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Pink magic price drop-your voices have been heard!

I'm still a little confused as to how that relates to integrity. Perhaps you'd like to explain to me your reasoning instead of providing a one word response? I have a feeling we're defining integrity in different contexts.

I'm not entirely sure how integrity can be misinterpreted, but allow me to explain my reasoning. In a previous post, you stated (outlined in bold):

No matter how disrespectful or belligerent another poster gets, as a company representative I believe it’s your job to act professionally as you are the face of your company; instead of antagonizing and belittling posters who disagree with you (or worse, even insult you) and driving away potential consumers.
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I agree that representatives are, in fact, the faces of a company. Therefore, by questioning the character of a representative, especially Jacob G's nonetheless, you are in essence questioning the integrity of the company.
 
I agree that representatives are, in fact, the faces of a company. And, by questioning the character of a representative, especially Jacob G's nonetheless, you are in essence questioning the integrity of the company.

Putting aside that I already outlined how I viewed integrity in this instance, I'm not sure where you got the premise that I was questioning or attacking his personal integrity. I wasn't. I was simply stating that I found some of the behavior exhibited distasteful. Someone can exhibit distasteful behavior, as I viewed it, and still have integrity. Furthermore I agree that Jacob has integrity simply by the response he had given me.

As taken from dictionary.com

in·teg·ri·ty /ɪnˈtɛgrɪti/ Show Spelled[in-teg-ri-tee] Show IPA
–noun
1. adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.
2. the state of being whole, entire, or undiminished: to preserve the integrity of the empire.
3. a sound, unimpaired, or perfect condition: the integrity of a ship's hull.

As taken from this definition, nowhere in my post have I attacked or implied that Jacob's or USP Labs doesn't adhere to moral or ethical practices personally or in manufacturing.

I reiterate, I find the behavior distasteful. That is all.
 
As taken from dictionary.com

in·teg·ri·ty /ɪnˈtɛgrɪti/ Show Spelled[in-teg-ri-tee] Show IPA
–noun
1. adherence to moral and ethical principles; soundness of moral character; honesty.

Continue to examine the definition of integrity (i.e. morals and ethics)...

Do the terms "antagonizing" or "belittling" not fall within the realm of one's morals (character/conduct) or ethics (principles)?
 
Continue to examine the definition of integrity (i.e. morals and ethics)...

Do the terms "antagonizing" or "belittling" not fall within the realm of one's morals (conduct) or ethics (principles)?

With respect to you, I do not believe we are going to see eye to eye even if we continue to discuss this.
 
this thread is worse than when this happens
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You put your foot in your mouth on that question. Which makes your attacks superficial. It's apparent your motives are just because you are bored not cause you read or researched anything..

And the MOAs listed closely resemble consumer feedback...As conclusive as it gets in our industry!

Can you post the studies to backup your claims?
 
There is a big difference between integrity and customer service. While customer service might be "bad", "rude", or whatever. It is by no means an indicator of the company's Integrity.

I agree with Public Enemy about the turnoff by reps insulting users. it puts amateurish face to the company. I believe USPLabs took note to correct that hopefully by discussing it with the reps.
 
There is a big difference between integrity and customer service. While customer service might be "bad", "rude", or whatever. It is by no means an indicator of the company's Integrity.

I agree with Public Enemy about the turnoff by reps insulting users. it puts amateurish face to the company. I believe USPLabs took note to correct that hopefully by discussing it with the reps.

am member "usplabs" is jacob geissler the ceo of usplabs. you know the member publicenemy said was belittling and anatagonizing members. now theres a big difference between those words and "bad" or "rude"

i dont care what you say questioning the ceo's methods of conduct is absolutely questioning the companies integrity.
 
am member "usplabs" is jacob geissler the ceo of usplabs. you know the member publicenemy said was belittling and anatagonizing members. now theres a big difference between those words and "bad" or "rude"

i dont care what you say questioning the ceo's methods of conduct is absolutely questioning the companies integrity.

A fat woman sued a doctor because he told her she was very fat and should lose weight. She sued him for using the words very fat which she found to be belittling of her. That had nothing to do however of his work integrity, did it? because he was an excellent medical doctor.

Again, there is a big difference between how you talk to customers and company integrity. When you say a company has no integrity you are implying they are cheating the customers, selling under dosed products, selling ripoff products, etc.

If you want to question their integrity based on the products they sell, that is very legit reason. But to say, their customer service sucks equates to the company not having Integrity, I respectfully disagree. CEO or not, it all falls under customer service. The fact that you have the CEO of the company talking to you directly makes me respect the company.

I agree the replies are amateurish and uncalled for. They are most likely out of frustration from the same people going around complaining about the product because they cannot afford it. If that is not the reason, why all the anger over the price? There are plenty of overpriced products out there and you don't see endless threads about the price.

As USP Labs rep or CEO, I would simply reply to the price anger posts with a simple "If you cannot afford it, use another cheaper product such as Creatine or Beta Alanine." That suffice and ends the discussion rather than "belittling" people.
 
A fat woman sued a doctor because he told her she was very fat and should lose weight. She sued him for using the words very fat which she found to be belittling of her. That had nothing to do however of his work integrity, did it? because he was an excellent medical doctor.

