SARMS Osta or S4??
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MidwestBeast
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I think most support it -- gets the levels built up quicker. If it's me doing it, I'd probably do 25mg for the first 3 days, then drop to 12.5mg/day from there on out and see how it goes. Really, the real answers/opinions will come out after people have had the opportunity to run a couple cycles and tinker with how they dose / pre-load it to assess changes.
Sklander
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Cool. Well, I'll definitely be apart of that population, as I start OSTA next week... last week of Hella. I am gonna go with how Rick dosed... 25mg first week (last week on cycle), then 12.5mg/ed till it runs out, I guess? I got some S4, too... I guess I'll run that right after the OSTA? Haha... lots of fun body changes coming. Love this ****, brotha.
Outstanding
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If this is your first time using OSTA, you'll be smiling from ear to ear, especially in PCT. I understanding making the bottle last and making your dollars stretch is important, but I would suggest considering keeping the dosage as a constant 25mg/day. Good luck and enjoy!
Sklander
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Okay... 
I just dosed this morning on an empty stomach. It numbed my mouth and tasted like rubber cement (this is good, from what I read). I don't know if it is placebo or what, but it felt like taking an amphetamine... instant feeling of energy and well being. I have been studying mol. bio., organic chemistry synth, and animal comm. for the past 6 hours with no stimulation, so it is doing something.
CAN'T WAIT TO HIT THE GYM TONIGHT. HOLY SH!T!!!!!
I just dosed this morning on an empty stomach. It numbed my mouth and tasted like rubber cement (this is good, from what I read). I don't know if it is placebo or what, but it felt like taking an amphetamine... instant feeling of energy and well being. I have been studying mol. bio., organic chemistry synth, and animal comm. for the past 6 hours with no stimulation, so it is doing something.
CAN'T WAIT TO HIT THE GYM TONIGHT. HOLY SH!T!!!!!
Outstanding
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Okay...
I just dosed this morning on an empty stomach. It numbed my mouth and tasted like rubber cement (this is good, from what I read). I don't know if it is placebo or what, but it felt like taking an amphetamine... instant feeling of energy and well being. I have been studying mol. bio., organic chemistry synth, and animal comm. for the past 6 hours with no stimulation, so it is doing something.
CAN'T WAIT TO HIT THE GYM TONIGHT. HOLY SH!T!!!!!
Excellent! It took three weeks for the outward physical transformation to become REALLY apparent... but that DOESN'T mean it doesn't start going to work from the very first dose!
schwellington
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Used OSTARINE TWICE!
ONCE- from SS- it worked- i sweated alot, shed fat(easily), and maintained ALL muscle mass(used it in pct)- and I have BLOODS to show it wasnt suppressive- to me- it did raise e2 though
second time- using it now- from same supplier as Bbell, and UM, and Rick Rock- so far Im getting THE EXACT same results as I did from SS- for about 70 bucks less
conclusion- SS is not the only one selling legit ostarine
further analysis- i will have a sample of this **** tested to make sure it is actually even ostarine, and not like winstrol suspended lol
but i know what winnie is like= this aint winstrol
ONCE- from SS- it worked- i sweated alot, shed fat(easily), and maintained ALL muscle mass(used it in pct)- and I have BLOODS to show it wasnt suppressive- to me- it did raise e2 though
second time- using it now- from same supplier as Bbell, and UM, and Rick Rock- so far Im getting THE EXACT same results as I did from SS- for about 70 bucks less
conclusion- SS is not the only one selling legit ostarine
further analysis- i will have a sample of this **** tested to make sure it is actually even ostarine, and not like winstrol suspended lol
but i know what winnie is like= this aint winstrol
schwellington
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I did this the last week of my 5 month cycle i dosed at 25mgs then dropped to 15mgs
no conclusion yet, but its only day 12 on ostarine, its just now picking up speed
Outstanding
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In response to the above post, I would say I never dosed BELOW 25mg on OSTA, but I also tried double-dosing for about 1 1/2 (maybe 2) weeks, and didn't see a drastic change above 25mg - so that is truly the sweet spot. I would advise all users to run their cycle with this dosage protocol.
bird901
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Hey schwellington, pm me the brand ur using now. I was gonna use ss, but I've been hearing some feedback about another place,( that's a sponsor on another board, not sure about here) for about 60 bucks less. Seems to be legit, probably what ur using. If it's gtg I'll use this other company from here on out.
