meeting a high-level trainer

nonidentity

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I want to make as much of my life as I possibly can, and I've been thinking about traveling to try and meet some of these elite bodybuilding trainers, I know that the knowledge I could attain would be priceless "and don't worry, i'd pass the info on to you guys ;)".

my question is, how much would it cost to meet these guys? the biggest thing to meet would be diet strategy, and cycle strategy if possible. I did my best to design a good diet but I think someone like that could make it much better.

so does anyone know a price range? are we talking 20 dollars for a personalized diet? 200 dollars? or 2,000 dollars? I would be willing to move, if it could give me even a small chance at making a name for myself.

" PS. I didn't know which section this belonged in"
 
Not worth it. You can learn everything you need to know from the library and the internet for free. Seriously. It's all about the amount of passion you put into it.
 
owlicks said:
Not worth it. You can learn everything you need to know from the library and the internet for free. Seriously. It's all about the amount of passion you put into it.
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I disagree. Just because the knowledge is out there doesn't mean it isn't worth learning it faster. I learn things from hands on courses much faster than I would sitting and reading a book. Keep in mind that some things can't be taught effectively in a book as well, especially when it comes to exercise.

I paid to train with Eric Cressey over the internet a few years ago. I won't quote his price as it has probably changed since then. It was between $200 and $300 per month.

Charles Poliquin is $1000 for a one hour phone consultation.

That is all I know off hand.
 
diet strategies are well documented, but hard to match with your bodytype ie. there's almost no information for 'skinny fat' people and you're left mixing and matching information and spending years to see what's most effective.
as far as cycle strategy.. there's almost no information as to what the elite lvl people are doing, we can chat on here and guess, but I would assume we are years behind them.
 
bdcc said:
I disagree. Just because the knowledge is out there doesn't mean it isn't worth learning it faster. I learn things from hands on courses much faster than I would sitting and reading a book. Keep in mind that some things can't be taught effectively in a book as well, especially when it comes to exercise.

I paid to train with Eric Cressey over the internet a few years ago. I won't quote his price as it has probably changed since then. It was between $200 and $300 per month.

Charles Poliquin is $1000 for a one hour phone consultation.

That is all I know off hand.
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Well I suppose I am a bit skewed in my opinion on this. Of course consulting a trainer can be incredibly useful, but traveling the world to see celebrity trainers like the OP suggested? I think that is more than a little obnoxious. In any decent sized city, there are surely some reputable trainers that would be just as helpful but wouldn't have the premium celebrity fee attached. The tone of the original post just made it sound like there is some magic pill for training advice, which I'll assure you there is not.
 
You don't have to assure me of anything, I am under no illusion there is a magic pill.

Saying he can learn everything from books is just not true. You can read about powerlifting in a book or you can train at Westside Barbell. Definitely not the same thing. :)
 
owlicks said:
Well I suppose I am a bit skewed in my opinion on this. Of course consulting a trainer can be incredibly useful, but traveling the world to see celebrity trainers like the OP suggested? I think that is more than a little obnoxious. In any decent sized city, there are surely some reputable trainers that would be just as helpful but wouldn't have the premium celebrity fee attached. The tone of the original post just made it sound like there is some magic pill for training advice, which I'll assure you there is not.
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I forgot to say that I'm in the US now, and will most definitely come back in the future. I just didn't update my stats, sorry about that.
I can drive to where Flex Lewis trains without too much trouble "2.5 hour drive from my parent's house, 30minutes from my grandma's house" and I met him at his Flex Lewis Classic. I wonder if he does any training, or nutritional advice.. I went to his site but I didn't see anything that specifically mentioned that. I don't think it's worth getting into details, but I've come into some money recently and while I don't want to be reckless I think finding a great trainer would be a worthy investment.
 
im a trainer... what do you want to know?


90% of being a trainer, is convincing people you are worth their money.... the other 10% is knowledge


use google... stay in the gym... try different diets, and training styles.... find what works for you, and when that stops, change it..... dont pay someone a crazy amount of money if you dont need to ( unless youre paying me !!)
 
bdcc said:
I disagree. Just because the knowledge is out there doesn't mean it isn't worth learning it faster. I learn things from hands on courses much faster than I would sitting and reading a book. Keep in mind that some things can't be taught effectively in a book as well, especially when it comes to exercise.

I paid to train with Eric Cressey over the internet a few years ago. I won't quote his price as it has probably changed since then. It was between $200 and $300 per month.

Charles Poliquin is $1000 for a one hour phone consultation.

That is all I know off hand.
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How was cressey?
 
Cressey was about 3-4 years ago for me. As a trainer I saw value in learning from someone who has accomplished more than me in that field.

For someone that has a high enough base knowledge to challenge and ask questions the internet programme just doesn't make sense. I wanted to learn and when I got sent a programme if anything looked out of place for me I wanted to ask. It isn't conducive for him to do so with internet training.

