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Erase vs. Formestane

I've no idea about erase, but at least one positive aspect of formestane is that it was deemed safe enough for women with breast cancer to tolerate. No one had to discontinue using it in a study abstract I saw. At the least, you can take it and know that if your stuff is pure, over a few weeks you will have few potential health problems. If only we could say the same for most supps (not necessarily erase).
 
Another one of these threads? First we compare PM to Free Test and now Erase to Formestane. How do you compare them? They're all completely different..

In this case one is steroidal and the other is not..end of story! OP if you're smart you'll go for the one that does not f*ck with your hormones..
 
BrYmAsTeR17 said:
Another one of these threads? First we compare PM to Free Test and now Erase to Formestane. How do you compare them? They're all completely different..

In this case one is steroidal and the other is not..end of story! OP if you're smart you'll go for the one that does not f*ck with your hormones..
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Assuming Erase does what it is purported to, it will 'f*ck with your hormones,' both cortisol and estrogen/testosterone. That's how it works. Letro is non steroidal...does that mean it should be prescribed over exemestane?
 
DAdams91982 said:
If used for the reason we are using it for... yes.
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That's a question each user should answer himself, I think. Am I using an AI to help me gain lbm, or to raise a number on a blood test (that I didn't get originally and can't now afford)? Maybe it is both, that'd be ideal.
 
fayd said:
Assuming Erase does what it is purported to, it will 'f*ck with your hormones,' both cortisol and estrogen/testosterone. That's how it works. Letro is non steroidal...does that mean it should be prescribed over exemestane?
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Okay agreed; I'll put it a better way.

"OP if you're smart you'll go for the one that does not cause HPTA shutdown"
 
chocolatemilk said:
Dose dependent my friend. Been mentioned a few times now. :dance2:
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Oh ok. It's kind of funny that we're both the catalysts for these types of dicussions. :saevil:

I would agree though that most natty's don't yield favorable results. Not all but most. I don't think Erase falls in with the majority however, and in this case I still think Erase would be safer and probably just as effective.
 
BrYmAsTeR17 said:
Oh ok. It's kind of funny that we're both the catalysts for these types of dicussions. :saevil:
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LOL :saevil:

BrYmAsTeR17 said:
I would agree though that most natty's don't yield favorable results. Not all but most. I don't think Erase falls in with the majority however, and in this case I still think Erase would be safer and probably just as effective.
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Thanks for your opinion. Always welcomed.
 
nattydisaster said:
You have to put Formestane on transdermally for it to be effective, or take HUGE oral doses

Erase has a lower Ki value than Formestane. This means that Erase is a better and more potent aromatase inhibitor.

Formestane has metabolites that can actually shut down your natural testosterone levels, and cause delayed gyno.

Erase does not have metabolites like this. Erase is a potent suicide aromatase inhibitor...look no further
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Explain to me how an AI that was used to treat breast cancer can cause gyno. At100mg of transdermal form per day, the AI properties balance out the suppressive properties. Also, THEHUGE has a post on bb.com saying there is no significant decrease in estradiol at 75mg with erase.
 
User12321 said:
Explain to me how an AI that was used to treat breast cancer can cause gyno. At100mg of transdermal form per day, the AI properties balance out the suppressive properties. Also, THEHUGE has a post on bb.com saying there is no significant decrease in estradiol at 75mg with erase.
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Also you said people have lost their libido on formestane. They must have been taking extremely high doses because my experience has been the exact opposite. Formestane at 100-200mg per day makes my libido skyrocket.
 
The formestane bashing in this thread was unwarranted, for sure. It'd be cooler if natty simply pointed out the differences while lauding both products. Instead it is clear he is on some sort of formestane witch hunt. Bottom line: Formestane is hard to find, Erase is lacking in much user feedback, and Nutra's 6bromo is 10 bucks a bottle :)
 
I haven't searched high and low. It's my opinion, please link me to some if you feel it's so readily available. Solo logs not during pct would be my preference. Also, as compared to formestane there is no comparison.
 
WTF is up with you reps feeling so defensive about your product anyways, and simultaneously attacking a product that barely made by anyone? I don't think anyone in here has bashed erase or its AI. Chill maybe?
 
User12321 said:
Explain to me how an AI that was used to treat breast cancer can cause gyno. At100mg of transdermal form per day, the AI properties balance out the suppressive properties. Also, THEHUGE has a post on bb.com saying there is no significant decrease in estradiol at 75mg with erase.
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Reread his statement... delayed gyno. He meant when coming off the suppressive compound, or did that word just completely disappear when reading it?

I am unconcerned with what THEHUGE is saying on the other board. The results speak, especially when he has other interests he is vested in.
 
fayd said:
WTF is up with you reps feeling so defensive about your product anyways, and simultaneously attacking a product that barely made by anyone? I don't think anyone in here has bashed erase or its AI. Chill maybe?
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I am not up in arms. You made a statement that is just completely laughable... especially when some of the top skeptics around here vouch for it... EasyEJL, Goonstopper, dat dude, ThunderGod... and plenty more, I just dont feel like bird dogging a bunch of logs.
 
You guys have got to be kidding when you say form has been linked to delayed gyno. Aside from the fact that rebound gyno is something that only occurs on the forums, steroidal ai's dont cause the aromatase enzyme to upregulate. As far as 4oht causing rebound gyno? We get it -- you want to scare users away from formestane to your own AI. Congratulations.

Saying 4oht causes rebound gyno is to me far more 'laughable' than me stating a new product does not have the feedback of a clinically studied AI and a several year old product.


