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SWOLLEN87's Quest for STRENGTH (with epi)

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pullups

bwx15 warm up

bw +45lb plate x 10

bw +90lbsx 5 3x

bb rows

135x 10 warm up

225 x 10
245 x 10
275 x 5
315 x 5
315 x 3 FAIL

pulldowns behind neck

dont remember the weights... just know i went hard

stiffleg deadlifts

135x20 warm up

405x 15

25 min walk on an incline ...


some notes

nips are doing better... still gunna take the caber when it gets hurr (cant wait for my girl to get home from school) she goes to scranton and only comes home on the weekends

leaning out considerably... ive been trying to limit my carbs to pre/post w.o only

had a disagreement with one of my boys.... hes stuck on shooting tren only ... thinking tren wont shut him down or cause gyno... (fail) he wont listen to me

shoulder is doing better, still a bit sore


upping the primo to 400mg/ week was previously running 300

pin day tomrrow!!
 
Superdrol gyno is caused by prolactin build up, superdrol keeps it very low on cycle then some time after pct it creeps up and boom. Gyno, since your estro is back to normal at this time high prolactin can cause gyno, sometimes on cycle too.
For your gyno i would have went with letro, letro reduces estrogen by 95%, prolactin cant do anything if there is no estrogen. Also it binds very strongly to the mammary gland in the nips. I would then taper the letro down to .25-.5mg for the remainder of the cycle to keep it at bay. Using caber at this time for prolactin. Then when in pct use nolva with or without clomed. Nolva will help the estro rebound from the letro and also binds strongly to the mammary gland. Keep using caber if you wish for prolactin as nolva wont help that.
 
SweetLou321 said:
Superdrol gyno is caused by prolactin build up, superdrol keeps it very low on cycle then some time after pct it creeps up and boom. Gyno, since your estro is back to normal at this time high prolactin can cause gyno, sometimes on cycle too.
For your gyno i would have went with letro, letro reduces estrogen by 95%, prolactin cant do anything if there is no estrogen. Also it binds very strongly to the mammary gland in the nips. I would then taper the letro down to .25-.5mg for the remainder of the cycle to keep it at bay. Using caber at this time for prolactin. Then when in pct use nolva with or without clomed. Nolva will help the estro rebound from the letro and also binds strongly to the mammary gland. Keep using caber if you wish for prolactin as nolva wont help that.
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this is exactly what im gunna do/doing... i just dont understand why superdrol causes prolactin issues... technically it shouldnt....

cabers comin tho... so hopefully ill be straight...
 
morry said:
Swoll, I'm curious, why Primo over something like Masteron?

I know ther reviews are mixed as the whether one is "better" than the other, but Primo is slightly more expensive. What got you to go with Primo?
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i must have overlooked this post morry...

i chose primo because for my first injectable cycle, i wanted to run something mild.... primo is giving me a distinct "clean" feeling i dont exactly know how to describe it

masteron is cheaper (not by much where i shop)

i have had friends who ran primo before with fantastic results...

besides... arnold used it (not srs)
 
swollen87 said:
this is exactly what im gunna do/doing... i just dont understand why superdrol causes prolactin issues... technically it shouldnt....

cabers comin tho... so hopefully ill be straight...
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yea well, things dont always pan out on paper like they do in the real world
 
swollen87 said:
i must have overlooked this post morry...

i chose primo because for my first injectable cycle, i wanted to run something mild.... primo is giving me a distinct "clean" feeling i dont exactly know how to describe it

masteron is cheaper (not by much where i shop)

i have had friends who ran primo before with fantastic results...

besides... arnold used it (not srs)
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Makes sense. I'll be hitting masteron up on my next cycle.....along with some other goodies......

I'm glad we both log bc the difference will be good to see. I know it won't give us exact data bc you are stonger than I am, but it will get us close.
 
morry said:
Makes sense. I'll be hitting masteron up on my next cycle.....along with some other goodies......

I'm glad we both log bc the difference will be good to see. I know it won't give us exact data bc you are stonger than I am, but it will get us close.
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im told masteron needs to be run at a LOW bf to really reap its benefits

i might be a little stronger, but im also at a way higher bodyfat... by the time i get down to your bf %... i should be a bit weaker (unless this winny is really that serious)

so for now morry, i will admit, you have the upperhand as far as physique goes... FOR NOW!!! lol



today i did shoulders

seated bb shoulder press

185lbs x 10 10 sets (didnt wanna push it w my shoulder hurting so i made up for going light with volume)

pre-exhaust/superset w/ front and side raises 25lb dbs (5 sets each)


30 sec breaks between sets for example... presses right into raises THEN 30 sec break then back to presses


dumbell reverse flys

20x10
25x10
25x10

shoulder doesnt enjoy any rear delt work... clicks and hurts so i cut it short

any suggestions for this ?


did some ab work

4 sets of 5 wheel of death (loving this ish)

hanging leg raises (pull up position)

4 sets of 10

sit ups

4 sets of 25



been working out a little with my 19 y/o brother... dude is a straight beast... never been on an anabolic in his life and benches 400lbs @ 190lbs ...