After the first month I decided not to continue. He was thorough in his assessment systems but his programme wasn't anything I wouldn't have written myself.
 
swollen87 said:
im a trainer... what do you want to know?


90% of being a trainer, is convincing people you are worth their money.... the other 10% is knowledge


use google... stay in the gym... try different diets, and training styles.... find what works for you, and when that stops, change it..... dont pay someone a crazy amount of money if you dont need to ( unless youre paying me !!)
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you're right, after seeing my younger brother get ripped off by a trainer I really don't trust most people. the guy he paid was hitting the juice, owned a gym AND STILL weighed less than 130lbs I would guess. a total C*NT. he acted like he had been taught his skills from God himself. I went to him one time and showed him my diet and asked him to critique it "when I was a beginner" and he said "Proteins the only thing that's important, eat 1g of protein for every lbs of body weight and you'll become a bodybuilder". I was a beginner but I still knew that all the macros and their ratios, as well as quality of food, and frequency we're all vital.
My brother knew a lot less than I did and wasn't aware of getting ripped off. He was living in the US and I wasn't so a lot of money was spent before I could point him in the right direction.

You may be a good trainer, I don't know. but I have some extra money right now and want to do all I can to make a name for myself.

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On a side note, does anyone know how people like Evan Centopanni who live waaaay far away from any other bodybuilders learn the most efficient ways of cycling? I'm really curious who they learned from. not saying cycling is the most important thing, but I'm very much a beginner in that field.
 
nonidentity said:
You may be a good trainer, I don't know. but I have some extra money right now and want to do all I can to make a name for myself.

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understandable, what are your goals? size? strength? fatloss?

there are plenty of e books out and various programs and diets to try, all a trainer will do is either create a personalized routine for you, or be there to keep you accountable


understandable
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It's worth it if you're a competitive bodybuilder or trying to become a better trainer. If you are training for aesthetic or health purposes then you don't need that service IMO.

Some of the knowledge by "gurus" is basic knowledge to most of us, the only difference is they are very skilled at using scientific terminology, which is impressive to a newbie.
 
That is not a guru, that is a salesman.
 
swollen87 said:
nonidentity said:
You may be a good trainer, I don't know. but I have some extra money right now and want to do all I can to make a name for myself.

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understandable, what are your goals? size? strength? fatloss?

there are plenty of e books out and various programs and diets to try, all a trainer will do is either create a personalized routine for you, or be there to keep you accountable


understandable
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well right now I'm about 225 lbs in the morning completely empty at about 15% bodyfat. I'm only 6' and have about 15% BF "I'm guessing, can still see the outlines of my abs if I pull down on my skin, but mostly a flat looking stomach". I have huge bones, huge joints, and a HUGE ribcage that make's me look like a fire hydrant. even when I diet down I don't look muscular because my frame isn't filled out, and my old training partner with small bones, same height "Japanese" had muscles popping out everywhere at around 180lbs. when I diet down I reach a point where I start losing muscle, and can't lose anymore fat "I've only dieted as a natty though".
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I think it all depends on the person. I've read tons of stuff, but have gotten so much more out of actually training with gurus. Little things they can show you make all the difference in the world.
 
bdcc said:
I disagree. Just because the knowledge is out there doesn't mean it isn't worth learning it faster. I learn things from hands on courses much faster than I would sitting and reading a book. Keep in mind that some things can't be taught effectively in a book as well, especially when it comes to exercise.

I paid to train with Eric Cressey over the internet a few years ago. I won't quote his price as it has probably changed since then. It was between $200 and $300 per month.

Charles Poliquin is $1000 for a one hour phone consultation.

That is all I know off hand.
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from what I recall, poliquin for a year's worth was $18,000-24,000 not including blood tests or travel costs for him to do I think it was 1 hour long session in person every 2 or 3 months.
 
EasyEJL said:
from what I recall, poliquin for a year's worth was $18,000-24,000 not including blood tests or travel costs for him to do I think it was 1 hour long session in person every 2 or 3 months.
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How do you know this? I was under the impression prices were only divulged if you discussed it in person. You must know someone on the inside! ;)
 
EasyEJL said:
from what I recall, poliquin for a year's worth was $18,000-24,000 not including blood tests or travel costs for him to do I think it was 1 hour long session in person every 2 or 3 months.
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That would come out to be around $5000 per hour session. Where did you hear this?
 
It might also cover costs of training at the facility and potentially working with some of his trainers between his sessions.
 
nonidentity said:
That would come out to be around $5000 per hour session. Where did you hear this?
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I guess I wasn't clear. he still does monthly diet and workout plans for you for that, and consults via email as well. All the diet planning is precise and personal based on blood tests
 
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