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3Ball

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Hello all,

Which of these two would you recommend. I am going to do a cycle of Epistane running 30/30/30/30.

I ran this before a few years ago and it worked well, but the PCT I used is no longer on the market (mainly Novedex XT), and would like to get some new opinions. I will be using cycle assist throughout the lifespan of the cycle and pct for reference. Any other recommendations are absolutely welcome.

Activate Xtreme and Post Cycle Support

Or

Triazole & Activate Xtreme

Both are the stacks from nutraplanet. Site wouldnt let me post links because I do not have 20+ posts. Thanks in advance for the advice.

Best,

3Ball
 
Neither are not really enough on thier own and should be used with a SERM. I would go for Triazole + AX. Run the AX 1st for 4 weeks, then Triazole after. This should also help cover you against delayed rebound gyno that might occur.

Get a SERM. You was lucky the 1st time, don't add any unnecessary risks.
 
3Ball said:
Hello all,

Which of these two would you recommend. I am going to do a cycle of Epistane running 30/30/30/30.

I ran this before a few years ago and it worked well, but the PCT I used is no longer on the market (mainly Novedex XT), and would like to get some new opinions. I will be using cycle assist throughout the lifespan of the cycle and pct for reference. Any other recommendations are absolutely welcome.

Activate Xtreme and Post Cycle Support

Or

Triazole & Activate Xtreme

Both are the stacks from nutraplanet. Site wouldnt let me post links because I do not have 20+ posts. Thanks in advance for the advice.

Best,

3Ball
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Between those two Triazole and AX. I use AX all the time in PCT along with Invalid Link Removed and a SERM< which is a must imo.
 
3Ball said:
Hello all,

Which of these two would you recommend. I am going to do a cycle of Epistane running 30/30/30/30.

I ran this before a few years ago and it worked well, but the PCT I used is no longer on the market (mainly Novedex XT), and would like to get some new opinions. I will be using cycle assist throughout the lifespan of the cycle and pct for reference. Any other recommendations are absolutely welcome.

Activate Xtreme and Post Cycle Support

Or

Triazole & Activate Xtreme

Both are the stacks from nutraplanet. Site wouldnt let me post links because I do not have 20+ posts. Thanks in advance for the advice.

Best,

3Ball
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I would go with adding Triazole and Activate Xtreme TO your PCT, but not making them your complete PCT. You still want to add in a Invalid Link Removed (maybe Lean Xtreme, if you're looking at using all Driven Sports' products) and a Lutelizing Hormone releaser.

Just a note for future reference when it comes to planning PCT -

Although dependent on the hormonal compound/s used, the bulk of PCT should include each of the following products alongside your basic staples:
* Testosterone Boosters (one product that increase Free Testosterone and Total Testosterone or a stack covering both areas)
* Luteinizing Hormone Releaser
* Cortisol Controller
* Estrogen Antagonists/Aromatase Inhibitor (SERMS are not always a necessity for PCT (especially if your cycle is less than 6 weeks), and in fact, should only be carefully considered, depending on the compound/s used)

~Rosie~
 
Since a SERM seems to be so widely recommended. How does one go about obtaining one? I understand this to be a prescription drug, such as NOLVADEX. Do I simply just ask my doctor for one?

I was never under the impression that something so strong was required in the use of a low grade hormone, and thought that products such as novadex xt, or inhibit-e were meant for this purpose on a smaller scale. Im not questioning the advice, just trying to clear up my head and improve my knowledge.

Best,

3Ball
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
I would go with adding Triazole and Activate Xtreme TO your PCT, but not making them your complete PCT. You still want to add in a cortisol controller

Just a note for future reference when it comes to planning PCT -

Although dependent on the hormonal compound/s used, the bulk of PCT should include each of the following products alongside your basic staples:
* Testosterone Boosters (one product that increase Free Testosterone and Total Testosterone or a stack covering both areas)
* Lutelizing Hormone Releaser
* Cortisol Controller
* Estrogen Antagonists/Aromatase Inhibitor (SERMS are not always a necessity for PCT (especially if your cycle is less than 6 weeks), and in fact, should only be carefully considered, depending on the compound/s used)

~Rosie~


~Rosie~
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Thanks for the reply Rosie,

I must admit that I did not list everything as I do currently take recreate (by usp labs), and was debating weather or not to switch to Lean Xtreme or stick with recreate throughout my PCT. The rest of the items would be your run of the mill vitamins and minerals.

