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Lesnar VS Carwin

to me it looked like brock was bitching out a little bit first round.

you gotta think this dude hasnt fought for 52 weeks, he was prob rusty.

but he hung in ther and showed more versatility this match. brock better get his stand up game better if he wants to win brock v carwin 2.
 
Jake Fires said:
to me it looked like brock was bitching out a little bit first round.

you gotta think this dude hasnt fought for 52 weeks, he was prob rusty.

but he hung in ther and showed more versatility this match. brock better get his stand up game better if he wants to win brock v carwin 2.
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Brock would win a 2nd fight. 52 weeks rust and he still beat him. Get the rust off and he will probably take Carwin down to the mat quickly. Carwin is no match for Lesnar on the mat. Brock is only going to get better. He is obsessed with getting better.
 
pembroke3355 said:
You saw a different fight than I did. Lesnar was clearly blocking punches with his arms and was never out. The last 25 punches hit nothing but Lesnars arms that he placed over his head to protect it. I figured some Carwin lovers would cry this tune. Bottom line is Lesnar won and proved he was the better man.
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Exactly... If those punches were actually connecting at all Lesnar would of been KO'd eventually
 
watch the tape again, lesnar was kissing carwin's fists. dude was looking Chinese.

carwin doesn't have lesnar's cardiovascular endurance with an average fight duration of 1 min 8 sec. dude better start doing more cardio or alot if his fights will end this way. lesnar is a beast man, the bar erupted when he won. was fuggin ridiculous.
 
stullsy said:
Exactly... If those punches were actually connecting at all Lesnar would of been KO'd eventually
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Maybe, maybe not. When you watch slow-motion replays and GIFs, Lesnar stiffens up out of panic, and backs up for that same reason as well - until the knee, the punches were not devastating him. And as I said previously, the only significant strikes Carwin landed on the mat were elbows that came well after the knee that dropped Lesnar.
 
Just saying I've seen many fights get stopped for much less than that and he completely gave up on trying to improve position.

Blocked punches? Yeah, maybe, but he was still just sitting there and taking them all.
 
bla55 said:
Just saying I've seen many fights get stopped for much less than that and he completely gave up on trying to improve position.

Blocked punches? Yeah, maybe, but he was still just sitting there and taking them all.
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So was Ali and look what happened in that fight. Big difference taking all the punches to the face. In this case alot were hitting arms. Plain and simple a rusty Brock beat Carwin. Brock after a few more fights beats Carwin again only this time it will be easier IMO.
 
I guess the nasty cut on his eyes and his swollen face happened due to Carwin's punches hitting his forearms which then hit him in the face.

Again, seen in many occasions fights stopped way before what happened there just due to inability to improve position or lack of effort for doing such. Saying that Brock was doing well on the first round and protected himself is just being 100% bias and ignoring what happened on the fight.

Or I guess it was all a part of his Rocky Balboa fight gameplan huh.
 
Staying active only requires that you show an ability to not be defenseless. Also, the current standard for stoppages are horrible. 90% of the time, fights are stopped too soon and you witnessed a rare case of decent reffing.

If Brock went limp while on his back even for a second, then yes, stop the fight, or if his eyes rolled to the back of his head, then yes, or if he isn't reacting by pushing off with his legs, flailing his arms in defense "attempts," then yes.

I think there were multiple instances where Carwin could have finished it if he landed more punches in a row, one after another, but they were too hit & miss, which is great for damage in general, but hurting someone in of itself doesn't justify a TKO.

I've seen refs stop fights in much less dire circumstances then what Brock was in and I've seen refs let fights go a bit too long, like Carwin/Mir or even Brock/Mir II. Each situation isn't measured to a science, the spectrum of stoppages are all over the place, what seems to make it right or wrong is which side of the fighter you're on. It happens.
 
VolcomX311 said:
Staying active only requires that you show an ability to not be defenseless. Also, the current standard for stoppages are horrible. 90% of the time, fights are stopped too soon and you witnessed a rare case of decent reffing.

If Brock went limp while on his back even for a second, then yes, stop the fight, or if his eyes rolled to the back of his head, then yes, or if he isn't reacting by pushing off with his legs, flailing his arms in defense "attempts," then yes.

I think there were multiple instances where Carwin could have finished it if he landed more punches in a row, one after another, but they were too hit & miss, which is great for damage in general, but hurting someone in of itself doesn't justify a TKO.

