first time with PHs

domdiesel123

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im 5'10 , 163lbs. im 18, i know i shouldnt be doing this, i know the consequences and i dont really care. some kid i know from my school would take steriods, pretty sure didnt take any pcts and then just starve himself for wrestling. im no where near as retarded as that and i dont plan on becoming a regular user of this either. im trying to just get stronger and cut quicker i dont care if i get bigger or not, if this is even possible which PHs should i take for my first time.
 
u need to start caring about urself and not treat PHs like a miracle pill. diet, dedication, and patience is what u need.
 
domdiesel123 said:
im 5'10 , 163lbs. im 18, i know i shouldnt be doing this, i know the consequences and i dont really care. some kid i know from my school would take steriods, pretty sure didnt take any pcts and then just starve himself for wrestling. im no where near as retarded as that and i dont plan on becoming a regular user of this either. im trying to just get stronger and cut quicker i dont care if i get bigger or not, if this is even possible which PHs should i take for my first time.
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Much better, thank you.

You are too young but to each his own (i took my first one at 18 too). How are your diet and workouts? Make sure you putting the right food in your body before doing a PH so you will see better results. Most first time users try H-drol, P-Mag, or Epistane. If you wanna lean out, I would choose Epistane, its one of my favorites
 
Boagrius said:
Much better, thank you.

You are too young but to each his own (i took my first one at 18 too). How are your diet and workouts? Make sure you putting the right food in your body before doing a PH so you will see better results. Most first time users try H-drol, P-Mag, or Epistane. If you wanna lean out, I would choose Epistane, its one of my favorites
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school really ****s me over with eating, but i getting around 2k-2.5k cals a day and 1 gram of protien per lb of weight i have. does it matter if my carbs are around my protien intake, the whole keto thing just seems hard when you dont have a job and have school.
 
domdiesel123 said:
school really ****s me over with eating, but i getting around 2k-2.5k cals a day and 1 gram of protien per lb of weight i have. does it matter if my carbs are around my protien intake, the whole keto thing just seems hard when you dont have a job and have school.
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Carbs need to be complex and spread throughout the day. Stick with whole grain, brown rice, beans, etc. Try to avoid simple carbs (sugars) because they will do nothing good for you. You can have a good amount of carbs just make em good ones
 
Boagrius said:
Carbs need to be complex and spread throughout the day. Stick with whole grain, brown rice, beans, etc. Try to avoid simple carbs (sugars) because they will do nothing good for you. You can have a good amount of carbs just make em good ones
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ya my diets pretty clean. ive looked at epistane before, but i couldnt find a place that sells it. where can i get it? and for a pct would i use nolvadex
 
go to your local nutrition shop, and ask him to show u what he has behind the counter, lol
 
domdiesel123 said:
ive done that. its not a miracle pill, its just a shortcut.
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fail. PHs or any steroid should be used to break through a plateau, or get to a goal that would be insermountable naturally. not a shortcut to cut weight.
 
don't do that to yourself, in 4 years you'll look back and think "how stupid was i to do that at 18", your body is in it's prime to do things naturally, take advantage of it
 
domdiesel123 said:
******* there would be like, ya its pretty good but buy this supplement its twice as good lol.
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LOL. im serious though, most nutrition shops keep ph's behind the counter so they aren't in plain sight, but they are there. Not like you gotta walk in, give him a password and peform some sacred handshake, aha.
 
