Volcom's Nata-Prime-Pro-911-Madrol-iian log

[VolcomX311]

I actually think the king of the crazies has to be Scott Coker, trying to make a parallel with Batista and Brock. If he truly cannot differentiate Brock's wrestling pedigree from Batista having nothing but bodybuilding as a background and expects a correlation of success and stardom in MMA, then for sure, Scott Coker is the king of the crazies.

 

[Rodja]

and I've been corrected spelling it both ways onder:

I recall it being Mirco during his K-1 days, but it's been Mirko ever since then.

 

[VolcomX311]

Most recent Wandy tribute video (made today 07/22). It's unparalleled solely due to the sound track being Sand Storm.

 

[VolcomX311]

GSP/Silva

Which fight will actually happen first? GSP vs Silva or Manny vs Mayweather?

It could be the biggest fight in UFC history.

It could break all the records.

And according to UFC president Dana White, everyone keeps asking for it, so he might just have to give it to them.

The longstanding fight fans have been asking for is to see widely regarded pound-for-pound king Anderson Silva match up with the fighter closely nipping at his heels for the top spot in UFC welterweight champion Georges St-Pierre. The fight has been brought up to White for years, and both camps have expressed interest.

Silva's manager, Ed Soares, says the Brazilian champion is all about big fights, and that means bringing in whoever is going to present the biggest challenge.

The biggest question surrounding the potential mega match-up right now is what weight class the two fighters would face off at? Silva rules the 185-pound division, while St-Pierre is a multi-time welterweight champion.

"First of all, I think to protect both champions, I think it's smarter to do it at a catchweight possibly, but who knows? Anderson... I don't think he could. Maybe he could, I'm not sure, make it down to 170. I think it's much easier and more likely that Georges goes up to 185," Soares told MMAWeekly Radio recently.

Silva has fluctuated in weight a lot over the years. The one-time 167-pound champion in Shooto, Silva fought at 175 pounds when for Rumble on the Rock, at his natural weight class at 185 pounds, and has also made a couple of appearances at 205 pounds, knocking out both James Irvin and former UFC light heavyweight champion Forrest Griffin.

Soares doesn't rule out Silva's freakish ability to put on and take off weight, and believes that the potential dynamite of promoting a two weight class champion could be just the formula that gets the superstars in the Octagon together.

"Could Anderson do it? He probably could," Soares commented about Silva. "It would be interesting. It would be a great promotion. If either one could make each other's weight class, it would be a great promotion to be the first guy holding two belts at the same time."

When it comes to Silva's career, it's all about the big fight, and Soares isn't in the business of turning down opportunities for his fighters.

"Tell GSP to make weight, we'll be waiting," Soares said simply.

Both fighters are occupied presumably for the rest of 2010 with Silva facing Chael Sonnen in August, and St-Pierre defending his belt against Josh Koscheck most likely in December. If both are victorious, the clash of two of the best ever in MMA could be the biggest fight in UFC history.

I don't like Soares. As much as I'd love to see this fight, I'll remain skeptical until the two get in a pushing match mid-cage, in one of their post fight interviews. That likely would never happen. At least two ominous Samurai bows.

 

[Rodja]

Which fight will actually happen first? GSP vs Silva or Manny vs Mayweather?



I don't like Soares. As much as I'd love to see this fight, I'll remain skeptical until the two get in a pushing match mid-cage, in one of their post fight interviews. That likely would never happen. At least two ominous Samurai bows.

Soares is obnoxious. He's extremely full of **** and lies his ass off during his translations.

 

[VolcomX311]

Soares is obnoxious. He's extremely full of **** and lies his ass off during his translations.

So I've heard. Intentionally mis-communicating translations, in front of a live crowd no less, is a special kind of shady.

 

[VolcomX311]

UFC 117: Silva vs Sonnen Preview



It's actually a pretty entertaining preview. Personally, I think Silva is going to perform a full anal assault on Sonnen, but I'm rooting for Sonnen, nonetheless. That whole Maia episode may have placed him on the permanently disdain list, not sure yet.

