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Winstrol Only BLOOD RESULTS!

warren916

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So i decided to see how i would react to Winstrol. Took it for 3 weeks @ 50MG ED (30mg AM/20mg PM), then got tested. Im 25 years old, never used a steroid in my life.

Total Cholesterol 285 (100-199) Optimal Range
Triglycerides 148 (0-149)
HDL Cholesterol (Good) 13 (39+ is good)
LDL Cholesterol (Bad) 242 (0-99)

Blood pressure was 139/72 not to bad.

On a good note, my liver values were all in good range, surprisingly.

Noticeable side effects were the head aches, the doctors said that with such high cholesterol my brain may have had a hard time processing such fatty and thick blood, which could be where the headaches were coming from. Stroke and heart attack is caused by thicken, clotting blood! IF YOU HAVE HEADACHES PLEASE GET CHECKED OUT!

I dont have any previous tests, but all in all seems that the Winstrol suppressed my good cholesterol very much, and increased my bad cholesterol off the charts!

The doctor said she had never seen someone my age with that bad of cholesterol, and said she would not feel comfortable with me leaving with out a statin of some kind. Im now on 20mg of zocor for the next 90days.
 
There really isnt anything to support cholesterol, except fiber really. So nothing, and as far as diet goes, clean for the most part. Low amount of carbs, lots of vegetables, greens, lean meats. Occasional taco bell run.
 
warren916 said:
There really isnt anything to support cholesterol, except fiber really. So nothing, and as far as diet goes, clean for the most part. Low amount of carbs, lots of vegetables, greens, lean meats. Occasional taco bell run.
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Is that a joke?

There is plenty of supports for cholesterol.
 
warren916 said:
There really isnt anything to support cholesterol, except fiber really. So nothing, and as far as diet goes, clean for the most part. Low amount of carbs, lots of vegetables, greens, lean meats. Occasional taco bell run.
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ok,so no support supps.


what were your pre cycle blood tests like?
 
Here are some pictures of me, yeah im a little thick, but i try to eat healthy, especially god given foods; fruit, veggies, things to detoxify my organs, keep em clean... but i figured with my body type i would make a good candidate for winstrol. Just wanted to tighten things up a bit. Up until 3 weeks of winstrol iv been natural, diet only.
 

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No previous blood results...

MIKEG - Really like what?? Other than scripts.. Oatmeal? fiber supps? artichoke? Fish-oil? Cardio? Taking 2000MG fish oil a day for over a year now. Doc says keep takin fish oil, and start cardio. Please enlighten me...
 
ok heres the deal

coq10 has a major effect on your cardiovascular health.

statins deplete this.

you also should be taking green tea/black tea/oolong tea, etc anything with high egcg.

full spectrum vita E ( tocomin) is strong at preventing oxidation of cholesterol. green tea is 20x stronger than vita E .

fish oil, good for joints, brain, blood pressure,lowering inflammation and raising good cholesterol.

policosinol lowers total and bad cholesterol.

garlic, resveratrol, red wine extract, grape seed extract, etc.

theres plenty things out there.


edit : you were taking 2000mg of fish oil? like 2 capsules? or 2000mg of epa/dha ( like 7 caps ). either way, you need to be taking like 12 caps a day .
 
I drink coffee everyday, high in antioxy's, i take my full specs of vita's including the 800ius E. Im a cook, love garlic, and use red/white wine in many food sauces. My point is for me Winstrol was very dangerous. Im a healthy individual, workout, and eat well, theres many ppl out there that disregard there cardio functions, and focus on liver when taking orals like winstrol. Im just trying to give a heads up for the people that are new that are considering winstrol at any point in there cycle!
 
warren916 said:
I drink coffee everyday, high in antioxy's, i take my full specs of vita's including the 800ius E. Im a cook, love garlic, and use red/white wine in many food sauces. My point is for me Winstrol was very dangerous. Im a healthy individual, workout, and eat well, theres many ppl out there that disregard there cardio functions, and focus on liver when taking orals like winstrol. Im just trying to give a heads up for the people that are new that are considering winstrol at any point in there cycle!
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when i say '' full spectrum''. i don't mean a multivitamin.