DaJaP said:
LOL. im serious though, most nutrition shops keep ph's behind the counter so they aren't in plain sight, but they are there. Not like you gotta walk in, give him a password and peform some sacred handshake, aha.
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you think nutrishop or gnc would have them?
 
nah, def not gnc. more like a "mom and pop" shop, not a chain. never heard of nutrishop, if u got ufood's around with supplement centers, try there
 
alright but if you read my paragraph this kid got pretty big over 1 summer and then just diminished to nothing and kept doing that for like 2 years
 
specmike said:
Actually yes, it can.
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it can mess with ur body, even if u take it once. I took havoc when i was 18, and nolva was a PCT clearly wasnt enough (young and stupid, lol), ahevnt tried a PH since. Still get gyno flare ups randomly cuz of it. So if your dead set on doing it, make sure you take all the precautions and dont half ass it
 
I'm not saying it happens every day but do some reading. You'll find people posting here that they did 1 cycle and ended up on HRT for the rest of their lives.
 
specmike said:
I'm not saying it happens every day but do some reading. You'll find people posting here that they did 1 cycle and ended up on HRT for the rest of their lives.
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i bet he still takes a PH regardless of what everyone has said.
 
808rebel said:
i bet he still takes a PH regardless of what everyone has said.
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In that case, I say we suggest SD.

Seriously, here's the bottom line - warn someone once. If they don't choose to heed those warnings, then natural selection takes its course.

More room in the gym for me.
 
i really hope you read everything im about to say and not skim over it. here is my story (well my cousins story, but i have a strong influence on him)

Matthew (my cousin) was 15 and looked up to me for working out. his older brother is a juice head and is 24. his older brother gave him two bottles of Mdrol and matt put on about 10 pounds/bottle. matt is 16 now, PH/Steroid Free for 2 years. He is 6ft, 230 pounds. you know why he is 230? not from Mdrol. From listening to myself as well as Texaslifter89. we pretty much mentored this kid and taught him everything we know about diet and training. his life is training and eating. sure i hook him up with supplements, but not very often because i want him to get his results from nutrition and training. He was soooo stubborn when he first took mdrol. he didnt care about any sides because all of his friends at school were taking the latest superdrol clone and were getting big. i would lecture him day in and day out and he said he didnt care because he would be swole. well guess what. now he says he wish he would have listened to me. he has gyno and extremely low T levels. He cant go to the doc cause he doesnt want his mom to know he was on something so i try to help him out in that area. one day, i went to his house to make sure he is feeling ok (while on Mdrol) and his face was yellow and his eyes were yellow. he didnt wanna go to the doc (signs of liver failure). so i told him to drink a crap ton of water, get the crap off of Mdrol and load on milk thistle.

Conclusion: PM me if u really dont care at all about sides. I will lead you in the right direction (or post on here). when its all said and done, u will do what u want. id rather u do it the right way than the wrong way. but bro, at 18, u dont realize how much u can screw your body up. most of the sides you wont see right now. its gonna be funny when your friends are 25 and cant get it up for there girlfriend or have to be on HRT for life or have liver failure if they dont know what there doing. you really need to reconsider this.

last point: lets say you gain ten pounds. if u arent eating for your new weight, your gonna lose it all in a matter of a few weeks so whats the point. are you gonna risk so much for a few pounds when u can eat ur butt off and train hard and gain even more than that? if u wanna take something, take a natural stack with a raw pre workout and bcaas. not juice. id rather u take the real juice than a crappy PH. all those PH are crap to me.
 
MidwestBeast said:
Seriously, here's the bottom line - warn someone once. If they don't choose to heed those warnings, then natural selection takes its course.
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i agree completely. im a firm believer of natural selection.
 
808rebel said:
i agree completely. im a firm believer of natural selection.
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im obviously gonna get a pct and other stuff for my liver. you act as if im retarded and im going to keep taking bottle after bottle. sure 1 use can be bad IF i do it wrong. if you do it right one time, im pretty sure you cant do much harm. instead of saying im gonna die why not help me lol. website is called anabolic minds for christsake i figure id have better luck over here then bodybuilding.com but i guess not.
 
domdiesel123 said:
im obviously gonna get a pct and other stuff for my liver. you act as if im retarded and im going to keep taking bottle after bottle. sure 1 use can be bad IF i do it wrong. if you do it right one time, im pretty sure you cant do much harm. instead of saying im gonna die why not help me lol. website is called anabolic minds for christsake i figure id have better luck over here then bodybuilding.com but i guess not.
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Why even ask if you know it all already? People that have replied to you aren't making this sh1t up. No one is saying you are retarded but you asked the question and people answered honestly and in a way that shows concern for your health. At your age, you will very very very likely do more harm than good using PHs right now.