(it sucks to have a lil bro out benching me when IM the one cycling) LOL:op:



20 min walk on an incline after the weights (my knees are F"d with this letro)

been megadosing fishoil sam-e and glucosamine .. knees are screwed




some notes

knees BAD

shoulder BAD

nipples BETTER (almost) ... not puffy, but i know if i drop the letro/tamox concoction i have going on right now they will swell right up.. caber on its way

libido AWESOME (girlfriend came home tonight... in the middle of our fap sesh, i had an image of myself come into my head... I WAS THE TROJAN HORSE...) i srsly laughed out loud...

i dont think primo is HELPing my libido, i think it just makes it hard to bust a nut... and my endurance is up in comparison to my all out bulk to 220lbs and 18%bf over the winter..... up until a few weeks before this cycle started i wasnt doing ANY cardio



planning on legs tomorrow, hopefully my knees agree with me
 
The masteron comment is not true
Letro will dry your joints out, you shouldnt need letro for too long. Add cissus and 6g fishoil perday. Then follow up with tamox+caber Btw what doseing scheme did you use for letro?
Your shoulder sounds like and ac joint issues, i have the same problem. not a big deal, just avoid movement that hurt. Try face pulls or scarcrows for rear delts
 
SweetLou321 said:
The masteron comment is not true
Letro will dry your joints out, you shouldnt need letro for too long. Add cissus and 6g fishoil perday. Then follow up with tamox+caber Btw what doseing scheme did you use for letro?
Your shoulder sounds like and ac joint issues, i have the same problem. not a big deal, just avoid movement that hurt. Try face pulls or scarcrows for rear delts
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im running that much fish oil already... ill grab some cissus

its been about a week at 2.5ed... my libido isnt tanked and i dont feel horrible (aside from my knees) next week im gunna go to 2.5 eod then start breaking the pills up tapering... im actually planning on continuing running it until pct... then switching to aromasin tamox and caber ..

ill try the face pulls, i havent done them in a while


thanks for your help bro
 
todays workout was legs

squats

135x10 warm up

225x10
275x10
315x8
365x5
385x3
405x1

split squats

35lb dbs x10 3x

leg press drop set

14 plates each side x5
12 x5
10 x5
8 x5
6 x5

4 x20

then calf ext.


power cleans

135x10
185x 5 3x
225x 3 3x

was beat after this workout... slacked off on my diet today... need to up my food. weight was 205.5 this morning but i look bigger and considerably more cut up
 
today was an off day...

last night i went to the movies w/ my girl... left with my brother to go to honda day at atco raceway (sick day btw)

330 am we left, pulled up at the gate at 5 and took an hour nap... so all together i might have gotten 3 1/2 hours sleep?


didnt have the tools needed to eat cleanly today... but i kept the carbs low at least.


had a ribeye, 7 hot dogs (beef) and about 15 chicken wings and 6 hard boiled eggs

the only carbs i had all day was a giant sweet potato around 5 am.



honda day was sick, im a big honda enthusiast, my brothers car was in the show and we had the hottest whip in the packed lot...

deadlifts tomorrow to make up for my devious behavior
 
deadlifts

135
225 x 5
315 x 5
405 x 5
495 x 2
550 x 1
565 x 1
575 x 1

595 x 1 miss at my knees

405 x 12

bb rows

225 x 10 3x

supersetted with behind neck pulldowns

100x 10 3x

20 mins cardio

10 min sprints (what i do is keep the treadmill off, and i sprint pushing the track for 1 min, then i walk for a minute with it on 4mph and a 5% incline)

so all together it was 10 min sprints and 10 mins walking

12 hours of sleep last night was much needed


did some foam rolling/stretching after cardio
 
chest today

flat bb bench

135x10
225x10
275x8
295x6
305x6
315x4
335x1
335x1

incline dumbells

95x10
110x10
115x8
120x6
130x5

cable flys supersetted with pushups

35x10 then 20 pushups 40x10 then 20 ect up to 50


did some abs, 15 mins cardio


weight was down, 199 this morning but stronger
 
taking the day off today, feeling like im coming down with something ..

i will try to post progress pictures so far at some point today
 
rest up so you can deadlift all that weight again!!! ur an animal and I hate you.....