i mean, the entire vitamin - including all 8 parts of it. normal supps don't have it. its patented.

a few cups of coffee isn't the same as taking a gram of powdered EGCG . nowhere near it.

unless you are pouring gallons of wine into you're food, you aren't getting a therapeutic dose high enough to offset steroids. and if you are, the alcohol is negating any good.


i understand though that you are warning of the dangers of the AAS
 
Im not sure what your arguing point is. Is it that the winstrol didnt increase my lipids? Or is it that if i would have taken all that you listed, i wouldnt have the lipid problem? Sounds to me like you may know more than my doctor does. My preventive measures were decent, and better than none at all...and still my lipids were off the chart. I have yet to find Winstrol only blood results, and could see this post as to helping someone else out. Once again, the point that im making is that Winstrol for me caused horrible results, and to help others out in taking preventive measures when considering this drug.
 
Damn always heard winny is harsh on the lipids but wow. Completely trashed them in 3 weeks at only 50mg. Ouch.
 
STBB pretty much covered it for you there. Find a website to order bulk amounts of these and give it another month or two and get checked out again, such be alot better.

Btw, you havent mentioned anything about pct? what does your pct look like?
 
As for the PCT i only took 50mg ed/ 3 weeks, barely felt anything. Iv got nolva on hand, but havent used it. Its been 3 days now from me stopping and i dont feel any different, no symptoms or sides, i dont wanna supress my estro if i dont have to, estro is good for cholesterol. Onces my lipids subside in two months with medication im going to get more blood work, if everything looks well, im going to discontinue the zocor, then get checked again. If things still look good, im planning on a test e cycle only 500mg/week 12 weeks. Iv done lots of research, seems test is the safest as far as internal organs and cardiovascular is concerned, hormonal is a little different, but can be combated without any permanent body damage. Any thoughts about this guys?
 
Winny is a DHT based steroid...DHT is potently anti-estrogenic.....The serms will help to raise your estro levels, not crush them. SERMs merely block the receptor site, they do nothing to aromatase. So taking the SERM may actually improve your cholesterol values. Also...Hawthorne berry, celery seed, and Red Yeast Rice (which is actually what they develop statins from, however RYR does not fu*ck with your endogenous Co-Q 10 levels) will improve cholesterol values as well.
 
Looks to me like he got the bad sides from winny that were to be expected, I have always heard it is awful for your lipids, but that's pretty awful man, looks like you came off an superdrol cycle that is how bad they were.

Did you get liver enzymes too? I would be interested in seeing them as well.

These guys have some good advice, baring any underlying medical issues you may have, I would suspect that your cholesterol levels should return to normal
 
So you ran winny at 50mg ED for 3 weeks and arent going to run a pct because you dont "feel" shutdown...I see where the intelligence level here is.

Even if it was 3 weeks, I can assure you that your test levels are suppressed, as long as the winny was real. any AAS WILL SUPPRESS YOUR TEST LEVELS.
 
Mike G, can you please tell me what the symptoms of low test are? Regardless of numbers? Enlighten me Doc.


The symptoms of low testosterone can also fool a guy because they are so ubiquitous. By that I mean that testosterone affects EVERYTHING in the male. It affects our brain, our libido, our muscles, our blood - the list goes on and on. Of course, the number one thing in most guys' mind is how it affects their sex life. Low testosterone affects both libido and erectile strength to varying degrees and that obviously isn't too good for the ol' sex life.

However, common symptoms also include depression, mental fogginess/fuzziness, difficulty concentrating, anxiety, loss of muscle, increased weight gain, decreased facial hair and a general feeling of not caring about anything. When you are low on testosterone, you often just don't care about anything - you just "exist". Pleasure and desire can be greatly decreased greatly affecting your career and your relationships.



