideas.
It's good to see you guys defending your products (even though it wasn't my intention to attack them), products that you clearly believe in; as I said, I'm just stating my honest opinions, I did not mean to offend (if you are in fact offended). It seems as though my taste is quite an expensive one, and I understand your analogy; Matt is to the chef, as his company is to the kitchen, as his products are to the dish. It makes sense, and all I was saying, in this specific case, was that, in my opinion, agmatine, nitrates, or more citrulline, would be better suited in a NO increasing supplement, than arginine would. I understand that cost is certainly a factor, and it seems with those ingredients, comes more expense, and arginine seems to be the most economical, however, at the current dose of arginine (probably 2-2.5g), it could be replaced with about the same dose of citrulline for the same cost, or even x nitrates (at 2g) or agmatine (at 250-500mg) for a small premium, which I am sure many would be glad to pay. Again, I do not want to seem like I'm bashing MST, or even NitroCeps in specific, it's just that I (along with many others) am not fond of arginine, and think NitroCeps would be better off with something else in the place of arginine.
I don't want you guys, or anyone else for that matter, to feel like I'm picking on MST, as I am not. I will admit that I have been doing more picking at MST's formulas (although it's only really been NitroCeps [and only 1 ingredient for that matter]), than I have been commending them, but in reality, for like the 8th time, MST is a great company, with fantastic products. Hopefully I have not got off on the wrong foot with you guys, I'm just giving my .02 and trying to help out.
No man, definitely not. This is a thread for suggestions and all you're doing is making some suggestions. We appreciate the feedback for sure, and I hope you don't feel like we're fighting with you either. Basically just trying to kind of explain why things are the way they are for the most part. If you took it as offensive then I will certainly be the first to apologize for that...that wasn't mine (and i'm sure it was Bnat's either) intention at all.
CDMMA
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Nah, I didn't take offense or any of the sort, just making sure I didn't come off in an offensive manner in a previous post. All is well then
CTDeuce
MST Reppin Hard!
There are already a few in the works that are really going to be serious! However, after this thread, we have plenty of ideas to bring to Matt and see what he thinks
ryanp81
Well-known member
I'm gonna chime in and I'm not a rep or do I at all get anything free from MST but Millennium's line is the only line that I've been using consistently for almost four years and it will continue, with the time frame that I've been using these products I have had the opportunity to talk to Matt on countless occasions in regards to his knowledge as well as his dedication for making the most potent as well as top quality/GMP products around. From my understanding Matt's background is in nutraceuticals / pharmacology of numerous aids such as adaptogens and the Blends of items like Rhodiola, Ginseng and Cordyceps that MST harvest and put in the the products spank the hell out of stuff like you find in the NOW brand or even Gaia Herbs....IMHO.
CDMMA
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That's a great idea for those who cannot swallow large pills, or really just pills in general. Although I do like the idea of a high dose of B, I'm not too sure about it, as it has the potential to keep some awake if they take the drink at night.
TMCCLUNG
Member
I tried to get my mom to take MVP but she can't do pills. I don't understand why. I only take ZMK and Somnidren before bed. I quite taking everything else. I need at least 3 hours of no eating or drinking. It works far better.
CJ_Xfit89
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the B-vitamins would be a nice smooth way to boost performance without stims. Caffiene free for 4 days now...definitely feeling the lethargy hahaha. Gotta get my liver and kidneys back on playing terms due to overusing stims/caffiene.
ultimate powder would be a MVP+athlytes with 500mg of cordyceps c5 blend with added r-ala in the MVP and added B Vitmains (especially methyl b12) to the taste of RPG... BOOOOOMMMM
ultimate powder would be a MVP+athlytes with 500mg of cordyceps c5 blend with added r-ala in the MVP and added B Vitmains (especially methyl b12) to the taste of RPG... BOOOOOMMMM
CDMMA
Member
Haha, I don't understand either, unless it's a medical condition. I can swallow a **** ton of large pills. No homo.
Dem dere adrenals.
CDMMA
Member
Can I has?
I'll re-up my idea of a stim-free energy supplement, containing PLCAR and/or ALCAR, glucuronolactone, DMAE, and mb12.
CDMMA
Member
As much as it pains me to say it, it would be nice to see a higher stim pre, for those who need more of a kick in the pants. Usually I would say a low dose of 1,3, but since that's being phased out, NMT could be it's replacement (sort of), seeing as it is quickly gaining ground. Alternatively, it would be even nicer to see a low-stim, or stim-free pre, that has ingredients that RagNOrock does not, allowing them to be coupled.
TMCCLUNG
Member
Not to question Matt's formula for ZMK because this guy knows what he's doing. Would vitamin b3 be a good addition to ZMK or Somnidren?
Why does everyone add so much vitamin A to the multi vites? I've read that the body stores vitamin A and it is hard to get rid of if you O.D.
I think Matt should write a book about everything he knows about supplements.
Why does everyone add so much vitamin A to the multi vites? I've read that the body stores vitamin A and it is hard to get rid of if you O.D.
I think Matt should write a book about everything he knows about supplements.
CJ_Xfit89
Board Sponsor
then everyone will have the upper hand because MST have the BOMB for endurance.
