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Natabolic Stack / Wood Stack Are Helping Punthra Destroy Everything In Sight!!!!

punthra said:
Question....Since Natadrol is so mild, how long would i have to wait to get my Epi-strong fired up????? Really pumped to get this fired up!
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Don't know, mine will start in about a week though. Our timing should be similar so make sure I get a link.
 
Turst me you'll get a link for sure. I intend to make this run the bulk from hell. Kind of wish i had done this in the opposite order...Epi first for bulk, then Natadrol to shred!
 
punthra said:
Turst me you'll get a link for sure. I intend to make this run the bulk from hell. Kind of wish i had done this in the opposite order...Epi first for bulk, then Natadrol to shred!
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Yah a lean bulk for me, I am getting very big with my current run. I want to recomp a bit while I add a bit more muscle.
 
punthra said:
Question....Since Natadrol is so mild, how long would i have to wait to get my Epi-strong fired up????? Really pumped to get this fired up!
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This is my opinion but I would give it a month anyways.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Is that including PCT, or a month after PCT...
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I would take off 4 weeks after pct. Even though it is mild and you could probably start sooner I think it is better to let the body get back to normal.
 
When i took Natadrol and started PCT i didn't even notice a dip in testosterone or a change at all. The boys were still large and in charge and my libido didn't skip a beat.
 
punthra said:
When i took Natadrol and started PCT i didn't even notice a dip in testosterone or a change at all. The boys were still large and in charge and my libido didn't skip a beat.
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Yah I am no authority on hormonal products but PCT for Natadrol is touted as more of a precautionary measure. Either take this into account or play it anally safe is what it boils down to.
 
Here's the last couple of days....

Chest / Shoulders / Triceps

Incline Barbell Presses 135x5 / 185x5 / 235x5 / 285x5

Flat Smith Machine Presses 135x10 / 225x10 / 315x8

Low Cable Crossovers (FST-5) 60x10 / 55x10 / 50x10 / 45x10 / 40x10

Dumbbell Upright Rows 40x10 / 55x8 / 70x6 / 25x15

Shoulder Bombs 15x10 / 20x10 / 25x10

Dip Machine 200x10 / 250x10 / 300x8 w/ drop 150x12

V-Bar Pressdowns ( Same bar as v-bar cable rows, done to hit the inside heads of the triceps) 135x10 / 165x10 / 195x10 / 105x20


Back

Cable Pullovers 150x10 / 165x10 / 180x10

Close Grip Pulldowns 200x5 / 250x5 / 300x5 w/ drop 150x12

Barbell Rows 155x10 / 205x10 / 255x8

Hammer Strength Rows 90x10 / 135x8 / 180x6

Rope Rows 165x10 / 195x10 / 225x10

Notes:
- both workouts were not my best due to coming off the flu
- pumps have been great
- i'll be training legs later today
- finding that i'm alot more edgy on this stack than natadrol (Very happy with both though!!!!!)
 
I'm thinking of running it at 30-45mg throughout Flex. Just not sure about how much time i need between a natadrol cycle and starting epi.
 
The numbers are all right but i feel like this flu has derailed some of the momentum i was getting training wise. Plus i'm sure the football is preventing proper recovery. Oh well, this weekend is the final tournament anyways.
 
punthra said:
The numbers are all right but i feel like this flu has derailed some of the momentum i was getting training wise. Plus i'm sure the football is preventing proper recovery. Oh well, this weekend is the final tournament anyways.
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Yah I am walking about 80k a week and I know it's making my workouts tougher but I am soldiering through so far. I week to go on HST, it's the hardest one though...:rant:
 
punthra said:
I'm thinking of running it at 30-45mg throughout Flex. Just not sure about how much time i need between a natadrol cycle and starting epi.
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I would go 30mg for a week then 45mg for the last 3 weeks. I would still take about a month off. The Natadrol maybe very mild and you may feel great but it is hormonal so to be on the safe side you should take some time off. Just my opinion. Heck we even recommend a months break after 8 weeks of one of our test boosters.:)
 
