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5-Methyl-7-Methoxy-Isoflavone And 7-Isopropoxy-Isoflavone

wojo said:
i used methoxy at 2 grams a day.i split the dosages up over 5 meals.at the time i did it i was using syntrax's,it worked great for fatloss i mean i had poity cheek bones.lol. oh yea and at that dosage i had to stop because it was killing my joints..oh and i used this a few years ago and i only noticed results when i split it up over multiple dosages
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Good to know, thanks. What were your 5 meals like?

I'm ten days into a 1.5 gram a day over 3 meals.
 
back then i working 2 jobs so it was a mix of mrp's(for convenience) and whole food.like i would drink a mrp mixed with skim and eat a banana one meal and then chicken and a potatoe when i got home or inbetween jobs..pretty hectic but i was regimented..i was shooting for 40-50 grams of protein a meal.very tempted to cap some now and try it again but i got banaba leaf 20% extract to try first.
 
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JJC said:
Any updates IvyLeaguePump?
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Yes! I am now into my cycle a little over 2 weeks, and I am up to 180 lbs. I weighed in at 181.7 on 2/19, but it varies day to day.

But, I started at 174, so I would say I am making nice gains. My strength has increased for almost every exercise I do, but nothing too noticable physically.

I am still on a good diet, except I had a couple of beers last night. Other than the empty calories, I don't that it effected me.

After 4 weeks, I will post a list the gains for each individual exercise. I dont have my notebook on me right now. Plus, I think giving it a little more time will help assess the results.

But, as of now, I can say that it is having a positive effect on me at 1500mg a day, in three seperate doses with 30+ grams of protien with each serving. Also, one of my servings is with a Muscle Milk shake right after workout, which is usually mid-afternoon.
 
Does anybody know if methoxy must be cycled off? I'm planning a longer-than-usual run with a few supplements, and it would be mean running methoxy for about 16 weeks long.

Any reasons to cycle off?
 
Highlanda01602 said:
Does anybody know if methoxy must be cycled off? I'm planning a longer-than-usual run with a few supplements, and it would be mean running methoxy for about 16 weeks long.

Any reasons to cycle off?
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If you mean, will it harm you? I doubt it.

But, I would think it would be less effective by taking it for that long, as your body builds a tolerance for the supplement.

I plan on running it for 8 weeks.

Im sure someone else can shed light on this as well.
 
IvyLeaguePump is right. I would do eight weeks, pause for at least two weeks (or up to four weeks) and continue.
 
i think there a is a def effect on cortisol from my experience so i would cycle it for 8 weeks
 
JJC said:
Any more updates Ivy? (I'm about to order my methoxy, ecdy, and testofen!)
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My weight is still hovering around 180, and I see a noticable physical difference.

Im going through a big push with school work before spring break, and I am really busy right now. Everything is due on Thursday then Im free. I will give a much more detailed updated after Thur when Im done! Sorry about the update delay, but Im still on track as far as my workout routine and diet :afro:
 
IvyLeaguePump said:
My weight is still hovering around 180, and I see a noticable physical difference.

Im going through a big push with school work before spring break, and I am really busy right now. Everything is due on Thursday then Im free. I will give a much more detailed updated after Thur when Im done! Sorry about the update delay, but Im still on track as far as my workout routine and diet :afro:
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No hassles, bud! We look forward to more details when you find more time :D
 
never tried it but i will say this. I work at 24 hour fitness and right now there's a table full of "methoxybolic" with those ingredients being sold for like 5 dollars because they're beign discontinued.....that usually says something
 
GreenTempo said:
never tried it but i will say this. I work at 24 hour fitness and right now there's a table full of "methoxybolic" with those ingredients being sold for like 5 dollars because they're beign discontinued.....that usually says something
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The Methoxy products were originally introduced a few years ago, so that might be way... that being said, "methoxybolic" is the 24 hour fitness in-house product. The bottle recommends using about 50% of the amount of Methoxy I am using... and they throw in some tribulus with it.
 
OK, so it’s been about a month on 1500mg of Methoxy & 900mg of Ispriflavone.

My weight is a solid 180lbs (about 174lbs at the beginning). I’ve been eating about 2500-2800 calories a day with about 150-160 grams of protein.

My strength has definitely increased on squats as well as other leg and back work outs, but my upper strength has increased at a normal rate. That being said, I can definitely see a physical change in my upper body; my muscles look fuller. I have been working out 4-5 times a week. Occasionally, I will feel too sore to get in a 5th work out.

