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And a good test booster stacked with those medications couldnt hurt. Stay away from Bulk DAA though. It can actually cause anxiety. I reccomend Erase, and since Trib has been prove to activate testosterone receptors in the brain as apposed to actually increasing test, it might be perfect in helping with your mental libido issue:)
 
kingdong said:
And a good test booster stacked with those medications couldnt hurt. Stay away from Bulk DAA though. It can actually cause anxiety. I reccomend Erase, and since Trib has been prove to activate testosterone receptors in the brain as apposed to actually increasing test, it might be perfect in helping with your mental libido issue:)
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I would agree with this... first time I took Trib it was crazy... lets just say it was less than 8 hours from taking trib to smashing a new chick...
 
Conagher said:
Have you tried pramixeprole?This stuff will resurrect most peoples sex drive and confidence.Might need a mood stabilizer,though,given that you said you are bipolar.
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I wouldn't suggest anything that raises dopamine to bipolar people, could spell trouble.. manic episode. Even taking high amounts of test can cause this.
I'm not sure how mood stabilizers work though. There is one in particular that is very similar to Piracetam (it may be lamictal? not sure though), which works as a good mood stabilizer for bipolar people, without many if any side effects.

The best mood supporting supp/med I've ever taken was stablon (tianeptine). Got me bright n chatty, great mood.
 
Gutterpump said:
I wouldn't suggest anything that raises dopamine to bipolar people, could spell trouble.. manic episode. Even taking high amounts of test can cause this.
I'm not sure how mood stabilizers work though. There is one in particular that is very similar to Piracetam (it may be lamictal? not sure though), which works as a good mood stabilizer for bipolar people, without many if any side effects.

The best mood supporting supp/med I've ever taken was stablon (tianeptine). Got me bright n chatty, great mood.
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After having taken Pramipexole, I can definitely vouch for its' sexual effects as well as its' mood effects (finally made me feel normal; like I always knew people were SUPPOSED to feel if that makes any sense). Anywho, here's a study showing it's possible use in bipolar people: Invalid Link Removed. There are others out there, but I just wanted to post one up quickly. Just do a google search for "Pramipexole Bipolar", and you'll get a bunch of results. The studies are looking promising! Just watch out for the side effects of the Prami, 'cause they can be VICIOUS! I always wake up at 2:00am no matter when I go to bed, then fall asleep again. EVERY NIGHT! My body temperature increases pretty dramatically, and sometimes in the beginning you'll wake up nauseous. Other than that, it was great! I would ask a doctor before using it though, if I had to start over again.
 
Most Dr's would not agree with recreational prescription drug use. It's hard enough to get things for off-label use too. Most won't even do that.
I wish Stablon had a patent in North America. It's too bad. Such an amazing write up on it, with so many uses:

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True, most doctors wouldn't. That's why I don't go through doctors. It also eliminates my nerve pain in my legs, that I've been dealing with for years with 160mg Oxycontin daily (THAT they'll prescribe LOL!) But I'd hardly consider it recreational, as there's no euphoria. Just feelings of normalcy and adequacy.
 
Gutterpump said:
Most Dr's would not agree with recreational prescription drug use. It's hard enough to get things for off-label use too. Most won't even do that.
I wish Stablon had a patent in North America. It's too bad. Such an amazing write up on it, with so many uses:

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helps with carb cravings during dieting :)
 
Conagher said:
Have you tried pramixeprole?This stuff will resurrect most peoples sex drive and confidence.Might need a mood stabilizer,though,given that you said you are bipolar.
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I don't have a problem with my sex drive at all trust me. I was just saying whenever I was on an anti-depressant I had libido problems and after reading that it can become a permanent side effect, I said **** this and stopped taking that ****. I am actually much happier with out those types of pills, but still not happy. I get real lonely, but with not being that great socially this is a real big problem. Most people want money or to be famous. All I want is something I never had charisma.
 
That's what I was getting at with the Prami. It literally broke down my internal conflicts that were stopping me from talking to people. Not like liquid courage, or any other kind of drug. Conversations just came naturally, without fear or concern or nervousness. Either way, I'm sure you'll find what works for you. Just some friendly suggestions here!
 
