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"Just another peptide cycle thread"

NOG

NOG

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Hi guys

I am currently cycling Mod grf 1-29 together with Ghrp-6 and frag HGH. I know there is a lot of speculation regarding the effects of frag HGH, but I have some friends who have successful results with the combination. This made me quite interested especially since they are pretty dumb when it come to dieting and AAS (they are practically "shooting" it like drugs), but never the less they are still getting good results with peptides of AAS cycles.

My main goal by this thread is to get some feedback from the people here at AM.

I am not doing any roids. My goals is to get better recovery between workout, reduce bf and hopefully adding some leanmuclemass.

The diet regime I am currently following is 40% karbs and protein and 20 % fat, with a total intake of 3200 calories. I weigh about 187 lbs (85 kg) with about 14 % bf. Starting next week I am reducing the daily intake of karbs with 20 % D1 and follow it for a week. If I lose to much weight (+ 0.5-1 kg) the thought is to add % karbs.

Strength training 4 days (push/pull split) and an mix of low and high intensity cardio 2 days on 1 off...

Peptide protocol:
Week 1: mod grf 40 mcg x 3, ghrp6 50 mcg x3 and frag hgh 60 mcg x2
Week 2: mod grf 80 mcg x 3, ghrp6 75 mcg x3 and frag hgh 100 mcg x2
Week 3-X: mod grf 100 mcg x 3, ghrp6 100 mcg x3 and frag hgh 120 mcg x2

grf+ghrp6+frag the minute i awake in the morning followed by some proteins (mainly bcaas) and cardo
grf+ghrp6 pwo and proteins
grf+ghrp6+frag 2 before bed, about 2 hours after last meal.

The idea by using this protocol is to raise level of GH previous of cardio to benefit form its fat burn abilities. By adding it pwo (strength) hopefully benefit from its anabolic values.

The idea is built on different searches on the web and hopefully its not to wrong, but please correct me..
 
956Vette said:
I like the plan, good luck. Feel free to double or triple those doses after some experimentation
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Thanks for your reply Vette

As you probably understood I am raising the intake of the peptide to :
"mod grf 100 mcg x 3, ghrp6 100 mcg x3 and frag hgh 120 mcg x2" weekly.

Are your suggestion to further elevate the dose to :
"mod grf 300 mcg x 3, ghrp6 300 mcg x3 and frag hgh 360 mcg x2"

I am on shaky grounds here, but regarding G6 I thought the saturation point is about 100 mcg depending on body weight (1mcg/kg). My understanding is also that if the dosing is to high you risk desensitization and also elevated levels of prolactin and cortisol. Regarding grf (GHRH analog) ive read several places that it can be used at 100mcg and as "high" as you want without any problems?

I may be a bit conservative when it comes to dosing, but I had a bad experience with igf1+MGF last year (got puffy nipples) causing me to approach this very cautiously.

This may be a protocol I can eventually stabilize the dosing on 100 - 200mcg of GHRP-6 + 100 - 500mcg+ of Grf x3-4 time a day?

I started the administration of my cycle 3 days ago ( mod grf 40 mcg x 3, ghrp6 50 mcg x3 and frag hgh 60 mcg x2) and I have already started to notice some chance. Generally I have problems falling to sleep and are very tired in the mornings, this is not a issue longer. When I injected the first shot I felt the huger issue which follows g6, but it was not as strong as many users has reported. Guess this is caused by the low dosing. The changes my be placebo, but I have started to get better sleep and that is a good start regardless placebo or not.

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Forgot one thing: I urinate twice as often now compared to normal circumstances, but I guess this is caused my diet and the cuts in carbs. 1 gram of glucose binds about 2 grams of water if I am not mistaken. Has anybody else noticed this? I am just curious.
 
I have been on this cycle for almost 2 weeks now and so far my weight have increased about 3 kgs (ca. 6 lbs). The fat % seems to have decreased a bit even though I have not done any training for 6 days. Last week ( 6 days ago) I had a accident and had to sew 4 stitches, removed the stitches just 2 days a go. The wound grew very fast and guess this is caused by the peptides and their ability to stimulate to higher HGH levels.

After a week I changed the protocol :
100 mcg of GHRP-6 + 100 mcg of Grf x3 and Frag HGH 2x120mcg daily.

At the moment I am not impressed of the frag HGH, I had higher expectations in regards of fat burn in the stomach area, but I may be a bit impatient. The dosing of frag is currently low, but I will gradually increase the daily dose.

