Lets take a look at what USP labs Oxyelite Pro REALLY is....
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matthew76
Banned
What an over-weight, nasty ass smoker! Seriosuly, he looks like a tool.
WilteredFire
Member
True. Kinda like the same way you dont need to "try" put your head under a moving Truck to know that it wont be good for you.
However much of a tool or a fool he may be for whatever he currently does in his personal life, or even if he has bias when he gives supplement advice, Dont negate any facts that the guy may give or share for instance.
He might have alot of bias, even give advice on health and smoke ciggys's like theres no tomorrow, but if he was to make a claim or statement that 2 + 2 = 4, no matter what his characters like or wether we like him or not, doesn't change the fact that he expressed. 2 + 2 will always be 4 wether or not he's a douche and wether we like what he says IMHO
Funny video though..
matthew76
Banned
F*ck that. I would NEVER take advice from someone who has NO personal experience for what is being discussed. I see some people around here handing out cycle advice, PCT advice, yet they have never run a cycle or PCT. WTF? Seriously, WTF?
Dizmal
Active member
Again, it's just one of those things you don't need to personally experience in order to be educated.
You get people coming in asking for PCT after the fact that they're already shut down. Someone gives them advice on what PCT to use and then a few weeks later you see them ditto head it. Do they really know what they're talking about? Nope. But they can tell you what they used. Then the fact that they didn't gain anything, gained a lot of fat or lost it all in PCT. It negates everything they "experienced" personally.
As stated above, I don't need to put my head under a moving bus in order to know it's going to hurt.
Now, do I want to talk to someone about marriage counseling who has never been married? Has some shiny degree on his wall, but no real experience besides what a text book told him? Probably not. Will I want to talk to the couple or person(s) married and still together 25+ years? Probably.
There are certain things where personal experience can give you knowledge and wisdom. Others, not so much.
You get people coming in asking for PCT after the fact that they're already shut down. Someone gives them advice on what PCT to use and then a few weeks later you see them ditto head it. Do they really know what they're talking about? Nope. But they can tell you what they used. Then the fact that they didn't gain anything, gained a lot of fat or lost it all in PCT. It negates everything they "experienced" personally.
As stated above, I don't need to put my head under a moving bus in order to know it's going to hurt.
Now, do I want to talk to someone about marriage counseling who has never been married? Has some shiny degree on his wall, but no real experience besides what a text book told him? Probably not. Will I want to talk to the couple or person(s) married and still together 25+ years? Probably.
There are certain things where personal experience can give you knowledge and wisdom. Others, not so much.
Dizmal
Active member
Another example is myself. I've done a cycle of The One. I'm currently doing a Trifecta cycle. Will I give advice or feel that I know enough about these chemicals to give advice to another person? No way! I know enough for myself to do what I want to do and achieve the goals I have set out to achieve. That's about it.
You sure as **** won't be seeing any books authored by Dizmal on AAS anytime soon.
You sure as **** won't be seeing any books authored by Dizmal on AAS anytime soon.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Let me reiterate something: what you are claiming, from a chemical standpoint, may as well be stating that your friend drinks water and urinates pure gold, by some miraculous feat of organic chemical metabolism. None of the compounds in Oxy Elite Pro share even peripheral, structural similarities with any phenethylamine homologues, and it is biologically impossible for these compounds to develop these similarities via metabolism.
plenny
Active member
I would never bash a company or their product, but for ME..
OEP didnt work at all and yes i know how to diet and properly use a fat burner...it didnt make me hungry, but i felt little in the way of appetite supression, and no energy whatsoever. I understand its a top selling product and so was lipo 6 a few years back and lipo 6 was a bust for me as well.
I even went as far as stacking bronkaid with oep to no avail. On a more positive note, i liked prime and loooooove jack3d.
I just cannot understand all of the positive reviews for oep. Hell, i get good results from less talked about burners like Xantrex from wal-mart and ripped fuel EF. But my favorite Slim X got a bad rap and was discontinued and everyone on here was quick to torture and hang AX for "spiking" SX and they believed that report.
OEP didnt work at all and yes i know how to diet and properly use a fat burner...it didnt make me hungry, but i felt little in the way of appetite supression, and no energy whatsoever. I understand its a top selling product and so was lipo 6 a few years back and lipo 6 was a bust for me as well.
I even went as far as stacking bronkaid with oep to no avail. On a more positive note, i liked prime and loooooove jack3d.
I just cannot understand all of the positive reviews for oep. Hell, i get good results from less talked about burners like Xantrex from wal-mart and ripped fuel EF. But my favorite Slim X got a bad rap and was discontinued and everyone on here was quick to torture and hang AX for "spiking" SX and they believed that report.