I've seen refs stop fights in much less dire circumstances then what Brock was in and I've seen refs let fights go a bit too long, like Carwin/Mir or even Brock/Mir II. Each situation isn't measured to a science, the spectrum of stoppages are all over the place, what seems to make it right or wrong is which side of the fighter you're on. It happens.
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Agreed 100%
 
Referee Josh Rosenthal explains why he didn't stop the Brock Lesnar vs. Shane Carwin

"[Brock] took some hard shots when they were against the fence. He was looking for a way out. He was blocking some punches. At one point he tried to spin to push Shane away and took a couple shots. And then again, went for a deep half guard position and took a couple more shots. When he curled up after that is when I commanded him to fight back, which at that point he did, and then he went for feet on the hips to push Carwin away and was able to get to his knees. He pretty much ran with it. He heard -- he responded to my commands."
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VolcomX311 said:
Staying active only requires that you show an ability to not be defenseless. Also, the current standard for stoppages are horrible. 90% of the time, fights are stopped too soon and you witnessed a rare case of decent reffing.

If Brock went limp while on his back even for a second, then yes, stop the fight, or if his eyes rolled to the back of his head, then yes, or if he isn't reacting by pushing off with his legs, flailing his arms in defense "attempts," then yes.

I think there were multiple instances where Carwin could have finished it if he landed more punches in a row, one after another, but they were too hit & miss, which is great for damage in general, but hurting someone in of itself doesn't justify a TKO.

I've seen refs stop fights in much less dire circumstances then what Brock was in and I've seen refs let fights go a bit too long, like Carwin/Mir or even Brock/Mir II. Each situation isn't measured to a science, the spectrum of stoppages are all over the place, what seems to make it right or wrong is which side of the fighter you're on. It happens.
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I definitely agree with your thoughts here bud. The only thing I have to add on is that after watching the fight a couple more times Carwin definitely had Brock rocked with that uppercut, but to me it seemed like Brock realized that his best move from that point on was to weather the storm and wear Carwin out, which is exactly what he did.

Carwin was toast going into the 2nd round and Brock knew it...honestly it looked like Brock toyed with Carwin once he took him down...I think he could've ended it a lot sooner than he did. Honestly, the only way Carwin stands a chance in rematch is to diversify his arsenal...Brock basically eliminated Carwin's strength by making it a weakness as using all that power wore him out too fast.

As someone else said...it is scary to think that Brock Lesnar is getting better and will only continue to get better. Whether you like the man or not he is a F*cking Freak of nature.

Cheers!:cheers:
 
agreed, Lesnar is a scary talent. Imagine had he started when he was younger. He is set to fight Cain at 121 in October. Tht should be a long night for Cain
 
bla55 said:
I guess the nasty cut on his eyes and his swollen face happened due to Carwin's punches hitting his forearms which then hit him in the face.

Again, seen in many occasions fights stopped way before what happened there just due to inability to improve position or lack of effort for doing such. Saying that Brock was doing well on the first round and protected himself is just being 100% bias and ignoring what happened on the fight.

Or I guess it was all a part of his Rocky Balboa fight gameplan huh.
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No one said ZERO strikes got thru.

No one said Lesnar won the first round, just that he was not out and was well enough to stand up, thow a knee and go for a take down.

Just because some fights were stopped due to poor judgement in the past does not mean good refs should screw up to make Carwin Huggers happy.

This was a title fight and referees are a lot more cautious as they should be and the right judgement was clearly used here.
 
tayf said:
If it was any other fight they would have stopped it first round
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Wrong Lesnar never went out and defended himself. Carwin is a great fighter and he deserves alot of credit but he LOST plain and simple. Lesnar was the better man that night and if they fight again I think Lesnar beats him easier as this was his first fight in a while recovering from a very serious injury. Lesnar is only getting better.
 
The more I rewatch this fight, the more I think Carwin was overconfident and had a super stupid gameplan. He was throwing punches like a lunatic, not looking for openings. Had he timed his punches and looked for actual openings, he would have lasted into round 2. How ever this would have given Lesnar to throw and possibly land some punches as well.
 
Does anyone else think that it wasn't Carwin's cardio that did him in, but rather the massive dump off of adrenaline after rushing to finish the fight? He talked about his legs being frozen and unable to move after the first round, which sounds more like an adrenaline dump than poor cardio.
 
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