Top Government Insider: Bin Laden Died In 2001, 9/11 A False Flag

[JerseyDrew77]

Constitution is our guide for Foreign Policy, its obvious you dont know much about it.
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The Government get their money from the American tax payers, thats how they have money to pay you.

You claim the Military pays its own salary because they tax you...so your saying you get taxed more than you make so you lose money?

No, it's obvious you don't know much about it or maybe misunderstood it. The constitution does not pertain to our enemy when the war is in another country like Iraq or Afghanistan. The Iraqi Army doesn't have constitution rights and neither does the Taliban or Al-Qaeda or Jaysh Al-Mahdi or Promise Day Brigade and so on.

 

[JerseyDrew77]

You stand up for the Geneva convention and you dont even believe in its policies...(or even know it if you think this is just about the troops)

Grave breaches

"willfully depriving someone of the right to a fair trial"

So there you go, you support the Geneva convention but dont follow it.



You cannot fund your own operations by taxing 25% of your paychecks. Government has to come up with the money to pay you in the first place so then they can tax you. That tax money isnt enough to cover 100% of salary. Your thinking impossible economics.

Im not making wacked claims...the Military is making the claims themselves, dont be mad at me. I have them on record admitting their support for the poppy production and its up 90% of the entire world supply. Who is getting all the profits? I know who is but who do you think is?

Dude, talking to you is like watching the special olympics. It doesn't matter if you come in first, you're still a retard. You are obviously brainwashed by all this crap that you find on youtube and the internet. I feel sorry for you, in a way, because you have no real world experience in what you preach. Have a nice life!

 

[ax1]

Dude, talking to you is like watching the special olympics. It doesn't matter if you come in first, you're still a retard. You are obviously brainwashed by all this crap that you find on youtube and the internet. I feel sorry for you, in a way, because you have no real world experience in what you preach. Have a nice life!

Is that all you have, just knock on my intelligence as your way of winning a debate?

I show you military admitting they are helping the locals grow poppy and you want to knock everything as some crazy "wikipedia" or "youtube" evidence.

Now, Geneva convention...you support it yet you dont believe or dont know it because you dont think Bin Laden should have a right to a fair trial.

Now address the issue here instead of hiding behind a rock by trying to insult my intelligence.

Again...

Geneva Conventions
Grave breaches
"willfully depriving someone of the right to a fair trial"


More breaches:
"willful killing, torture or inhumane treatment, including biological experiments"
(Military assassinations of un-armed enemies, torture of multiple enemies held in prisons, using plutonium waste as base tips of some ammunition)

"willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health"
(Military's torture on enemies and innocent civilians, slaughtering innocent people, etc...)

"willfully depriving someone of the right to a fair trial"
(Felt like throwing this in for a 3rd time)

"extensive destruction and appropriation of property not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly"
(The Afgan war was started on a false flag attack on America, Iraq was based of lies of WMD's, Lybia wasnt even a threat, on and on....)

"unlawful deportation, transfer, or confinement."
(Guantanamo base, I can get many examples)

Now, I can start showing supporting evidence for all of the above in relation to our governments criminal activities....I have all day.

 

[JerseyDrew77]

Is that all you have, just knock on my intelligence as your way of winning a debate?

I show you military admitting they are helping the locals grow poppy and you want to knock everything as some crazy "wikipedia" or "youtube" evidence.

Now, Geneva convention...you support it yet you dont believe or dont know it because you dont think Bin Laden should have a right to a fair trial.

Again...

Geneva Conventions
Grave breaches
"willfully depriving someone of the right to a fair trial"

Now address the issue here instead of hiding behind a rock by trying to insult my intelligence.

More breaches:
"willful killing, torture or inhumane treatment, including biological experiments"
(Military assassinations of un-armed enemies, torture of multiple enemies held in prisons, using plutonium waste as base tips of some ammunition)

"willfully causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health"
(Military's torture on enemies and innocent civilians, slaughtering innocent people, etc...)

"willfully depriving someone of the right to a fair trial"
(Felt like throwing this in for a 3rd time)

"extensive destruction and appropriation of property not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly"
(The Afgan war was started on a false flag attack on America, Iraq was based of lies of WMD's, Lybia wasnt even a threat, on and on....)

"unlawful deportation, transfer, or confinement."
(Guantanamo base, I can get many examples)

Now, I can start showing supporting evidence for all of the above of the governments criminal activities for the past 50 years to start violating multiple policies...I have all day.

What you showed me was military not admitting to helping them grow poppy fields but that they tolerate the locals growing it because it's part of the locals culture. And the Geneva Convention is upheld by those that are signed onto it. Terrorists are not so they don't follow it, we do along with many other countries. I don't think you realize that you are actually proving my points. Anyway, this was fun but I must get back to work now. Have fun with your little debate now.

 

[ax1]

What you showed me was military not admitting to helping them grow poppy fields but that they tolerate the locals growing it because it's part of the locals culture.

You know its wrong (see quote below) And the Taliban almost eliminated all Poppy production until the Military came in 2001 and helped the locals grow it. 10 years later 90% of the worlds supply, do the math. What have the Americans gained from this? Where do you think all the profits and money are going from the growth surge of poppy?

We know it's wrong

As far as the Geneva convention or Constitution, and your other views your showing time and time that you have double standards of good and evil.

Your saying, and Im not quoting: Let the Military support the locals, they are drug dealers but they are good. Its their culture so its their right to supply the entire planet with heroin. But the Taliban who almost exterminated poppy isnt a part of their culture, so they are bad. We must support the locals and President Karzia's #1 drug lord brother because culture is important to them and they need money. Its not American culture to sell heroin so they need to be subdued. The local afgan poppy drug dealers are good ethical people so our support is essential in order to preserve their culture.

