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77 year old on epistane?

Man, age does make a difference regardless how much test, gh, igf, or supplements you take. If age did not matter at all, then all these old dudes who are on tons of hormones wouldn't have a single white hair on their heads and nearly most of their wrinkles would be gone. It is a known physiological fact that your body decompensates and we lose a certain percentage of muscle year after year. Our organs don't respond to stimulus the same way a 20 something person and our joints deteriorate at a rapid speed. Yes, I agree that using this stuff can help a 70 year old feel young again but, one shouldn't expect miracles. I guarantee that a guy in his early 20's on test, gh, igf-1, etc. will be bigger, stronger, faster, and have more endurance generally speaking if you don't take into consideration years of training specialization or experience. But, at 70 years old, I think its silly to take a ton of gear in order to push him/herself beyond their physical limitations only risking serious injury later the road. The biggest concern for these old guys should be their joints cause of the amount of stress test places on the joints and cardiovascular issues cause of the abnormal aggregation of RBC's. But, hey, I've been training all my life and currently on hormones myself. Will I continue to use them till I'm old and gray. You bet your a#%. But, I know when I get there I won't be driving the iron with the same intensity I do now cause getting surgery to repair tears or dislocations at 70+ years is extremely risky seeing that your body may not heal as fast or recover properly post op..
 
brahmabull said:
Man, age does make a difference regardless how much test, gh, igf, or supplements you take.
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The differences with aging can be either suble or huge. It depends on health levels such as the amount of organ damage and the response levels of a number of systems such as the thyroid and the pancreas.

I'm 62 and still quite strong, but not near as strong as I was in my mid-40's. It takes me longer to get strength and I tend to gain fat with it now. In my 40's I stayed fairly lean while gaining even more muscle. A major difference between then and now is my inability to tolerate stims like ECA stacks. I can't take them anymore. I've never taken external hormones, but may concider taking some milder ones in the future. In my 40's I had 19 1/8 inch arms without any NO supp pumps and with around 13% BF. I can't come close to that now.

I'm thinking of using deracrime, but I want to test out getting my magnesium levels very high first as this can cause natural DHEA levels to skyrocket by itself. I'm using a transdermal magnesium along with some oral as too much oral creates the runs.
 
the idea is stupid, 77 years old youll prolly break some damn bones or tear something.

srs wtf kinda thread is this? this forum is going down hill.

is it ok to put my dog on eq/deca for winter? he is going to be bird hunting with me and i want him to keep up... christ
 
This whole thread started when someone asked the forum if it was okay to give epistane to his 70 + year old relative so he can look good and benefit more from his training. My original response to this was that yeah, you could start your father or grandfather on a cycle. Could he see gains from it? If its the right brand, pure, and takes the appropriate dosage, he can see some nice results. Is it going to make him stronger than he was in his 20's? That's relative to his personal strength levels. But, what the real jist of what a 70+ year old person should be concerned about is the side effects and organ stress that comes along with using steroids. A person's age is irrelevant when it comes to side effects. No one is spared some type of complication when one starts up a steroid cycle. You may feel like a million bucks but what are your organs, tendons, and ligaments saying? At age 70+, it is a FACT that the degredation of major bodily systems have occurred or starting to occur. Adding a oral steroid to an already decompromised body can lead to some serious complications down the road. Y'know, years ago, people would ask how the pro's could take so much stuff and live to compete from one contest to another. Well, it has nothing to do with a magic ****tail of hormones. It's their GENETIC ability to handle so much stuff.
 
Honestly, Im getting sick and tired of hearing guys on here and other forums over dramatize the effects of some of these hormones. the biggest danger as a guy gets older, is the decrease of testosterone and increase in estrogen. many dr's now believe, it is this increase in estrogen that cause many cancers, including prostate cancer. Now epistane is one of the mildest supplements out there. As dave palumbo once said, he hears drs saying all the time that roids kill you, yet, where are all the dead bodies. aspirin kills more people than any roid does. thats a fact. as long as this man took a liver protectant, hed be fine. in fact, epistane as anti estrogen properties, so this would be a perfect supplement. lets all be honest, i haven't worked this hard all my life to be big and strong, to some day lose it, cause of some number(age) age to me only exists in ones mind. so please stop saying epistane will kill his liver, when thats an out right lie and we all know it is. maybe if he took epistane, along with superdrol and tren, i can understand people maybe questioning it, but just epistane, comeon guys, lol, really now.
 
