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Researched each part individually, but I'm wondering what you think of the stack.
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What would you Reccomend as Recovery instead? What's a similar stack but better?Awful, awful idea with that "PCT" and milk thistle is not enough for recovery supplements. Basically, the guy is an idiot.
20, 175, 2 years experience. Stats: bench: maybe 190 if I maxed. Squat: 235x4, DL: 320x5Starting Stats? Age, weight, experience, etc.
You're far too young and inexperienced to be thinking about anything hormonal.20, 175, 2 years experience. Stats: bench: maybe 190 if I maxed. Squat: 235x4, DL: 320x5
Whys that? You hear that a lot but what's the reason behind it?You're far too young and inexperienced to be thinking about anything hormonal.
It takes time and experience to make a foundation. Only 2 years experience makes you a baby and not ready physically and mentally for hormones. Not to mention you should wait until you're at least 21 at the absolute earliest.Whys that? You hear that a lot but what's the reason behind it?
What is physically and mentally not ready about me? Specifically? Those sound like generalizations that might not or might apply to meIt takes time and experience to make a foundation. Only 2 years experience makes you a baby and not ready physically and mentally for hormones. Not to mention you should wait until you're at least 21 at the absolute earliest.
You're only 20 years old with 2 years training and 175 lbs. You haven't spent the necessary time in the gym to think about hormones.What is physically and mentally not ready about me? Specifically? Those sound like generalizations that might not or might apply to me
But your stil not givin me any reasons. Your just saying stuff. WHY do I need more time. Is what I'm askingYou're only 20 years old with 2 years training and 175 lbs. You haven't spent the necessary time in the gym to think about hormones.
Bc you have no idea what you're doing. You went to a store and asked for something to get bigger instead of focusing on your training and nutrition. Not only are they hormonal in nature, but you obviously have no clue what a PCT really is. Like I said, you're too young and not ready. It's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth.But your stil not givin me any reasons. Your just saying stuff. WHY do I need more time. Is what I'm asking
LMAO+++I bet everyone reads the fat thing and takes their prohormones with mcdonalds
We're not being deuche bags, were just trying to help you so you dnt have F***ed up hormone levels later on and screw up ur endocrine system. At 20 you dnt need to worry about gear bc, correct me if im wrong yall, you test levels are already at their HIGHEST they will ever be, naturally. Take advantage of that... You test levels really wont start to wane off untill like 25 and then really decrease at around 28.But your stil not givin me any reasons. Your just saying stuff. WHY do I need more time. Is what I'm asking
I'm at work and have nothing better to do so I might as well argue over the Internet. So...I went to a new health store to see what he had, ended up trying a new protein. Didn't even know what prohormones were, he mentioned these sell really well blah blah. It intrigued me. I'm currently doing research and learning. I'm sure you had to learn one time. Pct is when you try to regulate your test levels to start producing on their own if I'm not mistaken. Not to mention your argument of only 2 years is just wrong and you can't provide any legit evidence no matter how hard I'm begging of why it is actually not a good idea. And you use yor age as leverage as if that makes you better than me. So basically, you might be right but your Terrible at proving it.Bc you have no idea what you're doing. You went to a store and asked for something to get bigger instead of focusing on your training and nutrition. Not only are they hormonal in nature, but you obviously have no clue what a PCT really is. Like I said, you're too young and not ready. It's not what you want to hear, but it's the truth.
It's not the age; it's the experience. At your age, all you need to do is bust your ass in the gym and eat and eat a lot.I'm at work and have nothing better to do so I might as well argue over the Internet. So...I went to a new health store to see what he had, ended up trying a new protein. Didn't even know what prohormones were, he mentioned these sell really well blah blah. It intrigued me. I'm currently doing research and learning. I'm sure you had to learn one time. Pct is when you try to regulate your test levels to start producing on their own if I'm not mistaken. Not to mention your argument of only 2 years is just wrong and you can't provide any legit evidence no matter how hard I'm begging of why it is actually not a good idea. And you use yor age as leverage as if that makes you better than me. So basically, you might be right but your Terrible at proving it.
But if I can make better gains busting butt eating a lot AND taking hormones. Why not?It's not the age; it's the experience. At your age, all you need to do is bust your ass in the gym and eat and eat a lot.
Just forget it. You're not going to listen to anything I say. What makes you think you'll be able to maintain any of the gains you make on cycle since you don't know the very basics of organizing a cycle? This is what I am talking about when I say you're too young and inexperienced.But if I can make better gains busting butt eating a lot AND taking hormones. Why not?
