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How long a cycle and how many calories for oral turinabol by pp?

leansteel

leansteel

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I have recently finished a 18 day cycle of turinabol and put on 20 lbs. Presently I am running a PCT of 4-hydroxyandrostenedione (1 capsule 3 times a day) and a test booster called Anitest that has tribulus terestris in it (2 tablets 3 times a day) and plan to run it for 3 weeks.

I order to gain the weight, I increased my calorie intake from 3200 to 4500 calories a day and went from 196 to 216 lbs. I have since cut my calories since to only 4100 and can maintain 210 lbs easily.

My question is:
Is it better to run a longer cycle of turinabol and increase my calories more gradually over time or just increase them at the outset by about 1000 calories. I noticed that when I stopped increasing the calories, my weight gains started slowing down. Or should I just wait until after the cycle to lean out a little, like I am doing right now?
 
I am NOT an expert in this area but like to think I was blessed with my share of common sense.

I am running a 6 week cycle of Turinabol and Dermacrine and will be using the TRS for PCT (4 weeks). Monday will be the start to week 3 and I am eager for that as it has been said that H-Drol really starts to kick in in the 3rd week.

With all of that said, and SHORT 18 day cycle of Turinabol with an surplus of well over 1000 calories seems like a great way to put on lots of weight while minimizing the quality of it. I am at a 500 calorie surplus and planning on 6 weeks. The last 3.5 weeks will be were the "quality" gains really come in. I am NOT a fan of BULKING to put on as much total weight as I can and then CUTTING to take it all off as more often than not, I took it ALL off (muscle gains with the unwanted).

Eat right (clean) and often so that your body can use the slight surplus every meal to build MUSCLE. Get as much rest as you can and allow your body to repair.

Short answer - 500 Cals "extra" / "clean" should work better and a full 6 week run with proper PCT should help you keep those gains.

Lift like a beast and sleep like a bear! Best of luck my man. Others will chime in with info backed by more experaince!
 
leansteel said:
My question is:
Is it better to run a longer cycle of turinabol and increase my calories more gradually over time or just increase them at the outset by about 1000 calories. I noticed that when I stopped increasing the calories, my weight gains started slowing down. Or should I just wait until after the cycle to lean out a little, like I am doing right now?
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For turinabol, a longer cycle is going to be better. 4 weeks is usually a minimum, 6-8 weeks being the most. Your PCT also seems very light. I understand you only went or 3 weeks though. Have you thought of using the testosterone replacement stack at all?
 
leansteel said:
I have recently finished a 18 day cycle of turinabol and put on 20 lbs. Presently I am running a PCT of 4-hydroxyandrostenedione (1 capsule 3 times a day) and a test booster called Anitest that has tribulus terestris in it (2 tablets 3 times a day) and plan to run it for 3 weeks.

I order to gain the weight, I increased my calorie intake from 3200 to 4500 calories a day and went from 196 to 216 lbs. I have since cut my calories since to only 4100 and can maintain 210 lbs easily.

My question is:
Is it better to run a longer cycle of turinabol and increase my calories more gradually over time or just increase them at the outset by about 1000 calories. I noticed that when I stopped increasing the calories, my weight gains started slowing down. Or should I just wait until after the cycle to lean out a little, like I am doing right now?
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You can run Turinabol for up to six weeks - if you want to get the full benefits and maximum effects from the product, run it for six weeks.

I wouldn't have started out at 1,000 calories over Maintenance - at maybe 500 calories over Maintenance, but not at 1,000 over straight away. Adjusting calories week-by-week based on progress is what I would recommend - which is why having your body composition as well as scale weight measured is definitely very useful.

When you stop increasing calories weight gain is going to slow eventually. However, you shouldn't concentrate on just the scale weight, since increasing calories also adds a lot of food and water weight gain, and you want to be more concerned with the LEAN MUSCLE mass and not just the lean mass you gain. 20 pounds in 18 days is awesome gains - if most of that was lean, then you did exceptionally!

Is that ALL you are using for PCT? Seems very light.