Anyway, this was fun but I must get back to work now. Have fun with your little debate now.

I actually had a blast, lol I was getting bored making post all on my own for about a week.

Hey, no matter what our political differences are, and even if you hate me I just want to thank you for serving the country. I know deep down in your heart you believe your doing the right thing. Please be safe there as always.

 

[Black03mach]

Oh boy its one of those zietgiest guys. Not point in arguing with this toolbag, he knows all the governments secrets.

 

[wontstop985]

Dude, talking to you is like watching the special olympics. It doesn't matter if you come in first, you're still a retard.

Good one, bro.

However, I'm pretty sure you can't "come in first" at "watching the special olympics."

 

[bowhunter28]

If you knew me or what I do for work, then you wouldn't have made that stupid and ignorant comment. I read and write intel. reports, it's part of my job. So no, the documents that I have seen are not falsified. Also, helmet cams in the military, at least the ones in SF, are encrypted which prevents them to be tampered with. So nice try with that one. And wikipedia is not realible at all but if you want to believe that, then go ahead.

You telling us that you saw Bin Laden get shot in the head? Were you watching it with Obama and the rest of them? Even though the video was blacked out?

 

[ax1]

Oh boy its one of those zietgiest guys. Not point in arguing with this toolbag, he knows all the governments secrets.

Oh, so you want to run away from the facts and just blow everything off as some crazy conspiracy theory.

I dont need to know the secrets...the facts speak for themselves.

Lets start out with you about the Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta who was with **** Cheney in a bunker who testified in front of the 9/11 Commission that **** Cheney gave the stand-down order when the plane was just 10 minutes away from hitting the Pentagon.

This testimony was not included in the "9/11 commission report" and completely omitted.

**** Cheney Gave Stand Down Orders on 9/11



Now the day before 9/11 Donald Rumsfeld publicly admitted on televisoin that 2.3 trillion dollars cannot be accounted for. The main-frame where the data was stored was in the room the Pentagon was hit. All the evidence destroyed and nothing ever accounted for. 2.3 trillion dollars is alot of money!

9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon

 

[Black03mach]

Will watch and get back to you after work.

 

[EasyEJL]

If you knew me or what I do for work, then you wouldn't have made that stupid and ignorant comment. I read and write intel. reports, it's part of my job. So no, the documents that I have seen are not falsified. Also, helmet cams in the military, at least the ones in SF, are encrypted which prevents them to be tampered with. So nice try with that one. And wikipedia is not realible at all but if you want to believe that, then go ahead.

I think the naivate you show here is perfect proof all on its own that the government can pull the wool over anyones eyes. Who has the decryption keys? Who created the documents you saw? Please, open your eyes a little. If you don't like the other examples, how about the Tuskeegee experiment where our government took 600 black men, exposed them to syphyllis and didn't treat them just out of curiousity to watch how they died and their brains decayed over time?

 

[ax1]

Will watch and get back to you after work.

Ok great...

One question to ask is, how many buildings fell on 9/11 in Manhattan?

Here is a message from the 9/11 families who lost their loved ones.

This is an introduction to the smoking gun Building 7 story.

 

[JerseyDrew77]

I think the naivate you show here is perfect proof all on its own that the government can pull the wool over anyones eyes. Who has the decryption keys? Who created the documents you saw? Please, open your eyes a little. If you don't like the other examples, how about the Tuskeegee experiment where our government took 600 black men, exposed them to syphyllis and didn't treat them just out of curiousity to watch how they died and their brains decayed over time?

I'm not being naive at all, bro. Our intel. reports, mission debriefs, spot reports and so on cannot be falsified at all in the Army because they are put into a system, which I am not going to discuss because it is classified, and stored there. If anybody goes in there to edit or make changes to the reports, it leaves a so called paper trail as to who made the changes and at what time and exactly what was edited. Plus, we keep multiple copies of the originals per teams and we know exactly who wrote the reports because anybody that writes a report has to have an frn (field reporting number) which is automatically generated on the report. Pretty much the same thing with the video from helmet cams. So if anybody is being naive, it's you bro. Just because you've read some articles on the internet or watch the news doesn't mean you know what goes on in the military or how things operate.

And not saying our government is perfect, it's far from it but it's better than a lot of these other countries governments. I always tell people if they don't like it, then leave and go try living in some other country and see how that is.

 

[ax1]

And not saying our government is perfect, it's far from it but it's better than a lot of these other countries governments. I always tell people if they don't like it, then leave and go try living in some other country and see how that is.

You dont have to love your government to love your country. Its the responsibility of the American people to criticize government and expose them for their corruptions.

Do you have any idea whats even going on in America? Its turning into a complete police state. They are posting concentration camps all over the country and the mass human caskets have been exposed.

You should study history and listen to the warnings and messages our founding fathers left us.

Some of these are re-posts but you need to see them again.

The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all.

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

The man who reads nothing at all is better than educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.

-Thomas Jefferson

So if anybody is being naive, it's you bro. Just because you've read some articles on the internet or watch the news doesn't mean you know what goes on in the military or how things operate

Again, study history. Gulf of Tonkin incident was staged by the White House to launch the Vietnam War. Do you think people on your level will really see the truth on these silly intel documents you think you have so much access to? Do you think the people on top really care that you know the truth?

There is plenty of high level officials much above you who are whistleblowers because they love their country and would totally laugh at you. They are much smarter than you and have had positions much higher than you.