:kidding: about the hate thing....


no homo
 
morry said:
rest up so you can deadlift all that weight again!!! ur an animal and I hate you.....


:kidding: about the hate thing....


no homo
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haha i tried to rest up, but my girl came home from school and talked me into doing some abs/cardio

you may hate my deadlifts, but i hate that you stole my exercise (pullups+90lbs) and you can already do more than me within a week IN PCT... that just not cool at all lol.... makes me feel weak and soft

light w/o abs were smoked tho... tomorrow will be leg day

pics tonight as lng as morry can post them for me (because im a fcktard when it comes to electronic things)- weird tho because i wire houses for a living
 
Pic

Swoll was effin kicking his focking computer bc he couldn't get the pic to attach. I offered to help. Pic below.

Swoll is well...........effin jacked swoll
 
thanks morry... my computer almost got the "hulk smash" tday

it was tellin me my image is a bmp and i can only upload jpgs or something.. idk..

i kept tryin to do stuff in paint and it just wasnt working out... i should have taken a few before pics as the transformation thus far is impressive..

ill try to get one up of me as a fat lard at 220 i might have layin around



today i did 4 sets of 5 w.o.d

hanging leg raises (pullup position)

side crunches w 45lb db 4 sets of 10

and then 20mins of cardio


some notes

even with glucosamine and cond. and 6g fishoil my joints are FU*KED

im gunna order up some cissus to see whats good wit that ish

caber on the way along w my aromasin

im loving the strength gains, aggression and hardening effect of the primo/winny

no hairloss at all, suprising..

lethargy is getting to me tho... i dont feel shut down, could be, but i think its the letro..

still have morning wood every day... so idk...


im going to try spacing the letro out 2.5 eod or e3d

any suggestions?

just had pasta (rare) gluten free brown rice pasta is like an icecream cone to a celiac LOL

so ill consider today something like a refeed/carb load day.. going to destroy my legs tomorrow
 
SUBBD UP IN HURRR
 
I'm here bro. Sorry I didn't get a chance to read through all 4 pages but I read through the first and last. How has the strength training been coming along? Are you progressing while working lifts only once a week? While prepping for comps I would work every 5 days on my lifts, and more volume too. I would do 5-6 sets on my triples or doubles. That's what I was taught back in the day from one of my PL trainers and I still keep to it till this day. And the weighted pull-ups were one of the bread and butters that's not utilized by very many.
 
swollen87 said:
im running that much fish oil already... ill grab some cissus

its been about a week at 2.5ed... my libido isnt tanked and i dont feel horrible (aside from my knees) next week im gunna go to 2.5 eod then start breaking the pills up tapering... im actually planning on continuing running it until pct... then switching to aromasin tamox and caber ..

ill try the face pulls, i havent done them in a while


thanks for your help bro
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aromasin at the start of pct? Thats not good, you NEED estrogen in pct. Aromasin will prevent this and not allow for full recovery. Get some clomid to put with your tamox. Tamox at 20mg will be enough to prevent the rebound of the letro. Try 20mg for three weeks and then go to 10 for a week or so and get off. Also how are you tapering off the letro?
Also try rear delt rows too.
Also you probably dont need to be at a maintence dosage of 2.5mg of letro once you get your nips undercontrol. .25mg to .5mg will be plenty on cycle to prevent flair ups.
 
Looking ****in SWOLE n RIPPED bro (No homo), not suprised that Morry helped you out, hes a good dude :). Was reading through previous pages, those be some nice numbers on the deads
 
SweetLou321 said:
aromasin at the start of pct? Thats not good, you NEED estrogen in pct. Aromasin will prevent this and not allow for full recovery. Get some clomid to put with your tamox. Tamox at 20mg will be enough to prevent the rebound of the letro. Try 20mg for three weeks and then go to 10 for a week or so and get off. Also how are you tapering off the letro?
Also try rear delt rows too.
Also you probably dont need to be at a maintence dosage of 2.5mg of letro once you get your nips undercontrol. .25mg to .5mg will be plenty on cycle to prevent flair ups.
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ive been running the letro @ 2.5 mg for about a week right now.. what i plan on doing is starting to taper slowly over the next few weeks up until pct...

i plan on switching over to aromasin @ 25mg then slowly tapering down until 1 week after nolva/clomid

my nips are JUST starting to be under control... but i think this is more of a prolactin issue than estro... (caber on the way) the letro just seems to be keeping it where its at (small "feel-able" lumps.. but not yet visible)