If you could elaborate on/suggest a "Lutelizing Hormone Releaser" it would be much appreciated. At this point would I be covered in each area as I believe the Triazole contains a "Estrogen Antagonists/Aromatase Inhibito".

And yes, it will be a 4 week cycle, although it spills into two extra days to finish the product. 30 days total.

Thanks to all!

Best,

3Ball
 
3Ball said:
I was never under the impression that something so strong was required in the use of a low grade hormone, and thought that products such as novadex xt, or inhibit-e were meant for this purpose on a smaller scale. Im not questioning the advice, just trying to clear up my head and improve my knowledge.

Best,

3Ball
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Have you seen post cycle bloodwork for EPI? It is by no means low grade. Its not as mild as you may or have been lead to think. No matter what the cycle, always have a SERM on hand.

A google search should help you find a source.
 
Well even though it may not seem this way, I have spent many hours researching this and have probably spent roughly 8 - 12 hours looking for sites to get tamoxifen citrate and cannot find any that seem legitimate.

It is much to my dismay, and rather unfortunate, but I am just going to return my order of epistane. You guys have been more helpful then most of the hundreds of forums I have read through, but it seems that giving direct answers in the supplement world is just unheard of. Too much of this, "you didnt hear it from me attitude", and I fear that has gotten alot of people into bad places.

Thanks again for everything all, I guess I will just be sticking with the more expensive/less effective, but seemingly more safe products that I was forced to use in college.

Best,

3Ball
 
Nolva or Clomid + Free Test or Lean Extreme + Prime (i throw prime to make my strength go even higher, not go lower after a cycle like usual) and toco 8
 
3Ball said:
Thanks for the reply Rosie,

I must admit that I did not list everything as I do currently take recreate (by usp labs), and was debating weather or not to switch to Lean Xtreme or stick with recreate throughout my PCT. The rest of the items would be your run of the mill vitamins and minerals.

If you could elaborate on/suggest a "Lutelizing Hormone Releaser" it would be much appreciated. At this point would I be covered in each area as I believe the Triazole contains a "Estrogen Antagonists/Aromatase Inhibito".

And yes, it will be a 4 week cycle, although it spills into two extra days to finish the product. 30 days total.

Thanks to all!

Best,

3Ball
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Please do list everything next time, as that prevents any assumptions or confusion.

Some legitimate Luteinizing Hormone releasers

* HCG at 250 iu used thrice a week during a cycle will stop shutdown during a cycle.
* Forskolin at 50 mg/day of 100% extract (or equivalent lower dosage with lower extract) increases cAMP better than anything else available, thereby increasing luteinizing hormone secretion.
* Resveratrol is a decent choice at 750 mg/day of the 100% extract for increasing cAMP, which in turn increases luteinizing hormone secretion.

If you are going to use Lean Xtreme, then that would cover your cortisol control, yes.

~Rosie~
 
Nolva or Clomid(heck maybe Torem)

R1balla said:
Nolva or Clomid + Free Test or Lean Extreme + Prime (i throw prime to make my strength go even higher, not go lower after a cycle like usual) and toco 8
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I have a question on which is better (sorry for hijacking this thread) I have liquid Nolva but im considering liquid clomid.. my next cycle is h-drol/furuza 5 or 6 weeks not sure about my duration yet, Which serm would be a better fit? thanks fellas and Ms Rosie for your suggestions :usa2:
 
fightclub2012 said:
I have a question on which is better (sorry for hijacking this thread) I have liquid Nolva but im considering liquid clomid.. my next cycle is h-drol/furuza 5 or 6 weeks not sure about my duration yet, Which serm would be a better fit? thanks fellas and Ms Rosie for your suggestions :usa2:
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Rosie, correct me if I am wrong, but Nolvadex is most commonly used for the treatment of breast cancer in women, while Clomid is generally considered a fertility aid where as Clomid has generally been used as post-cycle therapy and Nolvadex as an anti-estrogen. Both work to bring back natural testosterone in the body after a cycle of androgenic anabolic steroids. If I'm right, Nolva is the stronger of the two...again, somebody correct me if I am wrong. Hope this helps.
 