For some reason, im still feeling great about life, got awesome pumps today, and had a great night with my girl friend, and im sure things will get better by tonight ;D.....So is there really a reason to take more medication??

Up until a few decades ago men didnt even take PCT! We had dudes takin dbol and test for months on end without any PCT in the 70s...I think a little 3 week dose of winstrol isnt gonna phase me that much....and by the "feel", yes Michael, i said "feel" of things, i dont need it. Thanks for your input doc, you know Michael, you should get your PHD or MD, your hella smart man...i mean hella smart...LOL...
 
warren916 said:
Mike G, can you please tell me what the symptoms of low test are? Regardless of numbers? Enlighten me Doc.


The symptoms of low testosterone can also fool a guy because they are so ubiquitous. By that I mean that testosterone affects EVERYTHING in the male. It affects our brain, our libido, our muscles, our blood - the list goes on and on. Of course, the number one thing in most guys' mind is how it affects their sex life. Low testosterone affects both libido and erectile strength to varying degrees and that obviously isn't too good for the ol' sex life.

However, common symptoms also include depression, mental fogginess/fuzziness, difficulty concentrating, anxiety, loss of muscle, increased weight gain, decreased facial hair and a general feeling of not caring about anything. When you are low on testosterone, you often just don't care about anything - you just "exist". Pleasure and desire can be greatly decreased greatly affecting your career and your relationships.



For some reason, im still feeling great about life, got awesome pumps today, and had a great night with my girl friend, and im sure things will get better by tonight ;D.....So is there really a reason to take more medication??

Up until a few decades ago men didnt even take PCT! We had dudes takin dbol and test for months on end without any PCT in the 70s...I think a little 3 week dose of winstrol isnt gonna phase me that much....and by the "feel", yes Michael, i said "feel" of things, i dont need it. Thanks for your input doc, you know Michael, you should get your PHD or MD, your hella smart man...i mean hella smart...LOL...
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He's smart enough to realize that science isn't based on feelings....:sigh1:

Your logic is flawed warren...at best.
 
warren916 said:
There really isnt anything to support cholesterol, except fiber really. So nothing, and as far as diet goes, clean for the most part. Low amount of carbs, lots of vegetables, greens, lean meats. Occasional taco bell run.
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Low carb diets are HORRIBLE for cholesterol health

Cardio is the best thing you can do for high cholesterol
 
timmmah said:
Low carb diets are HORRIBLE for cholesterol health
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Prove it.

"Fasting blood lipids do not seem to be negatively influenced by the combination of resistance exercise and a low carbohydrate diet."

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ktatro1 said:
He's smart enough to realize that science isn't based on feelings....:sigh1:

Your logic is flawed warren...at best.
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+1

You know, in the 70's women were taking pcp during pregnancy, does that make it a good idea?


Why do things change as we grow? Because we become smarter, and we refine the way we do things to become more efficient, and safer.

In the 70's, cars didn't have airbags, traction control, anti-lock brakes, crash detection systems that immediately report possible accidents to a monitored service.. do you think people were better off without these things as well?

I suggest taking running a complete PCT. Including your SERM.
 
this is the model roid user right here.


no support supps, no pct, no pre cycle bloodwork - hell not even post bloodwork showing LH/FSH and Test .


this is why roids are banned - the gov't needs to protect everyone because people refuse to exercise responsibility.

pretty soon seatbelts are going to be an automated device that is required to start the engine of a vehicle.
 
soontobbeast said:
this is the model roid user right here.


no support supps, no pct, no pre cycle bloodwork - hell not even post bloodwork showing LH/FSH and Test .


this is why roids are banned - the gov't needs to protect everyone because people refuse to exercise responsibility.pretty soon seatbelts are going to be an automated device that is required to start the engine of a vehicle.
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I pretty much agree with everything you said except this, that's what the goverment wants us to believe. It's just a PR thing and nothing more, i highly doubt they give a rat's ass .
 