Outstanding
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Hey Schwell, I totally forgot about the sweating - thanks for jarring my memory, I actually liked that effect! It was during the cold months, plus it aided in cutting up much faster, and also let me know it was working. Although, I ordered both of my OSTA cycles from the same place you mentioned, so there was ZERO doubt that it was legit.
Sklander
Member
Yeah, I noticed the 2nd day I took it that I was sweating more.
Does everyone else's taste like rubber cement kinda? Its just one hell of a new awful taste. lol
Bridge OSTA and S4
OSTA: 25/25/25/25/0/0/0/0
S$: 0/0/0/25/50/50/50
?
Could I take a low dose of letro (0.5mg/eod) with lower dose TOREM and 10 pmps FORMA, or is this overkill? I know I'd have to taper back out of the letro, but was thinking of running it for a few weeks to see if it tightens me up - holding some water...
Does everyone else's taste like rubber cement kinda? Its just one hell of a new awful taste. lol
Bridge OSTA and S4
OSTA: 25/25/25/25/0/0/0/0
S$: 0/0/0/25/50/50/50
?
Could I take a low dose of letro (0.5mg/eod) with lower dose TOREM and 10 pmps FORMA, or is this overkill? I know I'd have to taper back out of the letro, but was thinking of running it for a few weeks to see if it tightens me up - holding some water...
Outstanding
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Yes, everyone's. It's the calling card of SARMS! I would just drop the ml of liquid into a capsule, put the top on, and swallow it like a normal pill every dose. I don't care about the abused label of 'pride' known as 'hardcore.' When it comes to training and dieting, THAT is hardcore. When it comes to gagging and acting like you have the taste-buds of a super hero, I consider that silly and a meat-headed move, not hard core.
Sklander
Member
Bridge OSTA and S4? Keep liver support? Been doing cycle assist at one scoop daily on SARM/SERM 0.5mg letro eod... been doing nothing but snorkeling and diving training and its been awesome... I have a SLAP tear in my left shoulder and this OSTA is making it to where I can power my left arm as hard as my right under water swimming. Def. noticing some differences with how that SLAP tear feels.
OSTA: 25/25/25/25/0/0/0/0
S4: 0/0/0/25/50/50/50
???
OSTA: 25/25/25/25/0/0/0/0
S4: 0/0/0/25/50/50/50
???
Sklander
Member
I am very intersted to know about this... I study this subject in school... an organic chemist as a hobby and as I true love and passion... I see the molecule for mk2866... how is the molecule "not disclosed" if it has a CAS number and the structure is present right on the website? Have they made modifications to the molecule? If so, what are they? The molecule is incredible if you put it into something like pymol and construct an androgen receptor then see how the active site align with mk2866 - the triflouro is just... sh!t... genius... just beautiful imagination to make things SUPER explicitily specific to create low to none suppression. The electronegativity of the fluoro's makes the molecule so beautiful - can feel it building up old injury scar tissue, lubricating joints *big time from swimming*, and overall just energy BOOST. LOVING the stuff - except the taste, but whatever...
interested in why you claim the molecule "hasn't been discolosed"?
smt1
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Just because it has a CAS number does not mean it is the right substance. Present right on what website?
PS, the only mention I saw in the peer reviewed research literature of Ostarine's chemical structure was here, done by a third party: hxxp://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1359644607004928 (replace the hxxp with http since I can't post links yet)
And it's different from the substance people are selling (
Here's a snippet of that paper: hxxp://i.imgur.com/TldH1.png , and note the 4-acetylamino group rather than the second 4-cyano group).
GTx has not publically released Ostarine's structure. I've read many of their patent applications. Ostarine is no doubt ONE of the substances they've patented, but their applications are filled with many arylpropionamides with many different functional group substituents. Nobody knows currently which is is the correct one for Ostarine.
Sklander
Member
You are certainly correct. Those are not the same structures...
Yes, the 4 acetylamino group with added amide linkage is definitely going to make some serious chemical difference between another 4 cyano group...
I am in the middle of taking "OSTA" from a "reputable" dealer? And it seems to be working... how do we get our hands on this stuff?
on the left is the chemical that GTx made and on the right is "OSTARINE" from a generic google search. The presence of the nitro group in place of the other cyano group is different too... wtf am I taking?
Yes, the 4 acetylamino group with added amide linkage is definitely going to make some serious chemical difference between another 4 cyano group...