mightyconan said:
Honestly, Im getting sick and tired of hearing guys on here and other forums over dramatize the effects of some of these hormones. the biggest danger as a guy gets older, is the decrease of testosterone and increase in estrogen. many dr's now believe, it is this increase in estrogen that cause many cancers, including prostate cancer. Now epistane is one of the mildest supplements out there. As dave palumbo once said, he hears drs saying all the time that roids kill you, yet, where are all the dead bodies. aspirin kills more people than any roid does. thats a fact. as long as this man took a liver protectant, hed be fine. in fact, epistane as anti estrogen properties, so this would be a perfect supplement. lets all be honest, i haven't worked this hard all my life to be big and strong, to some day lose it, cause of some number(age) age to me only exists in ones mind. so please stop saying epistane will kill his liver, when thats an out right lie and we all know it is. maybe if he took epistane, along with superdrol and tren, i can understand people maybe questioning it, but just epistane, comeon guys, lol, really now.
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This was definitely a Mighty-accurate statement-Conan, reps to ya. It seems too many guys are still listening to old wives tales and simply are not up to speed with the immense changes taking place. I did several different Pro-Hs over the last two decades. JMHO but nothing worked better or was more safe to work with than my Epi-Form stack. With my high natural estrogen climbing each year I needed an anti-E. Now that the govt. has me on Test Cyp for a little over 4 months I am extremely happy that my all-natural Progesterone is knocking down my Estro and keeping me safe. I have had very high PSA since my twenties and now between my Beta-Sitosterol and my Progesterone and my 200 mgs of Test Cyp my PSA is going down to near normal levels for my age.

What has all this brought me in the gym? Despite my near 70 years I lift extremely heavy to the chagrin of all the traditional trainers around here who say "Oh you can't do that at your age, you'll hurt your xxxxxxxx (fill in the blank)". I'm still coming back from a year's worth of very limited lifting due to my wife's cancer struggles and death early this summer. But in the gym I already use again 90 lb DBs for my BP and Pullovers reps (3-5 sets X 10). We only have a Smith machine at this time, unfortunately, but that will change in a couple months. Still I load up the max we have in weights, 330 for 5 sets of rack Deads, max out on Tricep BP Extensions (yesterday) at 310 and squat 230 for multiple sets. Could I do better when I was in my 20s, sure, will I do better by next year at 70, also sure! Just like learning how to handle Pro-Hs, what to take, how, with what to avoid sides etc, there is a ready body of information that really works for going heavy despite one's age. In my case I cap and take 3 Super Cissus ED and also take 7 gms of Fish Oil (to get my 2+gms of OMega 3s). Together they help many things but especially my joints. Thanks to sites like AM for keeping this kind of info available for all of us to share.
 
GeekPoop said:
the idea is stupid, 77 years old youll prolly break some damn bones or tear something.

srs wtf kinda thread is this? this forum is going down hill.

is it ok to put my dog on eq/deca for winter? he is going to be bird hunting with me and i want him to keep up... christ
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I doubt that hell break bones but tendon tears are realistic. I said this once but I'll repeat it. GH might help the guy. Takeing something to make his muscles bigger is a terrible idea, but GH, which actually heals the body could be good. I sxay go expensive, or don't bother.
 
That would be the least of his worries. The main concern, which kingdong mentioned, is tendon or ligament tearing. If your pushing 80, your ability to heal from a tendon tear or injury is extremely low. This year alone there have been a total of 97,000 reported E.R cases involving weightlifting injuries. I don't know the percentage but, the majority of the patients were older individuals with ages ranging from 35 to 67. Hormones such as test or even phs do have a tendency to put tremendous stress on a lifters joints due to the rapid strength gains one makes during a short period of time. So, if no one wants to listen to the argument of organ stress in relation to age then maybe a tendon or muscle tear will be a more convincing argument.
 
mightyconan said:
Honestly, Im getting sick and tired of hearing guys on here and other forums over dramatize the effects of some of these hormones. the biggest danger as a guy gets older, is the decrease of testosterone and increase in estrogen. many dr's now believe, it is this increase in estrogen that cause many cancers, including prostate cancer. Now epistane is one of the mildest supplements out there. As dave palumbo once said, he hears drs saying all the time that roids kill you, yet, where are all the dead bodies. aspirin kills more people than any roid does. thats a fact. as long as this man took a liver protectant, hed be fine. in fact, epistane as anti estrogen properties, so this would be a perfect supplement. lets all be honest, i haven't worked this hard all my life to be big and strong, to some day lose it, cause of some number(age) age to me only exists in ones mind. so please stop saying epistane will kill his liver, when thats an out right lie and we all know it is. maybe if he took epistane, along with superdrol and tren, i can understand people maybe questioning it, but just epistane, comeon guys, lol, really now.
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Well said.

Thanks for saying it. At 53, I am looking for "help," and have considered some Epi. I have trained on and off for at least 30 years, and even competed in some bodybuilding contests in the early 90's (I was drug-free . . . others were not).

Thanks.
 
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