DerickVonD said:
I don't have a problem with my sex drive at all trust me. I was just saying whenever I was on an anti-depressant I had libido problems and after reading that it can become a permanent side effect, I said **** this and stopped taking that ****. I am actually much happier with out those types of pills, but still not happy. I get real lonely, but with not being that great socially this is a real big problem. Most people want money or to be famous. All I want is something I never had charisma.
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helps to have a good wingman who is charismatic... learn from the jedi young one! but in all seriousness, I understand.. I am not a people person at all but through good friends have been able to broaden my horizons...
 
diablosho said:
That's what I was getting at with the Prami. It literally broke down my internal conflicts that were stopping me from talking to people. Not like liquid courage, or any other kind of drug. Conversations just came naturally, without fear or concern or nervousness. Either way, I'm sure you'll find what works for you. Just some friendly suggestions here!
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I never heard of it before. Odds are if it doesn't have a generic it isn't covered with my insurance.
 
Force yourself into awkward situations where you're not comfortable. You'll get better by just doing it. It will be hard at first but eventually it will feel more natural. Go over stuff in your head so you kinda have a prepared conversation.
 
JComp said:
Force yourself into awkward situations where you're not comfortable. You'll get better by just doing it. It will be hard at first but eventually it will feel more natural. Go over stuff in your head so you kinda have a prepared conversation.
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I do that a little already. I even thought about using weed to help me, or maybe even HGH if I could afford it. Was looking at this Invalid Link Removed I heard HGH can help with depressiong, but I can't afford this right now. I'm living of of $315 a month after what I pay my stepdad. I have no earned income I'm living on SSI.
 
diablosho said:
That's what I was getting at with the Prami. It literally broke down my internal conflicts that were stopping me from talking to people. Not like liquid courage, or any other kind of drug. Conversations just came naturally, without fear or concern or nervousness. Either way, I'm sure you'll find what works for you. Just some friendly suggestions here!
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Agreed.Love the stuff.Like you said,aside from the occasional nausea and raised body temperature,best social drug out there in my opinion.
 
Gutterpump said:
I wouldn't suggest anything that raises dopamine to bipolar people, could spell trouble.. manic episode. Even taking high amounts of test can cause this.
I'm not sure how mood stabilizers work though. There is one in particular that is very similar to Piracetam (it may be lamictal? not sure though), which works as a good mood stabilizer for bipolar people, without many if any side effects.

The best mood supporting supp/med I've ever taken was stablon (tianeptine). Got me bright n chatty, great mood.
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Lamictal has some serious sides,would be leary of this one.Lithium would probably be a safer bet.Ironically,Abilify is a dopamine agonist similar to prami,and Abilify is marketed as a mood stabilizer.The main difference between the two is that prami works on several dopamine receptors,where as Abilify targets D2 mainly.Abilify is insanely expensive,also.
 
DerickVonD said:
I do that a little already. I even thought about using weed to help me, or maybe even HGH if I could afford it. Was looking at this Invalid Link Removed I heard HGH can help with depressiong, but I can't afford this right now. I'm living of of $315 a month after what I pay my stepdad. I have no earned income I'm living on SSI.
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Thats not really HGH and I dont think it will help you in this situation.... dont get me wrong, I like the product but wouldnt use it for this purpose as I doubt you will get any bang for the buck.

I used to smoke a LOT of pot and it helped me but after 10 years smoking daily it started having the opposite effect so I quit...
 
Pramipexole is the generic name...It's brand name is Mirapex. I would highly suggest Prami before any SSRI's or other Anti-depressants, benzos, or any other drugs. Not to mention you can buy it from Research Chem places (which is what I do).
 
diablosho said:
Pramipexole is the generic name...It's brand name is Mirapex. I would highly suggest Prami before any SSRI's or other Anti-depressants, benzos, or any other drugs. Not to mention you can buy it from Research Chem places (which is what I do).
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Agreed.Abilify is another good choice.My doctor told me Abilify is her #1 go to antidepressant,and she has seen very few problems with it,even in people that are bipolar.
 