I would think Methoxy would mix well with creatine... but a lot of protein with each serving is needed. And, every product's recommended dosage is not enough. I feel absolutely no side effects (good or bad) from 1500mg a day, in three severing. I will probably run the Methoxy @ 1500 mg for 60 days. As of now, I have enough for 40 days.

Let me know if I left anything out :thumbsup:
 
IvyLeaguePump; said:
OK, so it’s been about a month on 1500mg of Methoxy & 900mg of Ispriflavone.

My weight is a solid 180lbs (about 174lbs at the beginning). I’ve been eating about calories a day with about 150-160 grams of protein.

My strength has definitely increased on squats as well as other leg and back work outs, but my upper strength has increased at a normal rate. That being said, I can definitely see a physical change in my upper body; my muscles look fuller. I have been working out 4-5 times a week. Occasionally, I will feel too sore to get in a 5th work out.

I would think Methoxy would mix well with creatine... but a lot of protein with each serving is needed. And, every product's recommended dosage is not enough. I feel absolutely not side effects (good or bad) from 1500mg a day, in three severing. I will probably run the Methoxy @ 1500 mg for 60 days. As of now, I have enough for 40 days.

Let me know if I left anything out :thumbsup:
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Sounds very good! Do you feel the gains you made are due to 5-Methoxy and Ipriflavone and not due to your caloric/protein intake and exercise? Your response should be useful, as I intend to do a similar stack soon.
 
strategicmove said:
Sounds very good! Do you feel the gains you made are due to 5-Methoxy and Ipriflavone and not due to your caloric/protein intake and exercise? Your response should be useful, as I intend to do a similar stack soon.
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Well, its hard to say. My diet was basically the same for about a month previous, maybe 500 cals less per day. Before that, I went overboard during Xmas :drunk:

I would say I have gained quicker than I would have without the Methoxy.

Also, Im going to start taking 2600mg - 3900mg of fish oils per day. I really hate the burps though!!!
 
IvyLeaguePump; said:
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I would say I have gained quicker than I would have without the Methoxy....
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Very cool. I literally just grabbed my package of ecdy and methoxy from my mailbox 20 min ago. I'll be doing this for only four weeks but stacked with Testofen and creatine mono as well.

I'm taking this week off for a vacation but when I get back it'll be a new schedule, a new routine, and new supps. I can't wait!

Great results and thanks for the updates, by the way.
 
This sounds like good idea, if taken with higher amounts of protein. I guess the best way to test this is up protein consumption for a month, then the second month keep the protein the same and then start supplementing.

What type of Ecdy would be best to use with the Methoxy?
 
It is to my understanding that there are hundreds of ecdysterones, but with price involved, I'd say NP's bulk option is good to go. Currently have two items awaiting my own methoxy stack. Stuff smells like ice tea powder, and tastes quite possibly the opposite
 
So I have about a 10 day supply left of my 1.5 gram a day Methoxy product, and I think Im going to add in the following to my supplement stack:

2.5 grams of creatine mono
2.5 grams of dicreatine citrate
3.5 grams of fish oil
1.5 grams of L-Isoleucine
1.5 grams of L-Valine
3 grams of L-Leucine

Im thinking this will be a good stack. I'll probably continue the Methoxy for an additional 20-30 days, but I just wanted to give a heads up that Im not just on Methoxy anymore :cool:
Thanks for following my results.
 
IvyLeaguePump; said:
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Thanks for following my results.
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Great so far, bud! We'll stay tuned :D
 
Not to hijack IvyLeague's good work, but tossing my hat into the ring as well... just started up a Methoxy/Ecdy/Ipri stack abooooout 5 minutes ago.

A dose preceding each meal of the day...
Scifit Methoxy @ 3g daily
Nutraplanet Ecdysterone powder @ ~1.8-2g daily
NOW Ipriflavone @ 1.8g daily



Dosing higher than usual in attempt to seek... higher than usual results. Going into a... higher than usual (alright I'll stop that) training regimen, as I am 2 months out from a physical event. The majority of my training is aerobics, with calisthenics apparant in nearly all of the weight sessions(Crossfit). So my focus will be on the endurance and recovery effects of this stack. I've been strugging with recovery in the recent months, and just came back from a nasty cold that took me out for a solid half-week. My training isn't exactly changing, but rather picking up in intensity - so I'll be able to provide some decently accurate results.

I'll be in every now and then to give some additional feedback along with Ivy.
 
Same here but slightly modified...just started today after a week off. (Look what you've done Strat, everyone's on this now!)

