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DHT help?

FLAwrestler88

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Hey guys

Im an over thinker most times and recently purchased "The One" clone, aka D-Plex. I know its DHT derivative , and now im seriously concerned since I am proned to male pattern baldness. Also, studies that DHT can shrink or halt genetalia growth, not exactly down for that. I cant think of any DHT inhibitor out there on the market..Any takers on whats good??

Thanks
 
FLAwrestler88 said:
Hey guys

Im an over thinker most times and recently purchased "The One" clone, aka D-Plex. I know its DHT derivative , and now im seriously concerned since I am proned to male pattern baldness. Also, studies that DHT can shrink or halt genetalia growth, not exactly down for that. I cant think of any DHT inhibitor out there on the market..Any takers on whats good??

Thanks
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look at something like myodrol to run with the one-btw i got good results from the one, more sides than protomax though.
 
FLAwrestler88 said:
Hey guys

Im an over thinker most times and recently purchased "The One" clone, aka D-Plex. I know its DHT derivative , and now im seriously concerned since I am proned to male pattern baldness. Also, studies that DHT can shrink or halt genetalia growth, not exactly down for that. I cant think of any DHT inhibitor out there on the market..Any takers on whats good??

Thanks
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Any hormone you add can shrink your testes..
Not just DHT..
The one is also methyl DHT.. mild HPTA wise..
 
So if I take something that is somewhat a dht inhibitor it wont diminish the effects of dplex, since its a mild dht precursor? Such as myodrol which was mentioned above..
 
FLAwrestler88 said:
So if I take something that is somewhat a dht inhibitor it wont diminish the effects of dplex, since its a mild dht precursor? Such as myodrol which was mentioned above..
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nope-it actually increased effects of my test cyp. i think it would be perfect for 'theone'.
 
thebigt said:
nope-it actually increased effects of my test cyp. i think it would be perfect for 'theone'.
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For something like Test Cyp, wouldn't it work by inhibiting test conversion to DHT, thus giving more test? In that case, it would be beneficial, like Finasteride.

In the case of a DHT pro-hormone (Stano-Drol, AndroHard, MMV2, D-Plex, The One), it's MOA is by directly increasing DHT levels, not test. If you inhibit DHT, then it would counteract the pro-hormone.

I'd say if you're concerned about MPB or other DHT related sides, I would not use a DHT derivative as it directly influences that hormone. Anything you take to block DHT will block the MOA and render it less effective. The effects you do have will still carry the unwanted sides.

Use a test-based derivative (H-Drol) and add in DHT control. Like T-Money was saying, it will enhance a test-based cycle.
 
Milas said:
For something like Test Cyp, wouldn't it work by inhibiting test conversion to DHT, thus giving more test? In that case, it would be beneficial, like Finasteride.

In the case of a DHT pro-hormone (Stano-Drol, AndroHard, MMV2, D-Plex, The One), it's MOA is by directly increasing DHT levels, not test. If you inhibit DHT, then it would counteract the pro-hormone.

I'd say if you're concerned about MPB or other DHT related sides, I would not use a DHT derivative as it directly influences that hormone. Anything you take to block DHT will block the MOA and render it less effective. The effects you do have will still carry the unwanted sides.

Use a test-based derivative (H-Drol) and add in DHT control. Like T-Money was saying, it will enhance a test-based cycle.
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probably the best idea right here.
 
Milas said:
For something like Test Cyp, wouldn't it work by inhibiting test conversion to DHT, thus giving more test? In that case, it would be beneficial, like Finasteride.

In the case of a DHT pro-hormone (Stano-Drol, AndroHard, MMV2, D-Plex, The One), it's MOA is by directly increasing DHT levels, not test. If you inhibit DHT, then it would counteract the pro-hormone.

I'd say if you're concerned about MPB or other DHT related sides, I would not use a DHT derivative as it directly influences that hormone. Anything you take to block DHT will block the MOA and render it less effective. The effects you do have will still carry the unwanted sides.

Use a test-based derivative (H-Drol) and add in DHT control. Like T-Money was saying, it will enhance a test-based cycle.
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This. However, I don't think administering finasteride would negate the effects of DHT derivatives such as Stano-Drol. Finasteride limits the conversion of Testosterone to DHT, but I don't believe it plays any part in the conversion of DHT prohormones into DHT. So these prohormones can go to work unimpeded.
 
there seems to be a lot of conflict regarding this subject-if the op is that concerned just avoid dht products.
 
saggy321 said:
This. However, I don't think administering finasteride would negate the effects of DHT derivatives such as Stano-Drol. Finasteride limits the conversion of Testosterone to DHT, but I don't believe it plays any part in the conversion of DHT prohormones into DHT. So these prohormones can go to work unimpeded.
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Correct, I was talking about Finasteride with a Test Cyp cycle. Direct DHT supplementation would not be affected by Finasteride. Other DHT inhibitors that work directly on DHT would (though I don't know which DHT inhibitors if any work directly on DHT).

BigT is right as well, if you worry about MPB and DHT sides, don't use a DHT derivative hormone. There are many options out there, pick the right one for you.
 
some good info in here guys!

wasn't toco8 from primordial performance supposed to help with MPB on cycle?

to the OP: you'd probably get more responses/info in the steroid section of the forum. you might ask a mod to move your thread...
 
thebigt said:
nope-it actually increased effects of my test cyp. i think it would be perfect for 'theone'.
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I have often wondered about this as well... the possible diminishing efficacy of any compound that converts to DHT or is a derivative of DHT to exert its anabolic potential in the body, IF we take DHT minimizing/reducing supplements?

