Can Fast Food Really Be That Bad?

[SweetLou321]

I wouldnt eat from Mc Ds, not only bc of whats in the food but bc of how its handled. I worked a local florida Mc D for 2 years to afford all the clean food to eat 3500 cals, not a lot money to do with good taste and variaty btw op. Ive seen the grease that comes of this stuff, how long its let sit out 6-7 hrs for chicken usually, ppl dont wear gloves have the times, sweating all over the place, touching raw meat then u sandwhich, the meat usually comes off the grill still raw too, its just plain nasty to be honest. Why you would go outta your way to add that to ur diet to hit a mesely 3-4 cals? thats not even a lot of food and so so so so easy to do with like 70-80$ a week. Some ppl are just crazy.

 

[DerickVonD]

I wouldnt eat from Mc Ds, not only bc of whats in the food but bc of how its handled. I worked a local florida Mc D for 2 years to afford all the clean food to eat 3500 cals, not a lot money to do with good taste and variaty btw op. Ive seen the grease that comes of this stuff, how long its let sit out 6-7 hrs for chicken usually, ppl dont wear gloves have the times, sweating all over the place, touching raw meat then u sandwhich, the meat usually comes off the grill still raw too, its just plain nasty to be honest. Why you would go outta your way to add that to ur diet to hit a mesely 3-4 cals? thats not even a lot of food and so so so so easy to do with like 70-80$ a week. Some ppl are just crazy.

McDonalds taste like horse **** anyway

 

[Tone]

HFCS is not bad for you. It is sugar derived from corn. It is made by treating cornstarch with an enzyme, converting it into a syrup that is approx. 40% fructose and 50% glucose. It is used so frequently because it is naturally sweeter than sugar, therefore you have to produce less. Saves money in mass production. Ask any RD and they will tell you the same thing.

HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP IS BAD FOR YOU..... reasons are this:
it is made from genetically modified corn, or GMO corn, which isn't natural corn, and therefore would be harmful to a human body... reasons behind this are that with GMO foods the body recognizes it, but cannnot utilize properly. There studies that obviously show how it can increase risks for type II diabetes, obesity, liver damage, heart disease, and also there has been mercury found in most HFCS...

THere are also talks about banning HFCS in all products.... You can't tell me that it is "NOT BAD FOR YOU" Again, its a subsititute for SUGAR... and i believe all of you can agree with me that sugar is NOT GOOD for you....

 

[diablosho]

Evaluating food based on calorie content and macronutrients alone is not looking at the bigger picture.

Here is a list of the ingredients reported in 2006 to be the flavouring in a strawberry milkshake.

Amyl acetate, amyl butyrate, amyl valerate, anethol, anisyl formate, benzyl acetate, benzyl isobutyrate, butyric acid, cinnamyl isobutyrate, cinnamyl valerate, cognac essential oil, diacetyl, dipropyl ketone, ethyl butyrate, ethyl cinnamate, ethyl heptanoate, ethyl heptylate, ethyl lactate, ethyl methylphenylglycidate, ethyl nitrate, ethylpropionate, ethyl valerate, heliotropin, hydroxyphrenyl-2-butanone (10% solution in alcohol), ionone, isobutyl anthranilate, isobutyl butyrate, lemon essential oil, maltol, 4-methylace-tophenone, methyl anthranilate, methyl benzoate, methyl cinnamate, methyl heptine carbonate, methyl naphtyl ketone, methyl salicylate, mint essential oil, neroli essential oil, nerolin, neryl isobutyrate, orris butter, phenethyl alcohol, undecalactone, rum ether, rose, vanillin and solvent.