Yaz said:
I pretty much agree with everything you said except this, that's what the goverment wants us to believe. It's just a PR thing and nothing more, i highly doubt they give a rat's ass .
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do i believe the govn't entity itself cares about my safety? no.

i do believe, though, that the gov't would rather have some[drug]banned that they wont make money off of, or that will compete with things[drugs] that they do make money off.


i also believe that irresponsible use of said drugs gives them every plausible reason to ban them.
 
soontobbeast said:
do i believe the govn't entity itself cares about my safety? no.

i do believe, though, that the gov't would rather have some[drug]banned that they wont make money off of, or that will compete with things[drugs] that they do make money off.


i also believe that irresponsible use of said drugs gives them every plausible reason to ban them.
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Yeap, excellent argument i forgot about it !
 
timmmah said:
Low carb diets are HORRIBLE for cholesterol health
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Low carb diets . not consisting of bacon and pork ribs etc, are quite good for lowering LDL (of course, you need to stay low carb forever).

Don't confuse smart low carb, with what all those atkin's drones were doing a few years back, "I can eat bacon all day and drink heavy cream, and lose weight!!!!"

Pantethine 900mg per day, Phytosterols and Psyllium at each meal...
 
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ktatro1 again."

A) Im trying to help you out here so if you want to act like an immature dumb@ss be my guess and enjoy losing any gains you mightve made. You just proved to everyone on here how dumb you are. Enjoy the negs.

B) I am in school for my Ph.D right now actually...so yea, "Doc" would be a nice nickname for me. Maybe you should take a class or two in health and then come back here.
 
Omg- if your cholesterol is this wrecked after winny

im going to hate to see mine after 6 weeks dbol at 50 mgs
and 750mg test
and 500 mg deca
and some phera plex


o well


but you could have had high cholesterol before bro, we would need previous bloods to truly confirm winstrol did this
 
GodofWine said:
Low carb diets . not consisting of bacon and pork ribs etc, are quite good for lowering LDL (of course, you need to stay low carb forever).

Don't confuse smart low carb, with what all those atkin's drones were doing a few years back, "I can eat bacon all day and drink heavy cream, and lose weight!!!!"

Pantethine 900mg per day, Phytosterols and Psyllium at each meal...
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When a bodybuilder type of person goes low carb, we tend to eat a significant amount of saturated fats (steak, Pork chops, more steak) not healthier choices like fish and chicken because without proper preparation, those foods are not delicious like steak and with their lower fat content, don't contain the satiety value of fatty meats like beef.
We say we eat a lot of canned tuna right? yeah sure, but with how much freakin mayonaise to choke it down?

And one of the biggest influences on blood cholesterol level is the mix of fats in your diet, which is usually bad when one is on a high-protein-high-fats-diet
 
sluggy said:
You're NUTS for running winny at such a high bodyfat.. Did you notice anything at all?!?!
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well years ago i run winny with high % of fat and for me was one of the greatest i ever done my strength was insane

Squats 405lb
Bench Press 315lbs

easy feel like an animal and the most sweet thing my legs was completely defined and i run without any support supplement but this was 10 years ago ;)
 
schwellington said:
Omg- if your cholesterol is this wrecked after winny

im going to hate to see mine after 6 weeks dbol at 50 mgs
and 750mg test
and 500 mg deca
and some phera plex


o well


but you could have had high cholesterol before bro, we would need previous bloods to truly confirm winstrol did this
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it is true, i could have had poor lipids before hand, but the symptoms i started to get a week in were nosebleeds and headaches, which the doc told me could be symptoms of high cholesterol and bp.


Little Michael, why you gettin so mad dude? Its ok man, one day you'll have your little GED and you can make it man, i believe in you. Have a good day little guy.
 
MAxximal said:
well years ago i run winny with high % of fat and for me was one of the greatest i ever done my strength was insane

Squats 405lb
Bench Press 315lbs

easy feel like an animal and the most sweet thing my legs was completely defined and i run without any support supplement but this was 10 years ago ;)
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thats exactly what i was trying to do...
 
