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Is that just a random pic of sushi or did you have a sushi buffet today?
 
Yeah I've doses glycobol around 8-9am then 11-12 can't remember and I though that was a bit close.... But I only had a abnormal feeling one time. Maybe twice if I waited to long to eat.
It is kinda scary messing with this stiff sometimes not just g Bol but sups in general
 
IM wondering if my wacky work/sleep scheudle plays a role. Just finished my cardi and shake now headed to blast through quads and calves. Some trp detail work too. Then a short ab circuit and like a 10m walk.

Post workout: 30g waxy maize, 1sc AmeicanIso, 2sc RecoverPro...AND AN APPLE!

Im gonna dose glycobol again postworkout and see if I experience the same shakes.
 
OrganicShadow said:
IM wondering if my wacky work/sleep scheudle plays a role. Just finished my cardi and shake now headed to blast through quads and calves. Some trp detail work too. Then a short ab circuit and like a 10m walk.

Post workout: 30g waxy maize, 1sc AmeicanIso, 2sc RecoverPro...AND AN APPLE!

Im gonna dose glycobol again postworkout and see if I experience the same shakes.
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Yeah I got a swole stack coming soon. I hope it's beastly. I need to get a gym schedule down. I haven't been having an off, I've been having an off month
 
Im still in a stage of messing around with a few things before I really decide what my training and diet will be. Im meeting with an RD this week to talk about thing and gonna see what he/she suggest. I have an IFBB Ms. olympia candidate helping me tweak my training and go from there. But for now Im testing the waters on a few things and do things on my own.

Didnt' have the same jittery low blood sugar experience today. I think it had more to do with overnight shift work than anything. Although I still wouldn't suggest taking doses too close together. Spread them out for maximum efficiency and to not send your body into shock.
 
I love sushi. But to eat a full meal of it will run me 50 bucks. And i refuse to get it at a buffet - thats just shady.

So Sunday was quads and calves. I did my cardio and popped 2 glycobol. I know I havent been posting my workouts here, didnt see it entirely relevant but I do remember everything I did yesterday

Lunges 3x10 each leg w/ 25lb DB's to warm up
Leg extension: 50x10, 65x10, 77.5x8, 100x5
BB Squats: 135x10, 155x10, 185x10, 225x6, 235x4, 135x20
Leg Press: Kept my feet sumo style and just did continuous sets of 20 with 3 plates each side, 15s breaks. I think I did 6 sets? I was so carbed up I just wanted to keep pushing it.
Lying Calve Press: 3 sets of 20 with 2 plates on the leg press
Icarus Calve Press: 2 platesx10, 3platesx8, 3 platesx7, 4 platesx5
Standing single calve raise: 3 sets of 20

Streeeeetttccchhh: key to growth right there.

Toss back 2 more glycobol with a quick influx of waxy maize, 1 scoops AmericanIso, 2 scoops Recover Pro... and of course, an apple lol
Walked on the treadmill for 15m then went home

This time I was making eggs and didnt feel that apprehensive jitter and convulsion like Saturday. I think it had more to do with my lack of sleep.

In addition, earlier I had mentioned having a FOUL odor to my bowel movements and a strange green color. I since then added Gut Health probiotic into my regimen and havent had any issues like that.
 
There is a sushi buffett about 20 mins from where I live. It is around $30 for all you can eat sushi and shashimi and incredibly delicious!!!! They make this smoked salmon and avocado roll that is completely deep fried (whole roll is) and then drizzle some sauce on top and it is literally orgasmic! By far my favorite cheat meal :food:
 
JudoJosh said:
There is a sushi buffett about 20 mins from where I live. It is around $30 for all you can eat sushi and shashimi and incredibly delicious!!!! They make this smoked salmon and avocado roll that is completely deep fried (whole roll is) and then drizzle some sauce on top and it is literally orgasmic! By far my favorite cheat meal :food:
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OMG that sounds amazing. I think Im having some sushi this week ;)
 
So I met with a dietician today. I decided I wanted some professional schooling advice. Maybe shes no bodybuilder but with a PhD you must know something about how to grow. She revamped my diet to create something much more complete and sensible without loosing site of my more paleo nature.