Not so worried about trans fats now lol

So, tell me, which of these chemicals bother you, given that EVERYTHING is made of chemicals, like sulfurophane, that seem like they should be solvents (by the way, sulfurophane is a chemical in Broccoli). Amyl acetate is in bananas. Anethol is extracted from Star Anise. Oh, and folate (which is in brocolli as well) can be written as:
N-​(4-​{[(2-​amino-​4-​oxo-​1,​4-​dihydropteridin-​6-​yl)​methyl]​amino}​benzoyl)-​L-​glutamic acid

Now, you tell me, if you saw that on a label, would you think it was bad for you. Even worse, would you be telling EVERYBODY ELSE that is was bad for THEM? You can't judge how healthy something is just because it has chemical names, and by the same token, just because it's "ALL NATURAL/HERBAL" doesn't make it safe either; Cyanide and Arsenic are extracted from natural sources. Now, that is not to say that Fast Food is healthy per se (and I am 100% SURE fast food is not the greatest thing you can do for your body), and if you know which chemicals in there are bad for you, great! But blindly accepting what everybody else tells you without doing your own research is never a good thing. In short, EVERYTHING is made of chemicals, and nothing is what it seems! That is all!

 

[diablosho]

HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP IS BAD FOR YOU..... reasons are this:
it is made from genetically modified corn, or GMO corn, which isn't natural corn, and therefore would be harmful to a human body... reasons behind this are that with GMO foods the body recognizes it, but cannnot utilize properly. There studies that obviously show how it can increase risks for type II diabetes, obesity, liver damage, heart disease, and also there has been mercury found in most HFCS...

THere are also talks about banning HFCS in all products.... You can't tell me that it is "NOT BAD FOR YOU" Again, its a subsititute for SUGAR... and i believe all of you can agree with me that sugar is NOT GOOD for you....

HFCS has replaced sucralose (table sugar), thanks to government subsidies on corn and increased Tariffs on imported sucralose, making HFCS the most appealing sugar to sell. The strange thing is, the A.M.A. has stated that they have no problem with HFCS, saying it is very similar to sucralose, and in moderation, should pose no more danger than table sugar. It's REALLY HARD to research these kinds of things without getting bias with all the politcal motivations involved.

 

[Margaret]

HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP IS BAD FOR YOU..... reasons are this:
it is made from genetically modified corn, or GMO corn, which isn't natural corn, and therefore would be harmful to a human body... reasons behind this are that with GMO foods the body recognizes it, but cannnot utilize properly. There studies that obviously show how it can increase risks for type II diabetes, obesity, liver damage, heart disease, and also there has been mercury found in most HFCS...

THere are also talks about banning HFCS in all products.... You can't tell me that it is "NOT BAD FOR YOU" Again, its a subsititute for SUGAR... and i believe all of you can agree with me that sugar is NOT GOOD for you....

I agree with diablosho, and I think the chemical makeup is too similar to table sugar to be of concern. 'Sugar' is not 'bad' for you. If it were, it would not naturally occur in fresh fruits and everything else that hasn't been 'genetically modified.' If you are concerned with GMO's, choose organic sugar as the USDA does not allow GMO's to be used in production if it is 100% certified organic. You may as well have said fat is bad for you. Everything in moderation, including HFCS.

 

[SweetLou321]

this^^^

 

[Mulletsoldier]

So, tell me, which of these chemicals bother you, given that EVERYTHING is made of chemicals, like sulfurophane, that seem like they should be solvents (by the way, sulfurophane is a chemical in Broccoli). Amyl acetate is in bananas. Anethol is extracted from Star Anise. Oh, and folate (which is in brocolli as well) can be written as:
N-​(4-​{[(2-​amino-​4-​oxo-​1,​4-​dihydropteridin-​6-​yl)​methyl]​amino}​benzoyl)-​L-​glutamic acid

Now, you tell me, if you saw that on a label, would you think it was bad for you. Even worse, would you be telling EVERYBODY ELSE that is was bad for THEM? You can't judge how healthy something is just because it has chemical names, and by the same token, just because it's "ALL NATURAL/HERBAL" doesn't make it safe either; Cyanide and Arsenic are extracted from natural sources. Now, that is not to say that Fast Food is healthy per se (and I am 100% SURE fast food is not the greatest thing you can do for your body), and if you know which chemicals in there are bad for you, great! But blindly accepting what everybody else tells you without doing your own research is never a good thing. In short, EVERYTHING is made of chemicals, and nothing is what it seems! That is all!