I played a LBJ tape speaking of staging the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and you still dont believe it or at minimum ask quesions. Why should anybody take you seriously?

Now, why did **** Cheney give the stand-down orders on 9/11 minutes prior to the plane hitting the Pentagon? Why was building 7 a controlled demolition? Why did **** Cheney took the un-unprecedented decision to take command of NORAD the morning of 9/11 prior to the hijackings? Why was NORAD playing simultaneous bogey missions of Hijacked planes hitting the WTC the morning of 9/11?

 

[ax1]

Pretty much the same thing with the video from helmet cams. So if anybody is being naive, it's you bro. Just because you've read some articles on the internet or watch the news doesn't mean you know what goes on in the military or how things operate.

Ill add, you watching a video on some silly helmet cam may have happened, but that does not mean it was Bin Laden that was murdered. The person on the video could have been anybody and according to Pakistani locals the man in the compound was not Bin Laden.

You watching a video is not proof it was Bin Laden.

Now go on your tracking device and go in the ocean and fetch that body and hand it over to a independent non-government sponsored panel too run autopsy.

Come on, you really believe that was Bin Laden? Thats just crazy, the man could not scientifically, and medically lived until 2011. He was on his death bed in 2001 with Marphans Syndrome.

He was on kidney dialysis and he was in some stupid compound chilling 10 years later with no portable kidney dialysis machines watching videos of him self and 10s of thousands of hours of porn on his laptop?

Any they immediately threw his body in the ocean to respect some make believe religious belief that is far from true?

To think he was killed this year is the definition of insanity.

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Cover Up

 

[ax1]

I'm not being naive at all, bro. Our intel. reports, mission debriefs, spot reports and so on cannot be falsified at all in the Army because they are put into a system, which I am not going to discuss because it is classified, and stored there.

Right, cannot be falsified, and I assume you believe our presidents Birth Certificate cannot be falsified either,

Now to start, and before you pull this wikipedia excuse baloney, I will tell you that you can download the Birth Ceritificate from the white house website and do this yourself with some easy photoshop skills. The Birth Certificate from the 60's is in multiple layers, what a joke. So why should I believe your "intel?" when the White House falsifies its own documents decieving the American people what may be the biggest hoax in American History and an illegal presidency.


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So we have a birth certificate that is in multiple layers and blatantly falsified and we should believe you have the fountain of truth at your hands? lol

Hey, do you have some intel reports on Anwar Al-Awlaki Pentagon dinner when he was guest of honor in 2002? lol

 

[JerseyDrew77]

Do you have any idea whats even going on in America? Its turning into a complete police state. They are posting concentration camps all over the country and the mass human caskets have been exposed.

Do you think people on your level will really see the truth on these silly intel documents you think you have so much access to? Do you think the people on top really care that you know the truth?

There is plenty of high level officials much above you who are whistleblowers because they love their country and would totally laugh at you. They are much smarter than you and have had positions much higher than you.

I played a LBJ tape speaking of staging the Gulf of Tonkin incident, and you still dont believe it or at minimum ask quesions. Why should anybody take you seriously?

Now, why did **** Cheney give the stand-down orders on 9/11 minutes prior to the plane hitting the Pentagon? Why was building 7 a controlled demolition? Why did **** Cheney took the un-unprecedented decision to take command of NORAD the morning of 9/11 prior to the hijackings? Why was NORAD playing simultaneous bogey missions of Hijacked planes hitting the WTC the morning of 9/11?

Concentration camps in America? Really, so why hasn't anybody back home has said anything to me about it and why haven't I seen or heard anything about it on the news? Probably because it's not happening. Where do you get your sh$t from? And exactly what would be the reasoning for all this?

People on my level write these intel reports that go up to commanding officers and people in my line of work do have access to numerous and countless reports, as long as you have a TS SCI clearance and are registered in the system. And yes, the people on top do care that we know the truth because they are reading our reports that people on my level wrote.

And for your whistleblowers that would laugh at me, I highly doubt it. In fact, we would probably see more eye to eye than you would to them. I'm sure some of them are smarter than me but I would have no problem going toe to toe with them in a discussion about the government.

And I could care less what LBJ has to say about the Vietnam war. That sh$t is long gone and over with. And why should anybody take you seriously? What difference are you making and what are you trying to accomplish? All it looks like that you do is search the internet for stuff to support your theories and that's it. Why don't you take all of your theories and put it into a campaign for you and run for office.

Now about **** Cheney, did he admit to all this stuff in public on the news? If it didn't come straight from him, then it could easily be bs from somebody in office that just has it out for **** Cheney.

 

[JerseyDrew77]

Ill add, you watching a video on some silly helmet cam may have happened, but that does not mean it was Bin Laden that was murdered. The person on the video could have been anybody and according to Pakistani locals the man in the compound was not Bin Laden.

Come on, you really believe that was Bin Laden? Thats just crazy, the man could not scientifically, and medically lived until 2011. He was on his death bed in 2001 with Marphans Syndrome.

He was on kidney dialysis and he was in some stupid compound chilling 10 years later with no portable kidney dialysis machines watching videos of him self and 10s of thousands of hours of porn on his laptop?

Any they immediately threw his body in the ocean to respect some make believe religious belief that is far from true?

To think he was killed this year is the definition of insanity.

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Cover Up

Are you really going to believe Pakistani locals? Let me educate you here for a bit. Pakistanis hate us Americans and would not admit to the truth. They will lie about everything of that mission just because they hate us and want to ruin us. You can catch these bastards red handed on video of them planting IEDs in the road and they will deny it that it was them (speaking from experience on this).