Dosing:
SciFit Methoxy @ 1 g daily (over two doses)
SciFit Ecdy @ 1.2 g daily (over four doses)
Bulk Testofen @ 1.5 g daily (over two doses)

I'm starting a new routine that focuses on the following rep ranges (to failure) in alternating weeks: week 1 is 6/6/6/25 then week 2 is 12/12/12/12 and so on with different lifts per alternating weeks.

I will be looking for growth and weight/mass gain and checking in periodically.
 
This is great guys!

I like how everyone is using different dosages; this will help compare.

What will your diets look like? Im assuming Highland will have a large amount of carbs/cals. It sounds like you are doing a triathlon or something.

JJC - you may want to consider taking the Methoxy in four 500mg dosages instead (with lots of protein!), if your schedule permits.
 
Wow! More grease to your elbows, guys :thumbsup:
 
IvyLeaguePump said:
This is great guys!

I like how everyone is using different dosages; this will help compare.

What will your diets look like? Im assuming Highland will have a large amount of carbs/cals. It sounds like you are doing a triathlon or something.

JJC - you may want to consider taking the Methoxy in four 500mg dosages instead (with lots of protein!), if your schedule permits.
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You nailed it man, training for an upcoming half-Ironman in July... have some other events with similiar demands upcoming first, but wow lol, suprised me with that one!
Yes, my typical diet is high on carbs. Fluctuates greatly however depending on the day... but for the sake of the quasi-log thing we have going here, I'll approximate to 400g/220g/60g, coming out to be about 3200-3500 kcal daily. I'm currently hovering around ~175-180. I barely ever weigh myself, but I'm going to pick up a scale next time I'm at Target or Walmart (need a food scale too).

+1 to Ivy's recommendation too on the Methoxy, spread out in 4 doses rather than 2. I think it will be worth the extra dollars for a second bottle! The testofen looks like a solid addition as well. Primordial Performance's Phyto-Test brought some impressive results in the logs around the internet, and your daily dose is over 2 (maybe even 3) times the amount of Testofen in theirs. Definite potential in that addition! I have a bottle of NP's bulk, but saving it for another time as I'm was just on Phyto-Test myself about a month ago.

Looking forward to seeing how well we do!
 
Highlanda01602 said:
+1 to Ivy's recommendation too on the Methoxy, spread out in 4 doses rather than 2. I think it will be worth the extra dollars for a second bottle!
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That's not a bad idea. I thought about it while ordering that bottle but decided against it (not sure why now...:think:).

I'll call up a local store to see if they have any I can pick up without getting hit by shipping charges.

Thanks for the suggestion guys!

I haven't tracked my diet in awhile because I just started working out in the early AM and I still need to figure out what will work for me. Regardless, I'm trying to eat clean but am less concerned with counting the numbers as I'm trying to grow. I'll give an update when I've settled on something.


By the way Highlanda, how did the Phyto-Test work out for you? I'm guessing that with what I've got going, I should experience something similar.
 
JJC said:
By the way Highlanda, how did the Phyto-Test work out for you? I'm guessing that with what I've got going, I should experience something similar.
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Phyto-Test was prettttty goooood. My focus is mainly on aerobics however, endurance training to be more precise, so I'm not the best representative for it's muscle-building qualities.

I stacked it with two others (one being Dermacrine), and while I was on, I definitly (definitly) gained strength and likely a few pounds. Weight workouts were a blast. Endurance, as in running, was mostly the same, but there was absolutely no negative impact on so. All in all, I think it was excellent product, but the price was just hard to keep up with. Excellent fit for a natural anabolic however.
So I think you have a winning stack there, for sure. With the addition of Ecdy, things get even better.
 
How are things evolving here, guys?
 
strategicmove said:
How are things evolving here, guys?
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I'm coming up on two weeks here...one workout tomorrow will round it out. Then I'm going to weigh in on Monday morning and see where I'm at.

I'll post a brief update on Monday night as I wanted to give this some time before I made any judgments.
 
JJC; said:
I'm coming up on two weeks here...one workout tomorrow will round it out. Then I'm going to weigh in on Monday morning and see where I'm at.

I'll post a brief update on Monday night as I wanted to give this some time before I made any judgments.
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Sure thing! :thumbsup:
 
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I'm just over a week in - hard to really comment, as the majority of my training just took a drastic change (treadmill to the track), but I do feel that I reaccustomed to the new challenges smoother than I had anticipated. Normally it's a terribly rough changover... pleased to find myself improving faster than last year.