I concede your general point, and your argument is well taken. This said - and I admittedly speculate on his intentions, here - I believe he was simply commenting on the gratuitous use of chemical additives in common food products.

To wit, several of the additives in that milkshake can be found in various tobacco products. Now, while this in itself neither philosophically nor physiologically condemns their use, it raises the operative question: is the use of these chemical additives necessary within the context of this particular food stuff?

 

[Mulletsoldier]

HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP IS BAD FOR YOU..... reasons are this:
it is made from genetically modified corn, or GMO corn, which isn't natural corn, and therefore would be harmful to a human body... reasons behind this are that with GMO foods the body recognizes it, but cannnot utilize properly. There studies that obviously show how it can increase risks for type II diabetes, obesity, liver damage, heart disease, and also there has been mercury found in most HFCS...

THere are also talks about banning HFCS in all products.... You can't tell me that it is "NOT BAD FOR YOU" Again, its a subsititute for SUGAR... and i believe all of you can agree with me that sugar is NOT GOOD for you....

The evidence that HFCS particularly contributes to the pathologies popularly associated with it - in other words, obesity, diabetes, accumulation of abdominal fat - is sparse at best. In fact, the overwhelming majority of research on HFCS is inconclusive in this sense - even moreso with regard to any unique potential to initiate de novo lipogenesis and/or in its ability to alter fat metabolic machinery to a greater degree than common table sugar.

HFCS's metabolically destructive potential is more meme than fact.

 

[diablosho]

I concede your general point, and your argument is well taken. This said - and I admittedly speculate on his intentions, here - I believe he was simply commenting on the gratuitous use of chemical additives in common food products.

To wit, several of the additives in that milkshake can be found in various tobacco products. Now, while this in itself neither philosophically nor physiologically condemns their use, it raises the operative question: is the use of these chemical additives necessary within the context of this particular food stuff?

Fair point! My point though, was that one cannot be sure if those were additives, or merely the result of breaking down every ingredient in the recipe (i.e. strawberries = blah blah blah chemicals, milk = blah blah blah chemicals, etc.) and listing them on the label. I'm just saying we don't actually know that they necessarily ADDED those chemicals specifically, and to be honest, I don't think they employ chemists at McDonalds to design food products by the chemical additive. And you are correct about the same chemicals being used in tobacco though. I did find that a little odd, but you have to figure, there are so many chemicals that are reused in so many products, I believe the tobacco constituents are given more often than not as a political/propoganda tool than anything else. Vitamin B3, aka nicotinic acid, aka niacin is found in tobacco as well, but yet, nobody uses it as an example of a harmful chemical, nor even discusses it being found in tobacco, leading me to my propaganda theory. Maybe I'm wrong, but very good point nonetheless!
--Brian

 

[Tone]

HFCS has replaced sucralose (table sugar), thanks to government subsidies on corn and increased Tariffs on imported sucralose, making HFCS the most appealing sugar to sell. The strange thing is, the A.M.A. has stated that they have no problem with HFCS, saying it is very similar to sucralose, and in moderation, should pose no more danger than table sugar. It's REALLY HARD to research these kinds of things without getting bias with all the politcal motivations involved.

You are right, HFCS isn't bad if you rarely consume it. But when you see people drinking 6-12 cans of soda a day, plus everything else that has sugar in it, well than you would tell people to stay away. Or for a general rule, try to avoid all sugar if possible. I believe you would be healthier if you consumed no HFCS than if you took in a table spoon.... so if you look at it that way, than is HFCS bad for you??? I would say "yes" is it good for you??? I would say "no"... thats my basis for saying it is not healthy.