 

[Rodja]

It's actually a pretty entertaining preview. Personally, I think Silva is going to perform a full anal assault on Sonnen, but I'm rooting for Sonnen, nonetheless. That whole Maia episode may have placed him on the permanently disdain list, not sure yet.

The Cote fight made him annoying. The Leites fight made me dislike him. The Maia fight made me hate him.

 

[VolcomX311]

The Cote fight made him annoying. The Leites fight made me dislike him. The Maia fight made me hate him.

Lol, I think that could be polled as the leading sequence of events that have lead to Anderson's general disdain by the masses.

I think having done that to someone like Maia of all people turned Andy's actions from really annoying, to unforgivably outrageous, because Maia is such a non-drama, non-trash talking, normal and respectful guy.

Of all the people rooting for Chael Sonnen to win, I'm fairly confident there are more, anti-Silva fans, then there are actual Chael Sonnen fans. Myself included.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Which fight will actually happen first? GSP vs Silva or Manny vs Mayweather?



I don't like Soares. As much as I'd love to see this fight, I'll remain skeptical until the two get in a pushing match mid-cage, in one of their post fight interviews. That likely would never happen. At least two ominous Samurai bows.

On Canadian media, GSP has been a bit more brazen lately about the topic inasmuch stating interest in the fight, but only after he has permanently moved to 185. While I think GSP's composite of skills is A. Silva's hypothetical kryptonite, the latter is simply significantly larger than GSP which poses a significant disadvantage. The fight would most likely have to be contested at a catchweight of 177lbs, easily allowing each fighter to shed the same amount of weight, particularly given the 1lb allowance.

As for Soares, that ****sucker can eat a **** and ****ing die. He is by far and away the most obnoxious twit in all of MMA.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

Lol, I think that could be polled as the leading sequence of events that have lead to Anderson's general disdain by the masses.

I think having done that to someone like Maia of all people turned Andy's actions from really annoying, to unforgivably outrageous, because Maia is such a non-drama, non-trash talking, normal and respectful guy.

Of all the people rooting for Chael Sonnen to win, I'm fairly confident there are more, anti-Silva fans, then there are actual Chael Sonnen fans. Myself included.

And as the overwhelming minority, an ever-so-small contingent of fans, such as myself, who actually believe this to be a compelling stylistic match-up.

Chael's submission defense is horrid (being submitted by Maia very recently, in fact) but his streak of Miller-Okami-Marquardt is quite frankly undeniable. Behind Silva, from the standpoint of talent, Okami and Marquardt were most certainly the UFC's premiere middleweights, and Sonnen thoroughly manhandled both*. His overall record may not be supreme, but more than all combat sports, mixed martial arts is a case of, "what have you done for me lately?"

Looking at his most recent victories, I think this is the most competitive match-up for Anderson Silva at 185 since Henderson. Whether or not that indicates a match which plays out as such remains to be seen!

*Ironically enough, discounting Marquardt nearly subbing him.

 

[Royd The Noyd]

The natadrol increasing appetite is interesting. Feeling pretty full most of the day but I just started taking natadrol (today), so we shall see. I wonder if it has some effect on glucose/insulin...

 

[VolcomX311]

The natadrol increasing appetite is interesting. Feeling pretty full most of the day but I just started taking natadrol (today), so we shall see. I wonder if it has some effect on glucose/insulin...

I can't answer for certain, but the reason I was advised to take it with meals was to, "avoid feeling hypo." I was told there'd be some partitioning effects, but that was simply advice and information given to me. I don't understand the ingredients enough to confirm that with my own factual knowledge. I've certainly been eating more and more often, while on fat burners no less (for the energy, not the weight loss, per se).

Let me know if your appetite takes any drastic shifts.

 

[VolcomX311]

And as the overwhelming minority, an ever-so-small contingent of fans, such as myself, who actually believe this to be a compelling stylistic match-up.

