Thoughts on AAKG

Bigjoe214

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I've been reading a lot of hating on Arginine Alphaketoglutarate's (AAKG) ability to elicit a pump. For the past month ive been experimenting with my own home brew pre-workout with 4g AAKG, 3g Beta Alanine (BA), and 200mg caffeine. I tried the AAKG and BA individually for 2 weeks and got an ok pump with AAKG on it's own. The BA has made me a believer (which I think is pretty typical). But after a week of taking them together I'm getting a hell of a pump. I know a lot of people say the pump is pointless, but i'm addicted to it. Gotta have it. My question is why is AAKG getting a bad reputation lately?
 
I would go with 2 grams of Citruline (show to increase plasma arginine levels BETTTER than L-arginine supplementation).

Next I would use NADH with the Citruline- or even regular L-arginine for that matter.......see below....

NADH also Increases Nitric Oxide (NO) bioavailability. As a matter of fact Dr. Tadeusz Malinski (the first man to discover how to measure the cellular output of nitric oxide) states that NADH stimulates NO production 10 x more than any substance he has ever tested! As an aside, if you are taking a “NO Supplement” and it does not include NADH, you are throwing away your money!!!

But I digress. So how does NADH increase the bioavailabilty of Nitric Oxide?

The Coenzyme of the enzyme NO-Synthase is NAHD. The more NADH available, the more NO can be produced. NO mediates vasodilation (an expansion of the internal diameter of blood vessels), which in turn leads to increased blood flow, oxygen transport, delivery of nutrients to skeletal muscle and a reduction in blood pressure.

Athletes know that Nitric Oxide is a valuable part of their success because it’s responsible for blood flow, oxygen delivery, glucose uptake, muscle velocity, power output, and muscle growth.

Increasing Nitric Oxide levels can deliver continuous muscle benefits such as:

· Faster gains in lean mass

· Greater strength

· Providing better muscle recovery

· Increasing endurance


I've been reading a lot of hating on Arginine Alphaketoglutarate's (AAKG) ability to elicit a pump. For the past month ive been experimenting with my own home brew pre-workout with 4g AAKG, 3g Beta Alanine (BA), and 200mg caffeine. I tried the AAKG and BA individually for 2 weeks and got an ok pump with AAKG on it's own. The BA has made me a believer (which I think is pretty typical). But after a week of taking them together I'm getting a hell of a pump. I know a lot of people say the pump is pointless, but i'm addicted to it. Gotta have it. My question is why is AAKG getting a bad reputation lately?
 
NADH write up.....

cabergolean.com/blogs/news/3458022-nadh-the-performance-enhancing-supplement

I would go with 2 grams of Citruline (show to increase plasma arginine levels BETTTER than L-arginine supplementation).

Next I would use NADH with the Citruline- or even regular L-arginine for that matter.......see below....

NADH also Increases Nitric Oxide (NO) bioavailability. As a matter of fact Dr. Tadeusz Malinski (the first man to discover how to measure the cellular output of nitric oxide) states that NADH stimulates NO production 10 x more than any substance he has ever tested! As an aside, if you are taking a “NO Supplement” and it does not include NADH, you are throwing away your money!!!

But I digress. So how does NADH increase the bioavailabilty of Nitric Oxide?

The Coenzyme of the enzyme NO-Synthase is NAHD. The more NADH available, the more NO can be produced. NO mediates vasodilation (an expansion of the internal diameter of blood vessels), which in turn leads to increased blood flow, oxygen transport, delivery of nutrients to skeletal muscle and a reduction in blood pressure.

Athletes know that Nitric Oxide is a valuable part of their success because it’s responsible for blood flow, oxygen delivery, glucose uptake, muscle velocity, power output, and muscle growth.

Increasing Nitric Oxide levels can deliver continuous muscle benefits such as:

· Faster gains in lean mass

· Greater strength

· Providing better muscle recovery

· Increasing endurance
 
Arginine has poor oral bioavailability. Agmatine is its superior metabolite.