 

[diablosho]

You are right, HFCS isn't bad if you rarely consume it. But when you see people drinking 6-12 cans of soda a day, plus everything else that has sugar in it, well than you would tell people to stay away. Or for a general rule, try to avoid all sugar if possible. I believe you would be healthier if you consumed no HFCS than if you took in a table spoon.... so if you look at it that way, than is HFCS bad for you??? I would say "yes" is it good for you??? I would say "no"... thats my basis for saying it is not healthy.

So you are saying sugar is bad for you in ANY AMOUNT, which whether intentionally or not, colors your advice with bias. Remember, sugars are very often found in fruits. Also, as far as your 6-12 cans of soda per day comment, I grew up with Coke (water...not so much). I was well known to put down 6-12 cans per day. I used to go through a day without drinking any PLAIN water, just Coke (and TV dinners). I enlisted in the Air Force at 20 years old @ 125 pounds & <10% BF. The difference between myself and obese people. I exercise. Always have. Why would you avoid sugar? I would suggest REGULATING your sugar intake, not avoiding it all together. Remember, carbohydrates are sugars and fiber. I can't even imagine getting my carbs only from fiber (especially since the VAST MAJORITY of Americans don't get enough fiber). And, according to Science Daily, "...complex sugars are involved every time cells, and smaller structures within cells, communicate or bind with each other". I prefer to make that process easier. Cutting out sugar greatly reduces your carbs, and I understand there are times where cutting out carbs are the goal (if that is what you are going for, then great). But I'd think you would inform your audience if that were the case. OP, remember, moderation is key in LIFE, not just nutrition. EVERYTHING is bad in excess (except sex:laugh.
--Brian

 

[Tone]

So you are saying sugar is bad for you in ANY AMOUNT, which whether intentionally or not, colors your advice with bias. Remember, sugars are very often found in fruits. Also, as far as your 6-12 cans of soda per day comment, I grew up with Coke (water...not so much). I was well known to put down 6-12 cans per day. I used to go through a day without drinking any PLAIN water, just Coke (and TV dinners). I enlisted in the Air Force at 20 years old @ 125 pounds & <10% BF. The difference between myself and obese people. I exercise. Always have. Why would you avoid sugar? I would suggest REGULATING your sugar intake, not avoiding it all together. Remember, carbohydrates are sugars and fiber. I can't even imagine getting my carbs only from fiber (especially since the VAST MAJORITY of Americans don't get enough fiber). And, according to Science Daily, "...complex sugars are involved every time cells, and smaller structures within cells, communicate or bind with each other". I prefer to make that process easier. Cutting out sugar greatly reduces your carbs, and I understand there are times where cutting out carbs are the goal (if that is what you are going for, then great). But I'd think you would inform your audience if that were the case. OP, remember, moderation is key in LIFE, not just nutrition. EVERYTHING is bad in excess (except sex:laugh.
--Brian

Yes you make a good point about sugar, maybe I went a little far saying to avoid ALL sugar. On rare occasions sugar would be alright, but honestly in the united states sugar consumption has gotten out of hand... here is an article I got from Mercola.com. The 76 dangers of sugar.

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[diablosho]

Yes you make a good point about sugar, maybe I went a little far saying to avoid ALL sugar. On rare occasions sugar would be alright, but honestly in the united states sugar consumption has gotten out of hand... here is an article I got from Mercola.com. The 76 dangers of sugar.