Chael's submission defense is horrid (being submitted by Maia very recently, in fact) but his streak of Miller-Okami-Marquardt is quite frankly undeniable. Behind Silva, from the standpoint of talent, Okami and Marquardt were most certainly the UFC's premiere middleweights, and Sonnen thoroughly manhandled both*. His overall record may not be supreme, but more than all combat sports, mixed martial arts is a case of, "what have you done for me lately?"

Looking at his most recent victories, I think this is the most competitive match-up for Anderson Silva at 185 since Henderson. Whether or not that indicates a match which plays out as such remains to be seen!

*Ironically enough, discounting Marquardt nearly subbing him.

I agree there's stylist interest between Chael and Silva. On a macro level, it has correlating principles of a GSP vs Silva, strong TD vs weak TDD, strong top control vs weak off the back. Though all the strengths we discussed in regards to GSP's TD success are things Chael lacks. Chael is a power tackle TD guy, whereas, GSP is a much more strategic TD artist.

Unless Chael offers some kind of stand up threat, it may be Maia all over again, where Silva's sole concern is to play prevent defense TDD, then bob & weave and successfully pick whatever shot he chooses.

Silva would need someone like GSP, who can threaten him on the feet or keep him on his toes at least and sneak that TD in at an opportune times. I can only comprehend Chael trying to get it to the ground ASAP and at all costs. This usually leads to 10 feet out football tackle TD's that only work primarily on the likes of Gegard and Daley.

 

[Rodja]

And as the overwhelming minority, an ever-so-small contingent of fans, such as myself, who actually believe this to be a compelling stylistic match-up.

Chael's submission defense is horrid (being submitted by Maia very recently, in fact) but his streak of Miller-Okami-Marquardt is quite frankly undeniable. Behind Silva, from the standpoint of talent, Okami and Marquardt were most certainly the UFC's premiere middleweights, and Sonnen thoroughly manhandled both*. His overall record may not be supreme, but more than all combat sports, mixed martial arts is a case of, "what have you done for me lately?"

Looking at his most recent victories, I think this is the most competitive match-up for Anderson Silva at 185 since Henderson. Whether or not that indicates a match which plays out as such remains to be seen!

*Ironically enough, discounting Marquardt nearly subbing him.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that his submission defense is horrid as his only submission losses are against really, really good grapplers (outside of Forrest at least). He was always an undersized LHW and his move to MW has shown his true skills. I remember when he fought Babalu at UFC 55, he weighed in around 195 or so.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

I wouldn't go so far as to say that his submission defense is horrid as his only submission losses are against really, really good grapplers (outside of Forrest at least). He was always an undersized LHW and his move to MW has shown his true skills. I remember when he fought Babalu at UFC 55, he weighed in around 195 or so.

Your point is well taken, however: there are myriad other wrestlers who have not been submitted by every competent grappler they have faced, whereas Chael has suffered that fate. Even discounting his LHW submissions, and examining the Filho and Maia submissions, it seems to be a strategy issue more than an ability issue - that is, he tends to mindlessly delve into guards he should be more cautious in.

 

[Rodja]

Your point is well taken, however: there are myriad other wrestlers who have not been submitted by every competent grappler they have faced, whereas Chael has suffered that fate. Even discounting his LHW submissions, and examining the Filho and Maia submissions, it seems to be a strategy issue more than an ability issue - that is, he tends to mindlessly delve into guards he should be more cautious in.

He does seem to have finally put it together in a gameplan sense. He's using his wrestling very well and intelligent GnP. The Filho submission was sad because he was dominating that fight.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

He does seem to have finally put it together in a gameplan sense. He's using his wrestling very well and intelligent GnP. The Filho submission was sad because he was dominating that fight.

We are on the same page here, most definitely. His submission losses were silly gameplan mistakes, rather than ability.

And for certain, his recent streak, as I said, makes me interested in this fight!

 

[MrBigPR]

uhh subbed?

 

[VolcomX311]

In regards to Chael being subbed in the past. There was a discussion awhile back about this. Chael was being interviewed about his up coming Marquart fight (or it could have been a post-fight interview), he claims, that those times he was subbed were windows of psychological breakdown, where for whatever reason, he would just mentally give up. According to Chael, he took some time with a psychologist or sports psychologist to figure out why, even if he were in a winning position in a fight, at some point he would quasi-sabotage his own fight. I'm obviously not using this as any type of argument, it's what he said.