Finally you give at least one reason. And I'm not saying I'm doing a cycle tomorrow. What's it look like I'm doing? Research? I'm not a kid who just saw candy In a store. I'm a 20 year old who understands that you have to have a correct stack and eat enough, train enough, etc etc. And I'm researching to find out what is good. Now can you help me by maybe saying why it's not good enough? Explain soothing to me?Just forget it. You're not going to listen to anything I say. What makes you think you'll be able to maintain any of the gains you make on cycle since you don't know the very basics of organizing a cycle? This is what I am talking about when I say you're too young and inexperienced.
I explained plenty to you, but you ignored it. What does your diet look like? That's what you should be focusing on instead of oral steroids.Finally you give at least one reason. And I'm not saying I'm doing a cycle tomorrow. What's it look like I'm doing? Research? I'm not a kid who just saw candy In a store. I'm a 20 year old who understands that you have to have a correct stack and eat enough, train enough, etc etc. And I'm researching to find out what is good. Now can you help me by maybe saying why it's not good enough? Explain soothing to me?
40,40,20 4000 calories a day, gain about 1.5 lbs a week when I eat enough. Which I use to not cause I was being lazy. Been consistently gaining for couple months now. Have gone from 130-175 in last 2 years of lifting overall.I explained plenty to you, but you ignored it. What does your diet look like? That's what you should be focusing on instead of oral steroids.
Unless I'm an extomorph with sucky genes with low t? I mean I obviously have enough to gain. But it might take me 2 years to gain what I could in 6 months. Why waste time? And is there any real evidence of permanent damage?You're 20 years old, your body is producing more than enough testosterone to make you bigger. Prohormones shut down your natural production. You risk permanently damaging your hpta. Do you want to have kids? If you simply adjust your diet and eat more you will have more keepable gains. No ones bagging on you just trying to educate thru tough love.
That says everything I needed to hear. You admittedly lack consistency with your diet, which will get you subpar results. Focus on that for another 5 years and then reconsider adding in exogenous hormones.40,40,20 4000 calories a day, gain about 1.5 lbs a week when I eat enough. Which I use to not cause I was being lazy. Been consistently gaining for couple months now. Have gone from 130-175 in last 2 years of lifting overall.
I did. I specifically said I did. I don't need you to tell me if I can commit to eating enough or not. Only one person knows if I can and that's me. And I can.That says everything I needed to hear. You admittedly lack consistency with your diet, which will get you subpar results. Focus on that for another 5 years and then reconsider adding in exogenous hormones.
You're a waste of time kid. This is exactly what's wrong with this generation; all they want is instant gratification and aren't willing to put in the necessary work.I did. I specifically said I did. I don't need you to tell me if I can commit to eating enough or not. Only one person knows if I can and that's me. And I can.
Why is wasting time a good thing? I'm not saying I'd trade my life for it. But if you could get it in 6 months thn why wait? I don understand why wasting time is logicalYou're a waste of time kid. This is exactly what's wrong with this generation; all they want is instant gratification and aren't willing to put in the necessary work.
How is dedication and paying your dues in the gym wasting your time? Why is using something that you're not prepared for logical?Why is wasting time a good thing? I'm not saying I'd trade my life for it. But if you could get it in 6 months thn why wait? I don understand why wasting time is logical
You haven't told me why I'm not prepared for itHow is dedication and paying your dues in the gym wasting your time? Why is using something that you're not prepared for logical?
BC you're too young and inexperienced. You have no idea what a PCT is and don't have a consistent diet. How many times do I have to say it!?!?!?!?!?You haven't told me why I'm not prepared for it
I'm not shrugging it off. He's not giving advice. He's saying I'm not ready but won't give any legit proof or reasons. And your all assuming I have high T cause I'm young. What if my T is that of a 35 year old cause if my genetics? Hmm? Then where are my huge gains from eating coming from?do you not care about the long term effects this could have? yeah, a lot of people are *******s when it comes to gathering info about ph's, but youre basically shrugging off peoples (especially rodja's) advice. youre TWENTY years old, as everyone has already said, your test levels are already ridiculously high, take advantage of that rather than taking something thats going to mess up your levels (or other body parts/organs) in the long run.
im not, nor would i ever claim to be, an expert in this field. but using synthetic hormones at this point will likely have a negative impact on your body. its not one of those things where its like 'oh, im 20, im past puberty and have finished growing', your body is still changing in ways you cant see with regards to stuff like hormone levels. its not a good idea to play around with them right now, nor do you really need to.
if there was ONE thing i could change, i wouldnt have wasted all those years in high school and beginning of college eating like 2000 calories a day so i 'dont get fat' while somehow trying to gain muscle mass and strength. you already make great gains when you eat... why not take advantage of the fact that you can have ph-esque gains naturally (when you try)?