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I completely agree with you here. I believe America's lack of responsibility is what has caused our obesity problem.
//BEGIN RANT
How many fat people have you heard of that blame their thyroid/diabetes/bad knees/whatever else for their excessive weight, but then, find them eating 12 pancakes and a grand slam @ Denny's? When people get fired, how many admit that they may have been under-performing? Is a car-accident ever one's own fault? How many people blame a teacher when they fail a class? Etc. Etc. So, I guess it's no wonder that there are SO many websites that shift the blame off the person to another entity. Fast food existed in the 1960's. Hell, McDonalds existed in the 1940's. How many fat people were there back then? In fact, obesity didn't become "accepted" until the late 1980's/early 1990's. So what changed? The food....Doubt it. Portion sizes changed, and that contributed to our current state. People used to be HUMILIATED when they were fat. And guess what! It worked! We used to have gym class, and play outside as children, and compete in sports (competitions are being outlawed now as well).Unfortunately, there are some people that get fat through no fault of their own (from what I hear anyways), and they got teased something AWEFUL! And I feel bad for that! As such, it's now illegal to tell a fat person to lose weight. NOW, we just watch silently as they kill themselves slowly, while paying for their healthcare (obviously the right thing to do...NOT). Then, they get the right to SUE because they didn't take care of their own health. All because we can't tell them they're fat and it's unacceptable.
//END RANT
--Brian
P.S.
Case in point. How many for-profit diets/fads are there? And yet, Anabolic Minds is free...Hmmm...people are more willing to pay money for an easy fix rather than accept that their diet sucks, and put forth the effort to change it with research. And sorry for the rant. My blood pressure must be high!

 

[schwellington]

dude on the documentry supersize me- guys liver started failing when he ate Mcdonalds for 30 days straight....to put that in contrast, i have run methylated steroids for 40 days striaght and i was fine.....fastfood is horrible for you

 

[diablosho]

dude on the documentry supersize me- guys liver started failing when he ate Mcdonalds for 30 days straight....to put that in contrast, i have run methylated steroids for 40 days striaght and i was fine.....fastfood is horrible for you

Nowhere did I say you could eat fast-food for any extended length of time exclusively and be fine. That's the difference, and is what I've been trying to illustrate. Personal accountability. Does ANYONE believe that you can eat fast-food for 30 days straight and be fine? There is NO reasonable expectation of safety there, but every now and then, I see no problem. Is it healthy? Probably not. Is it going to kill you. No. As a side note, in the military, I ate fast food exclusively for much longer than 30 days (more like 3 years), and I'm just fine. Not obese, no diabetes, liver still works, all my organs still here (even my appendix & tonsils). Exercise is key. How much did that guy exercise in that movie (never seen the movie, so I don't know). I guess I can find out though. For my rebuttal, I'd like to refer you to:
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Two people in a "scientific" study that ate exclusively fast food for 30 days and lost weight.
--Brian

 

[schwellington]

no wasnt contradicting you was just throwing my 2 cents out here

 

[diablosho]

no wasnt contradicting you was just throwing my 2 cents out here

My bad! And, I've learned quite a lot from you, so definitely want you to know (and everyone else) no hard feelings! Anywho, I really need to get back to my school paper. Thanks everyone for making this a good discussion!
--Brian

 

[Tone]

One thing if you get fries especially that are loaded with trans fat... Trans fat has a half life of 52 days.................. those of us who take steroids understand what a half life means... i don't know about you but heart disease is the leading cause of death in america, I would have to say that fast food has something to do with this considering 80% of americans eat fast food at least once a week. Yes, Yes, im sure there are other factors, but my professional OPINION, and it is just my opinion.. would say that fast food has something to do with heart disease, and sugar has a lot to do with the type II diabetes epidemic.

 

[DerickVonD]

One thing if you get fries especially that are loaded with trans fat... Trans fat has a half life of 52 days.................. those of us who take steroids understand what a half life means... i don't know about you but heart disease is the leading cause of death in america, I would have to say that fast food has something to do with this considering 80% of americans eat fast food at least once a week. Yes, Yes, im sure there are other factors, but my professional OPINION, and it is just my opinion.. would say that fast food has something to do with heart disease, and sugar has a lot to do with the type II diabetes epidemic.

What about fries from a local sub shop, arn't they atleast alittle better?