CTDeuce
MST Reppin Hard!
not like im trying to fuel any fires here...but how many stim products have you used in a row without taking any time off? You've listed at least 4 products in your 2 paragraphs alone that have their fair share of stimulants in them. You may have not gotten the energy properties from Oep due to your adrenals saying "funk off brotha"
plenny
Active member
Maybe i needed to be more explicit even though I stated that I'm an experienced stim user. I ran the OEP back in March 2010 after a winter of taking NOTHING. The other 2 stims (ripped fuel...xenadrine) i used last summer because it was convenient. Bottom line I was disappointed in OEP...sorry if my opinion offended you.:box::box::box:
The SX was ran a month after xantrex last fall. I was concerned about adrenal fatigue as well, but hell SX gave me energy like i never had in my life.
CTDeuce
MST Reppin Hard!
Oh I certainly wasn't offended...I was just stating a possible reason why you didn't get the same benefits 99.9% of other users have gotten. A lot of people state they are experienced users of products on here...then they ask "dude, why didnt I gain 27lbs like the bottle said I would?!?!?" :32:. Forgive me for not understanding how truly in tune with your body you were...
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
You are sort of ignorant on what went on with SX. There wasnt just a report, there were chemists and mass specs being discussed over at a drug/chemist forum, nothing to do with the supplement industry. SX gave you energy that you havent felt before because it was (For lack of a better term) an illegal grade stimulant.
plenny
Active member
99.9% seems a bit high...seriously. Hey, OEP is getting great feedback and that is great. Yeah, a handfull of PPL didnt respond well to it...so what..everyone is different. I remember back in like 1999 when hydroxycut was the bomb....i seen my friends drop 10-15 lbs while drinking like fish and eating junk. I took it and it didnt do nothing for me. But, ripped fuel with MaHuang worked wonderful for me, while some ppl got mediocre results.
plenny
Active member
An AX rep assured me that I have nothing to worry about.
southpaw23
Well-known member
I actually didn't experience any type of appetite suppression or intense energy either. Even if my adrenals were exhausted from consistent use of stims, apart from a feeling of energy/stimulation, shouldn't the weight loss effects have still been evident, due primarily to the alpha-2 antagonist ingredient in the formula? Now having said all this, I absolutely love Jack3d but OEP proved to be ineffective for me.
DreamWeaver
Legend
My experience was quite different, I ran it for 8 weeks the stim was very strong at first but settled down into something more manageable and once I got it to full dose, it just kept me stimmed all the way through. 8 weeks is a long time to feel like this though. Stuff tore fat off my body, weight loss was crazy, at times it seemed too quick and I feared I was losing muscle.
DAdams91982
Board Sponsor
Then there you go. if that is good enough for you, that is your decision. Others do not feel that way, so disregarding the attack on SX is a bit ominous as the situations were no way shape or form even remotely close to each other.
hardknock
Well-known member
True. Kinda like the same way you dont need to "try" put your head under a moving Truck to know that it wont be good for you.
However much of a tool or a fool he may be for whatever he currently does in his personal life, or even if he has bias when he gives supplement advice, Dont negate any facts that the guy may give or share for instance.
He might have alot of bias, even give advice on health and smoke ciggys's like theres no tomorrow, but if he was to make a claim or statement that 2 + 2 = 4, no matter what his characters like or wether we like him or not, doesn't change the fact that he expressed. 2 + 2 will always be 4 wether or not he's a douche and wether we like what he says IMHO
Funny video though..
There is a huge issue with some of your statement. 2 + 2 being 4 is not debateable in common terms. However, the effectiv,ness of an unknown is very much a different matter.
Now, when you factor that this guy has bad mouth the company before then his credibility takes a huge knock in so many ways.
If he is talking about a known such as injecting test, where data supports our findings or disproves our belief that is one thing but obscure supplements with little data are different.
southpaw23
Well-known member
I wish I had experienced the same success. Jack3d was perfect in almost every way, but as some others have stated before, it's not that OEP is ineffective, it's simply didn't work for them or myself. But then again I don't use fat-burners in the traditional sense. I use them as a pre-cardio aid, VPX clenbutrx worked very well for me and I loved it, it's the only fat-burner that has/had worked for me.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Yah I thought Jacked and OEP to be the same stim, I guess there must be some differences. Feels the same to me though. I like Motivate cuz the stim is mild and it's good for when I just need some focus. Don't get me wrong I love Jacked too but it has it's time and place. I only use stim when I need to, the one thing I did not like about OEP is being stimmed all the time. If anybody is doing a long run I would suggest getting some HGHPro or Powerfull to improve sleep. Combine either of these with Ghenerate and wow...
Guest
Guest
That was odd to me because they both share 2 common ingredients that hit the CNS.
If you "feel" jack3d, you feel OEP after those 3 compund. They differ and take a different angle, One with fat loss directed compound and the other with performance compounds..
DreamWeaver
Legend
That's what I thought. Certainly felt the same...
southpaw23
Well-known member
You're most likely correct in that assumption. I usually take 3 scoops of Jack3d, so perhaps that lends itself to "feeling" it more than I did with OEP.
