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ffyoung

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I'm 5'6" bout 148 in good shape, I started out about 130 but now I'm stuck. Ive got the nutrition and workouts down what and how to take this stuff is what I need help with.

Test 250 and Deca

I've asked around and got several opinions

.5cc of each every 4 days is what I'm doing, right or wrong I don't know. Looking for advice
 
How old are you? If you think you have nutrition and workout right, lay out a days diet here, and the rough weekly workout schedule.
 
I'm 31, I think I've got it down or what's worked so far

Protein as soon as I wake up, hour and half later 4 egg whites 2 whole eggs,
Bout 2 hours later another shake
Lunch two containers of tuna
Small bit of protein before gym
Another shake after gym
Usually chicken breast, brown rice, and a veggie for supper
One more freaking shake right before bed

Mon chest
Tues back
Wed legs
Thurs arms
Fri should
 
That is not anywhere close to "having nutrition down", and that is probably half the reason you have hit a wall. 3 or 4 shakes a day is kind of crazy, and it looks like you have nothing in carbs till dinner?

And can you elaborate more on the workout, some specifics like which exercises, rep range, # of sets etc.

For injectibles, you never talk about them in terms of ml, always in mg. So if the testosterone is 250/ml you are taking 125mg every 4 days (which probably isn't enough). With the deca, there is no telling without you looking at it. Deca varies from 100mg/ml to 400mg/ml.
 
EasyEJL said:
That is not anywhere close to "having nutrition down", and that is probably half the reason you have hit a wall. 3 or 4 shakes a day is kind of crazy
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Exactly what my first thought was, as well.

When you can't gain -- eat more. When you still can't gain, eat even more ;)

And if for some reason you can't gain anymore, then go see a doctor.
 
Workout I usually do 3 to 4 exercises per body part, with 4 sets 10,8,6,4 try to use weight where I fail at end of set.

Lookin for help here fellas
 
ffyoung said:
Workout I usually do 3 to 4 exercises per body part, with 4 sets 10,8,6,4 try to use weight where I fail at end of set.

Lookin for help here fellas
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We're wanting to, and trying to help, but the steroids probably were pretty unnecessary here. Strength gains tend to peter out if you don't take regular breaks, and significantly change up your workout at least every 3 months, potentially as often as 6 weeks. And the diet really needs some help. We can help you put together a more appropriate diet at least, and point you to some other workout routines to switch to.
 
EasyEJL said:
We're wanting to, and trying to help, but the steroids probably were pretty unnecessary here. Strength gains tend to peter out if you don't take regular breaks, and significantly change up your workout at least every 3 months, potentially as often as 6 weeks. And the diet really needs some help. We can help you put together a more appropriate diet at least, and point you to some other workout routines to switch to.
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This.

Easy is a really great person to get advice from here on the boards. We're definitely going to help. We're just quick to point out that anabolics aren't likely the next best logical step (we see conversations and threads similar to yours countless times each day). It might not be what you want to hear right now, but we are trying to help.
 
Trust me I'll be greatfull, I also snack On PB&J, almonds and yogurt throughout the day. I already bought the anabolics though. I'm takin any advise you'll throw my way
 
well, first you need to find out what the concentration of your deca is, how many mg/ml it is. on the diet, right now you have this

meal 1 Protein as soon as I wake up
meal 2 4 egg whites 2 whole eggs
meal 3 another shake
meal 4 two containers of tuna
meal 5 Small bit of protein before gym
meal 6 Another shake after gym
meal 7 chicken breast, brown rice, and a veggie for supper
meal 8 One more freaking shake right before bed

first thing you have to look at is whether you are eating that frequently because you've been told to repetitively, or is it because you can't manage to eat enough in 3 or 4 meals so have to snack in between. Or is it that you can't go more than 2-3 hours without feeling hungry and low energy?

the nuts + pb are good source of fat, so thats a plus. Yogurt is ok, most commercial regular yogurts are fairly bad ingredient wise, the greek yogurts are an exception.
 
As far as diet ive just been told protein protein protein. So that's what I do, I can't eat a lot in one sitting so smaller meals every few hours helps me out. I am hungry between sometimes hence the snacks. But never weak or low energy.
 
Ok as a suggestion, try something more like this then. you may still need to alter it some to fit your schedule

meal 1 6 whole eggs
meal 2 multigrain wrap with chicken or beef, can be store bought roast beef for convenience
meal 3 two containers of tuna (add some olive oil or nuts here, carbs wouldn't be bad either)
meal 4 BCAAs before gym
meal 5 shake after gym
meal 6 chicken breast, brown rice, and a veggie for supper
meal 7 cottage cheese or greek yogurt, adding nuts or pb is ok
 
ffyoung said:
Testodex Enanthate 250
Says each ml contains 250mg

Nandrodex 300
Each ml contains 300mg
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well, 250mg/wk of testosterone won't see much in gains depending on how long you are on. I'd think that either going to 375 or 500 is a better bet. The deca isn't bad at 300mg/wk, but keep in mind deca is a long ester, so results don't even start really till near 5 weeks in, and using it 12-14 weeks is usually the norm.
 
I can get more, you said 375 to 500 a week, and deca is good at 300. Is my size a factor being 150 lbs as to how much to use. One more question is it ok to take that amount every seven days as opposed to breaking it up every 3 or 4 days. And I should do it for 14 weeks for best results?

2ml of test 250 a week. Puts me at 500mg
Should I take that in one shot or break it up

1ml of deca puts me at 300mg
Again one shot a week

Keep this up for 14 weeks

And listen to you and read a lil more on nutrition

????????
 
Probably break up the testosterone, not totally necessary but will be easier than a single 3ml injection. 14 weeks is good if you don't mind going that long. What are your plans for PCT?
 
ffyoung said:
I honestly don't know, gonna need help there to. I was just gonna take an estrogen blocker or somethin
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that is a recipe for poor recovery. There is a whole subforum for that, you should start reading through. There isn't any 1 simple perfect answer, so you'll need to decide for yourself.

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Just a note here about the diet. The type of food you eat is not going to make a difference in putting you over a plateau if you don't know what your caloric intake and macronutrients are. The more precise you can be on that, the better your results will be. Start using a tracker like myfitnesspal.com to record your food. That way you will be able to see precisely how many calories, grams of protein, and carbohydrates you're taking in, and will be able to adjust them according to your needs.

Also, as others have said, the risk/reward ratio for AAS is NOT worth it for you at 148, even considering the fact that you are 5'6". Do not underestimate how far you can go with a precise diet and maximal effort in the gym.
 
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