You know after you've been on a pethera of anti-depressants since age 9 and the doctors tell you there is a new one out and oh it's really good and you take it and it helps for about two months and then has no benefit. After awhile you think hey these pills don't do **** to help me. Which is why I am curious about plants maybe helping like marijuana, saint johns wort, ect. The only thing that really seems to help is getting laid and that doesn't happen often because of my social disorder which makes me more depressed in the first place.
 
diablosho said:
True, most doctors wouldn't. That's why I don't go through doctors. It also eliminates my nerve pain in my legs, that I've been dealing with for years with 160mg Oxycontin daily (THAT they'll prescribe LOL!) But I'd hardly consider it recreational, as there's no euphoria. Just feelings of normalcy and adequacy.
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Yep,not a euphoric drug.Just makes me feel happy,sociable,energetic and brings back my dormant sex drive.Every one`s experience may not be the same,though.
 
Incidentally, getting laid raises dopamine a lot, which coincidentally, is what Pramipexole imitates! After you're "finished", your dopamine is spent, which causes you to experience the "refractory period", caused by the subsequent increase in Prolactin. Prami is basically synthetic dopamine, thus used to inhibit prolactin. As such, at a certain dosage, in MANY people, the "refractory period" is GREATLY reduced. Anywho, marijuana will help for a little while, but in my experience leads to an EXTREME social inhibition with people you don't smoke with. The only people you'll be comfortable even talking to are people that either you 1) do smoke with, or 2) could possibly smoke with. Any friend you had before smoking will eventually disappear, and when you finally hit bottom, you'll wonder where they went. And then you'll ask them, and they'll say you drove them away. Happens to every pot head, and I have yet to see a smoker that doesn't end up a pot head (and I've met a LOT of smokers in my "old line of work", and I've seen the transformation first hand). The only other drug I've ever taken that GREATLY increased my sociability is Oxycontin (which I would NOT recommend BTW). The only reason I know is because I'm pretty much stuck on it for life, and I noticed that when I take it, my creative side of the brain is stimulated (art, English, Communications, all the Liberal Arts BS). My logic side goes to hell, but as far as meeting people, bar none, it is the absolute BEST social lubricant.
 
DerickVonD said:
My old physiatrist had me on a celexa abilify mix. Even at 10mg I felt out of it and not good.
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I was prescribed Celexa for my Social Anxiety, and I attempted suicide about 3-4 weeks later. Just sayin'! That's some scary ****!

Edit: It may have been Prozac actually, I'm not sure. I've got a bottle of both, but I'm not sure which one it is that I DIDN'T take!!! Damn military doctors shoving pills down my throat...!
 
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DerickVonD said:
You know after you've been on a pethera of anti-depressants since age 9 and the doctors tell you there is a new one out and oh it's really good and you take it and it helps for about two months and then has no benefit. After awhile you think hey these pills don't do **** to help me. Which is why I am curious about plants maybe helping like marijuana, saint johns wort, ect. The only thing that really seems to help is getting laid and that doesn't happen often because of my social disorder which makes me more depressed in the first place.
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yep! when I was on the meds... each time I would go to the doc's office he would have new posters on the wall and low and behold he would switch me to that product..... go back a few months later.. and new posters and new scrip.. bunch of horse****... i felt like **** on all those pills (effexor, lexapro..) f that...

working out has been the best drug I have ever done.
 
Woman love juice monkeys. You could be the ugliest mofo in the world, if you are 5'1" 230 lbs of solid muscle, woman will throw themselves at you.
 
diablosho said:
Definitely has been the best as far as confidence, that is for sure! Not to mention I am pretty short (5'5), so building more muscle does WONDERS for the psyche.
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Well working out helps a lot but I'm still lonely as ****. I'm supposed to go over to a friend of mines house, one of my only female friends and get high with her. Idk what will come out of it I've liked her for awhile but I'm "like a brother to her." She's single again too, which she hasn't been in like 3 years but she could get a bf real quick. I ****ed up the only opportunity I had with her, because I had a gf at the time who dumped me a month after my opportunity pasted. **** me for staying faithful.
 
DerickVonD said:
Well working out helps a lot but I'm still lonely as ****. I'm supposed to go over to a friend of mines house, one of my only female friends and get high with her. Idk what will come out of it I've liked her for awhile but I'm "like a brother to her." She's single again too, which she hasn't been in like 3 years but she could get a bf real quick. I ****ed up the only opportunity I had with her, because I had a gf at the time who dumped me a month after my opportunity pasted. **** me for staying faithful.
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How to get out of the friend zone = dont be too nice.. not a complete ass, but dont be nice. pick on her a little but joking around... it will work... its how I get outta the friend zone when I am too nice to a chick and get shoveled into it.
 