And supplementing NADH is pretty nonsensical
 
I dont understand why one would need to supplement NADH. Plenty to go around

Its sort of like supplementing with water since H2O is involved in biochemical processes.

Or supplementing with O2
 
Can the representative from Serious Nutrition Solutions please expound upon his comment that "supplementing NADH is pretty nonsensical".

Before I explain why it "makes sense"- I would love to hear your "why it doesn't make sense.






Arginine has poor oral bioavailability. Agmatine is its superior metabolite.

And supplementing NADH is pretty nonsensical
 
On citrulline malate, use the bonded version. Almost all out there is blended, studies use bonded. As I recall, most arginine gets absorbed into the gut. One reason when you mega dose your crap your brains out. From some research I've seen from phd students, it's of little to no value. Might actually decrease performance. PW it could have value in high amounts, would be interesting to explore. However, the dump level would be tough to hit as it would vary from person to person.

Real CM is probably your best option, with agmatine. I'm not familiar with research on nadh, so I have no opinion either way.
 
Hi nattydisaster

Thank you for at least allowing us to defend our assertion on the benefit of NADH supplementation, rather than just calling it "nonsensical". How a supplement company speaks of other supplement companies not only says something about their class, but also their integrity.

I would submit to you that there are scientific studies that show that certain individuals, e.g. high-performance athletes, may be exposed to coenzyme 1 (NADH) deficiency.

NUMEROUS scientific studies have shown that a loss of NADH leads to an ATP depletion, which in turn leads to cell death.

Simply put, the more NADH a cell has available, the more energy it can produce. Most recent scientific studies have discovered that the energy level in a cell can actually be increased by NADH. Both Aerobic respiration and Glycolysis require NADH in the chemical reaction, e.g., Glycolysis = Glucose + 2 NAD+ + 2 Pi + 2 ADP → 2 pyruvate + 2 NADH + 2 ATP + 2 H+ + 2 H2O.

NADH has MANY more functions in the body in addition to producing energy. It does repair cell and DNA damage, it stimulates the immune system, it stimulates the biosynthesis of the neurotransmitters adrenaline, dopamine and serotonin. And it Increases Nitric Oxide (NO) bioavailability via NADH (beta-nicotinamide adeninedinucleotid). The Coenzyme of the enzyme NO-Synthase is NAHD. The more NADH available, the more NO can be produced. NO mediates vasodilation (an expansion of the internal diameter of blood vessels), which in turn leads to increased blood flow, oxygen transport, delivery of nutrients to skeletal muscle and a reduction in blood pressure.




I dont understand why one would need to supplement NADH. Plenty to go around

Its sort of like supplementing with water since H2O is involved in biochemical processes.

Or supplementing with O2
 
I honestly don't know what the deal with this one is either, because I read so much literature that goes towards and against both directions. I have personally gotten large increases in 'pumps' with arginine akg and the esterfied form as well. I know that a ton of people are against it, but when I dig into old logs and reviews from when AEE just came out, I would read things such as, "WOW! This stuff blows me away!" and then sometimes the same people will go on and despise it when some literature says something else that doesn't support it. I know a lot of people on this board that have loved creatine ethyl ester and now that everyone else hates it, they hate it too. Let's get some kinda science or even a snippet of a study when we make a bold claim. I would personally like to know the science for my own knowledge.
 
At the end of the day if you told someone "This product will hinder your performance 5%, but will make your veins stick out", it would still sell like crazy.
 
With my positive experience from AAKG and all the positive studies, I'm confident that it is helping. I do endorse the MST product NITROCEPS more than any other arginine based nitric oxide and endurance product. It is designed to bypass the stomach's acidic environment, using enteric coating. The product contains a lot of other goodies to add to it's ass-kicking endurance enhancement!