pembroke3355 said:
I would go 30mg for a week then 45mg for the last 3 weeks. I would still take about a month off. The Natadrol maybe very mild and you may feel great but it is hormonal so to be on the safe side you should take some time off. Just my opinion. Heck we even recommend a months break after 8 weeks of one of our test boosters.:)
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Yah I am doing 30 for the first 2 weeks and 45 for the last 3... oh and I picked up some dermatherm with an earlier order so I am thinking of adding that in as well.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah I am doing 30 for the first 2 weeks and 45 for the last 3... oh and I picked up some dermatherm with an earlier order so I am thinking of adding that in as well.
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Now that sounds really interesting.
 
Now you guys have me thinking i should wait to january almost. I usually consider december a wash as all the bad food and the occasional beer doesn't help gains much.
 
punthra said:
Now you guys have me thinking i should wait to january almost. I usually consider december a wash as all the bad food and the occasional beer doesn't help gains much.
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When will the pct for the Natadrol end?
 
End of this month....
 
punthra said:
Now you guys have me thinking i should wait to january almost. I usually consider december a wash as all the bad food and the occasional beer doesn't help gains much.
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the other option is to not bother with a pct on natadrol, and just bridge into the epi
 
You make a valid point as well Easy....
 
Sorry i haven't been on here in a bit....It was Thanksgiving weekend for us canadians and it was also turkey bowl weekend for my team. We finished 2nd and i had a great weekend with family.

Here's friday's workout....


Legs

Leg Press sup/ Leg Extensions (Set 1) 400x10 & 165x10 (Set 2) 600x10 & 195x10
(Set 3) 800x10 & 225x10 (Set 4) 1000x10 & 255x10

Front Squats sup/ Lying Leg Curls (Set 1) 135x10 & 80x10 (Set 2) 205x10 & 100x10
(Set 3) 275x10 & 120x7

Stiff Leg Deadlifts 135x10 / 205x10 / 275x10

Seated Calf Raises sup/ Donkey Calf Raises (Set 1) 135x10 & 275x10
(Set 2) 180x10 & 275x10 (Set 3) 225x10 & 275x10

Notes:
- learnt a valuable lesson...Never train legs this hard if you a have tournament to play on the weekend. Legs were TRASHED!
- couldn't believe the stamina i had during this session
 
punthra said:
Sorry i haven't been on here in a bit....It was Thanksgiving weekend for us canadians and it was also turkey bowl weekend for my team. We finished 2nd and i had a great weekend with family.

Here's friday's workout....


Legs

Leg Press sup/ Leg Extensions (Set 1) 400x10 & 165x10 (Set 2) 600x10 & 195x10
(Set 3) 800x10 & 225x10 (Set 4) 1000x10 & 255x10

Front Squats sup/ Lying Leg Curls (Set 1) 135x10 & 80x10 (Set 2) 205x10 & 100x10
(Set 3) 275x10 & 120x7

Stiff Leg Deadlifts 135x10 / 205x10 / 275x10

Seated Calf Raises sup/ Donkey Calf Raises (Set 1) 135x10 & 275x10
(Set 2) 180x10 & 275x10 (Set 3) 225x10 & 275x10

Notes:
- learnt a valuable lesson...Never train legs this hard if you a have tournament to play on the weekend. Legs were TRASHED!
- couldn't believe the stamina i had during this session
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Nice workout and nothing wrong with a second place finish. I am glad you a great weekend.
 
Well, first off i'd like to say that i got my ass handed to me today!!!! I've got a new training partner who's from Terrace, B.C.. He is a competitive powerlifter who is trying bodybuilding for a while. He may beat me on strength but he's going to help me get my numbers through the roof this winter. Check out today's workout for a prime example...

Back

Old School T-Bar Rows 90x10 / 135x10 / 180x10 / 225x10 / 270x8 (HOLY CRAP!!!!) /
225x12 (weight doesn't include the bar jammed in corner, so we're definitely doing more weight than written)

Dumbbell Rows 160x10 / 160x10 / (Two arms at once DB row) 80x10

Cobra Clutch 105x10 / 120x10 / 90x20 (All the reps were done deliberately slow with a 2 second squeeze to get things poppin!!!!!)

