Whacked
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I concur but for the minority of us here who are contientious about optimum health as well as those who wish to have a solid non-steroidal/non-hormonal bridge will pay for this all day long. :afro:
5-Methyl-7-Methoxy-Isoflavone And 7-Isopropoxy-Isoflavone
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Outstanding
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Now that I'm thinking on it, just for fun, what would this cycle cost per month?
-EcdyMorph 99% Crystalline 100mg/day
-ArA 1.2g/day
-5-Methyl-7-Methoxy-Isoflavone 2g/day
-Ipriflavone 320mg/day
-True Turkesterone 3g/day (I believe they come in 600mg capsules, the website is very, very, very, very, very needlessly super-vague!)
BOOM - DO IT!
StackedCop
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Just a guess-
5 bucks a day sounds close right.
Wait... 3 grams of true Turk is insane lol that alone would be close to 5 dollars a day.
Outstanding
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If Tonvara's True Turk comes in 600mg capsules, that would only be 5 capsules a day, they aren't $1.00 per capsule are they?
The only issue is, if you go to Tonvara's official website (or there more bodybuilder oriented Turkesterone.net website I believe it is) they make it nearly IMPOSSIBLE to tell how much Turk is per capsule, and if it is 10 or 20%.
I seriously zoomed in on the screen to the max amount, and was unable to tell how much Turk was listed on the packaging per capsules. To me, this is a HUGE step in the wrong direction, and invalidates Tonvara as a viable choice for trustworthy manufacturing.
In stead of thousands of words, links, and scanned documents proclaiming the authenticity of Tonavara's Turkesterone, it should be simple: A) Show us the product page, B) Show us the per serving ingredient breakdown, C) Show us the Certificate of Legitimacy, and D) Provide links to relevant science publications.
It's not brain surgery.
Whacked
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Why would anyone stack these two? Sounds like one would simply get benefits from 5-methy-7-methoxy alone as it is derived from Ipriflavone. (confused).
Also: This is derived from soy isoflavones. I don't do soy as I tend to think it can lend itself to estrogenic sides in high doses.
Thoughts?
5-Methyl-7-Methoxy Isoflavone is a synthetic isoflavone that is derived from Ipriflavone. Ipriflavone is in turn a synthetic derivative of daidzein. Daidzein is one of the isoflavones, or phytoestrogens, that naturally occur in soybeans (others are daidzin, genisten, genistein, glycitin and glycitein).
Also: This is derived from soy isoflavones. I don't do soy as I tend to think it can lend itself to estrogenic sides in high doses.
Thoughts?5-Methyl-7-Methoxy Isoflavone is a synthetic isoflavone that is derived from Ipriflavone. Ipriflavone is in turn a synthetic derivative of daidzein. Daidzein is one of the isoflavones, or phytoestrogens, that naturally occur in soybeans (others are daidzin, genisten, genistein, glycitin and glycitein).
Outstanding
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Why would anyone stack these two? Sounds like one would simply get benefits from 5-methy-7-methoxy alone as it is derived from Ipriflavone. (confused).
Also: This is derived from soy isoflavones. I don't do soy as I tend to think it can lend itself to estrogenic sides in high doses.
5-Methyl-7-Methoxy Isoflavone is a synthetic isoflavone that is derived from Ipriflavone. Ipriflavone is in turn a synthetic derivative of daidzein. Daidzein is one of the isoflavones, or phytoestrogens, that naturally occur in soybeans (others are daidzin, genisten, genistein, glycitin and glycitein).
Every article I've ever read based on current University research shows NO impact on estrogen in men whatsoever. The soy myth has been debunked more times than Jordan stuck his tongue out during his career
Whacked
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StackedCop
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When Outstanding and I said so-that's when!!
Jk. :lol:
But really I've noticed good results when paired with Turk and ecdy in the form of UN animal Mstak. Outstanding is one of the only other guys on here I've ran into who has noticed good results also. Maybe it's just cuz were are super human beasts. I don't know...
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StackedCop
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Between you and rochap I'm confused lol
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StackedCop
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Anyway... Lol I just started ArA (x factor advanced) and will add in ecdymorph when iforce releases theirs then also will add 5,7 methoxy 
I want to add the methoxy now but I've never used ARA and wanna see how it effects me...
I want to add the methoxy now but I've never used ARA and wanna see how it effects me...Outstanding
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Don't drag me into this!
Yes, Super Human Beasts... that is the final scientific explanation...
Outstanding
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Anyway... Lol I just started ArA (x factor advanced) and will add in ecdymorph when iforce releases theirs then also will add 5,7 methoxy
You're in for ONE HECK OF A RIDE!!!
Someday, when I'm big and grown up and feel like slaughtering my paycheck for the betterment of my biceps circumference... I'm going to re-stack ArA, Turk, 5,7 Methoxy, Ipriflavone, and EcdyMorph! However, I'd rather do a couple trades online with stocks before that, or even buy a new laptop.
StackedCop
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You're in for ONE HECK OF A RIDE!!!
Someday, when I'm big and grown up and feel like slaughtering my paycheck for the betterment of my biceps circumference... I'm going to re-stack ArA, Turk, 5,7 Methoxy, Ipriflavone, and EcdyMorph! However, I'd rather do a couple trades online with stocks before that, or even buy a new laptop.
I know it's expensive lol but I'm only doing ArA, 5,7 methoxy and EM.
StackedCop
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I've ran them together at around 600-800mg daily. Increased muscle fullness, strength and vascularlity. This was only a 3 week run then i ran out of it lol
Patuba
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I know a company that ALMOST had all the right ingredients in shall we say a PAK... To this day it's the only OTC supplement to give real gains... But I refuse to support this company since they are asshol*s.
I have bulk methoxy, Ipriflavone and for ArA x factor on hand. Once Iforce comes out with their ecdymorph I will stack it all and note the anabolic awesomeness
It looks like you liked M-Stak before, what happened?
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StackedCop
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Like i said it's one of the best sups ive used but I had a bad run in with a few company reps when I called to ask about the ecdy used. Turns out they use cheap low grade ecdy. I'm really hoping ecdymorph stacked with 5,7 methoxy and maybe Turk or ArA give me the same results.
Patuba
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Good to know the product is good but it sucks that a bad experience with some reps now keep you away from a product you liked.
StackedCop
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I'm gonna make my own m stack with bulks lol
Patuba
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I'm going to try M-Stak in a couple of weeks with Animal Stak. I hope it works as good for me as it has for some other people.
StackedCop
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The best runs with mstack was at 2 packs a day.
Patuba
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Good to know. Too bad there are only 21 paks in a container. I'm hoping taking M-Stak and Stak together will give me good results.
adawg4929
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600-800mg of each?
StackedCop
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Yes sir
Outstanding
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The company, at least everything they've showed to me and others I know and trust, has tarnished it's own reputation time and time again over the years. Sad really, it's not hard, at all... make good quality products, be honest and concerned with your customers. The end.
This!
StackedCop
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The company, at least everything they've showed to me and others I know and trust, has tarnished it's own reputation time and time again over the years. Sad really, it's not hard, at all... make good quality products, be honest and concerned with your customers. The end.
This!
Whoop whoop!!
StackedCop
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Might have to buy some of this to take with my ECDY. I still have a few hundred grams of methoxy in my stash.