That said, I'll give you the answer you wanted.
Hells yeah Bro! Go for it. I know this dude, Oliver Ledbetter, that rassled in high school. He was on 50mg a day of Superdrol stacked with 300mg a day Epi to cut with. He was a beast! Also....yer gonna need about a gallon of Nolva, a bra, your own liver dialysis machine, and a 55gal drum of lard to keep your lipids up.

FYI, now they call my buddy Noliver Ledbetter or after that Pearl Jam song, "Yellow" Ledbetter.

Rock on :op:
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specmike said:
Why even ask if you know it all already? People that have replied to you aren't making this sh1t up. No one is saying you are retarded but you asked the question and people answered honestly and in a way that shows concern for your health. At your age, you will very very very likely do more harm than good using PHs right now.

That said, I'll give you the answer you wanted.
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lol. assuming i did it right my first time which would also be my last, how bad would it be for me?
 
domdiesel123 said:
im obviously gonna get a pct and other stuff for my liver. you act as if im retarded and im going to keep taking bottle after bottle. sure 1 use can be bad IF i do it wrong. if you do it right one time, im pretty sure you cant do much harm. instead of saying im gonna die why not help me lol. website is called anabolic minds for christsake i figure id have better luck over here then bodybuilding.com but i guess not.
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Print this thread out, put it in a time capsule and bury it in the backyard. Pull it out in about 5 years or so and see how you feel. I remember how I was at your age, too.

Even if you have the cycle perfectly lined up - YOU CAN SCREW UP YOUR BODY. That being said, don't ridicule those who are telling you that; we're not calling you retarded - we're saying that despite having everything lined up, you're overlooking the glaring fact that you're too young.

If you don't want to hear anymore, stop posting and just PM R1Balla, as he said he'd help you.




p.s. Don't even think about trying to sue one of the companies when your internal organs fail you and ruin it for the rest of us who were smart about it.
 
MidwestBeast said:
Print this thread out, put it in a time capsule and bury it in the backyard. Pull it out in about 5 years or so and see how you feel. I remember how I was at your age, too.

Even if you have the cycle perfectly lined up - YOU CAN SCREW UP YOUR BODY. That being said, don't ridicule those who are telling you that; we're not calling you retarded - we're saying that despite having everything lined up, you're overlooking the glaring fact that you're too young.

If you don't want to hear anymore, stop posting and just PM R1Balla, as he said he'd help you.




p.s. Don't even think about trying to sue one of the companies when your internal organs fail you and ruin it for the rest of us who were smart about it.
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that can happen after 1 time? and im not trying to ridicule i know your trying to help.
 
At first you will notice your not as hungry as you usually are. Slowly this will get worse and worse. Soon you won't be able to eat more than 200 calories a day. Soon after that the smell of food will make you want to puke. After that you will start feel itchy, first just a little bit in your feet. Pretty soon that itch will work its way up to your legs and the rest of your body. Pretty soon after that you will be scratching yourself all over so bad that you start to bleed. A little later you will notice that the whites of your eyes have turned yellow. So soon after that your body starts to smell and turn yellow.....You've lost about 20 pounds within the two complete weeks that this has progressed. Now you are barely able to walk and the non-stop itching and bleeding is so bad you would not wish it on your worse enemy.


Ok, now tell me you still want to do it?
 
domdiesel123 said:
that can happen after 1 time? and im not trying to ridicule i know your trying to help.
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specmike said:
I'm not saying it happens every day but do some reading. You'll find people posting here that they did 1 cycle and ended up on HRT for the rest of their lives.
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Are you even reading the replies?

