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OrganicShadow's GlycoBALLIN! (AI Sponsored)

Ive been really good on my cravings lately! Im not drooling over pasta like I thought I would be. Not saying they aren't there - IM still walkiing down 1st Ave saying "And im gonna eat there, and there, and there..." things like this.
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Thats all I want. Wings and a Sam Adams Octoberfest... its football season!!!

Im not carb craver, i like creamy/buttery stuff. So where has glycobol played into things lately? Well my diet these last few days is strictly flounder and spinach. I wont be doing a huge carb load this show so Im utilizing it in 2 places:
1) 1/4c oatmeal Saturday morning
2) "Cheat" meal before prejudging

All week, while training, I would take it right after my workout with BCAAs then hit a late dinner before bed. Did wonders for keeping me alive the next day. I have a sample pack of 3Z for tonight as I usually have difficulty sleeping the night before. I had 3 coats of Protan done yesterday, gonna do 2 more tonight.

On a side note: one negative effect Im suspecting of Glycobol is my digestive track. Sems like when i bumped up to 2 doses/day I started getting a bit more gassy and man, its potent. Bowel movements have been looser than usual... at times its uncomfortable. I wanted to pin it to diet but it hasnt changed in weeks. Anyone else ever notice this? Im not bloated, but i feel my gut movin a lot.
 
How is your dosing schedule of the product?
 
2 in the morning 1/2hr before breakfast with carbs. 2 in the evening about 1/2hr before bed with 2 scoops BCAA's upon lying down
 
OrganicShadow said:
2 in the morning 1/2hr before breakfast with carbs. 2 in the evening about 1/2hr before bed with 2 scoops BCAA's upon lying down
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Maybe I can gain some knowledge. Just curious as to what the glyco does with the amino acids at night?

Correct me if I'm wrong thought it helps use your carbs for energy instead of fat and to help nutrients to the muscle. Just trying to learn.

Also I wonder how this interacts with simple/fast carbs?
 
AaronJP1 said:
Maybe I can gain some knowledge. Just curious as to what the glyco does with the amino acids at night?

Correct me if I'm wrong thought it helps use your carbs for energy instead of fat and to help nutrients to the muscle. Just trying to learn.

Also I wonder how this interacts with simple/fast carbs?
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helps boost GH levels.
 
AaronJP1 said:
And with out BCAA?
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Eh.. the idea of taking Glycobol for a sleep aid without some kind of BCAA/meal wouldnt serve much purpose. The whole idea was to get my muscle tissue further ramped up for a refeed such and a meal or quick hit of BCAA's from a late workout to fuel overnight recovery.
 
OrganicShadow said:
Eh.. the idea of taking Glycobol for a sleep aid without some kind of BCAA/meal wouldnt serve much purpose. The whole idea was to get my muscle tissue further ramped up for a refeed such and a meal or quick hit of BCAA's from a late workout to fuel overnight recovery.
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Yeah bad question on my part as it is a nutrient partioniner. I was just trying to see of the benefit w/o food I was thinking what's ONLY BCAA going to do.
 
AaronJP1 said:
And with out BCAA?
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I dont see why not but the addittion of the aminos makes for a much better recovery protocol IMO, but soley on he GH boosting aspect, it will prolly work without the aminos

Evidence for an Inhibitory Effect of Physiological Levels of Insulin on the Growth Hormone (GH) Response to GH-Releasing Hormone in Healthy Subjects
R. Lanzi, M. F. Manzoni, A. C. Andreotti, M. E. Malighetti, E. Bianchi, L. Piceni Sereni, A. Caumo, L. Luzi and A. E. Pontiroli

Istituto Scientifico San Raffaele, Cattedra di Medicina Interna (R.L., M.F.M., A.C.A., M.E.M., E.B., L.P.S., L.L., A.E.P.); Unità di Bioingegneria (A.C.), Università degli Studi di Milano, 20132 Milan, Italy

Address all correspondence and requests for reprints to: Roberto Lanzi, M.D., Istituto Scientifico San Raffaele, Via Olgettina 60, 20132 Milano, Italy.