StangBanger said:
How to get out of the friend zone = dont be too nice.. not a complete ass, but dont be nice. pick on her a little but joking around... it will work... its how I get outta the friend zone when I am too nice to a chick and get shoveled into it.
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I don't know if I can with her, because we have been friends for 5 years. I don't drive and most likely she will find someone soon. It never fails, but I'm holding out hope. It's ironic I like her and her cousin. Her cousin is in MD visiting but she lives in Georgia.
 
Brah, it sounds like you're seriously lacking confidence in yourself and it shows. Now if we can see it, I'm sure the women will too. You got dig into your own swagger and strut your sh*t! Women like men with confidence. Just think your yourself as a badass!
 
DerickVonD said:
I don't know if I can with her, because we have been friends for 5 years. I don't drive and most likely she will find someone soon. It never fails, but I'm holding out hope. It's ironic I like her and her cousin. Her cousin is in MD visiting but she lives in Georgia.
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you can do it... tell yourself.. you can do it... be funny by jokingly picking on her... here's the tip - if she responds negatively but is smiling you are doing it right.

gotta NOT GIVE A F about what other people think... its not easy but I been there.. and now I gotz game! I was in your shoes... you can do this bro!
 
I ****ed up the only opportunity I had with her, because I had a gf at the time who dumped me a month after my opportunity pasted. **** me for staying faithful.[/QUOTE]

I have been there.It sounds bad,but I will never commit myself to one woman again.You pass up other opportunities because you want to do the right thing,but inevitably the relationship your in falls apart anyway,then you are left asking yourself "why didn`t I f*** that other girl when I had the chance"?
 
What I would do (which does NOT make it the right thing to do :D) is just kiss her at the end of the night after y'all were hanging out. If she responds negatively, tell her you want to be more than just friends. Plant the seed man. Even if she says no at THAT point, once you go home, she'll spend all night thinking about it. Then, the next time you see her, she will have made up her mind about whether she was willing to go to the next step or not. I HIGHLY doubt she'd break off your friendship over a kiss, so I don't think you have anything to lose. Gotta force her hand, cause once in the "friends" category, they get complacent (even if you aren't). Just a suggestion, maybe others can chime in on this suggestion. Makes sense to me though.
 
Conagher said:
I have been there.It sounds bad,but I will never commit myself to one woman again.You pass up other opportunities because you want to do the right thing,but inevitably the relationship your in falls apart anyway,then you are left asking yourself "why didn`t I f*** that other girl when I had the chance"?
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and then you'll end up 50 years old, never married, no kids, hot younger women only interested in you for your money (and only if you have enough to be meaningful) and you'll say "what do I leave behind when I die, nothing" and regret it. I know a number of guys who reached that point
 
EasyEJL said:
and then you'll end up 50 years old, never married, no kids, hot younger women only interested in you for your money (and only if you have enough to be meaningful) and you'll say "what do I leave behind when I die, nothing" and regret it. I know a number of guys who reached that point
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I was thinking the same thing. When I was younger, I said the same thing as Conagher, 'cause I was SO tired of getting used by women. Tired of falling in love after dating for several months, only to find out that they leave you at the first sign of money trouble, never there for you when you are having problems, etc. So my heart became cold, unable to form emotional attachments with women (a protection mechanism, I suppose). But then as I got older, I realized I wanted to have a family, I wanted to have kids, and the house in the country with the white picket fence, and the woman to come home to after a long day of work, with a beer in her hand and food in the oven. Then I realized that I did not know a single woman that I cared for enough to have that! The best I could hope for was a child out of wedlock, paying child-support to a woman I would eventually loathe. When you rule out long-lasting love and marriage, you rule out the possibility of a meaningful relationship that provides a strong foundation for raising a family, and almost guarantee yourself to be unhappy in the future. Marriage=stability, and I guarantee you'll get hurt many times before you find it (as I have). Now, all my friends are married (as are most of the girls my age...and/or pregnant, making dating more difficult as I get older), and I'm the "single friend" that isn't included when they go out with their wives in "double-date" kinda situations, because it's too awkward to be the third/fifth wheel.
 