Arginine is an essential amino acid that is found in most meats and proteins, however this key nutrient has been paired up with another amino acid complex alpha-keto-gluterate which is part of the krebs cycle of cellular respiration. Arinine AKG has long been though of as simply a nitric oxide precursor and hit the supplement industry by storm in the late 90′s. Still real science on this molecule is lacking when it comes to muscle building and nitric oxide production. That being said, many people swear by it as a “pump” facilitator and vasodialator.

Arginine AKG seems to be an ergogenic aid for both strength and endurance. In resistance trained men aged 30-50 it was shown to increase one rep max and wingate peak performance. It didn’t have an effect on body composition but that is something that is very tough to judge, since diet and exercise patterns vary greatly even in 8 weeks. (1) In this study it was also shown to be very safe when used as directed. Additionally in a second study, Arginine Alpha Keto-gluterate was shown to increase the ergogenic effects of creatine by boosting muscle power on the wingate test. This does show some validity to the practice of taking creatine and A-AKG supplements together. Arginine AKG also may improve insulin sensitivity and insulin signaling.

Arginine alone shows benefits on growth hormone release, nitric oxide levels and may benefit the bodybuilder in other ways. There is some controversy on Arginine supplements boosting nitric oxide levels, since in healthy humans it has not been shown to have this effect on its own. It could be that the addition of the alpha keto gluterate increases the N.O. effects or that other ingredients like norvaline and quercetin added into most N.O. supplements. Arginine may also stimulate mTOR similar to Leucine which could also have an anabolic effect in skeletal muscle.

Alpha keto gluterate may, on its own also have ergogenic activity but it may not be similar to glutamine in anabolism or catabolism. As a metabolite of Glutamine one would expect it to have similar properties, but no increase in muscle recovery was found in sick patients who took a alpha ketogluterate supplement (3). It is possible that the alpha ketogluterate only serves to protect the arginine molecule from arginase or increases cellular uptake.

One can’t deny the anecdotal feedback given to Arginine AKG products, but it’s tough to see on paper how this amino acid combination works to increase muscle mass. Still, with the constant stream of new products using this ingredient it’s clearly here to stay.

1. Campbell B, Roberts M, Kerksick C, Wilborn C, Marcello B, Taylor L, Nassar E, Leutholtz B, Bowden R, Rasmussen C, Greenwood M, Kreider R. Pharmacokinetics, safety, and effects on exercise performance of L-arginine alpha-ketoglutarate in trained adult men. Nutrition. 2006 Sep;22(9):872-81.

2. Little JP, Forbes SC, Candow DG, Cornish SM, Chilibeck PD. Creatine, arginine alpha-ketoglutarate, amino acids, and medium-chain triglycerides and endurance and performance. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2008 Oct;18(5):493-508.

3. Wirén M, Permert J, Larsson Alpha-ketoglutarate-supplemented enteral nutrition: effects on postoperative nitrogen balance and muscle catabolism J.Nutrition. 2002 Sep;18(9):725-8.
 
Does not Agmatine inhibit nitric oxide synthase (NOS)?

You mess with the bull.......

Arginine has poor oral bioavailability. Agmatine is its superior metabolite.

And supplementing NADH is pretty nonsensical
 
Interesting formula- and if it is working for you then screw the "experts".

With my positive experience from AAKG and all the positive studies, I'm confident that it is helping. I do endorse the MST product NITROCEPS more than any other arginine based nitric oxide and endurance product. It is designed to bypass the stomach's acidic environment, using enteric coating. The product contains a lot of other goodies to add to it's ass-kicking endurance enhancement!
 
Force of Green said:
I honestly don't know what the deal with this one is either, because I read so much literature that goes towards and against both directions. I have personally gotten large increases in 'pumps' with arginine akg and the esterfied form as well. I know that a ton of people are against it, but when I dig into old logs and reviews from when AEE just came out, I would read things such as, "WOW! This stuff blows me away!" and then sometimes the same people will go on and despise it when some literature says something else that doesn't support it. I know a lot of people on this board that have loved creatine ethyl ester and now that everyone else hates it, they hate it too. Let's get some kinda science or even a snippet of a study when we make a bold claim. I would personally like to know the science for my own knowledge.