Abstract

It has been previously reported that in healthy subjects, the acute reduction of free fatty acids (FFA) levels by acipimox enhances the GH response to GHRH. In the present study, the GH response to GHRH was evaluated during acute blockade of lipolysis obtained either by acipimox or by insulin at different infusion rates. Six healthy subjects (four men and two women, 25.8 ± 1.9 yrs old, mean ± SE) underwent three GHRH tests (50 µg iv, at 1300 h) during: 1) iv 0.9% NaCl infusion (1200–1500 h) after oral acipimox administration (250 mg) at 0700 h and at 1100 h; 2) 0.1 mU·kg-1·min-1 euglycemic insulin clamp (1200–1500 h) after oral acipimox administration (250 mg at 0700 h and at 1100 h); 3) 0.4 mU·kg-1·min-1 euglycemic insulin clamp (1200–1500 h) after oral placebo administration (at 0700 and 1100 h).

Serum insulin (immunoreactive insulin) levels were significantly different in the three tests (12 ± 2, 100 ± 10, 194 ± 19 pmol/L, P < 0.05), plasma FFA were low and similar (0.04 ± 0.003, 0.02 ± 0.005, 0.02 ± 0.003, not significant), and the GH response to GHRH was progressively lower (4871 ± 1286, 2414 ± 626, 1076 ± 207 µg/L·120 min), although only test 3 was significantly different from test 1 (P < 0.05). Pooling the three tests together, a significant negative regression was observed between mean serum immunoreactive insulin levels and the GH response to GHRH (r = -0.629, P < 0.01).

Our results indicate that in healthy subjects, acipimox and hyperinsulinemia produce a similar decrease in FFA levels and that at similar low FFA, the GH response to GHRH is lower during insulin infusion than after acipimox. These data suggest that insulin exerts a negative effect on GH release. Because the insulin levels able to reduce the GH response to GHRH are commonly observed during the day, for instance during the postprandial period, we conclude that the insulin negative effect on GH release may have physiological relevance
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It seems that insulin induced hypoglycemia helps to elevate Growth Hormone BUT at the same time insulin itself can suppresses GH. Growth Hormone is released from the pituitary in response to the GHRH (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone) signal from the hypothalamus and insulin prevents this. On the other hand that GH released in response to low blood sugar is not controlled by GHRH, but by something else. (leptin, Ghrelin, or galanin) So while insulin does suppress Growth Hormone release (GHRH), hypoglycemia will stimulate a Ghrelin induced GH release. So when low blood sugar is induced by something other than insulin, in this case the NaR-ala in Glycobol I would suspect, it would give an even bigger spike than with insulin because there is no inhibitory effect.

But again per Dr. D he had recomeneded the combo of Deep sleep + low blood sugar + hyperaminoacidemia. Will it work without the aminos? Maybe.. you can prolly even get by with a scoop of whey or some casein instead of straight BCAAs even.
 
JudoJosh said:
I dont see why not but the addittion of the aminos makes for a much better recovery protocol IMO, but soley on he GH boosting aspect, it will prolly work without the aminos



It seems that insulin induced hypoglycemia helps to elevate Growth Hormone BUT at the same time insulin itself can suppresses GH. Growth Hormone is released from the pituitary in response to the GHRH (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone) signal from the hypothalamus and insulin prevents this. On the other hand that GH released in response to low blood sugar is not controlled by GHRH, but by something else. (leptin, Ghrelin, or galanin) So while insulin does suppress Growth Hormone release (GHRH), hypoglycemia will stimulate a Ghrelin induced GH release. So when low blood sugar is induced by something other than insulin, in this case the NaR-ala in Glycobol I would suspect, it would give an even bigger spike than with insulin because there is no inhibitory effect.