To think he died back in 2001 is insanity and foolish. It's funny how people say that they have seen actual medical reports of Bin Laden having kidney disease/Marphans Syndrome.

 

[JerseyDrew77]

Right, cannot be falsified, and I assume you believe our presidents Birth Certificate cannot be falsified either,

Now to start, and before you pull this wikipedia excuse baloney, I will tell you that you can download the Birth Ceritificate from the white house website and do this yourself with some easy photoshop skills. The Birth Certificate from the 60's is in multiple layers, what a joke. So why should I believe your "intel?" when the White House falsifies its own documents decieving the American people what may be the biggest hoax in American History and an illegal presidency.

So we have a birth certificate that is in multiple layers and blatantly falsified and we should believe you have the fountain of truth at your hands? lol

Hey, do you have some intel reports on Anwar Al-Awlaki Pentagon dinner when he was guest of honor in 2002? lol

I'm not going to argue with you about the president birth certificate because I believe it's a bunch of bs and fake as well. The intel that I report on and gather stays within the military, could go to the Joint Chief of Staff and is in no relation to what the White House would put out. They might not even read our reports or even know what we report on unless a commanding officer or general briefs them on it. I'm not saying I have the fountain of truth, I just know more than you about what is going on in the Middle East because I speak from actual hands on experience.

 

[ax1]

Concentration camps in America? Really, so why hasn't anybody back home has said anything to me about it and why haven't I seen or heard anything about it on the news? Probably because it's not happening. Where do you get your sh$t from? And exactly what would be the reasoning for all this?

My reasoning for existence of the concentration camps due to the facts that its legal policy to have them and I will prove it. Again your jumping to conclusions and going only by what you know instead of looking into it.

The media reported that building 7 collapsed 15 minutes before it even collapsed (a case of early reporting,) and you think they are going to report this to your face? Who's side do you really think they are on.

Again, seek your founding fathers....
The man who reads nothing at all is better than educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.
-Thomas Jefferson

Again, you think I make things up but here it is outlined in law.

H.R. 645
Text of H.R. 645 [111th]: National Emergency Centers Establishment Act
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I suppose you dont know about the Fusion Centers either, correct?

The caskets all made by Poly-guard Vaults and FEMA has ordered hundreds of thousands of them.

FEMA Caskets are ordered from this company in Alabama...
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Over-sized vaults here for sale, you can buy one.
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H.R. 645
Text of H.R. 645 [111th]: National Emergency Centers Establishment Act
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FEMA COFFINS! PROOF OF FEMA CAMP PLANS!



Actual footage at Fema Camp in Georgia



This was also covered on television this past year by Jesse Ventura. The show is a bit glamorized but it had to be to be put on television and get people to watch.

USA - FEMA Camps - Police State - PART 1 of 3



USA - FEMA Camps - Police State - PART 2 of 3

 

[ax1]

And I could care less what LBJ has to say about the Vietnam war. That sh$t is long gone and over with. And why should anybody take you seriously? What difference are you making and what are you trying to accomplish? All it looks like that you do is search the internet for stuff to support your theories and that's it. Why don't you take all of your theories and put it into a campaign for you and run for office.

Now about **** Cheney, did he admit to all this stuff in public on the news? If it didn't come straight from him, then it could easily be bs from somebody in office that just has it out for **** Cheney.

You took the time to deny the Gulf on Tonkin incident, and deny than a president would false a war and have our American troops slaughtered.

Now you brush it off, and you dont care.

Im not bringing theories to the table here, thats just a easy way for you to discredit the facts.

Nobody in government has ever been held accountable for the events of 9/11, and **** Cheney only spoke in private, and only with Bush by his side in front of a government set up investigative agency and no statements were ever released about the talk and then its end of story. The same commission that omitted the transportation secretary's testimony that **** Cheney gave the stand down order. And where is the 2.3 trillion? Thats $8,000 per person in America that we have to pay.

 

[ax1]

Are you really going to believe Pakistani locals? Let me educate you here for a bit. Pakistanis hate us Americans and would not admit to the truth. They will lie about everything of that mission just because they hate us and want to ruin us. You can catch these bastards red handed on video of them planting IEDs in the road and they will deny it that it was them (speaking from experience on this).

To think he died back in 2001 is insanity and foolish. It's funny how people say that they have seen actual medical reports of Bin Laden having kidney disease/Marphans Syndrome.

I think this is racist for you to say. When you have a crime you investigate anybody and consider everything.

The fact that Bin Laden died in 2001 from natural causes and the government has only proved to lie time and time again I happen to trust Pakistani locals a bit more than what our government has to say. Why should I believe a government than forged Obama's birth certificate?

You think its foolish that Bin Laden was very ill, where here is a Dan Rather report with witnesses that Bin Laden was in a Pakistani hospital the day before 9/11 getting emergency treatment. Its well established within the CIA and the medical community that Bin Laden had Marphan's syndrome.

Remember, the CIA created Al-Queda in the late 70's under the Carter administration under the Mojahedin and Bin Laden worked as an agent for the CIA throught the 80's. They had a close relationship, its not hard to figure out he had Abraham Lincon's illness.

I miss Dan Rather, but thats another topic. The days of investigative reporting on mainstream media are all long gone.

 

[ax1]

Now let me ask you a question, whats your intel on the amount of buildings that collapsed on 9/11 in Manhatten?