Fasted cardio
4:30-4 eggs whites, peppers/onions, an apple
6:45-1c steel cut oats, 1 tbsp peanut butter
9:30-a banana, pear, nectarine, apple... some piece of fruit around 9:30 between breakfast and lunch
12:00-5oz fish, 1c vegetables, 1oz almonds
15:00-2oz fish, 1c quinoa, 1c vegetables
17:30-1/2c rolled oats, 1 banana
18:00-Kill Sh*t
(PWO)- BCAA's, an apple
20:30-5oz fish, 1c brown rice, 1c vegetables

Fish is white/lean fish: tilapia, whitefish, flounder...
But Im switching in Salmon/Halibut/Tuna on days I dont lift - the fish higher in fats
Vegetables are the green fiber guys: broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus, brusselsprouts, spinach...
Red meat 2x per week on the last meal.
Decrease carbs on days off.

Its a pretty even 2:1:1 carb:protein:fats
2200 Cal
50g fats
300g carbs
170g protein

The raw sodium is real low, like 453mg. I gotta add in more otherwise im gonna cramp like wow. Cholesterol is only 99mg, but the alternating red meat and fatty fish will balance that.

Hmm, I forgot to discuss lentils and legumes with her... Ill email her tomorrow.
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OrganicShadow said:
So I met with a dietician today. I decided I wanted some professional schooling advice. Maybe shes no bodybuilder but with a PhD you must know something about how to grow. She revamped my diet to create something much more complete and sensible without loosing site of my more paleo nature.

Fasted cardio
4:30-4 eggs whites, peppers/onions, an apple
6:45-1c steel cut oats, 1 tbsp peanut butter
9:30-a banana, pear, nectarine, apple... some piece of fruit around 9:30 between breakfast and lunch
12:00-5oz fish, 1c vegetables, 1oz almonds
15:00-2oz fish, 1c quinoa, 1c vegetables
17:30-1/2c rolled oats, 1 banana
18:00-Kill Sh*t
(PWO)- BCAA's, an apple
20:30-5oz fish, 1c brown rice, 1c vegetables

Fish is white/lean fish: tilapia, whitefish, flounder...
But Im switching in Salmon/Halibut/Tuna on days I dont lift - the fish higher in fats
Vegetables are the green fiber guys: broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus, brusselsprouts, spinach...
Red meat 2x per week on the last meal.
Decrease carbs on days off.

Its a pretty even 2:1:1 carb:protein:fats
2200 Cal
50g fats
300g carbs
170g protein

The raw sodium is real low, like 453mg. I gotta add in more otherwise im gonna cramp like wow. Cholesterol is only 99mg, but the alternating red meat and fatty fish will balance that.

Hmm, I forgot to discuss lentils and legumes with her... Ill email her tomorrow.
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Cool that she got cha together... How did u find her?
 
AaronJP1 said:
Cool that she got cha together... How did u find her?
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They're real big on Employee Health and Wellness where I work so its kind of just a service I can get as is. Earlier this year I had issues with a diet that was like 90% protein and I could feel my kidneys taking the hit so I decided this time Ill get some solid information. Set up an appointment, brought in a basic structure of how I was eating and how I decide what to eat and she made some adjustments based on my goals for clean bulk. She wanted to make sure I was getting enough carbs to support growth but keeping only good carbs. I dont like dairy so we opted out. Ill see her again in 3 weeks. Gotta start logging what I eat with detail.
 
:eek: 2:1:1, c/p/f. I could never get away with that. It sounds fun though as I usually crave carbs, lol.
 
I had some orange juice today. Looked at the carton and I didn't realize how man grams of carbs it has.
I never drink it that often cause if I drink too much it breaks my mouth out.

In about 13oz it's 190 calories and 45g carbs and 41g sugars.

Just thought I'd share. :)
 
stxnas said:
:eek: 2:1:1, c/p/f. I could never get away with that. It sounds fun though as I usually crave carbs, lol.
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I used to always aim for 1:1:1. Then I tried lop siding it to high protein, moderate fats, minimal carbs and hurt my kidneys. Ive always been told that in order to grow you need more carbs than protein, well I wanna get big. Also, normal "human" diets are like that too.

AaronJP1 said:
I had some orange juice today. Looked at the carton and I didn't realize how man grams of carbs it has.
I never drink it that often cause if I drink too much it breaks my mouth out.

In about 13oz it's 190 calories and 45g carbs and 41g sugars.

Just thought I'd share. :)
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Duuuuude, fruit juice is a scam. Its all processed sugars. No bueno.
 
One group says protein, the other group says carbs....
 
Dieticians are usually idiots from my experience (I work in a hospital). Their main problem is they recommend based off the USDA guidelines.

Also to add, realtively high protein intake has NEVER been clinically shown to damage already healthy functioning kidneys. If anything excessive carb intake is what damages your kidneys. The link that it is protein is based upon the fact protein is found in the urine of individuals with kidney problems but this is due to the glucose not the protein, the protein link is the effect not the cause.
 