 

[diablosho]

One thing if you get fries especially that are loaded with trans fat... Trans fat has a half life of 52 days.................. those of us who take steroids understand what a half life means... i don't know about you but heart disease is the leading cause of death in america, I would have to say that fast food has something to do with this considering 80% of americans eat fast food at least once a week. Yes, Yes, im sure there are other factors, but my professional OPINION, and it is just my opinion.. would say that fast food has something to do with heart disease, and sugar has a lot to do with the type II diabetes epidemic.

I'll agree with you about the trans-fats (I have no idea what the "half-life" is of unsaturated fat). The strange thing is, saturated fats used to be the "trans-fats" of the past. In fact, the same group (same man even) that is campaigning to replace trans-fats with saturated fats, campaigned to replace saturated fats with trans-fats in the late 1980s!!! I'm trying to find the videos to prove it, but they seem to have been removed from the internet! I'm workin on it!
--Brian

 

[Tone]

What about fries from a local sub shop, arn't they atleast alittle better?

if they are baked, yes... if they are fried in non trans-fat they are a little better. Trans-fat is horrible for you.

 

[Tone]

I'll agree with you about the trans-fats (I have no idea what the "half-life" is of unsaturated fat). The strange thing is, saturated fats used to be the "trans-fats" of the past. In fact, the same group (same man even) that is campaigning to replace trans-fats with saturated fats, campaigned to replace saturated fats with trans-fats in the late 1980s!!! I'm trying to find the videos to prove it, but they seem to have been removed from the internet! I'm workin on it!
--Brian

thats interesting, i think the reasoning behind it is they used to always think that high saturated fat and cholestrol was the main cause of heart disease. So they tried trans-fat because it added more flavor and could lengethen the shelf life of food..... turns out trans fat is far worse than saturated fat. Funny how its the same dude trying to change things... at least he realizes how bad trans fat is... lol..

 

[diablosho]

thats interesting, i think the reasoning behind it is they used to always think that high saturated fat and cholestrol was the main cause of heart disease. So they tried trans-fat because it added more flavor and could lengethen the shelf life of food..... turns out trans fat is far worse than saturated fat. Funny how its the same dude trying to change things... at least he realizes how bad trans fat is... lol..

True, true! Just always makes me wonder how LONG a fact today will continue to be true!!! LOL! Sheer craziness!
--Brian

 

[SweetLou321]

brian,
in a post earlier about sugar, are u implying you consume simple sugars? to you concume carbs such as oats and brown rice to get complex sugars that are not fiber?

 

[diablosho]

brian,
in a post earlier about sugar, are u implying you consume simple sugars? to you concume carbs such as oats and brown rice to get complex sugars that are not fiber?

Yep, I usually have a Coke in the morning, and mid-day. Also, fruits, milk, and juices have simple carbs as well, and I eat fruits & juices (don't like milk) for breakfast. The unfortunate thing about rice and oats is that: I CANNOT stand them!!! It really sucks, because I know they would be very much of use to my diet, but instead, I have been using True-Mass by BSN to get extra protein, calories, and complex carbs.

 

[Jstrong20]

Its not healthy but as far as looks go some people can eat it and be lean. Just depends on genetics. I ate fastfood all summer and still had a six pack. Also want to point out more often then not bodybuilding and health have nothing to do with each other. Ha Insulin, gh, dnp, lasix, oral steroids, heavy lifting, research chemicals with unkown sides, painkillers, are all bad for you and commonly abused by bodybuilders. Sure it can be done in moderation but many don't.