This factor may or may not have actually attributed to his latest wins (he claims it does), but I don't see it helping hm in the Silva fight, either way.

 

[VolcomX311]

uhh subbed?

This thread really is about Natadrol and Prime as the main and everything else in PCT. If you dig deep, I have already posted a few workouts, but you'd need to dig really deep, j/k.

My two biggest passions are lifting and MMA and there's just more to BS about when it comes to MMA, so I imagine there's going to be a lot of that. Especially come, post-fights weekends.

I think my Oly-lifts may subside more then I'd like as well. If my lumbar can get aggravated by rack deads, then i don't know. It may transition more and more to traditional bodybuilding log, which is fine by me and probably preferred by 99% of the people.

Good to have you.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

I would curtail the MMA round table, Volcom, but you, Rodja and I are really the only pre-ZUFFA-monopoly MMA forum members who are still active.

 

[VolcomX311]

Cycle Report

Still the most prevalent symptoms I'm experiencing is increased hunger, both in magnitude and frequency. It's a bit of a double edged sword, because I'm okay with the increased caloric intake, however, those hunger pains continue to occur as long as I'm up (I stayed up playing Assassin's Creed II last night far longer then I should have; that game is crack), by mid night'ish, I had nothing I was willing to let sit in sleeping body, but I was hungry as hell.

I may hit chest today and toward the latter half of the workout I usually perform some form of hammers or machines and for me, that's when strength increases are most notable. We'll see how it goes.

 

[VolcomX311]

I would curtail the MMA round table, Volcom, but you, Rodja and I are really the only pre-ZUFFA-monopoly MMA forum members who are still active.

No need to curtail, it's encouraged :usa2: The MMA forum has been dead for awhile, so this is nice. Especially come post-fight weekends.

 

[Mulletsoldier]

UFC 117 and 118 both look to be very interesting, so, we should see some substantial activity up in herrr. 117, in particular, looks like a promising undercard with some significant fights at WW.

How excited are you for Fitch/Alves II?

 

[VolcomX311]

Apparently, Rampage and Machida has been announced.

As much as I love Rampage, though I've yet to see the A-Team movie, in my opinion, he's moving from a loss, directly to a superior opponent. I'm no Machida fan and I am a Jackson fan, but Rampage doesn't do well against intelligent fighters and even worse against multidimensional fighters.

Rampage isn't a rush striker, he tends to pick & choose and boxes. Machida is the master of the poke game and stylistically, I think this fight plays into Machida's strength, big time. Rampage does have a punchers chance, imo, because he is loaded with power, but I'm predicting Machida comes in more defensive and evasive then ever and I don't see Rampage getting a chance to get into any big flurries and landing a KO.

Maybe Rampage can catch Machida when as he jumps in & out of the pocket, but I don't know that Rampage is now or ever was, that sharp of a timing expert.

 

[VolcomX311]

UFC 117 and 118 both look to be very interesting, so, we should see some substantial activity up in herrr. 117, in particular, looks like a promising undercard with some significant fights at WW.

How excited are you for Fitch/Alves II?

I like it because I recognize the significance and interest in it, but the fights I feel the most personally invested in, are activities in the HW division and anything involving BJ Penn. Everything else I simply enjoy & appreciate, but not to the extent of yelling at the T.V. or raising my arms and standing up off my stool at the sports bar table enjoy.

I'm shockingly stoked about Roy/JDS. On one hand, I want to see JDS establish his anticipated dominance, on the other hand, I want Roy to prove all the haters wrong and I simply love an underdog victory in cases like this.

As far as Cain/Brock. I think it's no secret Brock is my boy, although I do recognize the issue of running from strikes as displayed against Carwin. I'm withholding judgment until his next fight on that issue. It could have been ring rust (though he showed symptoms of it in Brock/Mir II) or it could be an inherent aspect that may or may not be trainable.