Will post further progress in a week or so..
 
Took some days off last week (4d) and have now continued the Ghrp6/Grf1-29/frag cycle. Compared to the earlier posts I have done some changes in regards of dosing. I have increased the grf dose and instead of taking 2 shots of frag hgh with a low dosage (100mcg), I now inject it once daily before bed (250 mcg).

After I increase the dosage of frag I "almost immediately" (few days) saw that my waist line was smaller and the muscles in my abs became more visible. I have not tested the effects of several injections of frag with 250 mcg as dose, but my opinion is that it works best with one "high" dose before bedtime.

My sleep Is very good and I always feel "alive" when I have awoken.

In regards of packing on muscles, it is to early to notice any development, but my triceps and pecs have become more defined and looks bigger. My strength is progressing, I become stronger and stronger for each workout. Not much, but on exercises like squat, deadlift, romanian deadlift I increase the load with 5-10 kg (10-20 lbs) every workout. My recovery after exercise and energy levels during exercise Is much better then before this cycle.

In four week or so I will post pictures from start to "then" so that you can see the improvements.

Currently this is my regime
3X(100 mcg of GHRP-6 + 120 mcg of Grf) and Frag HGH 250mcg daily.
 
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Doseages so far look good. I always read that you want to seperate the Frag and GHRP/GHRH doseages as the frag will cause a release in FFA and this will blunt the effect of the GHRP/GHRH.

Still checking on this as im not completely sure, and there seems to be conflicting info.
 
This is new information for me, I have not read this anywhere. Please let me know if you find any sources that supports this information. It would be interesting reading. Also if anybody has better experiences with frag hgh in a singel injection vs. combining several peptides in one shot, please let me know.. The different peptides are still relatively "new" and it looks like many people still are trying to figure out how to use them in order to harvesting their best abilities.
 
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good posts dude, very interesting. ill be following along so im looking forward to more updates.
 
heebs10 said:
good posts dude, very interesting. ill be following along so im looking forward to more updates.
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Thanks alot for your support Heebs.

I will keep posting as things progress.


In regards of strength training some of my muscle groups has now stopped to increase in strength. This is mainly the smaller ones like biceps, triceps and latissimus. They have actually decreased in strength. The reason behind this (my opinion) is simply that they are small muscle groups, and I cant expect the same progression as in the exercises involving the larger muscles and muscle groups. During the last weeks I have increased the load from workout to work out and in exercises like deadlift, squats and "stifflegged deadlift" the muscle involved are responding well. To day I actually went from 90 kg (max last week) to 110kg in stifflegged deadlift 6 reps).

Because the results are starting to stagnate I am thinking that I am either pushing my body to hard and/or my exercise program need to be adjusted (variance). What has this to do with the peptides? Well I did not expect the same effect of peptides as AAS, and for those who though that I am sorry, they dont work that well. Even so I am still amazed by the strength progression I have had so fare.

As I have mentioned in earlier posts I feel my recovery has improved, caused by the peptides. In regards of gaining muscle I can't see anything. But right now my weight is status quo, and since my bf is decreasing I am guessing the peptides are giving me some muscle gains.

Starting next week I am going of standard strength training, let the body recover for some days and train crossfit for 4 weeks or so. My goal for the next month or so will be to find the threshold between how hard I can train and still get gains in every muscle.

I am still using this protocol 3X(100 mcg of GHRP-6 + 120 mcg of Grf) and Frag HGH 250mcg daily. But if I get any information supporting 3clipseGT claims I will adjust inject frag solo before going to bed.
 
I am definitely getting leaner and not just around the injections sites on the stomach area, the peptides I am running has a god effect overall. Some strange things has happened lately, rashes on injections sites and I also see some hematoms. Considering trying ghrp2 when I am out of ghrp6 and possibly adding Peg mgf, but need to read up on those two first...
 
no problem dude. interesting results so far. are you running anything other then the peptides?
 
Hey and thanks again for support, I just want to spread my experiences so that somebody may find this helpful.

I am not running anything else then the peptides, but i am considering test. susp. in a few months.

Will be back with more info in a few days, dont have the time to write so much right now..
 
Hi again.

