M1 4ADD?

[eluruguayo]

hi all --

i bought some M1 4ADD from an online warehouse last year. in considering a springtime bulk cycle, i've read up on this compound (and also on alpha one), and have seen much talk about some bunk M1 4ADD a few years back. apparently CEL traded product for product, etc.

my batch is lot # 051209, exp 05/11. is this the real thing? CEL reps please advise.

also, if this happens to be a bunk batch, not sure what i should do, since CEL doesn't make ph's anymore. maybe trade for some pct assist?

muchas gracias

 

[bashman]

It won't be bunk man. I don't even believe the "bunk M-Drol" that was brought up a while ago. There only reason these accusations stuck with some people is mainly due to other companies/reps adding wood to the fire i.e NTBM.

When NTBM released Beastdrol and some people had the same lackluster results, all of a sudden NTBM reps claim the notion of them being "non responders"

In conclusion, you will be fine as CEL made solid clones and are trusted by many users.

 

[mw1]

hi all --

i bought some M1 4ADD from an online warehouse last year. in considering a springtime bulk cycle, i've read up on this compound (and also on alpha one), and have seen much talk about some bunk M1 4ADD a few years back. apparently CEL traded product for product, etc.

my batch is lot # 051209, exp 05/11. is this the real thing? CEL reps please advise.

also, if this happens to be a bunk batch, not sure what i should do, since CEL doesn't make ph's anymore. maybe trade for some pct assist?

muchas gracias

The batch of M14add that we recalled had had an exp date of 2009 I believe.

 

[bashman]

The batch of M14add that we recalled had had an exp date of 2009 I believe.

So there actually was a bunk batch? A trainer at my gym used a 2009 batch and saw great results.

 

[Bry17]

So there actually was a bunk batch? A trainer at my gym used a 2009 batch and saw great results.

There was some discrepancy as to whether it was bunk as it tested fine, but it was an issue with standardizing. The lab (Proviant, I think) didn't have anything to compare m14add to by GC/MS chromatography. Whatever the case, the batch that was recalled were white bottles with lot # P4075. That was a long time ago so I highly doubt anyone has that batch or any "bunk" batch for that matter.

 

[eluruguayo]

thanks to CEL reps.

you think i'd be good by stacking this stuff with furuza, in order to combat the bloat / water retention?

if you would, please give your feedback on the following cycle plans:

1) non bridge
start loading cycle support 1 wk prior
furuza 200/200/250/250/300/300
m14add 0/0/90/90/120/120
support: cycle support, formestane if necessary

pct:
cycle support
pct assist
clomid (usp grade, not research chem) 75/50/50/25
inhibit-e 2 caps / 2 caps / 1 cap / 1 cap
reduce-xt 3 caps / 3 caps / 3 caps / 3 caps
creatine, stims, NO product as needed

2) bridge with d-zine (more intense):
start loading cycle support 1wk prior
furuza 300/300/300/300/300/300
m14add 90/90/90/90/0/0
d-zine 0/0/30/30/45/45

pct:
cycle support
pct assist
clomid (usp grade, not research chem) 100/75/50/25
inhibit-e 2 caps / 2 caps / 1 cap / 1 cap
reduce-xt 3 caps / 3 caps / 3 caps / 3 caps
creatine, stims, NO product as needed

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background:
i've run 5-6 cycles in the past and am very tolerant of this stuff -- in fact, back in the day when you could just buy SD over the counter (and before the internet was around to make us all smarter), i ran a cycle of SD with no pct other than 6-oxo and i was totally fine, no sides, recovered t levels within a month.
my last cycle was p-plex/h-drol 6 week bridge, with the same pct given for #1 above. i had lab work done after pct and i had recovered to T levels that were higher than pre-cycle (917!! vs ~700 pre cycle), and my lipids were good.

given this background, do you guys think that cycle #2 is overkill? i know that it's generally not recommended to dose 3 products in one cycle, but, as noted above, i seem to be unusually tolerant of this stuff.

thanks much.

 

[Bry17]

furuza 200/200/250/250/300/300
m14add 0/0/90/90/120/120
support: cycle support, formestane if necessary

I like this one better. M14ADD will give you great gains, and if you have enough for a 5th week~that'd be good too.

pct:
cycle support
pct assist
clomid (usp grade, not research chem) 75/50/50/25
inhibit-e 2 caps / 2 caps / 1 cap / 1 cap
reduce-xt 3 caps / 3 caps / 3 caps / 3 caps
creatine, stims, NO product as needed

Good PCT.

given this background, do you guys think that cycle #2 is overkill? i know that it's generally not recommended to dose 3 products in one cycle, but, as noted above, i seem to be unusually tolerant of this stuff.

thanks much.