 

[EasyEJL]

I'm not being naive at all, bro. Our intel. reports, mission debriefs, spot reports and so on cannot be falsified at all in the Army because they are put into a system, which I am not going to discuss because it is classified, and stored there. If anybody goes in there to edit or make changes to the reports, it leaves a so called paper trail as to who made the changes and at what time and exactly what was edited. Plus, we keep multiple copies of the originals per teams and we know exactly who wrote the reports because anybody that writes a report has to have an frn (field reporting number) which is automatically generated on the report. Pretty much the same thing with the video from helmet cams. So if anybody is being naive, it's you bro. Just because you've read some articles on the internet or watch the news doesn't mean you know what goes on in the military or how things operate.

And not saying our government is perfect, it's far from it but it's better than a lot of these other countries governments. I always tell people if they don't like it, then leave and go try living in some other country and see how that is.

And you think what comes in on paper is 100% accurate? And if you believe there aren't back doors, and ways to make changes in the system, as well as replace originals, then you are naive.

As far as the helmet cams, tell me how you can prove it was in iraq, and not a motion picture set in the nevada desert? You can't, as you rely on the information you are told, and your naivete says that anything that comes to you from a government source must be true, which is rather sad.

 

[ax1]

And you think what comes in on paper is 100% accurate? And if you believe there aren't back doors, and ways to make changes in the system, as well as replace originals, then you are naive.

As far as the helmet cams, tell me how you can prove it was in iraq, and not a motion picture set in the nevada desert? You can't, as you rely on the information you are told, and your naivete says that anything that comes to you from a government source must be true, which is rather sad.

And for the record, I have the CIA admitting to creating fake Bin Laden tapes.
actually, I have CIA Officials here not only admitting to faking a Bin Laden videos, but also planning out other extensive other fake projects including a fake hidden camera footage of Saddam Hussein and a teenage boy having sex. in this Washington Post article.

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"The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swigging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys, one of the former CIA officers recalled, chuckling at the memory. The actors were drawn from “some of us darker-skinned employees,” he said.

Eventually, “things ground to a halt,” the other former officer said, because no one could come to agreement on the projects."

Fake Saddam video plot
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Before the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, the CIA tossed around various ideas for discrediting Saddam Hussein. One involved producing a fake Saddam sex video. Anchor Marco Werman speaks with Washington Post columnist Jeff Stein about some of the plans and why they were scrapped.

Also in previous posts I have proved the recent released "new" Bin Laden tapes to be just older tapes with computerized changed backgrounds.

 

[JerseyDrew77]

And you think what comes in on paper is 100% accurate? And if you believe there aren't back doors, and ways to make changes in the system, as well as replace originals, then you are naive.

As far as the helmet cams, tell me how you can prove it was in iraq, and not a motion picture set in the nevada desert? You can't, as you rely on the information you are told, and your naivete says that anything that comes to you from a government source must be true, which is rather sad.

Why are you people so fcking narrow minded when you have no experience on the situation? Look a$$hole, I am tired of trying to explain to you stubborn a$$ people. The reports are written on a computer in a program that is strictly used within the Army and is on a network within the Army. Once a report is sent up, it is reviewed and if there are any mistakes (grammar wise or format wise) then it is kicked back to the person that wrote the report. We, the military, only collect on foreign countries and are not allowed to collect on Americans or instances that happen in America. Believe me or not but you obviously have no experience in it so bash me all you want if that makes you feel better.

 

[JerseyDrew77]

Now let me ask you a question, whats your intel on the amount of buildings that collapsed on 9/11 in Manhatten?

From personal observation and knowing people that were there when it happened, only 2 buildings collapsed in NY. Are you going to try and tell me different?

 

[EasyEJL]

Why are you people so fcking narrow minded when you have no experience on the situation? Look a$$hole, I am tired of trying to explain to you stubborn a$$ people. The reports are written on a computer in a program that is strictly used within the Army and is on a network within the Army. Once a report is sent up, it is reviewed and if there are any mistakes (grammar wise or format wise) then it is kicked back to the person that wrote the report. We, the military, only collect on foreign countries and are not allowed to collect on Americans or instances that happen in America. Believe me or not but you obviously have no experience in it so bash me all you want if that makes you feel better.

Why do I require experience in how you have been told how things work to know that our government is more than happy to lie to any of us? Did you design the software and systems and have control over the security measures? No, you are a paper pusher from what it sounds like. I'm a software developer, and damn well know that for any number of ways you can protect something you can also leave in as many holes as you want for outside operations.

Just because YOU happen to believe any garbage that is shoveled down your throat and YOU chose not to believe actual documents from our governments own archives showing where they lied to us, showing where they killed innocent US solidiers and civilians, and where they falsified documents just shows (like with your insults) what a child you are internally. Which I suppose makes you pefect for your position in that you'll believe whatever they tell you.

You continue to attack the messenger, because you can't attack the messages. We did falsify an attack to get into Vietnam, we did kill 600 US citizen black men just to see how their brains would atrophy from syphillis, and our CIA admitted to planning fake Osama videos, and there are many more examples. These are statements directly from the government officials you say would never do anything like that, and official releases of documents from the library of congress. So put your head back in the sand, and smile and nod at whatever they tell you is the truth and believe it.

 

[JerseyDrew77]

Why do I require experience in how you have been told how things work to know that our government is more than happy to lie to any of us? Did you design the software and systems and have control over the security measures? No, you are a paper pusher from what it sounds like. I'm a software developer, and damn well know that for any number of ways you can protect something you can also leave in as many holes as you want for outside operations.