I'm the character that's dosing these things high, and I've noticed zero side effects thus far. Endurance appears to up signifigantly, but I'm holding out on reservation for a bit longer. Strength wise, I feel stronger, without a doubt. My weight routines rarely repeat, but I do feel like I've gained some strength... wouldn't mention this if I didn't mean it either.
 
Highlanda01602; said:
I'm just over a week in - hard to really comment, as the majority of my training just took a drastic change (treadmill to the track), but I do feel that I reaccustomed to the new challenges smoother than I had anticipated. Normally it's a terribly rough changover... pleased to find myself improving faster than last year.

I'm the character that's dosing these things high, and I've noticed zero side effects thus far. Endurance appears to up signifigantly, but I'm holding out on reservation for a bit longer. Strength wise, I feel stronger, without a doubt. My weight routines rarely repeat, but I do feel like I've gained some strength... wouldn't mention this if I didn't mean it either.
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Sounds good! Keep it up! :thumbsup:
 
I am up to about 182lbs now (up 8 lbs total) after about 7 weeks, with one week remaining.

As you can see by my sig, Im not just on Methoxy anymore, but I highly recommend it. Ive had zero side effects with higher dosages, and I think it works will with other products.
 
I weighed in this morning after two weeks of my methoxy/ecdy/testofen stack and I'm up 3 pounds (184.5 to 187.5). It has also been two weeks of a whole new routine for me from which I haven't felt soreness like this in awhile (and I'm usually sore after almost every workout).

I haven't felt any sides but on the other hand I haven't felt any different. This doesn't necessarily means it's not working, but it doesn't necessarily mean it is. Basically, I'm not sure if the stack is responsible for my growth or my new routine or conscious effort to eat enough. I'm willing to bet it's a combo of all it.

At the end of my stack (2 more weeks), I'll post another update. If my gains in the next weeks are on the same level as the first two weeks, then I think I can lend some merit to this combo.
 
JJC said:
I weighed in this morning after two weeks of my methoxy/ecdy/testofen stack and I'm up 3 pounds (184.5 to 187.5). It has also been two weeks of a whole new routine for me from which I haven't felt soreness like this in awhile (and I'm usually sore after almost every workout).

I haven't felt any sides but on the other hand I haven't felt any different. This doesn't necessarily means it's not working, but it doesn't necessarily mean it is. Basically, I'm not sure if the stack is responsible for my growth or my new routine or conscious effort to eat enough. I'm willing to bet it's a combo of all it.

At the end of my stack (2 more weeks), I'll post another update. If my gains in the next weeks are on the same level as the first two weeks, then I think I can lend some merit to this combo.
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I'm convinced that the weight gain is definitly impacted by these supplements. I don't weight myself, but I can definintly tell that I've put on some pounds. My diet is more or less the same everyday, and I've made no effort to do anything out of the ordinary.

It's funny - I'm in such a similiar situation as you man. Today marks my 2 week mark as well, and I just drastically changed my training routines as well. Changing up the routine is exciting! Will stay tuned to see how you cycle pans out as well as the end of IvyLeagues. I'm definitly still thinking that these compounds are underrated (due to underdosed products of course).
 
Rounding off my cycle this Friday, and I have some mixed thoughts on it.

First, the good -
Strength slightly increased, endurance slightly increased (both were noticable, just not as breathtaking as some other supplements), but the main thing I noticed was RECOVERY. Normally I'm fairly stiff and slightly sore after some of the more intensive workouts of the week, but on this stuff, I felt good to go EVERY day. Literally havn't felt this before, which really suprised me. Endurance and recovery are my two main training goals, and I feel great on recovery right now. I'd also like to mention again that I just changed training styles, so naturally I was expecting to take a few extra days off to reaccustom. On the contrary, I feel better than ever.

Cannot really comment on weight gain. I feel stronger, but my training and diet basically keep me around the same weight. If anything, I gained a pound or two. Unfortunately I did not bother to weigh myself (somehow still have yet to get my ass to buy a scale!).

The not so good -
Price wise, it's tough to run when compared to other products out there. I know there is potential in these supplements, but the money MAY be better elsewhere. I'm reserving that thought only as a possibility because I'll have to see how my endurance and recovery changes after I come off this Friday. The Methoxy and Ipri were affordable, but to run the Ecdy at an effective dosage, it can be rather expensive.