I have been on the following peptides for 6 weeks now (Ghrp6, Ghrh( grf mod 1-29) and Frag hgh. During the first 4 weeks I experienced a good reduction i BF, better sleep and recovery. Lastly and unexpectedly my strength with about 25 % in major muscle groupsbi (hams, quads, hips, lower back, traps) and about 20 % in minor ones ( chest, tri/bi-ceps, sholders, lats). During the first 4 week I depend to much on the recovery abilities of the peptides and designed a exercise program with to fast progression (sets, load and reps) and as you can see only bigger muscle groups where able to cope. At the end of that period I also experienced a negative progression in exercises I earlier described as minor muscles groups. To sum it up I trained to much and to hard. Even so I am pretty much amazed over the strength progression I have had so far, and this emphasize the importance of don't train to hard even tough using gear. Finding a threshold between "constant" progression and increasing the load at the same time is hard, but achievable.

The protocol I used at week 1 (w1) was 50 mcg Grf/ghrp6 and 80 mcg frag hgh x 3 times day(weakening up/post training/before bed) where I combined the three substances. For each week I have increased the dosage of grf/ghrp6 with 10 mcg.

At w4 I separated the grf/ghrp6 injections from frag hgh and started to inject frag solo before bed with a higher dose (250 mcg). My experience is that frag hgh works better at a higher dose. It is hard to say it was the separation which made it more efficient since there are mainly two variables, (1:higher dose, 2: I have not tried to run frag multiple times a day with higher dose).

Potency: The last weeks I been busy at work, long days and little time to focus on diet. My diet is solid concerning macro and micro nutrients, but since I cant eat every third hour (which is the trick for me when losing bf) I feel my output in terms of loosing bf has lost some of its potency.

Timing: I feel and have read alot about carbs/fat blunt gh..... This is probably where I have the longest distance to go. After every injection I wait 30 mins before eating, i am following the general instructions for how to use peptides, but I still need to design a plan which optimizes the timing..
 
Hope you guys can help me with this one..

I have always used the same syringe when injecting my peptides. By this I mean my peptides are combined in the same syringe and I injected it as a mixture.

Recently I read claims that this is not the way to do it (still waiting on the answer to why) and they argue that you should first inject X then inject Y separately. Any thoughts regarding this?
 
NOG said:
Hope you guys can help me with this one..

I have always used the same syringe when injecting my peptides. By this I mean my peptides are combined in the same syringe and I injected it as a mixture.

Recently I read claims that this is not the way to do it (still waiting on the answer to why) and they argue that you should first inject X then inject Y separately. Any thoughts regarding this?
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They claim that the durability worsen when different peptides is mixed. This is caused by increased chance for electron division among the peptides. Which result in changes in their 3 dimensional structure and is not guarantied binding to the receptors.

This is far beyond my expertise, but there is no problem if you inject the peptides as a mixture. As long as they have not been laying in the same syringe for more then a few hours.
 
Alot has happen recently.

Last Thursday I was out of mod grf and ran ghrp6 solo during that weekend. I increase the dose from 3x100 mcg to 3x150mcg for some idiotic reason. On following Saturday I woke up with a lump 2 cm left of my left nipple. I started immediately with Nolvadex 60 mg first day, second day 30 mg, because of nolvas half life I just added the dose needed to keep the levels a about 60 mg. Now over a week later the lump has been reduced by 75%. The lump would possibly subsided in growth earlier if i had used a higher dose of nolva, but I find it really hard on the body at doses higher the 60mg. I will continue to use nolva for a while.

Last Thursday I got a new supply of mod grf and has used it since, and running g6 at 50 mcg and grf at 100mcg.

I knew it was possible to get gyno from ghrp6 (which I believe is the cause), but it is very rare.

Besides the drawbacks of my current cycle I am still getting stronger, and I have become noticeably more muscular. My sleep quality is extremely good. Wake up a bit groggy, but after half a hour or so my energy levels are perfect. During the last week Ive started to experience insane pumps, which is new. Did not get it during the first weeks.

My bf is slowly decreasing, but the frag HGH dose not meet my expectations. Dont feel it has so much of a punch as many report of. Have 4 vials left, and wont buy anymore when their used up. Now Im up to 1 shot a day 300 mcg.

Still getting rashes and little wounds at the injection sites. Have started to rotate the injection site more often now, then in the beginning. Dont get hugers after ghrp6 injections any more. Seems like the body adjusts to that.

Currently my conclusion is that ghrp+ghrh is a very good combo in regard of better sleep (recovery), gaining mass (dose take time though) and strength, but if you gyno prone you got to be careful and be ready to take the consequence. As ive said im disappointed with frag hgh.
 
thanks for the update, Nog. i hope the gyno lump clears up
 
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