As to the fight. I think I dislike Cain fans more then I actually dislike Cain. I think Cain is actually a very humble, level headed and classy fighter, it's just all that Brown Pride stuff that urks me, (my wife is half Mexican, so I'm no member of The Hood and I'm Asian so that automatically disqualifies me I guess). I just don't like that Brown Pride stuff.....

I'm also really anxious about the BJ/Edgar fight. The Kos/GSP will be exciting, too, except its lacking that element of potential defeat. Kos would need to do something short of walking on water to beat an advanced version of himself in practically every way, in GSP.

 

[Rodja]

Apparently, Rampage and Machida has been announced.

As much as I love Rampage, though I've yet to see the A-Team movie, in my opinion, he's moving from a loss, directly to a superior opponent. I'm no Machida fan and I am a Jackson fan, but Rampage doesn't do well against intelligent fighters and even worse against multidimensional fighters.

Rampage isn't a rush striker, he tends to pick & choose and boxes. Machida is the master of the poke game and stylistically, I think this fight plays into Machida's strength, big time. Rampage does have a punchers chance, imo, because he is loaded with power, but I'm predicting Machida comes in more defensive and evasive then ever and I don't see Rampage getting a chance to get into any big flurries and landing a KO.

Maybe Rampage can catch Machida when as he jumps in & out of the pocket, but I don't know that Rampage is now or ever was, that sharp of a timing expert.

Rampage has become as bad as Chuck as far as looking for the 1-punch KO. His feet have really slowed and his game never really fully developed as far as amalgamating his striking and wrestling goes.

 

[VolcomX311]

Rampage has become as bad as Chuck as far as looking for the 1-punch KO. His feet have really slowed and his game never really fully developed as far as amalgamating his striking and wrestling goes.

I'll never know why he 100% abandoned his wrestling. Not that it was ever all that technical, but it was at least a threat and something to divide the opponents attention on. Also, against Rashad, he looked like a turtle on it's back, whereas, in the past, when he was still wrestling, he could at least make the ground work for him and not let it be a place of pure nullification.

 

[Rodja]

I'll never know why he 100% abandoned his wrestling. Not that it was ever all that technical, but it was at least a threat and something to divide the opponents attention on. Also, against Rashad, he looked like a turtle on it's back, whereas, in the past, when he was still wrestling, he could at least make the ground work for him and not let it be a place of pure nullification.

He showed some flashes of it against Jardine, but we haven't seen much of it in years.

 

[MrBigPR]

lmao, I used a question mark because i'm a noob to all this MMA talk. I'm getting there though, haven't missed a ppv since march.

everybody at work is a fanatic so it's only natural I become one. keep up the talk!!

as far as natadrol, the appetite stuff sounds good. do u feel like it is affecting energy levels? do u want to pig out or eat clean?

 

[VolcomX311]

lmao, I used a question mark because i'm a noob to all this MMA talk. I'm getting there though, haven't missed a ppv since march.

everybody at work is a fanatic so it's only natural I become one. keep up the talk!!

as far as natadrol, the appetite stuff sounds good. do u feel like it is affecting energy levels? do u want to pig out or eat clean?

Unless I'm on an intentional cut, my diet will remain relatively clean, but I don't limit myself if the occasion should arrive that there's a pizza in my face or I opt to eat all the rice with my chicken bowl.

That said, the hunger pains have been both progressive, where I have the patience to pick & choose my macros and also, a sudden veracious appetite where I'm fiendig for indiscriminate calories.

What's most notable about the appetite increases, are that they occur in spit of me being on fat burners (for 5am energy, not for weight loss, per se). I've been taking 2 caps Adrenaline, 1 cap Oxyelite Pro, once in the morning, because three times out of the week, my day starts at 5:30am, ends at 5pm, so I take the burners to get me out of bed and energized enough to train people at the performance facility.

For me, PRIME has a strong, anti-DOMS effect, whether it obliterates it altogether or supremely enhances the recovery time. I suppose that will be hard to report on in regards to Natadrol. I'm also rather familiar with the extent of strength gains I traditionally get from PRIME, so anything beyond what I'm used to (this is my 5th or 6th run with PRIME), I'll note.