But again per Dr. D he had recomeneded the combo of Deep sleep + low blood sugar + hyperaminoacidemia. Will it work without the aminos? Maybe.. you can prolly even get by with a scoop of whey or some casein instead of straight BCAAs even.
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The whey protein wouldn't spike insulin though? Or are SOME aminos needed for the enhanced GH response?
 
mattrag said:
The whey protein wouldn't spike insulin though? Or are SOME aminos needed for the enhanced GH response?
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alomost all nutrient we consume are going to elevate insulin to some degree in some way or another. Even the scoop of BCAAs will rise insulin some. As to how much the whey would vs BCAAs.. I honestly dont know. As to if the Whey would raise insulin enough to have an effect on the GH path we are trying to take.. again I am honestly not sure. Only thing I can suggest is to just give it a whirl and see. Try a couple weeks with whey and see if you start to notice improved sleep and recovery and then try with the BCAAs and see if anything changes. I think you will be fine with either. The insulin will prevent GHRH which isnt a concern here as we are using hypoglycemia to stimulate a Ghrelin induced GH release and not the GHRH
 
JudoJosh said:
alomost all nutrient we consume are going to elevate insulin to some degree in some way or another. Even the scoop of BCAAs will rise insulin some. As to how much the whey would vs BCAAs.. I honestly dont know. As to if the Whey would raise insulin enough to have an effect on the GH path we are trying to take.. again I am honestly not sure. Only thing I can suggest is to just give it a whirl and see. Try a couple weeks with whey and see if you start to notice improved sleep and recovery and then try with the BCAAs and see if anything changes. I think you will be fine with either. The insulin will prevent GHRH which isnt a concern here as we are using hypoglycemia to stimulate a Ghrelin induced GH release and not the GHRH
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ahhh! Now I see. I guess provided they are not carb meals stimulating GH from the hypoglycemic ghrelin response pathway is what your after then the small amount of gluconeogenisis shouldn't hinder the ghrelin response.

Thanks for clearing that up :D
 
mattrag said:
ahhh! Now I see. I guess provided they are not carb meals stimulating GH from the hypoglycemic ghrelin response pathway is what your after then the small amount of gluconeogenisis shouldn't hinder the ghrelin response.

Thanks for clearing that up :D
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Again I just dont know to answer definitively for you bud, sorry. All I can suggest is to try yourself and see what works best because at the end of it all... what works for YOU is all that really matters. As for if it will hinder or not, I do not think so but again not 100% sure. Just experiment and have fun with it ;)
 
Carb>Protein>Fat in order of insulin spike. Although protein isnt terribly far behind and obviously having cabrs and protein together is a double whammy. Hence you often see diets where these carb meals have minimal protein intake surrounding them.

I, particularly, struggle with my insulin responses to white/starchy/simple carbs. I wish I could show some blood work but here's a round about estimate on how I normally run:

Fasting glucose: 50-60 mg/dL (Normal 70-100)
1hr postprandial: will be the highest point - lets estimate 170.
2hr postprandial: 70-80 - normally a person would just be above the high border and returning to normal (about 120) but I dip waaay low and get sleepy and sloth.

Normally, that 2 hour mark would show blood glucose just above the normal range and returning to normal. Then around the 3hr mark they may dip below their average and rebound back as insulin response experiences negative feedback. My problem is I overreact. By that 3rd hour I might be pushing critically low blood sugars. I think everytime Ive ever gone to the ER, even if Im feeling fine, theyve handed me orange juice telling me my blood sugar is almost 40.

I paid close attention to this when having a delicious Diablo burger and french fries. First i felt a little tingle and almost pump in my body as somatic tissue starts to feel full. Plus im just happy to eat a burger. But come that 2 hour mark when I usually start sloutching in the chair with heavy eyelids Im up and ready to go and continue to the next task. I successfully controlled my own natural insulin response.
 