I'm borderline Type II diabetic and just don't process carbs well. I do better with something like a 40/40/20 p/c/f or even a little more protein heavy.
 
stxnas said:
I'm borderline Type II diabetic and just don't process carbs well. I do better with something like a 40/40/20 p/c/f or even a little more protein heavy.
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40/40/20 (p/f/c) is where I typically am at
 
I try to be there, but I have a tendency to crave carbs...
 
stxnas said:
I try to be there, but I have a tendency to crave carbs...
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I love carbs... Pasta, breads, potatos....
I have to admit I get the wrong kind sometimes.
 
JudoJosh said:
Dieticians are usually idiots from my experience (I work in a hospital). Their main problem is they recommend based off the USDA guidelines.

Also to add, realtively high protein intake has NEVER been clinically shown to damage already healthy functioning kidneys. If anything excessive carb intake is what damages your kidneys. The link that it is protein is based upon the fact protein is found in the urine of individuals with kidney problems but this is due to the glucose not the protein, the protein link is the effect not the cause.
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There's different schools of thought. It sounds like shes trying to put me in on an average person "well-balanced" diet. I started making my own minor modifications. She had me at round about 150g protein, which means Im under 1g/lb body weight? That doesn't make sense. I wanted an opinion and I got one. I'll try it out but I have a feeling Im gonna end up redesigning this whole thing again in about 2 weeks using biochemistry, not the USDA.

Thats tough stxnas. For a little while I thought I was something like that but it turned out I was more hypoglycemic. I generally run very low.
 
I'm not going to put this as brand new thread, but I'll ask here for thoughts.

Talking to a guy in the gym around my weight a bit shorter & he's pretty jacked.

Anyhow he says he doesn't neccessiarly get his body weight in protein but he does consume a 4:1:1 BCAAs in the AM and around work out times and he has been ok with that...
What's your thoughts? Figure most here are a big more knowledgeable considering I'm more new and have beginners growth....
 
Ummm, I have a thought process going on but Id rather leave it to someone else more knowledgeable to give a solid answer on that. It seems to be a plausible occurance.
 
I'm thinking bcaas are the magic.

I think if you get .8g/lb and get around 20-30g bcaa to make it to the level you need.

But with that said a lot of the carbs we eat are gut irritants or not really nutrient dense.

Fruits have there fructose so it can be a problem if all you ate were 300g in bananas.
 
stxnas said:
I'm borderline Type II diabetic and just don't process carbs well. I do better with something like a 40/40/20 p/c/f or even a little more protein heavy.
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Significantly dropping your carb intake should gave a positive effect on your type II diabetes, especially help improve your insulin sensitivity. I cam imagine glycobol being a real asset to you ;)

Give the book "Protein Power" by Dr Eades a read sometime.

stxnas said:
I try to be there, but I have a tendency to crave carbs...
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It isn't that bad as long as you dont over do the carbs. I find, for me at least, once I start eating more carbs I have a tendency to over eat calories for the day and my weight becomes harder to manage and keep under control. The 20% carbs are usually comprised of potatoes with one or two meals and two servings of fruit during the day. Rest of the day it's veggies, protein and fats.

OrganicShadow said:
There's different schools of thought. It sounds like shes trying to put me in on an average person "well-balanced" diet. I started making my own minor modifications. She had me at round about 150g protein, which means Im under 1g/lb body weight? That doesn't make sense. I wanted an opinion and I got one. I'll try it out but I have a feeling Im gonna end up redesigning this whole thing again in about 2 weeks using biochemistry, not the USDA.

Thats tough stxnas. For a little while I thought I was something like that but it turned out I was more hypoglycemic. I generally run very low.
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Sorry if I rambled on too much in my post bud :D but the whole protein damages your kidneys and protein is bad for you nonsense is a little pet peeve of mine. Countless times throughout my average day at work I would hear that I eat too much protein from all sorts of people, from doctors to nurses to dieticians to etc. That along with I eat too much red meat or eggs and I need to eat whole grains and bla bla bla. It gets rather annoying after a while.