I would love to always dose consistently to protect my prostate and hair line... but always assumed it would create a conflict and restrain the anabolic additive from imparting its maximum efficacy.
 
Outstanding said:
I have often wondered about this as well... the possible diminishing efficacy of any compound that converts to DHT or is a derivative of DHT to exert its anabolic potential in the body, IF we take DHT minimizing/reducing supplements?

I would love to always dose consistently to protect my prostate and hair line... but always assumed it would create a conflict and restrain the anabolic additive from imparting its maximum efficacy.
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i just assumed the myodrol would not interfere, but i don't know enough about it to say for sure.
 
Outstanding said:
I have often wondered about this as well... the possible diminishing efficacy of any compound that converts to DHT or is a derivative of DHT to exert its anabolic potential in the body, IF we take DHT minimizing/reducing supplements?

I would love to always dose consistently to protect my prostate and hair line... but always assumed it would create a conflict and restrain the anabolic additive from imparting its maximum efficacy.
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Theoretically test > DHT (unless you really want the androgenic sides like agression, deeper voice and body hair), so if you block conversion of test to DHT you'll be better off. If you're taking straight DHT or DHT-derivative, then blocking DHT would be negative since test balance wouldn't be enhanced, DHT would be reduced and preventing further DHT conversion wouldn't do much anything.
 
Milas said:
Theoretically test > DHT (unless you really want the androgenic sides like agression, deeper voice and body hair), so if you block conversion of test to DHT you'll be better off. If you're taking straight DHT or DHT-derivative, then blocking DHT would be negative since test balance wouldn't be enhanced, DHT would be reduced and preventing further DHT conversion wouldn't do much anything.
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i would love to see bloods after someone ran a dht derivative ph. i wonder just how much dht would be increased?
 
Sort of off the specific topic regarding actual DHT compounds, but would DHT control and blocking be most or at least somewhat imperative and beneficial when coming off cycle, since we don't have to worry about minimizing the anabolic effect during conversion, and are only focusing on on lowering whole body levels and creating a blockade to assist in hair growth and prostate health?
 
thebigt said:
i would love to see bloods after someone ran a dht derivative ph. i wonder just how much dht would be increased?
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I've been suffering from agressive MPB for the last 12 years and managing it with some success. I recently did the trifecta stack whilst taking finasteride and noticed no increase in shedding. But it was for only 4 weeks. So may be short cycles using smaller doses won't pose too much of a problem.

On a side note, taking a DHT enzyme inhibitor will increase the test levels in the body as less of it is being converted to DHT. Another point to note, DHT acts as an anti-estrogen in the body and suppressing it in the body will cause some of the symptoms of elevated estrogen, for example fat and water gain limited to specific areas of the body. Speaking from personal experience. I noticed quite a dramatic leaning effect within the first weeks of using the trifecta.
 
Outstanding said:
Sort of off the specific topic regarding actual DHT compounds, but would DHT control and blocking be most or at least somewhat imperative and beneficial when coming off cycle, since we don't have to worry about minimizing the anabolic effect during conversion, and are only focusing on on lowering whole body levels and creating a blockade to assist in hair growth and prostate health?
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saggy321 said:
I've been suffering from agressive MPB for the last 12 years and managing it with some success. I recently did the trifecta stack whilst taking finasteride and noticed no increase in shedding. But it was for only 4 weeks. So may be short cycles using smaller doses won't pose too much of a problem.

On a side note, taking a DHT enzyme inhibitor will increase the test levels in the body as less of it is being converted to DHT. Another point to note, DHT acts as an anti-estrogen in the body and suppressing it in the body will cause some of the symptoms of elevated estrogen, for example fat and water gain limited to specific areas of the body. Speaking from personal experience. I noticed quite a dramatic leaning effect within the first weeks of using the trifecta.
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Can't a topical DHT blocking agent be applied daily to the scalp in order to block only hair loss related DHT once it reaches the surface, so all other internal enzymatic and anabolic processes aren't affected?
 
Off topic maybe. What does running Demacrine with another oral do. Something similiar to this DHT topic?
 
JoHNnyNuTZ said:
Off topic maybe. What does running Demacrine with another oral do. Something similiar to this DHT topic?
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Theoretically Dermacrine provides DHEA which converts to testosterone (and estrogen). This helps with lethargy on cycle much like oral DHEA, but topical is supposed to have better bioavailability and conversion. DHEA and testosterone can convert to DHT, but Dermacrine has pregnenolone in it to help prevent conversion to DHT.
 
Outstanding said:
Can't a topical DHT blocking agent be applied daily to the scalp in order to block only hair loss related DHT once it reaches the surface, so all other internal enzymatic and anabolic processes aren't affected?
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Yes you could. I've read about people trying that. I myself also apply spirolactone twice and daily and that further increased the thickness of my hair. From what I've read, if you suffer aggressive MPB then you will need an internal DHT inhibitor. It seems topical anti-androgens haven't had the same success as internal. However, I think if you suffer mild to moderate MPB then using a topical anti-androgen whilst on cycle will be suffecient.
 
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