I agree. I've had positive results with aakg and have no problem labeling it effective for me. The fact of the matter is if you look hard enough, supplement "studies" and peer reviews will tell you exactly what you want to hear.
 
Does not Agmatine inhibit nitric oxide synthase (NOS)?

You mess with the bull.......

LOL I remember you. Troll from BB.com preaching over and over again about NADH. Then you got mad, PMed me angrily, got red, got banned. Welcome to AM. Unfortunately, the guys here are too nice and may facilitate your NADH argument.
 
I agree. I've had positive results with aakg and have no problem labeling it effective for me. The fact of the matter is if you look hard enough, supplement "studies" and peer reviews will tell you exactly what you want to hear.

Not in this case my friend, the case against arginine is pretty cut and dry. An unbiased research review will show you that 90% of the research is against arginine raising NO, particularly with respect to the studies with relevant parameters to athletes.
 
Oh wow the coenzyme of NO synthase is NADH! No way! No other reactions in the body use NADH as a coenzyme, do they? And this exogenous NADH...it's going to preferentially work with NO synthase? Further, the limiting factor in NO synthase activity is not signalling or precursor levels, but rather coenzyme levels? What a unique reaction you have just cited, thank you for the information BigGunn!
 
Sorry for not consolidating posts btw, I'm doing this from my phone.

BigGunn, here's a free tip: If you don't want to be exposed as the same NADH shill on BB.com who got banned, do not copy and paste the same exact thing from there to here. Do not get extremely defensive if someone says supplementing NADH is nonsensical.

This board is for helping others. I will rat out shills. If you don't want to be exposed, you should change your game when going from one forum to another. Hey, at least you changed your avi ;).
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Not in this case my friend, the case against arginine is pretty cut and dry. An unbiased research review will show you that 90% of the research is against arginine raising NO, particularly with respect to the studies with relevant parameters to athletes.

You miss my point, which is: Who gives a ****. It works for me.
 
You miss my point, which is: Who gives a ****. It works for me.

That is indeed a valid point. Even the studies had outliers whom it worked for; you may just be one of them (reasons unknown AFAIK). The majority will fall under the opposite category though.
 
That is indeed a valid point. Even the studies had outliers whom it worked for; you may just be one of them (reasons unknown AFAIK). The majority will fall under the opposite category though.

I am genuinely curious however. Let's say, for argument sake, that arginine is as ineffective to the pump as the studies indicate. Here are two popular pre-workout's ingredient lists (Jacked and White Flood).

JACKED
ARGININE ALPHA-KETOGLUTARATE
CREATINE MONOHYDRATE
BETA ALANINE (CARNOSYN)
CAFFEINE
1,3-DIMETHYLAMYLAMINE
SCHIZANDROL A

WHITE FLOOD
CALCIUM (AS CALCIUM SILICATE)
Potassium (As Gluconate)
Folate (As Folic Acid)
SELENIUM (AS SELENIUM AMINO ACID CHELATE)
ARGININE AKG
ORNITHINE AKG
BETA ALANINE
L-TYROSINE

Which ingredient(s) in these two products elicit the pump?
 
Shill?

I have never posted on BB.com!!!!!

Why do any supplements even exist? If you mock someone taking NADH why not mock someone taking any form of arginine or even vitamin C?

You have not stated with scientific reason why supplementing with NADH would not be helpful in in aiding in the conversion of arginine to NO. I will acquiesce to your sound argument and not post the benefits of NADH if you can refute that scientific fact.

And you still have not answered this question, Does not Agmatine inhibit nitric oxide synthase (NOS)?



Sorry for not consolidating posts btw, I'm doing this from my phone.

BigGunn, here's a free tip: If you don't want to be exposed as the same NADH shill on BB.com who got banned, do not copy and paste the same exact thing from there to here. Do not get extremely defensive if someone says supplementing NADH is nonsensical.