JudoJosh said:
I dont see why not but the addittion of the aminos makes for a much better recovery protocol IMO, but soley on he GH boosting aspect, it will prolly work without the aminos



It seems that insulin induced hypoglycemia helps to elevate Growth Hormone BUT at the same time insulin itself can suppresses GH. Growth Hormone is released from the pituitary in response to the GHRH (Growth Hormone Releasing Hormone) signal from the hypothalamus and insulin prevents this. On the other hand that GH released in response to low blood sugar is not controlled by GHRH, but by something else. (leptin, Ghrelin, or galanin) So while insulin does suppress Growth Hormone release (GHRH), hypoglycemia will stimulate a Ghrelin induced GH release. So when low blood sugar is induced by something other than insulin, in this case the NaR-ala in Glycobol I would suspect, it would give an even bigger spike than with insulin because there is no inhibitory effect.

But again per Dr. D he had recomeneded the combo of Deep sleep + low blood sugar + hyperaminoacidemia. Will it work without the aminos? Maybe.. you can prolly even get by with a scoop of whey or some casein instead of straight BCAAs even.
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From my understanding, this statement is correct :D
 
Theres a lot of support towards that statement with casein and the slow breakdown. I think a lot of it is individually dependent. Nothings quite proven either way on this yet.
 
Went back to the gym today. Just did an upper body circuit - some light stuff to get me back into the swing of things. Also because I was itching for some physical activity. Threw back 2 glycobol post workout, had my BCAAs, went home and made THIS
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Hungarian guylash. Mmm a taste of home. And not too bad a breakdown either - minus the whole wheat flour.

Simmer grape seed oil and brown 1.5 lb top round serloin stew meat tossed in black paper, paprika, sea salt, and whole wheat flour.
(I like grape seed oil - awesome for the omegas and a bit sweet in taste. Good for cardiovascular health too)
Removed some of the oil, browned some onions, turnips, celery, and mushrooms. No carrots - not a fan, plus its sugary.
And a little red wine vinegar, more paprika, and some tomato sauce... ok the tomato sauce has sodium and some fruit sugars.
Add in 2 cubed sweet potatos and serloin. Add water (not stock), boil. Add basil, 3 bay leaves, MORE paprika, cayenne pepper.
Bring down to simmer, cover, and wait about 45min. Delish. Probably something of a 2:1:1 carb: protein: fat and like 100mg sodium.
 
Nice meal man!! Great in subbing out the wheat flour. I'm gluten intolerant so I've been looking for ways to eat many dishes without flour. :)
 
I'm never going to be a pro. Like eating too many different things, and I work 50 hours a week :p
 
Hungarian guylash. Mmm a taste of home. And not too bad a breakdown either - minus the whole wheat flour.
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So do you eat like 12 of those bowls? It looks pretty small, lol.

It's not uncommon for me to eat out of mixing bowls :lol:
 
So I took a few days off Glycobol. I needed some time away from the whole diet/training/supplement thing.

This will be good as I can kind of start fresh and see some differences in how I feel. My $#!^ isnt that weird green anymore. So far the only downside to Glycobol is when it leaves my system. Im taking a probiotic now and im thinking those little bugs might help keep this side effect in check.

Now ill be consiming carb by my own means. That means big pumps at the gym! We've seen what its like on depletion... now lets see what happens when we get all carbed up. Im trying to get big again!

Aaand here's your daily Glycopic.
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I know I need to eat more carbs. :p

Anyhow since you took a break, did you re-evaluate timing and what your eating and how many pills you are taking with x amount of carbs & also the time frame between each dose?

If you did can you give us a break down of what your glycobol routine looks like now?
 
Here's how my training and diet are scheduled. I just redesigned it yesterday and feeling pretty good about it.

Tuesday/Thursday
(5AM)>30min fasted cardio
First dose of glycobol
(5:30)>4 egg whites w/ spinach, 1/2c steel cut oats, 1 c green tea
(7:00)>1 scoops whey w/coffee before work
(9:30)>5-6oz lean white poultry or fish, 1c green vegetables
(12:30)>Same as above
(4:00)>Same as above
(6:00)
(6:30)> Off training days, same as above
On training days, 2 scoops whey, BCAA's, 1 banana, a tsp of sesame oil and if im cycling a preworkout
(Postworkout)> BCAA's and 2nd dose immediately after, 5-6oz fish, 1 sweet potato or 1/2c brown rice
I do a little 10-20min walk and stretch to unwind before heading home
(9:30)> 2oz tuna, apple cider vinegar, salad greens and veggies
(10:30)>Bed time
 
Are u running 4 caps of glycolbol?
 