R1balla said:
Rosie, correct me if I am wrong, but Nolvadex is most commonly used for the treatment of breast cancer in women, while Clomid is generally considered a fertility aid where as Clomid has generally been used as post-cycle therapy and Nolvadex as an anti-estrogen. Both work to bring back natural testosterone in the body after a cycle of androgenic anabolic steroids. If I'm right, Nolva is the stronger of the two...again, somebody correct me if I am wrong. Hope this helps.
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Yeah bro thanks :shysmile: whats your take on Torem. Dr.D said it was good stuff and less toxic among other things, and Big Cat has his take on it, has anyone actually used torem as part of their pct.
 
fightclub2012 said:
I have a question on which is better (sorry for hijacking this thread) I have liquid Nolva but im considering liquid clomid.. my next cycle is h-drol/furuza 5 or 6 weeks not sure about my duration yet, Which serm would be a better fit? thanks fellas and Ms Rosie for your suggestions :usa2:
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Depends what you want to use. One thing to note is that you don't have to dose as much with Nolva (20 mg/day) as Clomid (50 mg/day) to lower Estrogen levels and increase Free Testosterone.


R1balla said:
Rosie, correct me if I am wrong, but Nolvadex is most commonly used for the treatment of breast cancer in women, while Clomid is generally considered a fertility aid where as Clomid has generally been used as post-cycle therapy and Nolvadex as an anti-estrogen. Both work to bring back natural testosterone in the body after a cycle of androgenic anabolic steroids. If I'm right, Nolva is the stronger of the two...again, somebody correct me if I am wrong. Hope this helps.
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Nolva has been used in the treatment of breast cancer, yes.

Both Clomid and Nolva have been used in/for PCT.

Yes, Nolva is the stronger of the two (see comments above).

~Rosie~
 
fightclub2012 said:
Yeah bro thanks :shysmile: whats your take on Torem. Dr.D said it was good stuff and less toxic among other things, and Big Cat has his take on it, has anyone actually used torem as part of their pct.
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Toremifene has always been best in my PCTs. It doesn't lower IGF-1 or GH like most SERMs and is not as toxic as the other SERMs.

To the OP, are you looking for OTC PCT or a SERM? I recommend just getting a SERM, but if you DO go over the counter, get the Invalid Link Removed.

It's a complete all in one PCT that can serve as a subtitute (or be used in conjunction with) a SERM for shorter cycles.
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
Depends what you want to use. One thing to note is that you don't have to dose as much with Nolva (20 mg/day) as Clomid (50 mg/day) to lower Estrogen levels and increase Free Testosterone.




Nolva has been used in the treatment of breast cancer, yes.

Both Clomid and Nolva have been used in/for PCT.

Yes, Nolva is the stronger of the two (see comments above).

~Rosie~
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Thanks again Rosie
 
BigBlackGuy said:
Toremifene has always been best in my PCTs. It doesn't lower IGF-1 or GH like most SERMs and is not as toxic as the other SERMs.

To the OP, are you looking for OTC PCT or a SERM? I recommend just getting a SERM, but if you DO go over the counter, get the Invalid Link Removed.

It's a complete all in one PCT that can serve as a subtitute (or be used in conjunction with) a SERM for shorter cycles.
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Cool thanks BBG :rambo:
 
BigBlackGuy said:
Toremifene has always been best in my PCTs. It doesn't lower IGF-1 or GH like most SERMs and is not as toxic as the other SERMs.

To the OP, are you looking for OTC PCT or a SERM? I recommend just getting a SERM, but if you DO go over the counter, get the Invalid Link Removed.

It's a complete all in one PCT that can serve as a subtitute (or be used in conjunction with) a SERM for shorter cycles.
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Hands down. :usa2:
 
BigBlackGuy said:
Toremifene has always been best in my PCTs. It doesn't lower IGF-1 or GH like most SERMs and is not as toxic as the other SERMs.

To the OP, are you looking for OTC PCT or a SERM? I recommend just getting a SERM, but if you DO go over the counter, get the Invalid Link Removed.

It's a complete all in one PCT that can serve as a subtitute (or be used in conjunction with) a SERM for shorter cycles.
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ordered some torem on wed, should have tomorrow or monday.
 
ryansm said:
Good decision
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torem in hand :naughty:!!! was going to start my cycle today since I have all the goods, but with work being crazy busy and my kid being sick Ill hold off a for a few more days. other than that, my weight is where I wanted to be at the start of my cycle(190.4lbs since sat and also today 190.1lbs) :yup:
 
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