This board is for helping others. I will rat out shills. If you don't want to be exposed, you should change your game when going from one forum to another. Hey, at least you changed your avi ;).
 
my apologies

You know what mr.cooper69

How about this. How about we take the high-road here. My product (Cabergolean) is a supplement formula- so there was a lot of thought that went into each and every component in the supplement. So, as a paid sponsor on AM.com (not a schill) if I took offense to your claiming one of the components in out formula was nonsensical- well I apologize for doing so.

How about this.

I do not disparage your company or products- and you play nice with NRC. Neither one of us look like professionals by making the other company's products look bad...or attempting to.

So I apologize, and I hope we can get along on AM.com going forward.




Shill?

I have never posted on BB.com!!!!!

Why do any supplements even exist? If you mock someone taking NADH why not mock someone taking any form of arginine or even vitamin C?

You have not stated with scientific reason why supplementing with NADH would not be helpful in in aiding in the conversion of arginine to NO. I will acquiesce to your sound argument and not post the benefits of NADH if you can refute that scientific fact.

And you still have not answered this question, Does not Agmatine inhibit nitric oxide synthase (NOS)?
 
I am genuinely curious however. Let's say, for argument sake, that arginine is as ineffective to the pump as the studies indicate. Here are two popular pre-workout's ingredient lists (Jacked and White Flood).

JACKED
ARGININE ALPHA-KETOGLUTARATE
CREATINE MONOHYDRATE
BETA ALANINE (CARNOSYN)
CAFFEINE
1,3-DIMETHYLAMYLAMINE
SCHIZANDROL A

WHITE FLOOD
CALCIUM (AS CALCIUM SILICATE)
Potassium (As Gluconate)
Folate (As Folic Acid)
SELENIUM (AS SELENIUM AMINO ACID CHELATE)
ARGININE AKG
ORNITHINE AKG
BETA ALANINE
L-TYROSINE

Which ingredient(s) in these two products elicit the pump?

It's no secret that jack3d is poorly formulated. White Flood was recently updated to REMOVE arginine and replace it with
 
You know what mr.cooper69

How about this. How about we take the high-road here. My product (Cabergolean) is a supplement formula- so there was a lot of thought that went into each and every component in the supplement. So, as a paid sponsor on AM.com (not a schill) if I took offense to your claiming one of the components in out formula was nonsensical- well I apologize for doing so.

How about this.

I do not disparage your company or products- and you play nice with NRC. Neither one of us look like professionals by making the other company's products look bad...or attempting to.

So I apologize, and I hope we can get along on AM.com going forward.

Fair enough. I never had the intention of bashing one of your products. While I stand by my opinion on NADH, I am not going to provide evidence to back it up in order to keep things civil. If you are genuinely curious towards my stance on NADH, you are welcome to PM me.
 
Thanks

Thanks

Fair enough. I never had the intention of bashing one of your products. While I stand by my opinion on NADH, I am not going to provide evidence to back it up in order to keep things civil. If you are genuinely curious towards my stance on NADH, you are welcome to PM me.
 
Mr Cooper, you told me you didn't have enough time to look up a study on bb.com. You sure do post a lot for a guy that doesn't have any time :). Glad you guys got things settled.
 
all the talk usually revoles around pump,however arginine is very good for some overall health purposes. with that being said sns arginine E2 matrix does have ethyl ester PLUS ornithine AND norvaline and without a doubt helps improve some pumps.
 
WHAT?! But, the science.... now i'm lost.
 
Mr Cooper, you told me you didn't have enough time to look up a study on bb.com. You sure do post a lot for a guy that doesn't have any time :). Glad you guys got things settled.

Haha context my friend. That was 3 days before my MCAT exam! All posts were done on a phone between sections on practice exams. If you notice, my posting has increased sharply since last Tuesday (yes, it took 5 days for me to get over my MCAT :()
 
WHAT?! But, the science.... now i'm lost.