Just because YOU happen to believe any garbage that is shoveled down your throat and YOU chose not to believe actual documents from our governments own archives showing where they lied to us, showing where they killed innocent US solidiers and civilians, and where they falsified documents just shows (like with your insults) what a child you are internally. Which I suppose makes you pefect for your position in that you'll believe whatever they tell you.

The software was designed by the military and DIA. And that's great that you are a software developer but I'm sure it's no where near the level of the people that developed the software that we use.

That garbage that is shoveled down my throat, as you so elegantly put it, comes from sources which are Middle Eastern locals that spie for us, not the government, and ends up saving the lives of Coalition Forces and US soldiers. So nice try in trying to insult me. Did it ever occur to you that maybe those documents that were released were fake documents created by people like yourself to create controversy?

 

[JerseyDrew77]

But again, nobody has answered my question. What are you guys trying to prove or accomplish here with all these theories?

 

[bowhunter28]

From personal observation and knowing people that were there when it happened, only 2 buildings collapsed in NY. Are you going to try and tell me different?

Do you really believe only 2 fell?

 

[EasyEJL]

The software was designed by the military and DIA. And that's great that you are a software developer but I'm sure it's no where near the level of the people that developed the software that we use.

That garbage that is shoveled down my throat, as you so elegantly put it, comes from sources which are Middle Eastern locals that spie for us, not the government, and ends up saving the lives of Coalition Forces and US soldiers. So nice try in trying to insult me. Did it ever occur to you that maybe those documents that were released were fake documents created by people like yourself to create controversy?

You somehow think the military and DIA are incapable of leaving in back doors to manipulate and massage things? Please, give me a break, again huge naivete. This isn't about some outside source being able to make changes, this is about the military high command being able to make changes for their own purposes, to suit their own needs.

And again, apparently you believe anything that is put in front of you. Of course no middle eastern spies would ever lie about anything to anyone...

Its a sad state when people consider themselves patriots, but blindly trust what is told to them by higher ups in the government. Remember, you are supposed to be patriotic to the COUNTRY, not the government and the mindless officials in the bureaucracy.

 

[EasyEJL]

But again, nobody has answered my question. What are you guys trying to prove or accomplish here with all these theories?

Awareness. People not forgetting what this country was based on, what our founding fathers believed when they started it.

The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted.
- James Madison

Does the government fear us? Or do we fear the government? When the people fear the government, tyranny has found victory. The federal government is our servant, not our master! -Thomas Jefferson

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty . . . And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure." - Thomas Jefferson

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." - Abraham Lincoln

Our government has become horribly corrupt, regardless of which party is in charge. Both sides effectively use the constitution as toilet paper. People need to understand they get played like violins.

Whether the Seal team actually did kill Osama is fairly irrelevant, as Osama himself has been irrelevant for a long time. But the ridiculous nature of how our government treated this - things like refusing to release pictures out of sensitivity to muslims, yet buried him at sea so his soul is left to spend eternity in limbo - makes the entire piece totally questionable.

Why do you have such a problem with calls for open investigation? Why do you feel such a need to have your head stuck in the sand and just believe whatever you are told?

 

[ax1]

From personal observation and knowing people that were there when it happened, only 2 buildings collapsed in NY. Are you going to try and tell me different?

3 buildings collapsed on 9/11. Building 1, 2 and 7. This is a 100% fact, I even remember when it happened on that day.

Look into building 7, it housed the FBI and CIA, and also Rudy Giuliani's bunker. It is the only steel structure building in history to collapse due to a "fire"(so the government says so) and it was a controlled demolition. The building totally pulverized. I have signatures of over 1,300 architects and engineers who say more than just a "fire" collapsed that building.

I have a video from PBS from the property owner Larry Silverstein admitting he called to have the building pulled, which rigging a building in 1 day for a perfect collapse is impossible if you ask any controlled demolition experts.

Dont worry, your another "Building What??!?" person...your not the first not to know, they hardly ever talk about it.

wtc 7 collapse


9/11: Blueprint for Truth - WTC Building 7 - 10 minute Segment from New AE911Truth Companion Edition

 

[ax1]

But again, nobody has answered my question. What are you guys trying to prove or accomplish here with all these theories?

There are no theories presented...although I may throw my opinion here and there.

I supply evidence, facts, documents, testimony and witnesses from the 9/11 government crime scene.

What do I want to accomplish? Justice for the victims, those found guilty under trial to be held accountable...and that this never happen again. Thats just a few things Id like to accomplish for starters.

9/11 victims families message to President Obama and all the people of New York

 

[wontstop985]

The software was designed by the military and DIA. And that's great that you are a software developer but I'm sure it's no where near the level of the people that developed the software that we use.

Straight from the world's #1 cryptanalyst himself, JerseyDrew77.



Also, it seems kind of strange that the software wouldn't be designed by the NSA, since they are in fact the agency that hires all the computer scientists, mathematicians, and engineers.

 

[purebred]

The U.S. spends too much time in foreign countries' business. We have enough problems on our own (poverty, drugs, unemployment, homelessness). We're always trying to be "diplomatic" and be "peaceful" when in reality, it's always about money. That's the way it's always been since the beginning of time. Just think of the story of Judas in the Bible. It's always been about money. Human nature never changes. I wish there was a country hat just removed itself from all the political nonsense, handled business, and minded their own business. I'd move there and live my life.

The US calls itself the greatest country in the world. If that's the case, I can only imagine what the worst country in the world is like. The US is a lot of hype. Nothing gets done here and circumstances only worsen. For every good thing that occurs here in the states, another 15 bad things arise. Science and technology advances are constantly being made but our unity, or lack of, is increasing along with crime rates. Things will only continue getting worse. We are only onlookers in this life, passing through. I now realize why people who have 7-9 decade greet death with open arms: there's a lot BS out there and it doesn't get better.

