different people respond differently to compounds.
for me, I can see results with just 50mg of hd. i've actually never went over 75mg, and then, it was only a week.
I have ran oral turinabol, and it is def a much stronger compound than hd. but I like how I feel when I run it, and what it does for me.
I've only tried to run epistane once, and didn't get anything from it at 30mg e/d. so next time, i'll run it at 40 and see if it helps any.
I think I may even pick hd over sd if I had to.