 

[chess315]

I know I am going to get flamed for this but I think many people are over obssessed with ultra clean dieting. when many top bodybuildning authorities have stated the eat junk food and even recommend it. as far as 99% of people being concerened with there heath on here I dont think so being extremely muscular or strong and healthy or 2 totally different things. if it wasnt how come so many powerlifters bodybuilder prowrestlers ect die at young ages. I have lived off a complete **** high proteing diet just for lack of care and honestly made better results then I ever have clean I have a friend that is a fitness model that eats complete junk. dave paulambo once was quoted as eating burger king post workout dorian yates ate pizza hut fast food 3 times a week. dante trudle even kinda says similar thing. Mariuz the worlds strongest mans diet look that up 2 lbs of bacon and 12 egs for breakfast and a lb of choclate a day and he is 330 ripped to shreads. Junk food might not be the best for getting ripped or healthy. but as far as general muscular size it proably does not matter. I would bet money if you knew what some people ate it would shock you. there is no way a any top bodybuilder would openly in a magazine admit to how they really eat. You also have to relise the guy on supersize me proably had a daily calorie requirment of a woman when someone exceeds there calorie intake by 2000 calories a day there will be trouble. if someone that requires 4000+ calories did that the results might be different

 

[AntonG42O]

I know I am going to get flamed for this but I think many people are over obssessed with ultra clean dieting. when many top bodybuildning authorities have stated the eat junk food and even recommend it. as far as 99% of people being concerened with there heath on here I dont think so being extremely muscular or strong and healthy or 2 totally different things. if it wasnt how come so many powerlifters bodybuilder prowrestlers ect die at young ages. I have lived off a complete **** high proteing diet just for lack of care and honestly made better results then I ever have clean I have a friend that is a fitness model that eats complete junk. dave paulambo once was quoted as eating burger king post workout dorian yates ate pizza hut fast food 3 times a week. dante trudle even kinda says similar thing. Mariuz the worlds strongest mans diet look that up 2 lbs of bacon and 12 egs for breakfast and a lb of choclate a day and he is 330 ripped to shreads. Junk food might not be the best for getting ripped or healthy. but as far as general muscular size it proably does not matter. I would bet money if you knew what some people ate it would shock you. there is no way a any top bodybuilder would openly in a magazine admit to how they really eat. You also have to relise the guy on supersize me proably had a daily calorie requirment of a woman when someone exceeds there calorie intake by 2000 calories a day there will be trouble. if someone that requires 4000+ calories did that the results might be different

1. different genetics and programmed metabolism allow some people to digest the over processed crap and stay in shape. nevertheless there is still high levels of gut irritation and issues with insulin sensitivity that come up later in life.

2. bacon and eggs are good in any amounts, as long as the bacon is uncured and eggs are organic and antibiotic free. saturated fat is your friend, there is a ton of info about it out there.

3. the point of the thread is that fast food IS that bad for you. those chicken nuggets alone contain up to 30 ingredients. depending on how you look at it, fast food technically isnt really food. with some much processing and amount of fillers it simply fills the stomach just to be violently ejected an hour or two later. meat in burgers is grade F ground beef, buns are the cheapest white bread you can find, cheese is yellow because of added chemicals and the rancid hydrogenated soybean/vegetable oil they use is probably the worst possible thing you can put in your body.

4. supersize me is about a normal guy with no freak genetics. believe it or not, supersized mcdonalds three times a day will cause serious health problems. you can get sorta get away with eating like that when you are 18 and your intestines are still virgin. this has nothing to do with the calorie requirement. sure there are some macronutrients in fast food, i mean at one point it actually was meat. in my opinion any muscle gain from fast food is not worth the long term effects of eating it.