This is my first run with Natadrol, which makes it kind of ineffective to really analyze in a stack situation, so I've been debating whether I should discuss them individually at all and just report my sum effects.

I singled out Natadrol for the appetite increases, because my past multiple runs with PRIME, I personally never experienced any direct appetite increases and my current appetite, again, extent and frequency has been uncharacteristic and being on fat burners, nonetheless.

 

[Tomahawk88]

Im def liking all the MMA talk.

 

[VolcomX311]

Im def liking all the MMA talk.

No homo, but when I was doing rack deads with 550lbs for reps (for the first time) the other day, I thought about the numbers you posted. Of course they were only rack deads, which only make them 1/4 legit, but it was exciting playing with that much weight. I don't expect I'll ever see 500lbs with Romanians again, especially if my back keeps acting like this, so moving respectable weight on the racks was a cool experience. There's just something cool about loading 5 plates and I bet I'd feel 3/4 cooler if I was pulling it off the floor, instead of at the knees.

 

[Tomahawk88]

No homo, but when I was doing rack deads with 550lbs for reps (for the first time) the other day, I thought about the numbers you posted. Of course they were only rack deads, which only make them 1/4 legit, but it was exciting playing with that much weight. I don't expect I'll ever see 500lbs with Romanians again, especially if my back keeps acting like this, so moving respectable weight on the racks was a cool experience. There's just something cool about loading 5 plates and I bet I'd feel 3/4 cooler if I was pulling it off the floor, instead of at the knees.

Oh I agree it just feels good seeing that much weight on a bar. Putting 6 plates on the bar is even better. I wish I would have had someone record it. I want to be able to pull 600 again but at a BW of 200 pounds.

 

[10bathroomsO]

def. subbed dont know where ive been but i got some catch up to do going to read some

 

[VolcomX311]

Oh I agree it just feels good seeing that much weight on a bar. Putting 6 plates on the bar is even better. I wish I would have had someone record it. I want to be able to pull 600 again but at a BW of 200 pounds.

I was about 198lbs when I pulled 495 for 2, but I've never been that strong again. I was nowhere near that strong when I was most recently doing deads at 212-220lbs BW. Whent I hit 495, I was using wraps and a belt and at that time I could do 405 for 10 reps (bounce reps though, not stop & pause).

Prior to the last time I stopped doing deads about a month ago, I wasn't using wraps or belts and my peak set would end with 405 for 5 reps (stop & pause).

Then my low back acted up again, so I'm going to start with racks and work my way to the floor.

200lbs BW for a 600lbs pull would be sick. I'd like to aim that high myself if my back stops giving me the 2 steps forward 3 steps back treatment.

I recall Rodja and Mullet both having abnormally strong deads for their body weight, relative to non-competitive lifters.

 

[VolcomX311]

def. subbed dont know where ive been but i got some catch up to do going to read some

Nice to have you :cheers:

 

[Rodja]

I was about 198lbs when I pulled 495 for 2, but I've never been that strong again. I was nowhere near that strong when I was most recently doing deads at 212-220lbs BW. Whent I hit 495, I was using wraps and a belt and at that time I could do 405 for 10 reps (bounce reps though, not stop & pause).

Prior to the last time I stopped doing deads about a month ago, I wasn't using wraps or belts and my peak set would end with 405 for 5 reps (stop & pause).

Then my low back acted up again, so I'm going to start with racks and work my way to the floor.

200lbs BW for a 600lbs pull would be sick. I'd like to aim that high myself if my back stops giving me the 2 steps forward 3 steps back treatment.

I recall Rodja and Mullet both having abnormally strong deads for their body weight, relative to non-competitive lifters.

I've been having some major piriformis and erector issues lately and my DL is down to around 410 or so. That's a far cry from 515

 

[10bathroomsO]

my dl is only like 250
is that bad that all my other lifts are higher then my dl ?
maybe its more and im not doing it correctly but i believe its due to a weak lower back ???