OafMister said:
Looking ****in SWOLE n RIPPED bro (No homo), not suprised that Morry helped you out, hes a good dude :). Was reading through previous pages, those be some nice numbers on the deads
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thanks man, hopefully i can keep making progress

im actually suprised morry was willing to help me after i bashed him... we have since squashed our "beef"- it speaks of character when someone can look past the negatives to help someone


hopefully i can get a video up of the deads... i mayy just go for 600









so my pct will consist of

nolva 20/20/10/10 Frontload 40mg 3 days
clomid 100/50/50 - im told of some type of suppressive metabolite after 3 wks
caber .5eod (should i use this in pct?)
and aromasin - tapering down maybe something like 0/25/12.5/12.5/6.25

the only thing not set in stone is the aromasin... its up in the air... any input on this?
 
i wouldnt not use the aromasin in pct.
Taper your letro like this
2.5mg
2mg
1.75mg
1.5mg
1.25mg
1mg
.75mg
.5mg
.25mg then you can sit here till the end of pct.
Nolva shoule be 20/20/20/10 bc you dont want any rebound from the letro
Caber is fine
 
SweetLou321 said:
i wouldnt not use the aromasin in pct.
Taper your letro like this
2.5mg
2mg
1.75mg
1.5mg
1.25mg
1mg
.75mg
.5mg
.25mg then you can sit here till the end of pct.
Nolva shoule be 20/20/20/10 bc you dont want any rebound from the letro
Caber is fine
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i have gp letro tabs... they suck to break up into 10 peices... i think the best i could do is

2.5 1.25 .5 .25 or switch to aromasin and then taper with that?
 
just do
2.5mg, 1.25mg, 1.25mg, 1.25mg, .5mg, .5mg, .5mg, .25mg till you come off. aromasin doesnt bind as strongly as letro, and letro has a very long half life, it also binds to reduce estrogen by 95%. Just taper letro and use nolva in pct with caber, you are way over thinking this. They are extras. Not screw your pct up for your nips...
 
SweetLou321 said:
just do
2.5mg, 1.25mg, 1.25mg, 1.25mg, .5mg, .5mg, .5mg, .25mg till you come off. aromasin doesnt bind as strongly as letro, and letro has a very long half life, it also binds to reduce estrogen by 95%. Just taper letro and use nolva in pct with caber, you are way over thinking this. They are extras. Not screw your pct up for your nips...
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im gunna taper just as you have there

thesinner said:
If going for prolactin control, go for some P5P and/or some L-dopa.
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i forgot to mention, im already taking b6 200mg 3x a day (**** toxicity) macuna and vitamin e and sam-e ... i dont think theres anything other than caber i can use to cntrol the prolactin

schwellington said:
in....love epi
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SCHWELL IS HUR... YUH!

schwell i had to drop the epi, if u scroll a page or so back youll see my nip puffed up like a balloon because of unpure clones/me not havin caber on hand


but dont worry... i replaced it with 50mg winny eod

gunna get sliced ...
 
i forgot to mention, im already taking b6 200mg 3x a day (**** toxicity) macuna and vitamin e and sam-e ... i dont think theres anything other than caber i can use to cntrol the prolactin
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Bromocryptine
 
thesinner said:
Bromocryptine
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dostinex is on its way :firedevil:

its better at handling prolactin. with less sides.

its my stupidity for not having it on hand BEFORE i ran anything
 
box squats

135x10
225x10
275x10
315x5
365x5
405x3

leg press

10 plates each side x 10
12 x 10
14 x 10
10 x 10


leg extentions and curls... dont remember the weights


split squats

40x10
50x10
55x10

calf raises




had some personal things going on today... i may not be able to update as much as i have been...
 
Box squats at 405 for reps? Nice. I find it kind of funny to see a guy who squats over 405 doing leg extensions?! LOL I haven't done those in years although I should just to change things up.
 
kanakafarian said:
Box squats at 405 for reps? Nice. I find it kind of funny to see a guy who squats over 405 doing leg extensions?! LOL I haven't done those in years although I should just to change things up.
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I don't do the extensions for anything but a pump... they're fun.. I TRY to keep mostly compound exercises, but sometimes I fall into that bodybuilding mentality.... my goal is to be hitting at least 450 raw by the end of this cycle.... I can't understand how i can deadlift 575 (maybe more) and i cant squat 450.... it bothers me...


Taking today off from the weights.. going to be pulling/pushing a sled my brother made (something like a prowler.... maybe some sprints and def. Some stretching/foam rolling...

