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Comparison between PHs and steroids

navidd85

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Can anyone please compare PHs and steroids? I really want to know the difference between them and advantage and disadvantage of them. What I know is that steroids are injectable and have the advantage of not going through the liver.
But why some people who can have access to steroids still use PHs? Low dosage of steroids is equivalent to PHs.
 
You got me... I won't ever touch ph/designors again... test is king...better results that are more keepable...
 
In general, the primary difference is that prohormones/prosteroids need to be metabolized/converted by the body into active compounds after ingestion while steroids are already in an active form.

Not all steroids are injectable and there are several true oral steroids (e.g. Anadrol, Dianabol).

Also, some compounds that people consider to be prohormones are actually steroids. 4-AD, 1-AD, and 19-nor are all examples of prohormones that convert to other compounds after being metabolized.
 
otc ph/ds= more side effects, less gains, less keepable gains

illicit aas= some sides, illegal, big higher quality gains
 
jbryand101b said:
this couldn't be further from the truth.
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i was stating that IN MY EXPERIENCE....

some people do very well with designer supplements..... i seem to have gyno issues/sexdrive issues/ shutdown (sd) with designers...


and to top it off, im pretty sure most of them arent whats listed on the bottle..... how do dht derivatives make people lactate?? i dont get it, everywhere i look it says they shouldnt..... yet, ive lactated/had my gyno blow up on EVERY designer supplement ive ever used....

then i run a primo/winny stack..... NO ISSUES AT ALL
 
you just havn't ran the right compounds.

superdrol isn't a designer steroid either. it is just another old school forgotten anabolic steroid.

winstrol is a steroid that binds to the pr, acting like a serm does, blocking it from progestin binding to and interacting with it, and the primo's androgenic effects would help dry you up even more.

pro hormones have exactly the same side effects as the steroids they resemble, or convert into, or even less.

if you dont get good conversion, you dont get any sides, or gains.

a better comparison would be oral methylated steroids can have worse side effects.

dosage/cycle length will be what makes or brakes you with side effects.

and as always, more gains, more sides. that is the way it is. you gotta pay to play.

you want huge gains? your gonna have to take the side effects that are going to come with it. doesn't matter if it's injectable, or oral. pro hormone, or active steroid.
 
Sure with injectables you don't get the blood pressure and liver issues you get with methyls but you get potential gyno and permanent nut shrinkage along with the so called keepable gains as well as a criminal record.

Personally, I enjoy a low dose Superdrol cycle over an extended period of time.

And it's been debated before, gains from exogenous hormones are NOT keepable. You will always go back to your genetic limit over time once the cycle ends.
 
high bp will happen from w/e steroid you are using. it is a side effect of androgens.

the stronger the steroid, the more negative side effects it will have.
 
luclyluciano said:
Sure with injectables you don't get the blood pressure and liver issues you get with methyls but you get potential gyno and permanent nut shrinkage along with the so called keepable gains as well as a criminal record.

Personally, I enjoy a low dose Superdrol cycle over an extended period of time.

And it's been debated before, gains from exogenous hormones are NOT keepable. You will always go back to your genetic limit over time once the cycle ends.
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not sure what you mean by this.

are you saying if i put on muscle with roids when im 25, by when im 40 i am bound to have lost all of my muscle gained with steroids?

its really hard to tell if someone is at their genetic limit. i mean......you can get pretty huge without being at your '' genetic limt''. What i mean to say is, you can probably gain a ton of muscle with steroids before hitting the 'natural limit' ceiling.

why use roids you say? efficiency.
 
If your worried about losing gains or aquiring new muscle mass that is not keepable, my advise is to leave steroids AND pro hormones alone. The first few cycles you'll bounce back ok, especially if your younger. Once you get closer to 30 yrs old you dont bounce back quickly. A few more cycles and you dont bounce back at all. Anybody who tells you that you can keep some of it doesnt know **** from rice krispies!! You keep nothing. I repeat, you keep nothing!! You can keep some of it until your next cycle, but in time if you discontinue you keep nothing. Did I mention you keep NOTHING? And dont get pro hormones confused, just because its OTC now, doesnt mean your levels still wont fall off.
 
genetic limit. it's a hard thing to define. seems easy but different strokes an all.

I was stuck at 150lbs since I was 18. i ran my first cycle at 24, and kept about 10lbs of that. i've been all the way up to 185, im 170 now, and very happy with how I look.
 
you can actually keep gains from an injectable cycle easir than ph/ls(new term i coined since DS dont exist- ls stands for LEGAL STEROIDS)

however, you can also easily keep gains from orals if you know what ur doing

i gained 10lbs on epistane- kept all of it
 
jbryand101b said:
you just havn't ran the right compounds.

superdrol isn't a designer steroid either. it is just another old school forgotten anabolic steroid.

winstrol is a steroid that binds to the pr, acting like a serm does, blocking it from progestin binding to and interacting with it, and the primo's androgenic effects would help dry you up even more.

pro hormones have exactly the same side effects as the steroids they resemble, or convert into, or even less.

if you dont get good conversion, you dont get any sides, or gains.

a better comparison would be oral methylated steroids can have worse side effects.

dosage/cycle length will be what makes or brakes you with side effects.

and as always, more gains, more sides. that is the way it is. you gotta pay to play.

you want huge gains? your gonna have to take the side effects that are going to come with it. doesn't matter if it's injectable, or oral. pro hormone, or active steroid.
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ive run halodrol 50 (old school... the ones "spiked" with madol) and lactated
ive run the original superdrol and also a clone (methyl depot) and lactated/got gyno
ive run dimethazine (dzine) and lactated...

oh yeah... kickstarted that primo originally with epi, started lactating, dropped epi, problem solved

im obviously prone to certain side effects, but not one of those steroids should cause that problem.........


also, keeping gains comes down to diet, how far beyond genetic potential one is, and how hard they train, and rest for that matter...





i think if i was able to get my hands on some 4ad or some of the real PRO-HORMONES from the 04 ban, id have better luck...... from what i understand, they were much more predictable/safer
 
i think you need to run some more compounds as well.

i've ran 4-androstenediol, it's good. too much and you'll have gyno.

any how, first thing is first, you should know gyno is caused from multiple hormonal disruptions in the body. These disruptions start by using aas, and all aas have the ability to bind to the progestin receptor, with varying degrees of activity with it.