If you drop your calories during PCT dramatically from what you were having on-cycle, you can expect a rapid drop in scale weight from any food and water weight going - so don't stress if you lose 9-10 pounds if it is just lean mass (but not muscle) loss.

Definitely wait until after your cycle and PCT to start leaning out if you used Turinabol for mass gains.

~Rosie~
 
Thanks for the info everyone. Right now I am on week 3 of a pct. I am steady at 210 lbs and eating about 4000-4200 calories. It is mostly lean mass. I plan to run the turinabol again in probably a month and will run up the calories more gradually. Right now I am thinking of leaning out a bit and try to get really cut before adding more size.
I am planning to run androhard for 4 weeks. Would cutting the calories by about 300 work very well. I want to keep muscle size but just cut.
 
leansteel said:
Thanks for the info everyone. Right now I am on week 3 of a pct. I am steady at 210 lbs and eating about 4000-4200 calories. It is mostly lean mass. I plan to run the turinabol again in probably a month and will run up the calories more gradually. Right now I am thinking of leaning out a bit and try to get really cut before adding more size.
I am planning to run androhard for 4 weeks. Would cutting the calories by about 300 work very well. I want to keep muscle size but just cut.
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No worries :)

So you're going to run the Turinabol again before the Invalid Link Removed? Or are you going to run the Invalid Link Removed to lean out and bridge into the Turinabol? Or are you going to run the Turinabol and Invalid Link Removed as a stack?

Re cutting, you want to be having less than Maintenance, so anywhere from 200-300 calories less than Maintenance is a good starting point - you can adjust the calories up and down on a weekly basis depending on your results. As long as you're not being stupid with your nutrition (i.e. too low calories, cutting out carbohydrates, etc.), then you should be able to lose the fat and maintain your muscle mass - and the latter should be your PRIMARY objective during a "cut", with the former a secondary effect.

~Rosie~
 
I plan on running the androhard for about 4 weeks first with the dermatherm target.
Then I will use the turinabol again for 4 weeks.
As far as weights, I have been lifting heavy for the past 6 weeks. When I cut, I usually start lifting lighter but with more reps. Is this good to do on androhard, or should I still lift heavy or go somewhere in between like 50-70% of your 1 rep max. I know that I need to not always go heavy to avoid injury.

For instance, my 1 rep max on bench is 370 lbs and I have been doing 4 sets of 10 starting at 225 then 275, 295, and 225 again. Should I go 225, 260, 225, 180 each with 15-20 reps instead?
 
leansteel said:
I plan on running the androhard for about 4 weeks first with the dermatherm target.
Then I will use the turinabol again for 4 weeks.
As far as weights, I have been lifting heavy for the past 6 weeks. When I cut, I usually start lifting lighter but with more reps. Is this good to do on androhard, or should I still lift heavy or go somewhere in between like 50-70% of your 1 rep max. I know that I need to not always go heavy to avoid injury.

For instance, my 1 rep max on bench is 370 lbs and I have been doing 4 sets of 10 starting at 225 then 275, 295, and 225 again. Should I go 225, 260, 225, 180 each with 15-20 reps instead?
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All right.

Just a note that if you continue lifting heavy instead of going lighter, you might see better results re fat loss if that is your goal, IMO - I know that staying/going heavy with low to moderate reps is more effective for fat loss than lifting lighter for more reps. Lower weight at higher reps is more for people who are being silly with their nutrition and cutting calories and/or carbohydrates too low and don't have the energy to continue training as hard, IMO. That's just my thoughts though, and you need to find out what works best for YOU - I personally always lift as heavy as I can for my determined sets and reps for that particular session.

~Rosie~
 
Harry Manback said:
20 pounds...in 18 days...on halodrol...?

If this is true, you are one hell of a responder.
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There's going to be some food and water weight in there as well as muscle mass (and maybe some fat), though.
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
There's going to be some food and water weight in there as well as muscle mass 9and maybe some fat), though.
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Right, but even so, that's alot of weight to pick up on such a short timeframe and with such a weak compound. I'm not trying to bash the kid, in fact I'm a little bit impressed.
 