MikeGfilms said:
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ktatro1 again."

A) Im trying to help you out here so if you want to act like an immature dumb@ss be my guess and enjoy losing any gains you mightve made. You just proved to everyone on here how dumb you are. Enjoy the negs.

B) I am in school for my Ph.D right now actually...so yea, "Doc" would be a nice nickname for me. Maybe you should take a class or two in health and then come back here.
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lol... Going for the Ph.D, haha wow man you really must be on something other than juice. And by the way, i didnt make any gains, your dumb ass should know that, it was 3 little weeks of winstrol not anadrol...but i forgot, you've done 18 cycles, you know everything..

"""I get prolactin sides pretty easy too, i just usually use b6 before bed, but have herd about it being bad and can cause neuron toxicity at the amount used to combat prolactin -MikeGFilms"""

Come on now "Doctor Michael" you should know all those answers your asking in your previous posts and threads, any doctor would know those answers, unfortunately im not one...im tryin to get other ppls views, not criticism, so why dont you pack up those leaky titties of yours and scoot on outta here thanks Michael, and have a nice day.

Oh yeah mikey the mcats are affected by spelling, so you might wanna check yours..."be my guess", "i herd"...lol
 
warren916 said:
thats exactly what i was trying to do...
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If i decided do a new cycle in the future obviously i add my precautions and the proper support supplements ;)

but right now i don`t trust in any crap all over the web i bought 3 different bottles of winny but seems bogus ;( so i will not use
 
warren916 said:
it is true, i could have had poor lipids before hand, but the symptoms i started to get a week in were nosebleeds and headaches, which the doc told me could be symptoms of high cholesterol and bp.


Little Michael, why you gettin so mad dude? Its ok man, one day you'll have your little GED and you can make it man, i believe in you. Have a good day little guy.
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nose bleeds are symptoms of high bp- he was correct here, high cholesterol is silent- no symptoms- until you have a heart attack


soooooooo im guessing your lipids where wrecked before hand


just a guess i have no evedence


i know my lipids are probably high- in fact no doubt about it


but friends


high cholestrol poses danger OVER LONG TERM- so im not to worried for myself as i have previous bloods showing my cholesterol in normal ranges


OP i would moniter your Cholesterol CLOESLY on of OFF cycle

because your values shouldnt be that high from winnie only

(someone correct me if im wrong)
 
Man the more i look into things about dieting the more im getting tripped out....my protein shakes have 38mg/cholesterol per scoop! chicken breast is in the 70-100mg range, steak is at least that with the addition of more fat, seems like almost everything a bodybuilder needs has a considerable amount of cholesterol! my question though, the doc advised a low fat diet...and some of the research iv done ppl say that it really isnt the cholesterol in foods, but the saturated fats and fats that actually contribute to high cholesterol. any words on this matter?
 
THIS IS FROM ANABOLICS 2009

Tests were with only 6mg of WINSTROL!!

HDL = GOOD
LDL = BAD

Anabolic/androgenic steroids are most consistent in their lowering of HDL levels. This adverse effect is mediated through the androgenic stimulation of hepatic lipase, a liver enzyme responsible for the breakdown of HDL (good) cholesterol. With more hepatic lipase activity in the body, the favorable (anti-atherogenic) HDL cholesterol particles are cleared from circulation more quickly, and their levels drop. This is an effect that seems to be very pronounced at even modest supratherapeutic dosage levels. For example, studies with testosterone cypionate noted a 21 % drop in HDL cholesterol with a dosage of 300 mg per week. Increasing this dosage to 600 mg did not have any significant additional effect, suggesting that the dosage threshold for strong HDL suppression is fairly low.


Oral steroids, especially c-17 alpha alkylated compounds, are particularly potent at stimulating hepatic lipase and suppressing HDL levels. This is due to first pass concentration and metabolism in the liver. A drug like
stanozolol may, therefore, be milder than testosterone with regard to androgenic side effects, but not when it comes to cardiovascular strain. A study comparing the effects of a weekly injection of 200 mg testosterone enanthate to only a 6mg daily oral dose of stanozolol demonstrates the strong difference between these two types of drugs very well.