Deadlifts 135x5 / 225x5 / 315x5 / 365x5 (Lower back was still incredibly sore from football so i had to stop here, Jordan continued on to 500)

Machine Shrugs sup/ Cable Pullovers (Set 1) 180x10 & 120x10 (Set 2) 270x10 & 135x10
(Set 3) 360x10 & 150x10

Notes:
- felt good to get my ass kicked!!! Really motivates me to push harder and harder...
- back feels absolutely destroyed
- can't wait to push deads a little more next week
- i feel this could lead to incredible leaps in PR's and hopefully improve in areas i'm weak at! Plus it's incredibly motivating to train with someone that crushes you in most areas, with me being competitive i'm sure it's going to cause amazing growth.
 
Damn Pun, damn good work. Cant wait to step back in the arena. Been out with a stomach virus. This is good motivation for when im ready!
 
You'll kill it when you get back in there flex!
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah I am doing 30 for the first 2 weeks and 45 for the last 3... oh and I picked up some dermatherm with an earlier order so I am thinking of adding that in as well.
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punthra said:
I'm thinking of running it at 30-45mg throughout Flex. Just not sure about how much time i need between a natadrol cycle and starting epi.
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How will this affect your competitions? I will be competing in the NPC so no worries. DW aren't you in 'natural' shows and wont this be affecting you negatively in that regard?
 
punthra said:
Well, first off i'd like to say that i got my ass handed to me today!!!! I've got a new training partner who's from Terrace, B.C.. He is a competitive powerlifter who is trying bodybuilding for a while. He may beat me on strength but he's going to help me get my numbers through the roof this winter. Check out today's workout for a prime example...

Back

Old School T-Bar Rows 90x10 / 135x10 / 180x10 / 225x10 / 270x8 (HOLY CRAP!!!!) /
225x12 (weight doesn't include the bar jammed in corner, so we're definitely doing more weight than written)

Dumbbell Rows 160x10 / 160x10 / (Two arms at once DB row) 80x10

Cobra Clutch 105x10 / 120x10 / 90x20 (All the reps were done deliberately slow with a 2 second squeeze to get things poppin!!!!!)

Deadlifts 135x5 / 225x5 / 315x5 / 365x5 (Lower back was still incredibly sore from football so i had to stop here, Jordan continued on to 500)

Machine Shrugs sup/ Cable Pullovers (Set 1) 180x10 & 120x10 (Set 2) 270x10 & 135x10
(Set 3) 360x10 & 150x10

Notes:
- felt good to get my ass kicked!!! Really motivates me to push harder and harder...
- back feels absolutely destroyed
- can't wait to push deads a little more next week
- i feel this could lead to incredible leaps in PR's and hopefully improve in areas i'm weak at! Plus it's incredibly motivating to train with someone that crushes you in most areas, with me being competitive i'm sure it's going to cause amazing growth.
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Your numbers are already off the hook. This could get real ugly!!!!
 
I can't wait to see where this leads....Going to be one amazing winter!!!
 
Those numbers are scary huge, digging this new training partner. I miss having one...
 
Chest / Biceps (SOLO, everyone was busy)

Flat Barbell Presses 135x5 / 185x5 / 235x5 / 285x5 / 335x3 (Shoulder wasn't feeling great so i stopped early...A little too much impact on the rotators during football! Gimme a week or two)

Weighted Dips BW+60x8 / BW+80x8 / BW+100x6

Incline Hammer Strength Presses 180x10 / 230x10 / 280x8

Cable Crossovers sup/ Machine Pullovers (Set 1) 50x10 & 285x10 (Set 2) 60x10 & 285x10
(Set 3) 70x10 & 285x8

Hammer Curls 40x10 / 60x8 / 80x6

High Double Bicep Cable Curls 40x10 / 50x10 / 60x10

Notes:
- right rotator still feels a touch jarred but it will be back to normal in a few days
- sick pump!
 