Don't jinx your luck. Your cycle #2 has a good overall outline, and it's okay to run it, but I think #1 is better for you. Especially if you've never run m14(I assume you haven't).

 

[eluruguayo]

I like this one better. M14ADD will give you great gains, and if you have enough for a 5th week~that'd be good too.

i have 2 bottles = 120 caps. so that is enough to run
90/90/90/120/120
which would be 119 caps. i guess i could add cap #120 to the end of the third week, so we'd have twenty days at 90 (one bottle) and fifteen at 120 (another bottle).

thanks for the feedback, i will run this cycle.

one more question:
should i do this...
furuza 200/200/250/250/300/300
m14add 0/90/90/90/120/120
i.e., 1 week of solo furuza and 5 weeks stack...

...or this...
furuza 200/200/250/250/300/300/300
m14add 0/0/90/90/90/120/120
i.e., 2 weeks of solo furuza and 5 weeks stack?

i assume you had the first of these options in mind, since 6 weeks total seems to be a magic number of sorts. but, as always, your thoughts are valued.

Good PCT.

ya, i don't want to **** around in that dept.

last question: should i use the formestane as a preventative on cycle, or should i just keep it on hand and use it if i start feeling like a woman?

thx

 

[Bry17]

i have 2 bottles = 120 caps. so that is enough to run
90/90/90/120/120
which would be 119 caps. i guess i could add cap #120 to the end of the third week, so we'd have twenty days at 90 (one bottle) and fifteen at 120 (another bottle).

Good. 5 weeks is ideal.

one more question:
should i do this...
furuza 200/200/250/250/300/300
m14add 0/90/90/90/120/120
i.e., 1 week of solo furuza and 5 weeks stack...

...or this...
furuza 200/200/250/250/300/300/300
m14add 0/0/90/90/90/120/120
i.e., 2 weeks of solo furuza and 5 weeks stack?

i assume you had the first of these options in mind, since 6 weeks total seems to be a magic number of sorts. but, as always, your thoughts are valued.

Honestly, either of those would be fine. As long as the M14 does not exceed 6 continuous weeks and the furuza does not exceed 8, then the layouts are fine. You could even do..

furuza 200/200/250/250/300/300/300/300
m14add 0/0/0/90/90/90/120/120

..if you had enough furuza.

last question: should i use the formestane as a preventative on cycle, or should i just keep it on hand and use it if i start feeling like a woman?

If you experience a bloated look and you feel like your nipples are irritating, then you can start applying some formestane every other night~about 4 squirts to the skin.

 

[eluruguayo]

Honestly, either of those would be fine. As long as the M14 does not exceed 6 continuous weeks and the furuza does not exceed 8, then the layouts are fine. You could even do..

furuza 200/200/250/250/300/300/300/300
m14add 0/0/0/90/90/90/120/120

i'm going to stick with seven weeks, because i go back home to uruguay the 2 of july and want to be done with pct by then. (7 + 4 = 11 weeks from now will be 29 of june, so that's perfect.)

..if you had enough furuza.

ya, i have tons of furuza. i think i have twelve bottles, from a killer online promotion.

If you experience a bloated look and you feel like your nipples are irritating, then you can start applying some formestane every other night~about 4 squirts to the skin.

i have 2 more questions --

1, how to distinguish "a bloated look" from water retention? i understand that m14 retains water, i don't see how i can tell that apart from the sort of float that will trigger the formestane.

2, diet question: right now i'm eating a separation diet with meals of only fat/protein, except for carbs at three times: (1) ~75g before workout, (2) ~75g after workout, (3) ~50g morning after a weight workout (i work out at night).
am i going to have to increase carbs on this compound, or is 150-200g on workout days (and essentially 0 on non workout days, 1-2x week) enough? i'm loath to change this diet, since it has served me incredibly well and is the only good diet that i've been able to maintain without frustracion.

thanks much for your time & responses!

 

[Bry17]

i'm going to stick with seven weeks, because i go back home to uruguay the 2 of july and want to be done with pct by then. (7 + 4 = 11 weeks from now will be 29 of june, so that's perfect.)

Cool.

ya, i have tons of furuza. i think i have twelve bottles,

:wow:

1, how to distinguish "a bloated look" from water retention? i understand that m14 retains water, i don't see how i can tell that apart from the sort of float that will trigger the formestane.

You will know the kind of 'bloat' i'm talking about if you experience it. Your muscles may become smooth, your complexion could possibly change to a pale color, and your face will take on a puffy overtone. These characteristics can be associated with "estrogen bloat." Most of them can be postponed/erased with formestane, I believe.

2, diet question: right now i'm eating a separation diet with meals of only fat/protein, except for carbs at three times: (1) ~75g before workout, (2) ~75g after workout, (3) ~50g morning after a weight workout (i work out at night).
am i going to have to increase carbs on this compound, or is 150-200g on workout days (and essentially 0 on non workout days, 1-2x week) enough? i'm loath to change this diet, since it has served me incredibly well and is the only good diet that i've been able to maintain without frustracion.