 

[AntonG42O]

this is why they say "the hardest battle in bodybuilding is fought with a knife and fork". anyone can go to a wendy's drive through and stuff face but it takes a whole lot more effort and dedication to slave over the stove/grill every single night. the clean healthy food is what builds quality dense muscle tissue that will last a lifetime, perhaps at a slower rate than a $hit calorie fast food overload but its the quality that we are after in this community.

not flaming ya, just putting my 2 cents in

 

[kingdong]

this is why they say "the hardest battle in bodybuilding is fought with a knife and fork". anyone can go to a wendy's drive through and stuff face but it takes a whole lot more effort and dedication to slave over the stove/grill every single night. the clean healthy food is what builds quality dense muscle tissue that will last a lifetime, perhaps at a slower rate than a $hit calorie fast food overload but its the quality that we are after in this community.

not flaming ya, just putting my 2 cents in

It really depends on the OP's goals. Fast food may nt be that healthy, but if your metabolism can handle it, that junk really dose help put on the pounds. If your a teenager who whantsto put on some quick mass and impress the ladies, go ahead and splurge.

 

[bdcc]

Quoting bodybuilders habits has to be qualified to some degree.

It is like a Mr Olympia competitor offering advice on how to build muscle to a natural guy, different rules.

A friend of mine said to me "why do you eat so healthily, I am just as lean as you and eat ****". I was natural at 9% fat, he was not natural and 18 months into his weight training career was 70lbs heavier than when he started, sitting around 10% fat. He looked like he was a few weeks from stepping on stage- weighing about 25lbs more than I was.

I tuck into my organic beef and green vegetable lunch. He sat there and told me for dinner last night he ate 8 hot dog sausages, 13 hot dog buns and then was still hungry so he went for a KFC/McDonalds (can't remember which). He was pleased he could eat this way and stay lean and said he could never eat as strictly as I did.

Take whatever moral out of the story you would like. Some people eat junk food and stay lean, some people also have other factors contributing which you may not. Take it with a pinch of salt.

 

[EasyEJL]

Quoting bodybuilders habits has to be qualified to some degree.

It is like a Mr Olympia competitor offering advice on how to build muscle to a natural guy, different rules.

A friend of mine said to me "why do you eat so healthily, I am just as lean as you and eat ****". I was natural at 9% fat, he was not natural and 18 months into his weight training career was 70lbs heavier than when he started, sitting around 10% fat. He looked like he was a few weeks from stepping on stage- weighing about 25lbs more than I was.

I tuck into my organic beef and green vegetable lunch. He sat there and told me for dinner last night he ate 8 hot dog sausages, 13 hot dog buns and then was still hungry so he went for a KFC/McDonalds (can't remember which). He was pleased he could eat this way and stay lean and said he could never eat as strictly as I did.

Take whatever moral out of the story you would like. Some people eat junk food and stay lean, some people also have other factors contributing which you may not. Take it with a pinch of salt.

The moral of that story is that it all works great till he gets into his 30s or 40s then all of a sudden he'll have to be on full hormone replacement to be able to maintain anything like that as the natural systems slow down. Where with the way you are eating you can manage to just adjust portions + serving sizes downwards and probably stay where you are at because you actually have control over it.

 

[AntonG42O]

Amen. the name of the thread is not "can muscle be obtained by eating fast food"

 

[bakkbakk]

hes got a real good point. people that are genetically blessed with that 6 pack no matter what they eat may take a turn for the worst in the long run. If I look good I must be healthy right?
look at that goofball thats eaten thousands of big macs and weighs 150 lbs and like 50 or 60 years old. no doubt that guys veins are cheese. If i eat sh-tty i look sh-tty. 5 bucks at taco bell is more expensive for one meal than would cost to eat healthy for the whole day if you bought groceries. and youll feel like a million bucks and have natural energy compared to the fast food.

not sure if you live in a dorm or not but lets just say you have only a microwave for use and no oven...
apples, bananas, red potatoes, brown rice, oatmeal, skim milks and nuts, other fruits, vegetables, o.j. too many benefits for me to not drink it(read up its not just juice), egg whites(microwave just fine) meats well, other than no preservative lunch meat which is expensive per serving, theres not much to do without an oven, but if you have access to one.... cook for the week, that way youll save time, yeah it gets old but youre talking about health not about makin it easy(thats fast food)

the sodium in fast food is msg more than not and is far worse than sodium by itself