Harry Manback said:
Right, but even so, that's alot of weight to pick up on such a short timeframe and with such a weak compound. I'm not trying to bash the kid, in fact I'm a little bit impressed.
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18 pounds in 20 days is not impossible (albeit his body probably won't thank him for it!) - hell, I gained 15 pounds in under 14 days just recently (yes, I know, not good for my body - you don't need to beat me up for something I'm already beating myself up daily for). Just sayin'

~Rosie~
 
I just started the androhard on Wednesday and have cut my calories by 250 per day. Since I eat 7 meals a day, I just am cutting 50 calories per meal for meals 3-7. So far so good, I stopped using the formestane and test builder and switched on Tuesday.

Should the androhard increase my strength like the turinabol did? Should my weight stay the same, but the body fat decrease with an increase in muscle. I know its too early, but my weight is still at 210.
 
By the way, when I used a nor 19 product a year ago, I gained 20 lbs in 13 days. However, I was eating up to 5500 calories a day and went from 202 to 222. I had to stop since I was getting too anxious and was starting to not fit in my clothes. The weight I put on looked bigger than with turinabol and I was bloated and uncomfortable. The turinabol didn't put on all that extreme size and it looked more cut. It is definitely a better product. When I stopped using the nor-19 product, I got seriously depressed with definite sexual side effects. When I stopped using turinabol, which I used a week longer, I had no depression or sexual sides. I think primordial has a good product!
 
I have to say that regardless of anabolic i've used, gaining much more than 2lbs a week meant that what was above that started being non-lean mass (ie fat), or water, or just glycogen overcompensation. I honestly don't see how any anabolic could take your body from its normal .5lb of lean mass growable a week to over a pound a day. Maybe it did happen, but I lean towards doubting its physically possible.

So that said, i'd recommend running the Turinabol at 90mg/day for a full 6 week cycle, and have your calories only 250 over maintenance to start, and continue to raise it by 100-200 calories each week as you gain mass.
 
So far, I have not lost any weight yet - still at 210 - so I plan to cut my calories another 150 calories tomorrow. I don't seem to be losing any strength either. I am planning on running the remainder of the androhard.

Is a pct needed for androhard? I want to take a break of another 3 weeks doing more endurance work to lean out some more.
 
leansteel said:
So far, I have not lost any weight yet - still at 210 - so I plan to cut my calories another 150 calories tomorrow. I don't seem to be losing any strength either. I am planning on running the remainder of the androhard.

Is a pct needed for androhard? I want to take a break of another 3 weeks doing more endurance work to lean out some more.
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Yes, PCT is required for Invalid Link Removed - Invalid Link Removed is a HORMONAL.

~Rosie~
 
last time I used formestane and a test booster named Testanon 2250 by VitaSport and it worked fine for turinabol. What do you recommend?
 
leansteel said:
last time I used formestane and a test booster named Testanon 2250 by VitaSport and it worked fine for turinabol. What do you recommend?
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You should NOT use Formestane in PCT - Formestane is a HORMONAL AI, and bu using it, you are not really completing a PCT, but EXTENDING your cycle.

Re PCT for Turinabol, the TRS is adequate enough.

If you are not going to use the TRS, then the bulk of PCT should include each of the following products alongside your basic staples:
* Testosterone Boosters (one product that increase Free Testosterone and Total Testosterone or a stack covering both areas)
* Luteinizing Hormone Releaser
* Cortisol Controller
* Estrogen Antagonists/Aromatase Inhibitor (SERMS are not always a necessity for PCT, and in fact, should only be carefully considered, depending on the compound/s used)

~Rosie~
 
I just ordered the testosterone recovery stack to use when I finish in about a week. I have finally cut my calories gradually back down to around 3400 while my weight is about 206.5. Overall between bulking and cutting I am about 10 lbs heavier. I got one of those tools to measure bodyfat and I am about 7% when I measure the three areas. The only area that I can even squeeze out a measurement is the ab area. That is where all the fat lies - like the love handle area.
Is it ok to use turinabol to cut?
 
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