Here's the last two days of workouts....

Shoulders / Triceps

Dumbbell Military Presses 50x10 / 60x10 / 70x10 / 80x10 (Could have gone heavier, but the rotator was wonky!) / 80x10 w/ drop 40x10 standing dumbbell presses

Dumbbell Laterals 30x10 / 35x10 / 40x10

Rope Rear Laterals 80x10 / 100x10 / 120x8

Banded Front Plate Raises sup/ Lateral Machine (Set 1) 45x10 & 25x10
(Set 2) 45x10 & 35x10 (Set 3) 45x10 & 45x8 (My God! Banded plate raises make your shoulders feel like they are going to explode)

Two Arm Dumbbell Extensions 90x10 / 110x10 / 130x8

One Arm Dumbbell Extensions 40x10 / 45x10

Extreme Close Grip Olympic Bar Skullcrusher (2 second pause at the bottom) 95x10
115x10 / 95x10

One Arm Reverse Grip Pressdowns 35x10 / 40x10 / 45x10



Legs

Front Squats 135x5 / 185x5 / 225x10 / 275x5 / 315x5 / 345x3 / 225x10 / 225x10

One Leg Presses 180x10 / 230x10 / 280x10

Leg Extensions 285x10 / 285x9 / 285x7

Stiff Leg Deadlifts 135x10 / 225x10 / 225x10

One Leg Ham Curls 60x10 / 80x8 / 100x5


Notes:
- can't wait to have a real amount of rest time to recover, the weekend couldn't get here fast enough. Football season is over and it's time to pack on the mass again!
- legs workout was bad ass! Legs feel just torched!
- rotator pain is a bit troubling but i know that with some rest this weekend i'll be back to normal for monday
- as far as test levels, my libido is through the roof and my aggression has been great in the gym! All around sense of well being is amazing right now!
- really starting to ramp up my core work right now so i should start seeing the benefits in my lifts coming very soon
 
Rest...Ice...Heat..Eat...Rest..Ice...Heat...Eat...Repeat...Come back monday and smash something heavy Jason!

Lifts are looking real strong despite not feeling at your best. Excellent work buddy! The Front squats is freaking beastly!! Reminds me I should probably start hitting it more!
 
punthra said:
Here's the last two days of workouts....

Shoulders / Triceps

Dumbbell Military Presses 50x10 / 60x10 / 70x10 / 80x10 (Could have gone heavier, but the rotator was wonky!) / 80x10 w/ drop 40x10 standing dumbbell presses

Dumbbell Laterals 30x10 / 35x10 / 40x10

Rope Rear Laterals 80x10 / 100x10 / 120x8

Banded Front Plate Raises sup/ Lateral Machine (Set 1) 45x10 & 25x10
(Set 2) 45x10 & 35x10 (Set 3) 45x10 & 45x8 (My God! Banded plate raises make your shoulders feel like they are going to explode)

Two Arm Dumbbell Extensions 90x10 / 110x10 / 130x8

One Arm Dumbbell Extensions 40x10 / 45x10

Extreme Close Grip Olympic Bar Skullcrusher (2 second pause at the bottom) 95x10
115x10 / 95x10

One Arm Reverse Grip Pressdowns 35x10 / 40x10 / 45x10



Legs

Front Squats 135x5 / 185x5 / 225x10 / 275x5 / 315x5 / 345x3 / 225x10 / 225x10

One Leg Presses 180x10 / 230x10 / 280x10

Leg Extensions 285x10 / 285x9 / 285x7

Stiff Leg Deadlifts 135x10 / 225x10 / 225x10

One Leg Ham Curls 60x10 / 80x8 / 100x5


Notes:
- can't wait to have a real amount of rest time to recover, the weekend couldn't get here fast enough. Football season is over and it's time to pack on the mass again!
- legs workout was bad ass! Legs feel just torched!
- rotator pain is a bit troubling but i know that with some rest this weekend i'll be back to normal for monday
- as far as test levels, my libido is through the roof and my aggression has been great in the gym! All around sense of well being is amazing right now!
- really starting to ramp up my core work right now so i should start seeing the benefits in my lifts coming very soon
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That is just sick!!!!
 
pembroke3355 said:
That is just sick!!!!
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Yah I am good at that exercise and can't imagine going that heavy 310 was brutal on me and took a couple attempts to get it right. Plus I only go paralell... if he's breaking 90 on these then that is crazy power!!
 