Final thoughts -
Absolutely enjoyed this cycle, and will most likely do another again in the near future. The best part of this stack, IMO, is it's affinity to stick. Being non-hormonal, and indirectly impacting performance, I don't see how 1% of the progress will be lost after cycling off. Would also like to note that I experienced zero sides, and I dosed them high.
IMO, one of the best places to utilize these compounds would be in PCT, where you want every bit of protein to be fully utilized as you fight to keep your gains. Expensive, but effective.
 
OK guys, Im done with the Methoxy cycle. Im going to start an RPM + Drive combo and see how it goes! I am doing this cycle solely based on the overwhelming amount of positive reviews on this board.:study:

I hope it will give my work out a kick!!!

Thanks for reading my kinda-log!!
 
IvyLeaguePump; said:
OK guys, Im done with the Methoxy cycle. Im going to start an RPM + Drive combo and see how it goes! I am doing this cycle solely based on the overwhelming amount of positive reviews on this board.:study:

I hope it will give my work out a kick!!!

Thanks for reading my kinda-log!!
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Awesome, IvyLeague! You should also enjoy the RPM/Drive stack. Have fun! :D
 
I finished my fourth week of Methoxy+Ecdy+Testofen. In the four weeks my weight has jumped from 184.5 to 192 (+7.5 lbs).

A few caveats here:
I took a week off before starting this stack as I was on vacation. Weight loss may have occurred during that time.

Once the stack began, I was doing an entirely new routine which incorporated different rep ranges on an alternating week schedule.

I ate on a loose bulking schedule...tried to be as clean as possible while eating every 3 hours when possible. Because I didn't let calorie counting get to me, fat gain was part of the overall weight gain.

Strength gains were normal. Nothing astounding to notice here. In fact, I didn't "notice" much at all. Weight gains were pretty steady...it fluctuated though, because I didn't gain much during my 6 rep/6 rep/6 rep/25 rep weeks (~.5 each week) but gained about 2-3 during each of the 12 rep/12 rep/12 rep/12 rep weeks.


Overall, I wish I had two more weeks of these supps to line up with the program I am on just to see if the same gains continued. I might try this again in the future once I've gotten through everything I want to try.

This week I am finishing up the final days of these supps and have started week one of IGF-2 + Neovar today.
 
i might try it for a month
ecdy/methoxy/protein/DHB/ipri

ill prob start it on the 16th of june

ill make a log
 
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ok guys i read all the post on this product and I'm am really intrested in knowing what is everyones final thought? does it work or not?
 
I just read through all of this too, & from the looks of it, if you can afford it, then yes, it does work.
 
strategicmove said:

Methoxyisoflavone is said to be up to three times more powerful than Ipriflavone!

Methoxyisoflavone and Ipriflavone appear to work via different pathways, making them a highly synergistic stack. Dosage appears to be between 400mg to 1200mg daily in divided doses for Methoxyisoflavone and 250mg to 1250mg daily in divided doses for Ipriflavone. Bioperine or 6,7,-dyhydroxybergamottin is usually recommended for enhanced absorption.

Both of them appear to work better when stacked with protein. Another compound that appears to demonstrate significant synergy with these isoflavones is ecdysterone.
Has any one used any of these isoflavones? If yes, what were the results like?
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I have used them, and they are also sold in bulk. True Turkesterone, Methoxy and 5,7 with Ipriflavone and ONLY EcdyMorph (99% crystalline, such as found in Sirovi's products and FREE REIGN by SDN) would be the only way to go. That stack, in proper quantities, with oral absorbtion enhancers, would be the absolute most prodigious natural stack possible, when paired with ArA. Period.

The disadvantage is, this stack would EASILY double or even triple the costs of a true anabolic steroid cycle - so no company will produce it as an all-in-one product because of the exorbitant cost and minimal margins.
 
Outstanding said:
I have used them, and they are also sold in bulk. True Turkesterone, Methoxy and 5,7 with Ipriflavone and ONLY EcdyMorph (99% crystalline, such as found in Sirovi's products and FREE REIGN by SDN) would be the only way to go. That stack, in proper quantities, with oral absorbtion enhancers, would be the absolute most prodigious natural stack possible, when paired with ArA. Period.

The disadvantage is, this stack would EASILY double or even triple the costs of a true anabolic steroid cycle - so no company will produce it as an all-in-one product because of the exorbitant cost and minimal margins.
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I know a company that ALMOST had all the right ingredients in shall we say a PAK... To this day it's the only OTC supplement to give real gains... But I refuse to support this company since they are asshol*s.

I have bulk methoxy, Ipriflavone and for ArA x factor on hand. Once Iforce comes out with their ecdymorph I will stack it all and note the anabolic awesomeness :)
 
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