Death is a blessing in disguise if you really meditate on the idea.

 

[Boatcop1]

But again, nobody has answered my question. What are you guys trying to prove or accomplish here with all these theories?

Dont bother Bro, They dont think like us. I occasionaly scan this thread and show it to my friends for a laugh. I used to get all worked up over it but now I just laugh. Truthers will make you crazy if you let em. They're is nothing that they can say anymore that will piss me off. If anything I feel bad for them going through life with such a handicap!

Thank you for your service by the way.

 

[EasyEJL]

Dont bother Bro, They dont think like us.

right, we don't mindlessly trust that everything our government tells us is true.

 

[ax1]

Dont bother Bro, They dont think like us. I occasionaly scan this thread and show it to my friends for a laugh. I used to get all worked up over it but now I just laugh. Truthers will make you crazy if you let em. They're is nothing that they can say anymore that will piss me off. If anything I feel bad for them going through life with such a handicap!

Thank you for your service by the way.

Hey buddy, I missed you, you need to stop by more often.

So let me ask you 2 questions, how many buildings fell on 9/11 in Manhattan and why?

Also,
How, in 2001 technology people made cell phone calls to their loved ones on flight 93 in the middle of nowhere during flight thousands of feet up in the air, when you can even do that with today's standard technology?

 

[Boatcop1]

Hey buddy, I missed you, you need to stop by more often.

So let me ask you 2 questions, how many buildings fell on 9/11 in Manhattan and why?

Also,
How, in 2001 technology people made cell phone calls to their loved ones on flight 93 in the middle of nowhere during flight thousands of feet up in the air, when you can even do that with today's standard technology?

LOL thanks.

3 buildings fell, 2 from the impact of full size jet airliners full of JP5 and the other due to a controlled demolition that was planned on scene because the building was unsafe and hindering the s&r effort at ground zero.

I flew cross country twice in 2001 and I was able to make cell phone calls with my darn motorolla flip phone (i had to for work) at low altitude. Providing the signal was almost always lousy and frequent drops (grr) i did it as many others as well.

It's statements like yours that the technology did not exist that always ruins your argument for people like me that actually did do it!

But that's all your going to get from me. I am currently in the hospital with my daughter who suffered a cavernous malformation rupture. And as much as i would love to chit chat while she sleeps It's times like these in life you really realize what's important and what's entertainment. Thank you for providing me a few giggles in this time.

 

[ax1]

LOL thanks.

3 buildings fell, 2 from the impact of full size jet airliners full of JP5 and the other due to a controlled demolition that was planned on scene because the building was unsafe and hindering the s&r effort at ground zero.

I flew cross country twice in 2001 and I was able to make cell phone calls with my darn motorolla flip phone (i had to for work) at low altitude. Providing the signal was almost always lousy and frequent drops (grr) i did it as many others as well.

It's statements like yours that the technology did not exist that always ruins your argument for people like me that actually did do it!

But that's all your going to get from me. I am currently in the hospital with my daughter who suffered a cavernous malformation rupture. And as much as i would love to chit chat while she sleeps It's times like these in life you really realize what's important and what's entertainment. Thank you for providing me a few giggles in this time.

It is impossible to have a controlled demolition planned on scene, it takes weeks of preparation to do so. That is the problem here that proves preparation was involved with 9/11. You should research controlled demolitions and you will understand it doesnt happen that fast and run so perfectly to pulverize a 45+ plus story building, especially when there are several scattered fires.

Im actually a bit surprised you acknowledge the controlled demolition of building 7 because the official report is that it collapsed do to a "fire," and most 9/11 truther debunkers work hard to debunk the controlled demolition facts.

So please talk to a controlled demolition expert or research when you have time and find if its possible to go on call and rig a 45+ story building and pulverize it within hours while its on fire.

In regards to your cell phone calls, I never said its impossible to make calls at low altitudes.

I wish your daughter well, very sorry to hear the news

 

[JerseyDrew77]

You somehow think the military and DIA are incapable of leaving in back doors to manipulate and massage things? Please, give me a break, again huge naivete. This isn't about some outside source being able to make changes, this is about the military high command being able to make changes for their own purposes, to suit their own needs.

And again, apparently you believe anything that is put in front of you. Of course no middle eastern spies would ever lie about anything to anyone...

Its a sad state when people consider themselves patriots, but blindly trust what is told to them by higher ups in the government. Remember, you are supposed to be patriotic to the COUNTRY, not the government and the mindless officials in the bureaucracy.

Like I said, if anybody that doesn't have access to the system and tries to manipulate the reports, a paper trail is left behind and can not be deleted. These military "high command," as you put, most of them don't have access or even know about the program. Only those within the IC (intelligence community) in the military and intel soldiers that are SF have access to it. And I know about high command officials trying to make changes to fit their needs all the time because I see it on a weekly basis.

No, I don't believe everything that is put in front of me. Why do you keep throwing that line out there. What we collect from our sources, we have ways of validating their information and ways to test them on it without them knowing what we are doing. I mean really dude, you think that we just believe whatever these people tell us? You're just being ignorant and naive if you believe that. But like I said in previous posts, if you are not an interrogator or analyst or someone that handles sources, then you have no idea how it works. But like any soldier in the military, you have orders that you must complete and you can question them to some extent but you still have to complete those orders.

 

[JerseyDrew77]

Straight from the world's #1 cryptanalyst himself, JerseyDrew77.