You haven't said why young and inexperienced is bad. And I'm not taking anything until I know all about it. So instead of saying I don't know about PCT why font you inform me about it? Am I supposed to just magically know what it I'd when I turn 25 or somethingBC you're too young and inexperienced. You have no idea what a PCT is and don't have a consistent diet. How many times do I have to say it!?!?!?!?!?
Let's put it this way: would you enter a professional MMA fight with just a few weeks of training? No because you'd get you head bashed in by your opponent. That's why young and inexperienced is bad with hormones bc you don't know what the **** you're doing.You haven't said why young and inexperienced is bad. And I'm not taking anything until I know all about it. So instead of saying I don't know about PCT why font you inform me about it? Am I supposed to just magically know what it I'd when I turn 25 or something
posts that deserves a lil respect, if nothing else listen to what he says.15,000+
Okay just because in not an expert on cycles right now doesn't mean I won't know more through research. Once again, IM NOT PLANNING A CYCLE UNTIL I KNOW WHAT IM DOING. So when I'm 20, 175lbs, 2 years experience, very dedicated. I know I'm willing to diet right, AND I know all about PCTs then why not do a cycle?I thought I made some very good points, not to sound like deuche bag. And everyone on here is not trying to "keep" you from anything other than ****ing urself over down the road. Like Rodja said, You had no clue what a PCT was/is and without a CONSISTANT diet ur jus wasting money. For someone who has been on the forums for over 4 years and over posts that deserves a lil respect, if nothing else listen to what he says.
Buddy, your annoying as all hell. Try doing some research on YOUR OWN instead of being hand fed information. Or trying to be hand fedYou haven't told me why I'm not prepared for it
If I could get a correct cycle then there's no difference experience wise than me and Him takin it. He may know more about the cycle but in the end the same drugs are going in both our bodies. See what I mean?he won't listen to anybody....f*** it go for it, double up your dosage for "faster" instant gratification. i mean why take 6 weeks on a an oral when you can double the dose and get the gains in 3 weeks right?
Do you know anyone personally who, at age 20 with ur lifting experience and PH knowledge, has used PH's???Okay just because in not an expert on cycles right now doesn't mean I won't know more through research. Once again, IM NOT PLANNING A CYCLE UNTIL I KNOW WHAT IM DOING. So when I'm 20, 175lbs, 2 years experience, very dedicated. I know I'm willing to diet right, AND I know all about PCTs then why not do a cycle?
I am? As well as askin for advice on what this guy told me as a cycle. How do you know I'm not researching on my own. Everyone assumes I'm an idiot.Buddy, your annoying as all hell. Try doing some research on YOUR OWN instead of being hand fed information. Or trying to be hand fed
What?Do you know anyone personally who, at age 20 with ur lifting experience and PH knowledge, has used PH's???
the difference will be the damage you do to your undeveloped system vs. his litte to no damage done to himselfIf I could get a correct cycle then there's no difference experience wise than me and Him takin it. He may know more about the cycle but in the end the same drugs are going in both our bodies. See what I mean?
2 people will not react the same way to a particular drug. I guarantee you that you would gain a **** load more off a cycle of Test than I would because you are nowhere near your genetic limits because you haven't put in the appropriate time in the gym. Conversely, I would maintain more of it during and after PCT because of my experience.If I could get a correct cycle then there's no difference experience wise than me and Him takin it. He may know more about the cycle but in the end the same drugs are going in both our bodies. See what I mean?
Okay, I don't have any problem with actual facts and straight answers. I don't want to hurt myself. And this I can work with not "your too young". So..what exactly can damage my system (no sarcasm)the difference will be the damage you do to your undeveloped system vs. his litte to no damage done to himself
This right here would be where a little bit of research comes into play. Google is a good place to start. goodluck.Okay, I don't have any problem with actual facts and straight answers. I don't want to hurt myself. And this I can work with not "your too young". So..what exactly can damage my system (no sarcasm)
The reason it can damage your endocrine and reproductive systems is because you're too young and not fully matured. BTW, this is why we're saying you want to be spoon-fed information; this is basic information that you could figure out on your own in 15 minutes with Google.Okay, I don't have any problem with actual facts and straight answers. I don't want to hurt myself. And this I can work with not "your too young". So..what exactly can damage my system (no sarcasm)
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