Also, today I spread a truckfull of mulch. Sucked.

I'll post the workout later
 
My brother made this concoction with a 150lb log and some sheet metal.... he screwed a post to it and we stacked 45lb plates on it and did about 20 30yard sprints .. awesome cardio...

I've got a video of it ill try to post up..

Unfortunately, I pulled my lower right hamstring.... ice/heat/foam rolling begins.... I will attempt to deadlift 600 within the next 2 weeks if my hammy is feeling better

Did some jumps onto a garbage can with a weight vest 3x 10

Aside from my injury, had a good workout... ill try to post up a video later
 
You say your squat lags behind your deadlift? Do you squat and dead every week or no? Try training legs twice a week. One focused on your squat weight, the other focus on jump traning, speed squats, and hamstring work. Should have a nice carry over. Best of luck on the 600.
 
Take care of that ham if you're going to pull 600......fock that's a lot of weight.

I WANT TO SEE THE VIDEO
 
SweetLou321 said:
You say your squat lags behind your deadlift? Do you squat and dead every week or no? Try training legs twice a week. One focused on your squat weight, the other focus on jump traning, speed squats, and hamstring work. Should have a nice carry over. Best of luck on the 600.
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right now im deadlifting on my back day, and squatting on a squat day, and then doing some extra work on my legs like i did today... sprints/jumps/running work..

it just doesnt make sense to me that i can deadlift almost 600lbs but im not squatting 450 yet....

lol- maybe it has something to do with the fact that just about 2 yrs ago i was 150lbs in a wheelchair with 2 broken legs a torn mcl and torn cartilage

thanks for the luck

morry said:
Take care of that ham if you're going to pull 600......fock that's a lot of weight.

I WANT TO SEE THE VIDEO
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i better hit 600... we will see how this turns out, right now im sitting on an ice pack praying ill be able to deadlift again next week..

ill keep you posted...


im messin w my youtube account trying to get this video uploaded
 
It most likely has to do with lack of leg work, if you hit lower body twice a week and made squats a priority, im sure youd progress faster. Deads seem to be a fav of your tho, so it seems you progress faster on it
 
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i cant stand this... i cant upload a pic or vid for my life...

theres the link to what we were doing today
 
Standing presses
135x10
135x10
175x5
225x3

Incline db
70x10
90x10
105x10
120x8
130x6

My shoulder hurts.

Incline flys light focusing on stretch

30x10
35x10
40x10


Peck deck

Whole stack x10 three times


Skull crushers

100x10
100x10
110x8
110x8
 
off day today my gyms closed...

did about 500 pushups as a feeder for yesterdays chest/shoulder w/o

HAPPY EASTER TO ALL
 
from epi to primobolan just like that



this is my kind of log, and hell im an ex IV methamphetamine addict. But DONT go overboard like i did on my cycle, i learned the hard way more does not = better


but im all for 2-3 compounds as of now


primo good to go for cut/strength/mass retention- i wanna try that some itme


maybe a
test prop
anavar
primobolan
masteron prop (only the last 4 wks)
 
The primo is definitely mild, but I'm enjoying it for sure... I wanted to keep this cycle mild, and get some fat off me from my last bulk..

Meth hasn't hit nj too hard yet..... mostly dope, but I would have tried anything ...

You're right, more does not=better .. hopefully I can set some sort of example of what kind of gains can come from a good mild short cycle.. keep killing it schwell
 
Today I did back..

Db rows

70x10
120x10
130x10
150x8
150x8

Bw Pullupsx10
+45 10
+90 7 struggling
+115 4

Then did a few sets till failure bw only

Pullovers

70x10
80x10
80x10

Pulldowns behind neck

100x15
120x10
130x 8
115x15

Did some bi work, no need to mention bis as they are worthless

Some notes

Tried deadlifting light to asses damage done to hamstring... not good

Agressiveness is up.

Libido is down- nbd.. i can perform, just don't feel like it

Weight is staying at 205 even after yesterdays easter binge.

Bf melting away+strength gains = I love winni

Joints are doing better with glucosamine msm condroitn 6 g fishoil and cissus

Nip is under control @ 1.25mg letro .. tried to taper to .5 not working (maybe too fast)

Skipping leg day tomorrow but I cant take off so I may just hit cardio/abs as hard as possible

Overall I'm still winning .... started cycle around 12-15% bf id say I'm down to 10% already....
 
115??? Jesus, I'm not going to be able to keep up.
 
sweet pull-ups, they dont affect your bicep tendons or elbows going that heavy/low rep? I heard mixed thing about heavy vertical pulling.
 
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