Also, it seems kind of strange that the software wouldn't be designed by the NSA, since they are in fact the agency that hires all the computer scientists, mathematicians, and engineers.

That's right, make jokes all you want. Seems like that's all you can do. I speak from experience, believe me or not I could care less. It just goes to show me how pathetic people can be.

Why is it strange to you? The NSA has nothing to do with the software that we use. The DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) does so that makes more sense than the NSA. The NSA hires those people for themselves. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, but the NSA doesn't even work with the Army like DIA and CIA does.

 

[JerseyDrew77]

Dont bother Bro, They dont think like us. I occasionaly scan this thread and show it to my friends for a laugh. I used to get all worked up over it but now I just laugh. Truthers will make you crazy if you let em. They're is nothing that they can say anymore that will piss me off. If anything I feel bad for them going through life with such a handicap!

Thank you for your service by the way.

I hear ya man and thanks.

 

[wontstop985]

That's right, make jokes all you want. Seems like that's all you can do. I speak from experience, believe me or not I could care less. It just goes to show me how pathetic people can be.

Why is it strange to you? The NSA has nothing to do with the software that we use. The DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) does so that makes more sense than the NSA. The NSA hires those people for themselves. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, but the NSA doesn't even work with the Army like DIA and CIA does.

It seems strange because, as far as I can tell, the DIA doesn't even hire anybody qualified in cryptology. Good luck having them secure your data.

The NSA, on the other hand, hire mathematicians and computer scientists by the truckload and are, in fact, in charge of information assurance for the United States government.

NSA's Information Assurance Mission focuses on protecting National Security Information and Information Systems, in accordance with National Security Directive 42.

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Of course, this doesn't mean that the NSA should be doing this sort of work for the Army... just that it appears they would be much more qualified than the DIA.

And you said you speak from experience, what experience exactly do you have in this field?

 

[ax1]

From personal observation and knowing people that were there when it happened, only 2 buildings collapsed in NY. Are you going to try and tell me different?

So how do you feel about finding out for the first time 10 years later that there was actually 3 buildings that collapsed in Manhattan on the day of 9/11?

I have boatcop a bigger critic than you acknowledging that building 7 was a controlled demolition which is something the government time and time deny's (and rarely even discusses building 7 hardly mentioning it in the 9/11 commision report and saying it collapses officially do to a fire, media largely ignores building 7). The building fall at near freefall speed of 6.8 seconds, which means there was no resistance in any way to the building. No steel structure in history has ever pulverized at free fall speed due to a "fire" its only possible with a controlled demolition.

There are no controlled demolition experts who can rig a 47 story building in 1 day and pulverize it to perfection. It takes weeks of preparation to run a controlled demolition. CNN and BBC even reported collapse 15 minutes before it ever happened which is a case of early reporting and some flaws in communication with the government and its controlled media. How do you report a 47 building collapse when it didnt even collapse yet? Its a case of early reporting of course, and this is evidence the mainstream media is rigged.

WTC 7 vs. Controlled Demolition
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[EasyEJL]

Like I said, if anybody that doesn't have access to the system and tries to manipulate the reports, a paper trail is left behind and can not be deleted. These military "high command," as you put, most of them don't have access or even know about the program. Only those within the IC (intelligence community) in the military and intel soldiers that are SF have access to it. And I know about high command officials trying to make changes to fit their needs all the time because I see it on a weekly basis.

And you know about the changes to fit their needs because they want you to know. Its amazing how dense you are to think that the commander in chief, the joint chiefs of staff, etc don't have mechanisms that allow them to do what they want in the system, without you knowing. Its really sad that you have so much faith in systems put together at the command of the same people you say can't make changes in it without you knowing.

 

[JerseyDrew77]

It seems strange because, as far as I can tell, the DIA doesn't even hire anybody qualified in cryptology. Good luck having them secure your data.

The NSA, on the other hand, hire mathematicians and computer scientists by the truckload and are, in fact, in charge of information assurance for the United States government.

NSA's Information Assurance Mission focuses on protecting National Security Information and Information Systems, in accordance with National Security Directive 42.

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Of course, this doesn't mean that the NSA should be doing this sort of work for the Army... just that it appears they would be much more qualified than the DIA.

And you said you speak from experience, what experience exactly do you have in this field?

Well, it just goes to show how little you know about it. My experience is working with the program and DIA operatives in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[JerseyDrew77]

So how do you feel about finding out for the first time 10 years later that there was actually 3 buildings that collapsed in Manhattan on the day of 9/11?

I have boatcop a bigger critic than you acknowledging that building 7 was a controlled demolition which is something the government time and time deny's (and rarely even discusses building 7 hardly mentioning it in the 9/11 commision report and saying it collapses officially do to a fire, media largely ignores building 7). The building fall at near freefall speed of 6.8 seconds, which means there was no resistance in any way to the building. No steel structure in history has ever pulverized at free fall speed due to a "fire" its only possible with a controlled demolition.

There are no controlled demolition experts who can rig a 47 story building in 1 day and pulverize it to perfection. It takes weeks of preparation to run a controlled demolition. CNN and BBC even reported collapse 15 minutes before it ever happened which is a case of early reporting and some flaws in communication with the government and its controlled media. How do you report a 47 building collapse when it didnt even collapse yet? Its a case of early reporting of course, and this is evidence the mainstream media is rigged.

Okay, let me rephrase what I said. Only 2 buildings colapsed in direct relation to the plane crash. That third building wasn't a result from the planes. If you ask anybody out on the streets the same question, they will give you the same answer that I gave you because everybody knows about the twin towers falling due to the planes crashing into them.