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Winstrol Only BLOOD RESULTS!

warren916 said:
Yeah i had a PCT program set, i know that it decreases test. Your body actually thinks Stanzolol is test, shutting down all forms and productions. It was a low PCT of only 20mg/ed for 4 weeks. This i know, but after all the research, and me being so new and my receptor sites so fresh, i want to save the nolva for when i do really need it. That should make sense to everyone here, granted they've done there research. Maybe i should have used supporting supps for such a very low and mild cycle, i went in knowing the risks, kept my vitamins and fish oil in check and got the blood work just in case. thats more than many others would have done for just winny only for 6 weeks. C'mon, lets me honest here guys. A PCT is a must yes, but would you have gone out and bought all kinds of supporting supps (excluding the vitamins and fishoil taken already) for 50mg of winny for 6 weeks?
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you mentioned "fresh" receptors- you need to do more research here my friend- this is one of the great debates in AAS use, some people say they do not downregulate or "wear out" some say they do- in my experience my AR receptors have never shown symptoms of clogging- sigh best of luck to you my friend and im glad you at least know of the negative feedback loop
 
You guys pimping all these support supps are too caught up in the supplement industry bullsh*t... There is minimal research supporting any of the supplments mentioned, other than red yeast rice, on effecting LDL or HDL, and the effect is moderate at best. The most supported supplement on the market for improving lipid profiles is niacin, but unfortunately is can also cause elevations in liver enzymes... which is obviously bad on an oral cycle.

Also, none of these supplements have been researched while simultaneously consuming oral AAS, which will trump whatever effects they have on lipids. Your best best is to just deal with it on cycle, and try and recover post.

That being said, diet can certainly shift things for the worse if your consuming high amounts of dietary cholesterol or fats, as fats stimulate VLDL which eventually converts to LDL.

But my oppinion is most of that crap is just extra money out of your pocket pimped by board sponsors... but if it makes you feel "safer" while running your 17aa methyl only cycles, then go for it I guess
 
Movin_weight said:
You guys pimping all these support supps are too caught up in the supplement industry bullsh*t... There is minimal research supporting any of the supplments mentioned, other than red yeast rice, on effecting LDL or HDL, and the effect is moderate at best. The most supported supplement on the market for improving lipid profiles is niacin, but unfortunately is can also cause elevations in liver enzymes... which is obviously bad on an oral cycle.

Also, none of these supplements have been researched while simultaneously consuming oral AAS, which will trump whatever effects they have on lipids. Your best best is to just deal with it on cycle, and try and recover post.

That being said, diet can certainly shift things for the worse if your consuming high amounts of dietary cholesterol or fats, as fats stimulate VLDL which eventually converts to LDL.

But my oppinion is most of that crap is just extra money out of your pocket pimped by board sponsors... but if it makes you feel "safer" while running your 17aa methyl only cycles, then go for it I guess
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while what you said holds water, how could you possibly dispute the fact that he should have used a serm after his ccycle
 
i like the fact he took no support supps, we got to truly see winstrols damage. i rarly take cholesterol supps either... only when im on harsh orals i do. but thats me i got a strong body.
 
schwellington said:
you mentioned "fresh" receptors- you need to do more research here my friend- this is one of the great debates in AAS use, some people say they do not downregulate or "wear out" some say they do- in my experience my AR receptors have never shown symptoms of clogging- sigh best of luck to you my friend and im glad you at least know of the negative feedback loop
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Have you ever seen a crack head on the streets acting hella weird?? Its cause he burned out his Neurological Brain Receptor Sites in his brain!!! When you do to much of a chemical, it can create an imbalance, your body/brain cannot produce that chemical thats been abused, causing illicit side effects. This theory is well worth taking into consideration!!
 
warren916 said:
Have you ever seen a crack head on the streets acting hella weird?? Its cause he burned out his Neurological Brain Receptor Sites in his brain!!! When you do to much of a chemical, it can create an imbalance, your body/brain cannot produce that chemical thats been abused, causing illicit side effects. This theory is well worth taking into consideration!!
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So, you're now saying you agree with everyone that a PCT should have been ran to start the body's production of test again?

That's what a PCT is, when you introduce test to the body, it stops producing it's own so a SERM is ran to "start it up again"
 
warren916 said:
Have you ever seen a crack head on the streets acting hella weird?? Its cause he burned out his Neurological Brain Receptor Sites in his brain!!! When you do to much of a chemical, it can create an imbalance, your body/brain cannot produce that chemical thats been abused, causing illicit side effects. This theory is well worth taking into consideration!!
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who said i disagreed with it? All im saying is I have seen no symptoms of receptors beign worn out- also you cant really make a comparison between the Neurological Brain Receptor and Androgen receptors- two TOTALLY different things work differently etc

crack heads act weird because of paranoia/ aggitation produced by crack cocaine- this is coming from a meth addict who has been clean for almost 4 years- i dont act weird now, but i sure as hell did when i was slamming crystal


also CHOLESTEROL FOUND IN FOOD (EGGS CHICKEN BEEF ETC) DOES NOT BIND TO BLOOD- IT DOES NOT RAISE YOUR CHOLESTEROL LEVELS


you got ALOT more learning to do buddy

keep researching


not being a **** head- just telling you what helps me- research, reaserch research
 
schwellington said:
who said i disagreed with it? All im saying is I have seen no symptoms of receptors beign worn out- also you cant really make a comparison between the Neurological Brain Receptor and Androgen receptors- two TOTALLY different things work differently etc

crack heads act weird because of paranoia/ aggitation produced by crack cocaine- this is coming from a meth addict who has been clean for almost 4 years- i dont act weird now, but i sure as hell did when i was slamming crystal


also CHOLESTEROL FOUND IN FOOD (EGGS CHICKEN BEEF ETC) DOES NOT BIND TO BLOOD- IT DOES NOT RAISE YOUR CHOLESTEROL LEVELS


you got ALOT more learning to do buddy

keep researching


not being a **** head- just telling you what helps me- research, reaserch research
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Where have you heard that? The body can compensate for increased cholesterol intake by decreasing synthesis, but only to a certain point. And on steroids, cholesterol synthesis is already decreased b/c of androgen suppression, so you would be even more sensitive to dietary cholesterol.

Edit: after looking into it more seems like your correct that the literature tends to sway towards the fact that dietary cholesterol has minimal impact on blood cholesterol. But I still believe this becomes a different ballgame on steroids, b/c the body does indeed use dietary cholesterol, and when you take away a major use of it (testosterone production) I believe dietary cholesterol becomes more of a factor.

Although the
 
I ts true, sat fats have a big impact on negatuve cholesterol
 
This is the maturity level we have on this forum with some members...

Warrens neg rep lol. Grow up buddy.

"oh no! dont take my rep points! damn it, this online web forum means so much to me...pls dont Michelle, pls dont do it!! oh no!!! lol !!! MD, PHD lol doing dope again i see...all, you gotta quit that Michelle.."

Lol, go back to BB forums with that.
 
warren is soft as charmin
 
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