Edit: you are still saying it is laughable without providing links to logs. I could look myself, and maybe I will. But responding with an attack doesn't make me feel any differently. You're a rep, one would think you would jump to promote your product.
 
fayd said:
You guys have got to be kidding when you say form has been linked to delayed gyno. Aside from the fact that rebound gyno is something that only occurs on the forums, steroidal ai's dont cause the aromatase enzyme to upregulate. As far as 4oht causing rebound gyno? We get it -- you want to scare users away from formestane to your own AI. Congratulations.

Saying 4oht causes rebound gyno is to me far more 'laughable' than me stating a new product does not have the feedback of a clinically studied AI and a several year old product.


Edit: you are still saying it is laughable without providing links to logs. I could look myself, and maybe I will. But responding with an attack doesn't make me feel any differently. You're a rep, one would think you would jump to promote your product.
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I will let Natty speak on the gyno part, that isn't my area.

As for the rest of your post... this isn't burger king, I could care less if you get it your way. Not exactly going to pander to you and go scouring the boards so I can link you to something when you can easy use the search right there at the top.
 
OK. I get it. It's easier to bash other products without proof while promoting your own with references to logs that I should go dig up. This isn't about me being too lazy, this is about you throwing out unfounded bull**** about form, when it is clear to anyone that if any AI needs to be justified, it is the newer one (not saying that your product isn't good...you got that?) I'm out.
 
fayd said:
OK. I get it. It's easier to bash other products without proof while promoting your own with references to logs that I should go dig up. This isn't about me being too lazy, this is about you throwing out unfounded bull**** about form, when it is clear to anyone that if any AI needs to be justified, it is the newer one (not saying that your product isn't good...you got that?) I'm out.
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Nobody here was asking for literature there. Everyone that was debating had already known the information, CM, RS, Natty are all smart as hell and know their ****, they do not need to trade pubmed links to debate the merits of a compound.
 
Everything you guys are arguing about has already been addressed in this thread and other threads.

We have no need to compare or recommend our product over Formestane, or vice versa. As stated in this thread by multiple people, Erase and Formestane, although both AI's, are very different compounds with very different effects.

Pick whatever you want...we are simply on AM to help edcuate members about our products and assist them in reaching their goals, not here to compare apples to oranges. I see a lot of the comments said were in attempt to get the argumentative nature in this thread going again. This thread has ended, IMO.
 
nattydisaster said:
Everything you guys are arguing about has already been addressed in this thread and other threads.

We have no need to compare or recommend our product over Formestane, or vice versa. As stated in this thread by multiple people, Erase and Formestane, although both AI's, are very different compounds with very different effects.

Pick whatever you want...we are simply on AM to help edcuate members about our products and assist them in reaching their goals, not here to compare apples to oranges. I see a lot of the comments said were in attempt to get the argumentative nature in this thread going again. This thread has ended, IMO.
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Well the problem is that a lot of your educating is biased to the extent of bordering on broscience.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Reread his statement... delayed gyno. He meant when coming off the suppressive compound, or did that word just completely disappear when reading it?

I am unconcerned with what THEHUGE is saying on the other board. The results speak, especially when he has other interests he is vested in.
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Delayed gyno and rebound gyno sound like they are describing two different things. It's just a sneaky way of making someone think they will develop gyno if they stay on formestane long enough.

Thehuge had bloodwork done on people so I will take his word for it when he says it doesn't produce a significant drop in estradiol. He was also the creator of a product that contained the same compound as erase so he had nothing to gain by saying it is a weak AI (although decent test booster) at the recommended dose.
 
Man this thread just keeps getting more and more out of control. This has already been debated by really smart guys. If you want to use Form use Form. If you want to use Erase use Erase. They both have their places in the supplement world. Granted Form is alot harder to come by now.
 
Ive had my wife on Erase for 2 weeks now, i think she is making amazing progress...Erase and a tan has turned her confidence 180, she is truly an amazing woman now.

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Ive had my wife on Erase for 2 weeks now, i think she is making amazing progress...Erase and a tan has turned her confidence 180, she is truly an amazing woman now.

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I like the before better
 
PrepNwa23 said:
Man this thread just keeps getting more and more out of control. This has already been debated by really smart guys. If you want to use Form use Form. If you want to use Erase use Erase. They both have their places in the supplement world. Granted Form is alot harder to come by now.
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Link?
 
freefall365 said:
i'm just throwing my opinion out there, ^^^ this man actually knows his stuff :)

I agree taking some herbals is not going to build muscles directly or quickly or easily. But raising test and hopefully keeping levels high certainly will help you grow in the gym eventually IMO. Even being more aggressive in the gym, (attributing aggression to elevated test to make my point) will help build muscle over the long haul if you can let that aggression push you to work harder. I totally get what you're saying tho choc., no herbal is going to slap on lbs of muscle.

what i meant by the confusing statement "but as a young dude with a full head of hair, I don't feel like running form for AI is worth lowering DHT levels. That said, I keep hearing nothing but good stuff about ****'s form" is that i'm not worried about high levels of DHT because I have no symptoms of MPB, so I don't really want to do anything to reduce an androgenic hormone in my body... and if I were to use form right now it would be ****'s product.
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Google the natural ISA-Test and its affect on hair...it thinned my hair out to f*Ck. They believe its due to higher test and so highe DHT without control substances. lower dht is fine by me!! Sometimes natural isnt necessarily with less risk for the minute gains. Agression up, yes, test up yes, dht up, gains... hmm.
 
I prefer formestane, not worried about going bald, I've already been there before...
 
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