YES! IT CAN!

And, what people are trying to pound into your head is that your endocrine system is MUCH more fragile now due to your age.
 
T-Bone said:
At first you will notice your not as hungry as you usually are. Slowly this will get worse and worse. Soon you won't be able to eat more than 200 calories a day. Soon after that the smell of food will make you want to puke. After that you will start feel itchy, first just a little bit in your feet. Pretty soon that itch will work its way up to your legs and the rest of your body. Pretty soon after that you will be scratching yourself all over so bad that you start to bleed. A little later you will notice that the whites of your eyes have turned yellow. So soon after that your body starts to smell and turn yellow.....You've lost about 20 pounds within the two complete weeks that this has progressed. Now you are barely able to walk and the non-stop itching and bleeding is so bad you would not wish it on your worse enemy.


Ok, now tell me you still want to do it?
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Thats either some badass meth or wicked jaundice!! hahaha

Im not making fun but it was a funny description
 
I know it just reminded me of that show intervention and how they like claw at their skina and dont eat for days
 
What a joke. No one should be giving this kid the time of day. Honestly, posts like this are an insult to the years of hard work I've put into the gym. A shortcut to being strong and cut? So you're lifting entirely for the sake of vanity? Go take all the PHs you want then, I love seeing people like you that end up fat and pathetic in the gym by the time they are 25.

If you want to gain any kind of respect whatsoever, start learning and don't stop. Get your diet right, learn proper technique, say "**** you" to anyone who only cares about putting up as much weight as possible, and work HARD. The next few years for you are your body's PRIME as far as hormone levels that are beneficial to lifting go. If you are dedicated you can put on upwards of 20 lbs of lean mass in the next year or so WITHOUT PHs. Or you can take PHs, not learn anything about hard work, and become a joke within a few years... your choice.
 
owlicks said:
What a joke. No one should be giving this kid the time of day. Honestly, posts like this are an insult to the years of hard work I've put into the gym. A shortcut to being strong and cut? So you're lifting entirely for the sake of vanity? Go take all the PHs you want then, I love seeing people like you that end up fat and pathetic in the gym by the time they are 25.

If you want to gain any kind of respect whatsoever, start learning and don't stop. Get your diet right, learn proper technique, say "**** you" to anyone who only cares about putting up as much weight as possible, and work HARD. The next few years for you are your body's PRIME as far as hormone levels that are beneficial to lifting go. If you are dedicated you can put on upwards of 20 lbs of lean mass in the next year or so WITHOUT PHs. Or you can take PHs, not learn anything about hard work, and become a joke within a few years... your choice.
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not vanity, marines.
 
domdiesel123 said:
ya but how good are the odds of that happening if it was real good i dont think you would be seeing people around my age taking them
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On the contrary. People your age tend not to care about what might or might not happen. They will just roll the dice. If your smart, you will think twice about it. You can take all the precautions in the world and something like I described can still happen to you. At your age you have a ton of testosterone flowing already. There is no need for this type of product for someone your age. My opinion is you don't really want to even consider anything like this till the age of 30 years. Just eat. That is all you have to do at 18 years old. Eat and you will grow, that is the natural way things go at your age. If your a "hard gainer" I would recommend a book called Invalid Link Removed.

Read and follow that book and come back here in 3 months after you've been following that plan. I bet you will have gained at least 10-15 pounds of Solid muscle.


I hope you actually take my advice as I took the time to actually think about it and write out this post for you. Good luck.
 
I'm a fighter too, I used phs but never for cut.

Avoid ph for cutting purpose, diet and cardio is enough.. I know it's hard but that what fighting is about.. Holdon and keep going!
 
This is the problem with your age. not all sides you will see now so kids think its fine to take them but they dont see the immediate sides. i guarantee you if your friends had blood work done after a cycle, your doc would freak out. (hormone panel). unless you have bad luck with PHs, the immediate sides (most common) you will see are gyno, acne, maybe some hair loss, and your growth plates will start to seal.