 

[VolcomX311]

my dl is only like 250
is that bad that all my other lifts are higher then my dl ?
maybe its more and im not doing it correctly but i believe its due to a weak lower back ???

It has a lot to do with how long you've been performing them (lots of coordination, neural factors involved), whether you're using wraps or not, are you using a switch grip (under-over), you know your technique in regards to how close your holding the bar is right around where it should be if you've had a couple mishaps with shin scrapes. Length of your arms and legs can effect it.

My squats are no where near the ball park of my deads, not even the same city and I find that a bit odd myself, more then a hundred plus pounds apart.

 

[Tomahawk88]

It has a lot to do with how long you've been performing them (lots of coordination, neural factors involved), whether you're using wraps or not, are you using a switch grip (under-over), you know your technique in regards to how close your holding the bar is right around where it should be if you've had a couple mishaps with shin scrapes. Length of your arms and legs can effect it.

My squats are no where near the ball park of my deads, not even the same city and I find that a bit odd myself, more then a hundred plus pounds apart.

I think Im an oddity then because my skins are unscathed onder:

 

[VolcomX311]

I've been having some major piriformis and erector issues lately and my DL is down to around 410 or so. That's a far cry from 515

That's a huge drop. Then consider this the official, "Regressive Dead Lifts Support Group," aka RDLSG. Our chips are in the shape of a 45 plate.

My old slip disc injury has really limited my DL strength, that or I was just riding the waive of the hormonal firestorm of adolescence when I was pulling that kind of weight, I don't know. One thing for sure, is that if I have any hopes of reclaiming my old DL glory, it's going to have to be a hella slow process. However, even in my stronger days, I never officially broke the 500lbs mark. I should have added those 2.5's.

About 3 months ago, I stopped using belts and wraps for the sake of keeping my progress snail pace. I figured if I only pull weights I can naturally hold and perform with my natural core pressure, then my progress should be sufficiently stunted. To my surprise, I went from struggling to hold 185lbs to holding 405lbs in a matter of 2 months. My grip strength progressed much, MUCH faster then I anticipated, and of course if I "could" do more, the bull-headed guy in me "WILL" do more. Plus, while going snail pace. My back felt 100% and at that point, I start to forget that I ever had any handicaps to be concerned about to begin with and that's when my re-injuries return.

Once my sets started progressing in 1 plate, 2 plates, 3 plates, 4 plates manner. I started to slowly feel those old back aggravations come, ie.. more of a strain feel, as oppose to regular DOMS in the lumbar, prolonged recovery time of the lumbar, the onset of a consistent tightness that feels like a ball....etc.

I went to Taiwan for 10 days and I didn't do jack but let everything recover, from my liver, to the adrenal glands, to my body in general. Now I'm back and I'm going to give deads another crack, but I'll start at racks this time and lower the rack progressively.

At the moment, my main focus would be the Oly-Snatch and Hang Cleans, so maybe this will keep me from bull-charging into heavy deads, as I have about 4-5 times prior.

 

[VolcomX311]

I think Im an oddity then because my skins are unscathed onder:

That makes you Neo from the Matrix. I must have taken the wrong pill when approached by Morpheus.

 

[Rodja]

That's a huge drop. Then consider this the official, "Regressive Dead Lifts Support Group," aka RDLSG. Our chips are in the shape of a 45 plate.

My old slip disc injury has really limited my DL strength, that or I was just riding the waive of the hormonal firestorm of adolescence when I was pulling that kind of weight, I don't know. One thing for sure, is that if I have any hopes of reclaiming my old DL glory, it's going to have to be a hella slow process. However, even in my stronger days, I never officially broke the 500lbs mark. I should have added those 2.5's.

About 3 months ago, I stopped using belts and wraps for the sake of keeping my progress snail pace. I figured if I only pull weights I can naturally hold and perform with my natural core pressure, then my progress should be sufficiently stunted. To my surprise, I went from struggling to hold 185lbs to holding 405lbs in a matter of 2 months. My grip strength progressed much, MUCH faster then I anticipated, and of course if I "could" do more, the bull-headed guy in me "WILL" do more. Plus, while going snail pace. My back felt 100% and at that point, I start to forget that I ever had any handicaps to be concerned about to begin with and that's when my re-injuries return.

