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GoHardOrGoHme said:
Im curious as to the reasoning behind adding SAM-e to the lean tissue generating matrix?

Sam-e is not something I would normally see in most ergogenic aids....actually this is the first time I actually notice it in one. So Im quite curious....can anyone shed a little light?
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here you go bud, a response from the man himself! This will be in the tech write-up and will be talked about even more indepth shortly.



The SAM-e / methylation pathway is responsible for a variety of different biochemical reactions in the body. The pathway is also responsible for the formation of dopamine and norepinepherine plus the formation of H²S, all of which allow for greater NMDA receptor activity, greater NO activity and ultimately greater initiation of steroidogenesis.
SAM-e is a combination of ATP and methionine, and has some pronounced effects in several different areas relevant to increased product effectiveness:
· SAM-e also exerts strong effects on increasing Hydrogen Sulfide (H²S) Production, which increases NMDA receptor activity and has been shown to be synergistic with Nitric Oxide (NO) in terms of vasodilation. A great deal of the most recent research on erectile dysfunction drugs is focusing on this pathway.
· The compound has strong mood-enhancing effects via increasing serotonin and dopamine in the brain
SAM-e has been shown to have some very positive effects on joint health and regeneration
Trimethylglycine (also known as Betaine), ATP, and SAM-e directly function within the SAM-e pathway, albeit in different segments and capacities; each of which add to product effectiveness. TMG has been shown have positive effects on muscular strength, as well as having the ability to form sarcosine (an NMDA receptor co-agonist) and act as a methyl donor to fuel SAM-e formation. TMG acts in the following fashion as a methyl donor and in the SAM-e pathway (50-54,64-68,118):
TMG donates a methyl group during the formation of SAM-e, and becomes DMG (N-N-dimethylglycine).
· The donated methyl group can then form SAM-e, or be used for the production of neurotransmitters, the production of DNA, or the metabolism of fats
· The remaining DMG is then converted readily by the liver to the NR-1 agonist N-Methyl Glycine via glycine N-methyltransferase
 
TexasLifter89 said:
here you go bud, a response from the man himself! This will be in the tech write-up and will be talked about even more indepth shortly.



The SAM-e / methylation pathway is responsible for a variety of different biochemical reactions in the body. The pathway is also responsible for the formation of dopamine and norepinepherine plus the formation of H²S, all of which allow for greater NMDA receptor activity, greater NO activity and ultimately greater initiation of steroidogenesis.
SAM-e is a combination of ATP and methionine, and has some pronounced effects in several different areas relevant to increased product effectiveness:
· SAM-e also exerts strong effects on increasing Hydrogen Sulfide (H²S) Production, which increases NMDA receptor activity and has been shown to be synergistic with Nitric Oxide (NO) in terms of vasodilation. A great deal of the most recent research on erectile dysfunction drugs is focusing on this pathway.
· The compound has strong mood-enhancing effects via increasing serotonin and dopamine in the brain
SAM-e has been shown to have some very positive effects on joint health and regeneration
Trimethylglycine (also known as Betaine), ATP, and SAM-e directly function within the SAM-e pathway, albeit in different segments and capacities; each of which add to product effectiveness. TMG has been shown have positive effects on muscular strength, as well as having the ability to form sarcosine (an NMDA receptor co-agonist) and act as a methyl donor to fuel SAM-e formation. TMG acts in the following fashion as a methyl donor and in the SAM-e pathway (50-54,64-68,118):
TMG donates a methyl group during the formation of SAM-e, and becomes DMG (N-N-dimethylglycine).
· The donated methyl group can then form SAM-e, or be used for the production of neurotransmitters, the production of DNA, or the metabolism of fats
· The remaining DMG is then converted readily by the liver to the NR-1 agonist N-Methyl Glycine via glycine N-methyltransferase
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That is an excellent explanation! Definitely has shed new light to why SAM-e is included. Previously i knew that SAM-e was used in the treatment of depression, osteo-athritis, liver problems....etc etc but never thought of it in the mechanism explained above.

Exciting stuff.
 
is this something that should be taken daily even if you don't work out? I am curious since the 3 grams of DAA have to build up in your body in order to increase testosterone. I am reading the ingredients right? If I take the max dose at 3 scoops a day that would put me at over 9 grams of DAA right?
 
monstermash said:
Thanks samboz!

Looks great! Can I ask how much caffiene there is? That's my only concern since I work out in the pm. Other than that this looks great, I really like the addition of PS, P5P, and DAA.
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The amount of caffeine is equivalent to 1 cup of coffee (8 ozs).

AZMIDLYF said:
Did 1 scoop do the trick for you or was 2 or more required?
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Depends. The sweet spot seems to be 1.5-2 scoops. I feel that going over 2 is not worth it.

fanzdslpwr said:
is this something that should be taken daily even if you don't work out? I am curious since the 3 grams of DAA have to build up in your body in order to increase testosterone. I am reading the ingredients right? If I take the max dose at 3 scoops a day that would put me at over 9 grams of DAA right?
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I would stick to a maximum of 2 scoops and only take on workout days.
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
LIT UP is NOT a Testosterone booster; it is a PREWORKOUT product. End of discussion.
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:sigh1:

Perhaps, but he has every right in his view/statement/discussion as one of the claims in the write up says "Dramatically Increases Testosterone to Foster an Environment Favorable for Substantial, Long-term Increases in Lean Body Mass & Fat Reduction.", assumingly from the DAA. So has DAA been shown to do this in women, as he was discussing or not?
 
BoneDaddy said:
:sigh1:

Perhaps, but he has every right in his view/statement/discussion as one of the claims in the write up says "Dramatically Increases Testosterone to Foster an Environment Favorable for Substantial, Long-term Increases in Lean Body Mass & Fat Reduction.", assumingly from the DAA. So has DAA been shown to do this in women, as he was discussing or not?
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DAA is one of those ingredients that are completely useless for females, since they do not have testes - which is where it helps increases Testosterone in males.

~Rosie~
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
DAA is one of those ingredients that are completely useless for females, since they do not have testes - which is where it helps increases Testosterone in males.

~Rosie~
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Oh, I already knew that(even the testes part), I was just pointing out that this was his point in the discussion, not arguing whether LitUp is a PreWO or test booster before you jumped his $hit and shut him down.
 
I would think you'd be better off not "wasting" the Lit Up, and pick up some bulk DAA to use off days.
 
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