4-androstenediol, just like anything else, can be dangerous as well, run it at 1,000mg e/d, and you will get gyno.

m1t is another one from back in the day, and a very rough one as well.

winstrol has been shown to bind to the progestin receptor, but have zero interaction with it, creating a serm like effect.

when you take a look at a dht molecule, and a progestin molecule, you will be amazed at the similarities.

learning to master that hormonal ride takes a lot of time, and experimenting with different compounds, learning how to read your body.

steroids are so complicated. sigh.
 
CoorsLight126 said:
If your worried about losing gains or aquiring new muscle mass that is not keepable, my advise is to leave steroids AND pro hormones alone. The first few cycles you'll bounce back ok, especially if your younger. Once you get closer to 30 yrs old you dont bounce back quickly. A few more cycles and you dont bounce back at all. Anybody who tells you that you can keep some of it doesnt know **** from rice krispies!! You keep nothing. I repeat, you keep nothing!! You can keep some of it until your next cycle, but in time if you discontinue you keep nothing. Did I mention you keep NOTHING? And dont get pro hormones confused, just because its OTC now, doesnt mean your levels still wont fall off.
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Obviously u are not goign to be as big or strong on gear as off but a doctor friend of mine( cardiac surgeon was the head of tulane medical center and works with a endocrinologist) told me that gear PERMANTELY increases the number of muscle cells you have. So in theory he told me, it gives you greater genetic potential even if never using them again.
 
luclyluciano said:
Sure with injectables you don't get the blood pressure and liver issues you get with methyls but you get potential gyno and permanent nut shrinkage along with the so called keepable gains as well as a criminal record.

Personally, I enjoy a low dose Superdrol cycle over an extended period of time.

And it's been debated before, gains from exogenous hormones are NOT keepable. You will always go back to your genetic limit over time once the cycle ends.
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permanent nut shrinkage??!! Really? I'm scared.:wtf:
 
navidd85 said:
permanent nut shrinkage??!! Really? I'm scared.:wtf:
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Again, I can't say definitively that this has never happened. However, I've never come across anyone who has experienced such a thing from a cycle of injectables (or PHs).

OP, with a question like this, you will get a ton of primarily subjective answers -- many of which have been influenced by broscience (as somebody hinted at already).

The functional difference between PHs and AAS are relatively clear as I pointed out earlier. Additionally, BOTH have the potential to cause side effects. AAS are largely illegal without a prescription, while many PHs and OTC active steroids (e.g. methasterone; i.e. superdrol) are legal and widely available.

Beyond objective information, most of the responses you'll see will be opinions based on personal experience and observation.
 
The way I see it is ph/designers are just precursors which means more work for your body to do to get the raw compound. This is done to avoid legal complications, correct me if I am wrong? I'll stick to some good old test E and its fellow derivatives
 
thewes said:
The way I see it is ph/designers are just precursors which means more work for your body to do to get the raw compound. This is done to avoid legal complications, correct me if I am wrong? I'll stick to some good old test E and its fellow derivatives
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I wish the term prohormone didnt sound so weak. it leads people to believe that prohormones aren't steroids and AAS is all that is legit.

Every single steroid once administered is a precursor to something. A large percentage of them utilize the HSD, aromatase, 5br, and 5ar enzymes. The ones that don't (steroids that resist these forms of metabolism) are metabolized via mainly sulphutase and glucuronidase enzymes.

So it goes like this(relatively): (>) = convert

prohormones: inactive prohormones > active aas > excretory metabolites

AAS: active aas > inactive prohormones > excretory metabolites

some steps are skipped in some cases, like say for example: if the ph m14add doesnt convert to active dianabol then it would be excreted before conversion to dianabol (it's "aas") or after conversion to whatever it really may convert to.

so as you can see it is a cycle, and aas have the advantage in that they are already active so they may work faster or hang around longer. That is the only conceivable advantage I see when comparing the two, disregarding administration method


Designer steroid can be a ph or active. that name just symbolizes the fact that it was created (or raised from the dead) in the recent decades
 
Bry17 said:
I wish the term prohormone didnt sound so weak. it leads people to believe that prohormones aren't steroids and AAS is all that is legit.

Every single steroid once administered is a precursor to something. A large percentage of them utilize the HSD, aromatase, 5br, and 5ar enzymes. The ones that don't (steroids that resist these forms of metabolism) are metabolized via mainly sulphutase and glucuronidase enzymes.

So it goes like this(relatively): (>) = convert

prohormones: inactive prohormones > active aas > excretory enzymes

AAS: active aas > inactive prohormones > excretory enzymes

some steps are skipped in some cases, like say for example: if the ph m14add doesnt convert to active dianabol then it would be excreted before conversion to dianabol (it's "aas") or after conversion to whatever it really may convert to.

so as you can see it is a cycle, and aas have the advantage in that they are already active so they may work faster or hang around longer. That is the only conceivable advantage I see when comparing the two, disregarding administration method


Designer steroid can be a ph or active. that name just symbolizes the fact that it was created (or raised from the dead) in the recent decades
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you put it so much nicer than me. ha ha ha, now i see why em dub mad ya a rep. youre a nice guy. :thumbsup:
 
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