I was reading reviews from OEP users, reporting that they lost weight with literally no change in their diets or training routine, which I don't believe for a single second. Does that mean the product is ineffective, obviously the answer is no. I think most likely that the product is very effective, it just didn't seem to be effective for me. In fact I was hungrier when I was on it. I've also tried many PWO's and the only product that I felt was consistent with each subsequent use was Jack3d, it's become a mainstay for me.
Guest
Guest
Cool with me!
OEP for many users makes you change your diet in the sense you eat MUCH less (all be it of the same thing for some hence no change in food choices just much less of the same food choices) and a huge reason for it's success but everyone is different. there have been reports of people taking OEP at night and going to sleep.
As i said, I'm in search of the 100 % supplement that blows everyone away and probably never find it....
Have a wonderful weekend.
southpaw23
Well-known member
Aren't we all (in search of the perfect supplement). I have yet to find it myself, but that onion extract article may hold some clues.
mav6
New member
I know I'm coming into the thread late, but the Dimethylamylamine if I'm not mistaken is chemically similar to speed in structure. Not to mention the caffeine load is pretty substantial. My GF started taking OEP, and I tried 2 caps out of curiousity, I was crawling out of my skin. That's a freakin strong stim effect your first dose. I'm sure you get desensitized quickly, but that first dose is pretty intense.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
You are mistaken, ha! But seriously, they are not even peripherally related to one another.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Guys as far as appetite suppression goes, it didn't really hit me how effective it was till I had to go off it without changing my diet during prep. There was an obvious increase.
DreamWeaver
Legend
Recreate killed my cravings, not as much appetite suppression even the decrease in appetite on OEP was not severe but it sure made things easier. I don't remember any issues keeping my diet untill I came off of it and noticed the difference.
Chequamegon
New member
Actually, when placed side by side, the two do have some structural similarities.
(I drew up a side-by-side in chemdraw, but I'm not allowed to post links/images yet... shucks.)
Also, although they are still two completely unique compounds, they do have some vaguely similar actions in regards to norepinephrine (especially l-amphetamine). I don't know much about drug tests, but maybe a cheap urine test recognizes the C3H9N branch of 1,3-dimethylamylamine as an amphetamine...? IDK just a thought.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
It would be impossible for 1,3-dimethylamylamine to elicit a false positive for the precise reason it is completely dissimilar to amphetamine structurally (and phenethylamine homologues more generally): all amphetamine derivatives (MDMA, Amphetamine salts, etc.) contain a certain phenyl-ring backbone which is not only essential for their mode of action, but also constitutes the structure that allows amphetamine metabolites to be detected in urinanalyses in the first place.
Chequamegon
New member
If a drug-test sample was analyzed via GC/MS then I agree that the two would be quite distinct. However, in a metabolite-detecting test, couldn't it be possible for the two compounds to share a common metabolite? It happens all the time with other drugs. 1,3-Dimethyamylamine is still a new chemical (at least in the sense that it has only recently been so common/readily available) so there hasn't been enough research on it to show its mode of action (not to my knowledge, anyway).... for all we know it could very well be metabolized in a manner similar to amphetamine (or any other drug, really) potentially yielding a common metabolite. Phenyl ring aside, its easy to see the similarities in structure between the two structures... maybe the C3H9N branches could have similar enzymatic or receptor-binding activity?? Nobody really knows, and until 1,3-dimethyamylamine is studied more, nobody will be able to answer any of the questions surrounding it with absolute certainty.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
That is the issue, though: that benzene ring that all amphetamine derivatives share is the very functional group that characterizes them as amphetamines in the first place. As I say earlier in this thread, the fact that amphetamine and 1,3-dimethyamylamine share similar alkyl structures as the second functional group, and are both aromatic amines, is in no way sufficient to deem the structurally similar.
I appreciate your enthusiasm, but you are entirely disregarding the most salient point of this entire conversation: 1,3-dimethylamylamine lacks the very structure that both a) characterizes all phenethylamine substitutions (thus holding true for all amphetamine metabolites) and b) allows both GC/MS and simpler ten panel urinanalyses to detect positive results for amphetamines in the first place. And as you well know, a phenyl-ring cannot be developed as a metabolite, and therefore if a substance does not initially contain a phenyl-ring, its metabolites will not contain one.
Eyayo
Member
quote from pa Post #4
"Methylsynephrine vs. Synephrine
The primary difference between synephrine and methylsynephrine is the addition of a methyl group on the alpha carbon (Figure 3). As mentioned previously, this has extensive pharmacodynamic implications as it increases the affinity of the compound for beta-receptors."
the alpha carbon methyl is important for an even greater reason. its blocks MAO metabolism. thats why PEA doesnt do much, but its alpha methyl analog (amphetamine) is very potent
anyway, i can find no natural source for this compound. so what is the DSHEA justification?
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methyl synephrine is an amphetamine which my friend failed for.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
There is no methyl-synephrine in JACK3D, and Jacob posted lab results displaying as much, and in turn debunking this whole nonsense, several pages ago. Your friend was either taking a compound known as a "cross reactant," or he was smoking methamphetamine.