The later/potential sides that your age doesnt realize: Low test for life/high estro, other hormone problems that affect a wide variety of things.

Let me ask you this question: Do you even know what a PH or steroid does in your body? (long story short). do u know the purpose of PCT or on cycle liver assist?


Your body's testosterone production is controlled by a group of nerve cells at the base of the brain, called the hypothalamus. The hypothalamus also does a lot of other things. It helps control appetite, blood pressure, moods, and reproductive ability.

Anabolic steroids can change the messages the hypothalamus sends to the body. This can disrupt normal hormone function.

In guys, anabolic steroids can interfere with the normal production of testosterone. They can also act directly on the testes and cause them to shrink. This can result in a lower sperm count and reproductive ability. They can also cause an irreversible loss of scalp hair.

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here are some other risks

* premature balding or hair loss
* dizziness
* mood swings, including anger, aggression, and depression
* extreme feelings of mistrust or fear (paranoia)
* problems sleeping
* nausea and vomiting
* trembling
* high blood pressure that can damage the heart or blood vessels over time
* aching joints
* greater chance of injuring muscles and tendons
* jaundice or yellowing of the skin; liver damage
* urinary problems
* shortening of final adult height
* increased risk of developing heart disease, stroke, and some types of cancer
 
Also, you can simply take a natural stack and train hard and eat alot and make similar gains and your less likely to lose half of your pounds you gained and its better for you.

Something like this

HGHup + Free Test (or Prime) + Creatine Nitrate and a pre workout of your choice

heck, there are people who claim they got results similar to a PH from creatine nitrate alone.
 
tunadrol, steakodrol, burgerdrol, milkabol, and eggistane

seriously the best stack and you can run it forever with NO PCT! seriously kid, listen to these guys.

i was like you when i was young and in school, i wanted to be the biggest and the baddest on the outside to match how i fealt on the inside. you know what got me bigger and stronger? lots of food, lots of sleep, trained like an animal, and lots of girls...for real dude, your test is at its best, dont **** that up, wait a couple years

if your really intent on useing a supp, creatine protein BCAA's and a daily vitamin
 
domdiesel123 said:
not vanity, marines.
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so your going into the marines? dude, you wont need a single damn suppliment. i have friends who have gone off into the marines and come back built like f*ckin brick sh*t houses. they are not stupid, they train you, they work you and they feed you..well, your first weeks will be hell but after you have servived boot camp you will be carved outa wood.
 
divo006 said:
so your going into the marines? dude, you wont need a single damn suppliment. i have friends who have gone off into the marines and come back built like f*ckin brick sh*t houses. they are not stupid, they train you, they work you and they feed you..well, your first weeks will be hell but after you have servived boot camp you will be carved outa wood.
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I was thinking about that earlier. He's already listing 200lbs too. That's going to be rough on the feet, knees, and shins of you are not already a runner.

Here's another thing to think about. Taking a short cut now is an extreme compromise. If you can force yourself to wait, hit your ABSOLUTE maximum natural potential without PHs/PSs/AASs. Then if you ever do decide to do them in the future, the end result is likely to be a LOT better. You are a BIG kid apparently. Don't screw up what's going to happen naturally.
 
specmike said:
I was thinking about that earlier. He's already listing 200lbs too. That's going to be rough on the feet, knees, and shins of you are not already a runner.

Here's another thing to think about. Taking a short cut now is an extreme compromise. If you can force yourself to wait, hit your ABSOLUTE maximum natural potential without PHs/PSs/AASs. Then if you ever do decide to do them in the future, the end result is likely to be a LOT better. You are a BIG kid apparently. Don't screw up what's going to happen naturally.
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in his original post he listed that he was 5'10 163lbs so he's on the leaner side. he's only 18 and should easily be able to bump up 20 lbs with a good diet and workout. marines will defenitly put some raw muscle weight on ya
 
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