Ass to grass buddy! I love this exercise for what it does to my sweep! Now that someone is going to be handing me my ass on the regular i'm sure the numbers shall increase dramatically.
 
punthra said:
Ass to grass buddy! I love this exercise for what it does to my sweep! Now that someone is going to be handing me my ass on the regular i'm sure the numbers shall increase dramatically.
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I am just going to start calling you "The Beast From The Great White North"
 
Here's Chest....

Flat Barbell Presses 135x5 / 185x5 / 225x5 / 275x5 / 315x3 / 335x1 (No where near maxing just kind of playing around with some low rep stuff)

Incline Barbell Presses 135x10 / 205x10 / 250x8 / 280x4 (Strength went flat...But WOW, what a pump!!!)

Low Cable Crossovers sup/ Body Weight Dips (Set 1) 40x10 & BWx10 (Set 2) 50x10 & BWx10 (Set 3) 60x10 & BWx10 (Set 4) 30x20 & BWx8

Barbell Curls 95x5 / 115x5 / 135x5 / 155x3

One Arm Hammer Strength Preacher Curls 45x12 / 55x10 / 65x8

Hammer Curls 60x8 / 65x8 / 70x6 w/ drop 35x12

Notes:
- benching strength is feeling a bit off but we'll see what happens in the next little while
- amazingly tight bicep pump today!
- felt good in the gym today, completely recovered now that i don't have to play football on the weekends anymore
- really enjoying these intense workouts again, starting to look forward to killing things again in the gym! Winter goal is to put on 5-10 pounds, while working on my weakness'
 
Ah yes...working on weaknesses....a humbling task

How you gonna go about adding on 5-10lbs? Just an all out bulk? Focus on high weight low reps....lots of calories? Or a more strict lean bulk approach?
 
Looking good! Off season training is the ultimate motivation bro. Just remember the other guy is getting that last rep
 
Lean bulk i think, don't want to get to sloppy. I'm going to gradually continue to increase calories and then watch what the mirror and scale does.
 
I never would attempt an all out buld anymore, leaves too much to clean up, hek I can still add mass during recomp. All that being said, I lost discipline this fall and if it were not for the massive repartitioning properties of the supps I was taking I would have found myself in difficulty. The fact that I am doing a massive amount of walking is another factor, but cardio will never make up for bad eating. I will have to clean that up.
 
punthra said:
Here's Chest....

Flat Barbell Presses 135x5 / 185x5 / 225x5 / 275x5 / 315x3 / 335x1 (No where near maxing just kind of playing around with some low rep stuff)

Incline Barbell Presses 135x10 / 205x10 / 250x8 / 280x4 (Strength went flat...But WOW, what a pump!!!)

Low Cable Crossovers sup/ Body Weight Dips (Set 1) 40x10 & BWx10 (Set 2) 50x10 & BWx10 (Set 3) 60x10 & BWx10 (Set 4) 30x20 & BWx8

Barbell Curls 95x5 / 115x5 / 135x5 / 155x3

One Arm Hammer Strength Preacher Curls 45x12 / 55x10 / 65x8

Hammer Curls 60x8 / 65x8 / 70x6 w/ drop 35x12

Notes:
- benching strength is feeling a bit off but we'll see what happens in the next little while
- amazingly tight bicep pump today!
- felt good in the gym today, completely recovered now that i don't have to play football on the weekends anymore
- really enjoying these intense workouts again, starting to look forward to killing things again in the gym! Winter goal is to put on 5-10 pounds, while working on my weakness'
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How much more could you possibly kill it? LOL.
 
Oh, i'm just getting warmed up...needed someone to light a fire under my ass again.
 
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