My viewpoint is my own, not anyone elses. Science is not in favor of oral arginine increasing NO. There is, however, tons of anecdotal evidence of arginine increasing pumps. Bottom line: Nitric Oxide signaling is not the only pathway to noticeable pumps (i.e. Glycerol Monostearate).

Further, arginine may have merit for other uses.

And I fully believe L-Norvaline can produce noticeable pumps, especially in conjunction with other urea cycle intermediates.
 
You can only buy the bound version from the license holder. It is patented

On citrulline malate, use the bonded version. Almost all out there is blended, studies use bonded. As I recall, most arginine gets absorbed into the gut. One reason when you mega dose your crap your brains out. From some research I've seen from phd students, it's of little to no value. Might actually decrease performance. PW it could have value in high amounts, would be interesting to explore. However, the dump level would be tough to hit as it would vary from person to person.

Real CM is probably your best option, with agmatine. I'm not familiar with research on nadh, so I have no opinion either way.
 
You can buy bonded material from elsewhere. Anyone making claims off of CM from the studies and not using bonded material, are in FTC violation.
 
You can buy bonded material from elsewhere. Anyone making claims off of CM from the studies and not using bonded material, are in FTC violation.

I know

But you cannot sell it without buying it from the patent holder without being in violation of the patent. Im sure people do it anyways though
 
I would submit to you that there are scientific studies that show that certain individuals, e.g. high-performance athletes, may be exposed to coenzyme 1 (NADH) deficiency.

NUMEROUS scientific studies have shown that a loss of NADH leads to an ATP depletion, which in turn leads to cell death.

Simply put, the more NADH a cell has available, the more energy it can produce. Most recent scientific studies have discovered that the energy level in a cell can actually be increased by NADH. Both Aerobic respiration and Glycolysis require NADH in the chemical reaction, e.g., Glycolysis = Glucose + 2 NAD+ + 2 Pi + 2 ADP → 2 pyruvate + 2 NADH + 2 ATP + 2 H+ + 2 H2O.

NADH has MANY more functions in the body in addition to producing energy. It does repair cell and DNA damage, it stimulates the immune system, it stimulates the biosynthesis of the neurotransmitters adrenaline, dopamine and serotonin. And it Increases Nitric Oxide (NO) bioavailability via NADH (beta-nicotinamide adeninedinucleotid). The Coenzyme of the enzyme NO-Synthase is NAHD. The more NADH available, the more NO can be produced. NO mediates vasodilation (an expansion of the internal diameter of blood vessels), which in turn leads to increased blood flow, oxygen transport, delivery of nutrients to skeletal muscle and a reduction in blood pressure.

But do any of the studies say that supplementing NADH fixes the above issues?
 
Shill?

I have never posted on BB.com!!!!!

Why do any supplements even exist? If you mock someone taking NADH why not mock someone taking any form of arginine or even vitamin C?

You have not stated with scientific reason why supplementing with NADH would not be helpful in in aiding in the conversion of arginine to NO. I will acquiesce to your sound argument and not post the benefits of NADH if you can refute that scientific fact.

And you still have not answered this question, Does not Agmatine inhibit nitric oxide synthase (NOS)?

Agmatine inhibits iNOS, not all NOS. This actually has a positive role in inflammation and no effect in endothelial tissue.

No one is bashing you or attacking you. You posted part of your product writeup in the 2nd post of this thread. It is subject to opinion and question then.

As a formulator you than have a choice of explaining and backing up your statements thus backing up the product and winning the approval of those reading the thread, or not.

Tons of companies get along on AM, it is almost always a big happy family especially lately. No one is going to attack you, if anything people will back you up if things make sense
 
Cooper this ones for you

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Now tell me how many ATP were formed starting at glycolysis

Good ol days!

Depends how you're converting NADH/FADH2 to ATP numerically ;).

Got my first mcat score back today coincidentally. A 6 point drop from my average on the AAMC practice exams, but I'll take it.
 
where shall I start?