At 25 its still not bad, I had already been divorced once by then, and didn't marry my second (and last) wife till 27. You really just need to look at the types of women you meet, and where/how you are meeting them. I mean seriously, if you meet a chick half drunk at a club is it all that surprising that she ends up being a party girl and is unreliable? No. Meet a girl at a Tai Chi class, or at Barnes + Noble and at least theres a chance she's not entirely psycho.
 
I did forget to mention she has a kid, which I know complicates ****. I still like her though, but **** that does complicate things.
 
DerickVonD said:
I did forget to mention she has a kid, which I know complicates ****. I still like her though, but **** that does complicate things.
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Pausing for a second, do you really want to be involved with a girl who is 22 with a child and smokes weed? Not really the best mom material.
 
EasyEJL said:
At 25 its still not bad, I had already been divorced once by then, and didn't marry my second (and last) wife till 27. You really just need to look at the types of women you meet, and where/how you are meeting them. I mean seriously, if you meet a chick half drunk at a club is it all that surprising that she ends up being a party girl and is unreliable? No. Meet a girl at a Tai Chi class, or at Barnes + Noble and at least theres a chance she's not entirely psycho.
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I don't like bars one bit. The only time I'm in a bar is if they have good bands playing and I'm with a friend. Other than that I don't like going to them. There are always abunch of douches there and I don't drink. If I did drink, I'd embarrass myself guaranteed.
 
EasyEJL said:
Pausing for a second, do you really want to be involved with a girl who is 22 with a child and smokes weed? Not really the best mom material.
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eh you're probably right dude. When I wrote some of that stuff I was in one of my moods, which I find does interfere with my logic sometimes lol.
 
DerickVonD said:
I wish I had a time machine, so I could travel bad in time, to a time before all that crap.
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LOL! Don't worry about it dude! Honestly though, give up the weed man. It's cool to meet guy friends that way if it helps, but seriously, responsible, ethical, moral women (i.e. GOOD women) don't want to be with a man that smokes weed, and as such, if you are smoking weed with a woman, she is inherently irresponsible (for the most part). I'm sure exceptions exist, but I have yet to find one.

And Easy, that sucks about the divorce thing. That's what I keep telling myself, because I do have a lot of friends that had been divorced (but then again, I was in the military, so I always chock it up to the military hardship). I myself have been engaged twice, and both times they left me while I was deployed (I only deployed twice too! LOL). And yes, they kept the rings. So ya, it has taken a few years for me to start dating again, but I guess it's the old "biological clock" ticking away; the one EVERY guy says doesn't exist when they're in public! LOL! I just feel like my odds go down with every year, and I feel like if I don't find a "wife" in college, I'll be screwed! I'm not sure how many single women there are in the computer programming field, but I have a feeling my chances won't be so good there!!! It's difficult to keep those feelings at bay, but I realize I have to because women do NOT like a needy man. So, I just try not to worry about it too much, I just acknowledge that the feelings are there, and move on.
 
diablosho said:
LOL! Don't worry about it dude! Honestly though, give up the weed man. It's cool to meet guy friends that way if it helps, but seriously, responsible, ethical, moral women (i.e. GOOD women) don't want to be with a man that smokes weed, and as such, if you are smoking weed with a woman, she is inherently irresponsible (for the most part). I'm sure exceptions exist, but I have yet to find one.

And Easy, that sucks about the divorce thing. That's what I keep telling myself, because I do have a lot of friends that had been divorced (but then again, I was in the military, so I always chock it up to the military hardship). I myself have been engaged twice, and both times they left me while I was deployed (I only deployed twice too! LOL). And yes, they kept the rings. So ya, it has taken a few years for me to start dating again, but I guess it's the old "biological clock" ticking away; the one EVERY guy says doesn't exist when they're in public! LOL! I just feel like my odds go down with every year, and I feel like if I don't find a "wife" in college, I'll be screwed! I'm not sure how many single women there are in the computer programming field, but I have a feeling my chances won't be so good there!!! It's difficult to keep those feelings at bay, but I realize I have to because women do NOT like a needy man. So, I just try not to worry about it too much, I just acknowledge that the feelings are there, and move on.
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Well I only smoked it once 4 years ago, so I'm not giving much up lol. Was just getting desperate for some solution to my lonliness. And thanks guys for all the advice, you guys are pretty cool. I really do love this site, I think I only ran into one douche on here once lol. Wait your avatar is towely? lol that is sort of ironic.
 
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