Saturday/Sunday
I lift upon awakening these days
>30min fasted cardio, 1st dose Glycobol
>Same Preworkout shake
>Same dosing protocol and postworkout nutrition
>Now postworkout meal is Meal 1: eggs and oatmeal

The rest of my day is low carb, just meat and veggies.
Unless its my once-a-week cheat meal.

This is plan - going for clean weight gain. Im tryin to get biiiigg
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AaronJP1 said:
Are u running 4 caps of glycolbol?
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Yeah - I forgot to mention the 2nd dose off training. Someone here got me into the idea of BCAA's and Glycobol before bed. Soo Im doin that MWF
 
Have you ever had sweet potato pie? I never even heard of it until I moved to the south. It's similar to pumpkin pie.
 
stxnas said:
Have you ever had sweet potato pie? I never even heard of it until I moved to the south. It's similar to pumpkin pie.
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Will devour sweet potato pie!
 
It's a lot better than it sounds...and goes quite well with two capsules of Glycobol :D
 
stxnas said:
It's a lot better than it sounds...and goes quite well with two capsules of Glycobol :D
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Wish I could make it
 
I really enjoy cooking. I try to meet myself halfway between normal human eating and my paleo mindset by making meals interesting but still keeping clean and basic. Ive made some pretty good sweet potato creating but pie is not one of them...YET..mwahahahaha.

I always bring a sweet potato dish to Thanksgiving with the fam. Im gonna look into this idea. I could swallow an entire pie, no problem.
 
OrganicShadow said:
I really enjoy cooking. I try to meet myself halfway between normal human eating and my paleo mindset by making meals interesting but still keeping clean and basic. Ive made some pretty good sweet potato creating but pie is not one of them...YET..mwahahahaha.

I always bring a sweet potato dish to Thanksgiving with the fam. Im gonna look into this idea. I could swallow an entire pie, no problem.
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yea combining the two is quite difficult. I have pretty good success though by just keeping my meals simple, yet flavorful. But then again... although I love cooking and it is a passion of mine... I really don't mind eating food that is pretty tasteless lol.
 
mattrag said:
yea combining the two is quite difficult. I have pretty good success though by just keeping my meals simple, yet flavorful. But then again... although I love cooking and it is a passion of mine... I really don't mind eating food that is pretty tasteless lol.
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One time one of the strength and conditioning coaches at my college said "what do you need ketchup for? food is for fuel, not for fun."
And ive kept that mentality. I guess when you eat the same things day in and day out your start finding little ways to be creative and keep clean at the same time. Every chef may not be a bodybuilder, but every bodybuilder is a chef.
 
Had a long day today. I did my lift today instead of tomorrow because I have a seminar on Melanoma to attend. Ill post the good news later.

Gotta love this stuff:

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OrganicShadow said:
One time one of the strength and conditioning coaches at my college said "what do you need ketchup for? food is for fuel, not for fun."
And ive kept that mentality. I guess when you eat the same things day in and day out your start finding little ways to be creative and keep clean at the same time. Every chef may not be a bodybuilder, but every bodybuilder is a chef.
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Franks red hot!

I have never looked back to ketchup every since I had me some franks
 
JudoJosh said:
Franks red hot!

I have never looked back to ketchup every since I had me some franks
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Omg franks hot is amazing. If only I could get some of this stuff to japan...
 
mattrag said:
Omg franks hot is amazing. If only I could get some of this stuff to japan...
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Sorry is I missed but are u supplementing with any protein powder as well?
 
I just had a tub of Truetein come in this week. Im gonna start using it tomorrow for pre workout and sub out the big pre carb load. So 2 scoops Truetein 1/2 banana and 30-40g waxy maize.