I am in the middle of taking "OSTA" from a "reputable" dealer? And it seems to be working... how do we get our hands on this stuff?
on the left is the chemical that GTx made and on the right is "OSTARINE" from a generic google search. The presence of the nitro group in place of the other cyano group is different too... wtf am I taking?
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junkyarddogzz
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bird901
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Good question. What is everyone really selling. Why don't u have ur sample tested?
junkyarddogzz
Member
I only use products from one company..S**** S*****...I have heard about other sarms companies products having a "good" taste, they do not have the real deal.
Rjr3412
Member
When are you planning on doing your Osta + S4 stack? I'm thinking of logging the same stack starting in June. I used a different provider though, who is far less pricey. Might be an interesting comparison.
BBB
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How can you be sure? The awful taste is from the carrier. In some cases DSMO which is supposed to be used transdermally.
NADDANME
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Been following all these Sarm threads intereseted to try one. Will be curious to see what you find.
Sklander
Member
Being trained on it tomorrow and should have full access within two weeks. I will keep y'all updated... I could possibly run NMR and HPLC as well... will have to see, though. Not sacrificing my academic career/credentials over this, but will try and get it done.
Plus, I WANNA KNOW WHATS GOIN' INTO MY BODY.
Plus, I WANNA KNOW WHATS GOIN' INTO MY BODY.
RickRock13
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I don't think there is any need to split doses of S4. I would drop that dose of Ostarine down to 12.5mg also. Most people (including myself) have seen no added benefit in running it higher
BarbellBeast
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Well as long as he's not in PCT, if 25mg is doing more than 12.5mg then def run it. But like Rock said I didn't notice much difference myself between the 2 doses..
I agree too I would just take all my s4 pre workout, which I workout in the AM so I would just take my s4 upon waking and that's it.
Nice to see you're running the forma stanzol with the osta/s4 sky.. Should be a sick stack!!!
Sklander
Member
Great info, thanks guys... Perhaps I'll run the OSTA at 12.5mg/ed from here on out and bridge into S4... just to maximize the time I have to make changes. OSTA has been great at 25mg, but I ran it at 12.5mg for a week and noticed little difference...
Okay, S4 preworkout... sounds great. Can't wait to try it out. Yeah, FORMA has been great to me for this... Libido is back up... I did some research and went to a local home grown herbal store. Got the following for a tea tincture libido booster (IT WORKS WELL)
mulrapuama
ashwagandha (whole)
cistanche bark (whole)
horny goat weed (whole leaves)
ginko biloba
red chinese ginseng
schizandra berries (whole)
tribulus terrestris (whole fruit)
maranga (extract)
sarsparilla
I want to add only a single thing to the above and that is: catuaba - The owner of the store is getting some in soon. Tea isn't half bad, either.
Okay, S4 preworkout... sounds great. Can't wait to try it out. Yeah, FORMA has been great to me for this... Libido is back up... I did some research and went to a local home grown herbal store. Got the following for a tea tincture libido booster (IT WORKS WELL)
mulrapuama
ashwagandha (whole)
cistanche bark (whole)
horny goat weed (whole leaves)
ginko biloba
red chinese ginseng
schizandra berries (whole)
tribulus terrestris (whole fruit)
maranga (extract)
sarsparilla
I want to add only a single thing to the above and that is: catuaba - The owner of the store is getting some in soon.
Tea isn't half bad, either.
BarbellBeast
Well-known member
Ya if you notice no difference, you might as well lower the dose and save more osta for a future run.. That's quite the libido stack, lol... You make a cup of tea outta that?
Outstanding
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Out of sheer curiosity, I documented my DOUBLE dosing protocol earlier in the year when I ran a full 2 month cycle of OSTA; from 25mg to 50mg. I saw NO added benefit, so save your money, and keep it between 12 and 25mg and you'll be one happy camper (depending on where you get it from of course, in my mind, there is only one supplier that can offer the triad of quality, potency, and shipping speed).
RickRock13
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12.5mg is where its at IMO. Increased dosing added no more benefit for me, and at 12.5mg a bottle will last a good while too
Outstanding
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This is a good point, we all react differently, try it out and see if you can't let your research on SARMS last a little longer
Outstanding
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There has been a lot of success with users stacking the two. I'm going to front load my next SARMS cycle in the fall by adding in S4 in the beginning, and phasing out into OSTA only.
gymrat827
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Good to hear man, Im looking forward to running a osta/s4 stack after my pulse. Glad to hear its doing its job:saeek:
Outstanding
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I'll be doing this in the fall by the way for my SARMS Research.