After only six weeks, 6mg of stanozolol was shown to reduce HDL and HDL-2 cholesterol levels by an average of 33 and 71 % respectively. HDL levels (mainly the HDL-3 subfraction) were reduced by only 9% in the testosterone group. LDL cholesterol levels also rose 29% with stanozolol, while they dropped 16% with testosterone. Esterified injectable steroids are generally less stressful to the cardiovascular system than oral agents.
 
i almost repped the op for getting bloodwork....

then i read further and saw he used NO supports

then i kept reading and found out he ran winstol when he was (just a guess) 15-17% bf

then i read a little more and NO PCT.........

OP, obviously you did little to no research. You took winstrol, without test... only ran it for 3 weeks... and made no attempt at PCT because you dont "feel" like it...

FAIL
 
So you think i should run my nolva with only 3 weeks of winny? Serious? Lol, c'mon ppls! I didnt even gain one ****in pound from this little stint, didnt even feel a better pump or anything! If i started acting like a little bitch, or started growing tits, was hella sad, or started not wanted to get pus*sy, then i may have considered it....but its a waste of ****ing money for 3 little weeks..id rather just save it....now on the other hand...if i decided to run a complete cycle with DBol/Test/EQ/Winnie blah blah...then yes i would have DEFINITELY used all kinds of supporting supps, n2guard, hcg threw at 250iu 2xweek, blah blah blah...its ****in 50mg winny, why is everyone crying about this situation?? From my blood work the ONLY thing wrong was my Cholesterol. A doctor, a actual real Medical Doctor, with a degree, went over all my results and concluded everything was fine, except the cholesterol.
 
I loved Wintstrol pills

I did Winstrol 50 mg for 3 weeks and 75 mg for 3 weeks and strength increase was insane. No sides that I could feel or see. Shutdown was pretty bad though after cycle. No supports were used during cycle. I really enjoyed it. Will definitley do it again!
 
warren916 said:
So you think i should run my nolva with only 3 weeks of winny? Serious? Lol, c'mon ppls! I didnt even gain one ****in pound from this little stint, didnt even feel a better pump or anything! If i started acting like a little bitch, or started growing tits, was hella sad, or started not wanted to get pus*sy, then i may have considered it....but its a waste of ****ing money for 3 little weeks..id rather just save it....now on the other hand...if i decided to run a complete cycle with DBol/Test/EQ/Winnie blah blah...then yes i would have DEFINITELY used all kinds of supporting supps, n2guard, hcg threw at 250iu 2xweek, blah blah blah...its ****in 50mg winny, why is everyone crying about this situation?? From my blood work the ONLY thing wrong was my Cholesterol. A doctor, a actual real Medical Doctor, with a degree, went over all my results and concluded everything was fine, except the cholesterol.
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do you know about the negative feed back loop exogenous hormones create in the body?

yes you should do a pct- to be safe, im glad your okay, and its good you DIDNT need a pct but what if you did, wait did you get your LH and FSH tested?
 
Yeah i had a PCT program set, i know that it decreases test. Your body actually thinks Stanzolol is test, shutting down all forms and productions. It was a low PCT of only 20mg/ed for 4 weeks. This i know, but after all the research, and me being so new and my receptor sites so fresh, i want to save the nolva for when i do really need it. That should make sense to everyone here, granted they've done there research. Maybe i should have used supporting supps for such a very low and mild cycle, i went in knowing the risks, kept my vitamins and fish oil in check and got the blood work just in case. thats more than many others would have done for just winny only for 6 weeks. C'mon, lets me honest here guys. A PCT is a must yes, but would you have gone out and bought all kinds of supporting supps (excluding the vitamins and fishoil taken already) for 50mg of winny for 6 weeks?
 
LOL, Your maturity level shows by your posts. Have a good day "big guy".
 
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