So, since itll be Saturday: I'll take 2 glycobol upon awakening then do about 30m of treadmillin', toss back a big pre workout shake, then head to the war rom for biceps, tricep, and traps.
 
Well the last two days have been a bit wacky. Partially because Ive had to alter my schedule as Im working 7-3 for a few weeks (usually 8-4, not that different unless your commuting 1.5hrs each way :/ ). The other being because I donated blood Thursday after work. I felt just fine afterwards and went to sit in a presentation on Melanoma but ended up being more interested in some graduate school studies across the hall (they had food and beer too.)

Didnt have any beer - that would've turned out bad. Towards the last presentation the woman's words just were'nt registering in my brain so I decided it was time to go home. Got on my usual transit route, got home and passed out at like 8PM.

Didnt do my usual morning cardio today. Just some glycobol, other morning stuff and breakfast. Oh, I've been craving these a lot lately:
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U drive 3 hours a day smh!
 
Hell no. At 5:35 a bus picks me right outside my apartment. From there I take 2 subway trains and walk a few blocks - get there around 6:45.

Even during carb depletion I still have some small amount of oatmeal in the morning - Id never make it lol

Getting home is a whole other ball game - that can take almost 2 hours. Getting in early morning isnt bad, its getting out during rush hour.
 
OrganicShadow said:
Hell no. At 5:35 a bus picks me right outside my apartment. From there I take 2 subway trains and walk a few blocks - get there around 6:45.

Even during carb depletion I still have some small amount of oatmeal in the morning - Id never make it lol

Getting home is a whole other ball game - that can take almost 2 hours. Getting in early morning isnt bad, its getting out during rush hour.
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WTF u do? That's crazy
 
OrganicShadow said:
Hell no. At 5:35 a bus picks me right outside my apartment. From there I take 2 subway trains and walk a few blocks - get there around 6:45.

Even during carb depletion I still have some small amount of oatmeal in the morning - Id never make it lol

Getting home is a whole other ball game - that can take almost 2 hours. Getting in early morning isnt bad, its getting out during rush hour.
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Definetely dont miss the city life!!!

Granted I only lived in Philly and it isnt that big when compared to New York but public transportation can be a pain sometimes
 
JudoJosh said:
Definetely dont miss the city life!!!

Granted I only lived in Philly and it isnt that big when compared to New York but public transportation can be a pain sometimes
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Bro Philly transit system is 10x worse. Its so discombobulated in comparison. At least NY makes sense lol
 
How's the new switch up working out for ya & with glycobol & all homie?
 
Well this weekend got a little flipped around for me - I have a per diem job and agreed to work my old overnight shift (which I dont think was worth it in the end) so my sleep cycle got screwy. Ate like garbage and felt pretty sluggish about it.

So i slept until early afternoon. When i woke up I popped 2 glycobol and jumped on the treadmill. After I was up and movin I mae my shake of 2 scoops Truetein, 1 banana, 1/2c oats.

Maaaaan, these pumps were great. My old trainer thought I was flexing the whole time and told me to cut it out. I did triceps and biceps today and felt like ripping out of my skin!!! Vascularity in my arms were crazy and unrelenting to let up.

Fueled my whole workout I thought about doing more just because I felt like I could and the feeling weas amazing. I did a weighted ab circuit and got pumps in my lower abs hahah. I spent a little extra time on my cool down treadmill walk as I took 2 more glycobol and sipped at a waxy maize/AmericanIso/RecoverPro shake.

I was kinda shakey in my hands when making eggs this morning. I did feel mildly apprehensive as a whole too. Was my blood glucose too low? Usually thats the first sign, it was rather unusual and mildly alarming. Maybe I should try to limit how close I dose these. Perhaps a pre/post scenario isnt the best idea.

I felt big all day - definitely helped when i went to see a college friend of mine today. She did a couple up-down looks... I caught her.

AAAND I got my apples :)
But I wanna go apple picking... like really bad.

And sushi
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