M14ADD is a real bulker. You are going to want carbs to utilize its weight gaining potential effectively. But, if this diet has worked well for you, then it will only amplify on the steroid so I think you're fine. Just keep in mind the benefits of carbs in relation to gains.

 

[eluruguayo]

WOW

hey, i wanted quality, and you guys stopped making ph's. so i bought enough for a few yrs.

M14ADD is a real bulker. You are going to want carbs to utilize its weight gaining potential effectively. But, if this diet has worked well for you, then it will only amplify on the steroid so I think you're fine. Just keep in mind the benefits of carbs in relation to gains.

i guess i will just add more carbs on the non workout days, for added recovery. i gain fat rather easily, though, so i need to be cautious -- i will probably stay below 250g carbs on weight days, 200g on track days*, and 50-100g rest days. i would rather sacrifice some of the gains in order to stay leaner, i don't plan to increase by more than 2000kj/day (= 500 cals/day).

*i was a nacional junior sprinter, so i do all my cardio by running (depressingly slow) track workouts. these are the equivalent of what i've seen called HIIT (high intensity interval training) here in america -- for ex: 200m run, 100m jog, 200m run, 100m jog, etc. x 8

question 1:
should i cut back on these track workouts while i'm on the gainer supps?

question 2:
(please answer honestly, you can include a "this is just my opinion" disclaimer if you want) how long after the expiration is this stuff good, in general?


again thx much.

 

[Bry17]

hey, i wanted quality, and you guys stopped making ph's. so i bought enough for a few yrs.

Smart man.

i guess i will just add more carbs on the non workout days, for added recovery. i gain fat rather easily, though, so i need to be cautious -- i will probably stay below 250g carbs on weight days, 200g on track days*, and 50-100g rest days. i would rather sacrifice some of the gains in order to stay leaner, i don't plan to increase by more than 2000kj/day (= 500 cals/day).

*i was a nacional junior sprinter, so i do all my cardio by running (depressingly slow) track workouts. these are the equivalent of what i've seen called HIIT (high intensity interval training) here in america -- for ex: 200m run, 100m jog, 200m run, 100m jog, etc. x 8

question 1:
should i cut back on these track workouts while i'm on the gainer supps?

It depends on what your goals are. If you're looking to bulk, you'll want to cut the workouts. If you're looking to eat at maintenance and workout in an aerobic and anaerobic fashion then you can keep the track workouts. Just don't cut or do too much cardio, is my advice and opinion.

question 2:
(please answer honestly, you can include a "this is just my opinion" disclaimer if you want) how long after the expiration is this stuff good, in general?

.

Steroid molecules are not easily decomposed outside of bodily metabolism. It would take quite a bit of natural effort(extreme heat for example) for your ph's to be rendered inactive if they're just sitting in your cabinet. They will be good for years to come.

 

[eluruguayo]

It depends on what your goals are. If you're looking to bulk, you'll want to cut the workouts. If you're looking to eat at maintenance and workout in an aerobic and anaerobic fashion then you can keep the track workouts. Just don't cut or do too much cardio, is my advice and opinion.

point noted.
it's hard to say how many kj/cals these workouts burn, they don't take that long (about 15-20 min tops + warmup + cooldown + stretch) but i'm running pretty hard. my heart rate stays high for a while after.

primary goal is to recomp with a couple kgs of weight gain, mostly in the upper body. i'm built like a typical afro-uruguayo, so i need some help in building mass on pecs and shoulders :yup:
i do rhythm/percussion and step shows, so i don't want to gain so many kgs that my balance is affected. but an extra 2-4kgs of muscle would be nice.

with that goal in mind -- i'm thinking this:
500 cals (2000 kj) over maintenance per day
2x/week track instead of my usual 3x
3x weights/week (this is my usual)
2x/week active rest
1hr extra sleep/night

... then, after pct, go back to 3x/week track and 1x/week rest.

any critique?

thx for all your responses, it has been helpful.

 

[Bry17]

point noted.
it's hard to say how many kj/cals these workouts burn, they don't take that long (about 15-20 min tops + warmup + cooldown + stretch) but i'm running pretty hard. my heart rate stays high for a while after.

primary goal is to recomp with a couple kgs of weight gain, mostly in the upper body. i'm built like a typical afro-uruguayo, so i need some help in building mass on pecs and shoulders :yup:
i do rhythm/percussion and step shows, so i don't want to gain so many kgs that my balance is affected. but an extra 2-4kgs of muscle would be nice.

with that goal in mind -- i'm thinking this:
500 cals (2000 kj) over maintenance per day
2x/week track instead of my usual 3x
3x weights/week (this is my usual)
2x/week active rest
1hr extra sleep/night

... then, after pct, go back to 3x/week track and 1x/week rest.

any critique?.