Technically your body only needs around .6 to .8g/lb of protein per pound of body weight for daily usage, even for a person with heavy activity. Remember that a pound of lean muscle only has around 160g of protein in it. Even if you are gaining a pound of true muscle a week thats only 23g extra of protein a day necessary to synthesize it. Really all calories beyond that are used solely for energy to power all the different living processes. Our body requires about 200g glucose for energy (CNS, red blood cells, etc) For someone eating extremely low carb, say 30g carbs, than a 170g deficit has to be made up. You can say maybe around 30g of that glucose can be obtained from the glycerol from stored and dietary fat than that still leaves 140g in the hole. This 140g can be obtained from protein (either dietary sources or muscle but who here wants to loose muscle?) or dietary carbs. If one is limiting their carb intake, here is where an excess protein consumption will be very beneficial especially since not all aminos convert in a 1 to 1 fashion from protein to glucose.

To me protein and fat is what is NEEDED (i.e essential) carbs such as fruit, potatoes, rice etc are more of a luxury and are to be used sparingly depending on your goals. This goes back to the paleo beliefs of eating nutrient dense food such as veggies vs a bowl of oatmeal which has gluten present, contains high levels of lectins and phytic acid (which can cause intestinal imbalances and block the absorption of nutrients), are also high in omega 6s and cause many people to have high insulin then say if I were to fill the rest of their calories from eggs, veggies or steaks. I am relatively low carb so I eat way more than .8g per lbm and that protein can not only be useful for me but IS needed and has no negative downfalls to it. I can completely see how someone who is consuming 500g carbs AND 400g protein will have some issues but to say high protein is bad for you is just silly (unless you are talking extremely high)









Sorry if I rambled on again, hope you don't mind :D
 
Ive been experimenting with the zone diet. 40/30/30
 
JudoJosh said:
Sorry if I rambled on again, hope you don't mind :D
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Not at all. I know what youre getting at and I know what youre saying. I studied/work in urinalysis so the function and pathological states of the kidneys are no strange concept to me. At the time, my diet was causing too much stress on the glomerulus to filter out a lot of things I was taking. Im not blaming high protein diet, it may just have been a contributor.

I took three days of this diet and said F^ck this. Im starving when i get hungry an hour later, i feel deprived, my lifts the last couple days sucked, a LOST weight.

There's a couple ideas that i'll take from it but Im ultimately going back to my 1:1:1.

I have one more day left with Glycobol and a leg lift tomorrow. I'll be posting final thoughts soon.
And tomorrows football... which means ill probably be replenishing glycogen stores with this:
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Josh - I can think of a few topics we might as well just start a rambling thread about. lol
 
Yeah so if your cutting back carbs and maintaining a certain amount of calories then your going to get more protein...
It's truth.

I'm takin in more carbs that's probably why I'm not exceeding my bodyweight in protein :)
 
Im around 200g protein. 200g carbs and 70g fats.
The diet comes out a bit above 2300. I still think thats not enough.

I try to replace calorie deficits from carbs with fats, some protein
 
OrganicShadow said:
Im around 200g protein. 200g carbs and 70g fats.
The diet comes out a bit above 2300. I still think thats not enough.

I try to replace calorie deficits from carbs with fats, some protein
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U should be good... lol
I'm about 250g carbs 180g protein and 80g fats roughly.
 
OrganicShadow said:
Not at all. I know what youre getting at and I know what youre saying. I studied/work in urinalysis so the function and pathological states of the kidneys are no strange concept to me. At the time, my diet was causing too much stress on the glomerulus to filter out a lot of things I was taking. Im not blaming high protein diet, it may just have been a contributor.
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I dont think there has really been a study done that shows a link between protein and kidney damage. I believe IIRC most of it is done on speculation of the protein leaking into the urine via the kidney and assume the protein damanged the kidneys but I remember reading a paper that showed that it isnt the protein that damages the kidney but the elevated glucose that causes the damage, the protein leak is the effect.


EDIT* I found 2 of the papers I was referencing here ->

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OrganicShadow said:
I have one more day left with Glycobol and a leg lift tomorrow. I'll be posting final thoughts soon.
And tomorrows football... which means ill probably be replenishing glycogen stores with this:
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Josh - I can think of a few topics we might as well just start a rambling thread about. lol
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Hot wings and fried plantains are on the menu for me for football tomorrow.. GO GIANTS! :D

As for the thread on rambling... I have a app nut log which is pretty much the ramblings of a mad man (me) ;)
 
Wheres the link my man?!?!?

Mmmmmm. fried Plantains.
 
mattrag said:
I'm thinking bcaas are the magic.

I think if you get .8g/lb and get around 20-30g bcaa to make it to the level you need.

But with that said a lot of the carbs we eat are gut irritants or not really nutrient dense.

Fruits have there fructose so it can be a problem if all you ate were 300g in bananas.
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Gotcha.
What are your thoughts on a 8:1:1 vs 4:1:1?
 
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