Bnatural
AX Product Specialist
vitamin A can be consumed in high(er) doses, and the RDA is fairly high for vitamin A
i don't mean consume 30,000iu's, but whats in a standard multi is sufficient.
what's in MVP is best :head:
monstermash
Well-known member
I really like the idea of a BubbaPunch flavored PLCAR/LCLT/ALCAR + QUALITY B vitamin complex (w/ High amounts of mB12). I would also like to add Na-R-ala and NAC to that as well . Really want this now.
. Really want this now.
ryanp81
Well-known member
The adaptogens in it do a pretty good job of preventing your adrenals from getting taxed out from the stims, positive adrenal function goes hand in hand with your personal optimal T levels ( so I was told ) the three blends of Ginseng give me a good boost in libido and it does have some Coleus in it as well which can give a slight increase in Test through CAMp ( nothing profound but still ) and I'm a huge fan of Coleus for many reasons...., vitamin b5 is crucial for sex hormones as well adrenal function.
I think my all time favorite combo was Shred Ultra with Cre02 for day to day stuff and just killing it in the gym....great and simple combo for when I needed that extra boost on duty and hitting the iron.
monstermash
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something to consider- Phosphatidyl Serine from sunflower lecithin. No soy=
Millennium 1
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Hey Fellas! Sorry haven't posted for a while! Come on, let me have it! I just wanted to drop in and let you guys know that we've been hard at work and some of your ideas in this thread are being addressed. I can't get into a ton of detail at the moment but, good things are coming.
The few beans I can spill are-
Cordygen5 is getting a delivery makeover. We are going to delayed release caps instead of the tablets. This change addresses nearly all of the issues I had with this product (excipients, artificial colors, ever increasing tablet size) while increasing the product's effectiveness on a dose to dose basis.
Protein is getting closer! We are taking an "all natural/no artificial" approach here.
NitroCeps will be getting a makeover.
While 90% of the products types that have been mentioned in this thread are on the menu (and have been for a long time) it is taking time to sort through them and give them that special MST touch. We do have some very basic products in the works as well as some special formulas so stay tuned.
Oh, I don't think this was addressed by anyone but, the Caffeine Free ROK has had DMAE and Glucuronolactone for about 2 years now. The Caffeinated ROK never had it in the first place.
Thanks for all of your support!
The few beans I can spill are-
Cordygen5 is getting a delivery makeover. We are going to delayed release caps instead of the tablets. This change addresses nearly all of the issues I had with this product (excipients, artificial colors, ever increasing tablet size) while increasing the product's effectiveness on a dose to dose basis.
Protein is getting closer! We are taking an "all natural/no artificial" approach here.
NitroCeps will be getting a makeover.
While 90% of the products types that have been mentioned in this thread are on the menu (and have been for a long time) it is taking time to sort through them and give them that special MST touch. We do have some very basic products in the works as well as some special formulas so stay tuned.
Oh, I don't think this was addressed by anyone but, the Caffeine Free ROK has had DMAE and Glucuronolactone for about 2 years now. The Caffeinated ROK never had it in the first place.
Thanks for all of your support!
CDMMA
Member
Hey Fellas! Sorry haven't posted for a while! Come on, let me have it! I just wanted to drop in and let you guys know that we've been hard at work and some of your ideas in this thread are being addressed. I can't get into a ton of detail at the moment but, good things are coming.
The few beans I can spill are-
Cordygen5 is getting a delivery makeover. We are going to delayed release caps instead of the tablets. This change addresses nearly all of the issues I had with this product (excipients, artificial colors, ever increasing tablet size) while increasing the product's effectiveness on a dose to dose basis.
Protein is getting closer! We are taking an "all natural/no artificial" approach here.
NitroCeps will be getting a makeover.
While 90% of the products types that have been mentioned in this thread are on the menu (and have been for a long time) it is taking time to sort through them and give them that special MST touch. We do have some very basic products in the works as well as some special formulas so stay tuned.
Oh, I don't think this was addressed by anyone but, the Caffeine Free ROK has had DMAE and Glucuronolactone for about 2 years now. The Caffeinated ROK never had it in the first place.
Thanks for all of your support!
O hai :wave:
Thumbs up to the updates, especially the protein announcement (wasn't announced before, right?
) and the NitroCeps makeover 
Very interested to see what's changed with NitroCeps, and curious what kind of protein is being used (wondering if you're sticking with whey with the price increases) and what flavors we're going to see
Thanks for clearing that ROK confusion up, I thought DMAE and glucuro was removed from both
I'm glad you had AM change the forum from Millennium Sports Tech, to Millennium Sport Tech, that always confused me lol
I also noticed the site update, saw that Glutamine 500 and MycoGreen Powder were added, and SD Ultra was removed from the "Coming Soon" tab
Millennium 1
Well-known member
The C5 will be changing. The formula will remain exactly the same only we'll be using a new delayed release veggie capsule instead of the hard pressed blue tablet. This will give us a uniform size (00) for every batch and allow us to remove the need for excessive excipeints typically required for tablet integrity. The DR-Cap will also provide the C5 blend more protection from stomach acid so less material is lost in digestion. It is a more effective product and a lot of people can probably get away with fewer than three caps when taking as a stond alone product.