If you are doing this routine and find it successful during cycle, then I would not rotate anything in PCT. Eat at maintenance for your weight or above. One of the primary goals of PCT is to keep as many gains as possible, and I fear switching things up may be more detrimental than you think. It's your decision though, as I obviously don't know precisely how your workouts operate. Bust your balls and hope for the best.

 

[eluruguayo]

If you are doing this routine and find it successful during cycle, then I would not rotate anything in PCT.

ya, this is why i wrote "after pct" in my post. haha

ok, will do. if i have time i will log the cycle, if not i will just post bloodwork when it is all done.

peace & thx my man

 

[Bry17]

ya, this is why i wrote "after pct" in my post. haha

ok, will do. if i have time i will log the cycle, if not i will just post bloodwork when it is all done.

peace & thx my man

Oh, whoops lol. Then that sounds good after PCT. But, you get the gist. GL and update if you have time.

 

[eluruguayo]

i will be starting on wednesday, and will try to log entries a couple of times a week. i probably won't log track days, but i'll try to log weight days.

after PCT it's inevitable that i'm going to slow down the training a bit, because i'll be spending time with family and it takes more planning/effort to work remotely.
and because it'll be july and it's going to be freaking cold, i have a harder time getting going when it's below 10Cº outside.

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one more Q: any reports of insomnia with those 2 compounds? my plan includes taking the last dose of them within a couple hours of bedtime, but i will adjust this plan if you think that either compound could disturb sleep.
background: h-drol caused me to have insomnia for the first week, all other CEL compounds were sleep neutral.

 

[Bry17]

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one more Q: any reports of insomnia with those 2 compounds? my plan includes taking the last dose of them within a couple hours of bedtime, but i will adjust this plan if you think that either compound could disturb sleep.
background: h-drol caused me to have insomnia for the first week, all other CEL compounds were sleep neutral.

There is a chance of insomnia if you take a dose before bedtime (even 6 hours before). Try to separate your doses evenly and no later than 6-8pm so you don't run in to this problem.

 

[eluruguayo]

There is a chance of insomnia if you take a dose before bedtime (even 6 hours before). Try to separate your doses evenly and no later than 6-8pm so you don't run in to this problem.

ok.

i'm an evening-shift guy, but your point is taken -- don't take within ca. 4-6 hrs of bedtime.

final Q:
how spread out is spread out?
meaning, i'm going to be taking as many as 6 furuza pills a day on this cycle. would it work to take, say, 2 pills 3x/day, or is the half life short enough that i would actually want to take the 6 individual pills separately every 2-3 hours?
apologies if this is a stupid q, but i have read elsewhere that furuza has an uncommonly short half life.

thx again

 

[Bry17]

ok.

i'm an evening-shift guy, but your point is taken -- don't take within ca. 4-6 hrs of bedtime.

final Q:
how spread out is spread out?
meaning, i'm going to be taking as many as 6 furuza pills a day on this cycle. would it work to take, say, 2 pills 3x/day, or is the half life short enough that i would actually want to take the 6 individual pills separately every 2-3 hours?
apologies if this is a stupid q, but i have read elsewhere that furuza has an uncommonly short half life.

thx again

Spread each furuza dose out 3-4 hours. For the m14, 1 dose in the morning, and 1 before workout, preferrably. You'll need to spread the furuza out to 3 divided doses and m14 2 divided doses. 1 pill in the morning, 2 pre-WO for m14. Once you reach week 4, dose 2 pills in morning and 2 pre-WO. If you workout in the morning, then take next dose 6 hours later. Sorry if that's confusing, but it's just an example. You can find times to dose between 6: am and 6 pm in a 12 hour day evenly.

 

[eluruguayo]

not confusing at all, just what i needed.

i usually work out about 3-4 hrs before bed, so i'll
figure out how to adjust this plan accordingly.

 

[Bry17]

not confusing at all, just what i needed.

i usually work out about 3-4 hrs before bed, so i'll
figure out how to adjust this plan accordingly.

You can log it in this thread if you feel up to it. I'd follow.

 

[eluruguayo]

i think i will log in another thread, with a more appropriate title.

nothing much to log today -- i started the cycle, but today's workout was at the track. 4 x 200m, 4 x 150m, no noticeable differences in speed or flexibility. i am stretching for an extra fifteen minutes to combat any tightness that may result from the cycle, and will probably stretch for an extra 30 minutes once i start m14add.

 

[eluruguayo]

log is posted. it's in the CEL folder; i don't have enough posts to link yet.

and, in case you noticed that my weight suddenly changed by 20 pounds ... i converted the kilos incorrectly the first time xD