Once my sets started progressing in 1 plate, 2 plates, 3 plates, 4 plates manner. I started to slowly feel those old back aggravations come, ie.. more of a strain feel, as oppose to regular DOMS in the lumbar, prolonged recovery time of the lumbar, the onset of a consistent tightness that feels like a ball....etc.

I went to Taiwan for 10 days and I didn't do jack but let everything recover, from my liver, to the adrenal glands, to my body in general. Now I'm back and I'm going to give deads another crack, but I'll start at racks this time and lower the rack progressively.

At the moment, my main focus would be the Oly-Snatch and Hang Cleans, so maybe this will keep me from bull-charging into heavy deads, as I have about 4-5 times prior.

I'm making a point of diligent pre-hab/flexibility to loosen the fascia in the hips and have, for the first time, really started to understand the importance of deloading.

 

[VolcomX311]

I'm making a point of diligent pre-hab/flexibility to loosen the fascia in the hips and have, for the first time, really started to understand the importance of deloading.

Explain to me what you've come to understand about deloading, share with the group. I'd be more then willingly to employ it, if it'll help my DL recovery process and how do you employ it? Same reps as previous during the pyramid? What is it are you trying to elicit with the deloading?

 

[MrBigPR]

That makes you Neo from the Matrix. I must have taken the wrong pill when approached by Morpheus.

dude, my gym got a new bar that I DLed with...F*ck...

caught my leg left pretty good and bruised my right...I was bleeding all over the place. Some chick actually threw up...had people coming over asking what happened and if I was alright...:lol:

 

[VolcomX311]

dude, my gym got a new bar that I DLed with...F*ck...

caught my leg left pretty good and bruised my right...I was bleeding all over the place. Some chick actually threw up...had people coming over asking what happened and if I was alright...:lol:

Lol, i was wearing shorts once and I caught my left shin. It was a minor scrape, but it started to bleed and run down my leg. An L.A. Fitness trainer saw it, ran for the med kit, laid me down on the abs bench and wrapped my leg.

I appreciated his efforts, but it felt a bit over board. I think at some point he literally said, "I'm trained for this."

 

[Rodja]

Explain to me what you've come to understand about deloading, share with the group. I'd be more then willingly to employ it, if it'll help my DL recovery process and how do you employ it? Same reps as previous during the pyramid? What is it are you trying to elicit with the deloading?

I've read the Wendler 5/3/1 and talked to a few competitive PL'ers recently and I've begun to learn that the human body cannot take the constant toll and pounding of really, really heavy lifting. Every 4-6 weeks, have a week of active recovery and mainly focus on power as opposed to strength.

Example (max of 405):

First, subtract 5-10% for your working sets. A true max depends on so many factors and is not attainable everyday.

Next, calculate a routine where you change your rep range for a set period of time (e.g. 5/3/1). After you've completed this, deload with a week of 50-60% for 5 reps with a focus more on power.

It's a tad more complicated, but that's the general idea.

 

[VolcomX311]

I've read the Wendler 5/3/1 and talked to a few competitive PL'ers recently and I've begun to learn that the human body cannot take the constant toll and pounding of really, really heavy lifting. Every 4-6 weeks, have a week of active recovery and mainly focus on power as opposed to strength.

Example (max of 405):

First, subtract 5-10% for your working sets. A true max depends on so many factors and is not attainable everyday.

Next, calculate a routine where you change your rep range for a set period of time (e.g. 5/3/1). After you've completed this, deload with a week of 50-60% for 5 reps with a focus more on power.

It's a tad more complicated, but that's the general idea.

Ah, is this where the practice of speed deads stem from? I understand, I thought you were referring to deloading intra-workout, or more clearly put, pyramiding, then reverse pyramiding the same exercise.

Thanks for explaining.