Fair enough. Yes- I believe I was overly sensitive to Mr.cooper69's comment. Pride getting in the way.....

Name an issue/ morbidity and I will find the study.

I am wiling to put my rep on the line that supplementing with NADH for the purposes of increasing NO bioavailability is scientifically sound.

Is that an appropriate place to start?

But do any of the studies say that supplementing NADH fixes the above issues?
 
You were showing that athletes have NADH deficiency and that NADH an essential cofactor in some processes. I know this.

I was asking is their proof that supplementing NADH treats the deficiency or upregulates the processes depending on NADH. There are tons of vitamins, minerals, and cofactors that when supplemented do not increase circulating levels of said ingredient, or fix issues related with the ingredient.

I dont care. You got mad that I did not understand why one would supplement NADH.
 
i will dig for more...but here is one....

Admittedly, there is not much in the form of actual human studies that have been executed on the supplementation of NADH to increase NO. Buy why would there be? Who is going to make money off of that research? If I cannot get a hard-on, the doc gives me a viagra- he doesn't send me to have my nitric oxide levels measured. Maybe an anti-aging doc might care? We do know that NADH is required in the conversion of arginine to NO. There have been numerous studies involving arginine's impact on NO- and that debate seems pretty lively. But not much has been done with regard to the oral supplementation of NADH on NO levels. Maybe there will be in the future- but for now it is primarily hypothesis and anecdotal evidence. And for NRC, the combination of NADH, citruline malate and l-arginine in our ERGO-BLITZ has elicited very positive feedback from a user experience. As has combining 2 servings of Cabergolean with just 1 gram of L-arginine. The users have reported painful-sustained "pumps". Again, this is just anecdotal, but when you get the same feedback from consistently every user that you reach out to, your hypothesis becomes much stronger.

This is an interesting study on the benefits of NADH supplementation on VO2 max improvement and ATP production.


Research conducted by Birkmayer and colleagues (Birkmayer, International Journal of Sports Medicine 1996) on competitive athletes does indicate that NADH enhances work capacity. Researchers measured reaction times, physical performance and performance quality in 17 competitive cyclists and long-distance runners. Physical performance was measured on a bicycle ergometer. Performance quality was determined by measurements of continuous attention.

Athletes underwent these tests both before and after taking 5 mg of NADH before breakfast each morning for four weeks. During the test period, subjects kept constant the frequency and intensity of their training and exercise program as well as lifestyle factors. After four weeks of NADH supplementation, most athletes experienced significantly less scattering of reaction times-it dropped by 10 percent in five athletes, 10 to 20 percent in eight athletes, and more than 20 percent in three athletes. Reaction time overall improved considerably in 16 out of the 17 subjects.

Compared to baseline measurements, parameters for physical performance also improved. For two athletes, the maximum work performance (work at max per kg/body weight) increased by more than 10 percent, with another seven showing increases of up to 10 percent. Similar improvements were made in maximum oxygen uptake (VO2max/kg).

Researchers hypothesized that improved reaction times may have resulted from prior NADH deficiency in some athletes or an increase in dopamine production that led to increased alertness and vigilance. The latter explanation is further supported by studies wherein NADH supplementation increased dopamine production in rats. The researchers went on to say that stimulation of cellular ATP production by NADH may have enhanced, athletic performance- more NADH a cell has available, the more energy it can produce. Conversely, an NADH deficiency results in reduced strength, power and performance. The report concluded, "From the changes observed after taking NADH for four weeks, it seems justified to perform a double-blind, placebo-controlled study with a larger number of athletes."


You were showing that athletes have NADH deficiency and that NADH an essential cofactor in some processes. I know this.

I was asking is their proof that supplementing NADH treats the deficiency or upregulates the processes depending on NADH. There are tons of vitamins, minerals, and cofactors that when supplemented do not increase circulating levels of said ingredient, or fix issues related with the ingredient.

I dont care. You got mad that I did not understand why one would supplement NADH.
 
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