Again, there is a big difference between how you talk to customers and company integrity. When you say a company has no integrity you are implying they are cheating the customers, selling under dosed products, selling ripoff products, etc.

If you want to question their integrity based on the products they sell, that is very legit reason. But to say, their customer service sucks equates to the company not having Integrity, I respectfully disagree. CEO or not, it all falls under customer service. The fact that you have the CEO of the company talking to you directly makes me respect the company.

I agree the replies are amateurish and uncalled for. They are most likely out of frustration from the same people going around complaining about the product because they cannot afford it. If that is not the reason, why all the anger over the price? There are plenty of overpriced products out there and you don't see endless threads about the price.

As USP Labs rep or CEO, I would simply reply to the price anger posts with a simple "If you cannot afford it, use another cheaper product such as Creatine or Beta Alanine." That suffice and ends the discussion rather than "belittling" people.

your comprehensive skills are lacking. all you are doing is reiterating your previous posts. actually none of what you just said is at all relevant to the issue of integrity that was previously mentioned.

integrity is reflective of character. the doctor belittling the lady was a issue of his chracter or integrity and not his skill set.
 
this thread is so complicated
 
Well, I guess since you now making personal attacks, I can too say you have no integrity? or does it only apply to USP Labs CEOs?

I am reiterating what I previously said because it was obviously not getting through to you but the definition of Integrity did not change from one post to another. Google Integrity definition.

I'm not here to change your thinking because I honestly don't care as I am sure neither do you. And since it is no longer "grown ups" debate and you are resorting to name calling and personal attacks, I'll let you have the last free cheap shot so you feel better about yourself :) I prefer more mature discussions.
 
some of the ppl here kill me. i have nothing against USP, i have tried a few of their products and didnt get that great of results but im not holding it against them. either way u can NOT compare a natural test booster to a prohormone. if ur money is better spent on them then use prohormones. you may say they are safe but there are side effects even if you cant see them. it is our responsibility as a consumer to decide what is worth purchasing based on educated decisions. if you dont like their add campaign or dont like them for whatever reason then dont buy their products. its that easy.
 
this thread has gone a little like this
 
Yes, sides are still low and recovery is still easy.

In terms of effectiveness how much better is 100 mg ed, cuz 50 of the original was not that impressive, the herbs I mentioned are just as good and in some cases much better.
 
Absolutely correct! That review had no business there. Only authentic users of a product should be able to post a review on it.

that being said, six weeks into the oep alpha t2 stack, and almost done with my first bottle of pm, i have lost LEGIT body fat,( everyone has noticed) and im still hittin prs every day and what, I weighed myself yesterday and im up 4 lbs, hmmmmmmm ? let the haters hate, there will be more for me :) pinkmajic = the buisness!!
 
how do you figure.

steroids dont replace your hormones. your body sense the extra, and slows production of it's own. but it is still producing it's own testosterone. just much lowered levels.

only reason herbal test booster dont cause your body to cease production of its natural hormones, is because they arent strong enough to do so.


obviously herbal test boosters and pharmacologic test boosters are in different leagues.

but the goal is ultimately the same, to increase the anabolic/androgenic levels high enough to lead to desired effects.

with one, you are supplementing with herbs and spices. with another, you are supplementing with synthetic, chemically altered hormones.

coming round circle, we feel the way we feel, and I feel it isn't worth the money.

however, if you gave me a list of the ingredients, and how much of each is in each serving, (none of that proprietary blend bull crap) then i'd be able to research them, and make an intelligent decision on whether it is worth the money or not.

other people obviously feel different. :D

I am not seeing the logic here about hormone replacement. You are saying that there is not ONE case in history where a person's body did not cease to produce testosterone? What about bloodworks that flatline?
Ahhhhh but there are cases!

Let us get on track again!

My only addition to the arguement was that steroid compounds replace not supplement such as dietary supplements.

I was looking at how you used the words "steroid supplements" as if to compare a dietary product to a synthetic hormone.

Why do people start with "but it's not as strong as dbol", really? oh, seriously?

The case may be that it is "better" than xyz steroid due to what side effects a person may try to avoid. Remember, "stronger" compared to "better" is a world of dfference.
 
Can you post the studies to backup your claims?

This is a bit confusing, as the references are featured within the write-up. But, with that being said, I get the impression you would like to have a more specific discussion. Feel free put forward the concepts you feel require further elaboration.
 
Can anyone non affiliated with usp labs give me a legit reason as to why this product is overpiriced?


If you created a soft drink that people were OBSESSED with, they needed that thing like crack and were willing to pay for it, who here would charge $1-$1.50 like most sodas? If people wanted it that bad, you'd all charge $5+ and get the most out of each sale. Why wouldn't you? Thousands upon thousands of people are willing to buy it despite it being more expensive than coke/pepsi/7up
 
I am not seeing the logic here about hormone replacement. You are saying that there is not ONE case in history where a person's body did not cease to produce testosterone? What about bloodworks that flatline?
Ahhhhh but there are cases!

Let us get on track again!

My only addition to the arguement was that steroid compounds replace not supplement such as dietary supplements.

I was looking at how you used the words "steroid supplements" as if to compare a dietary product to a synthetic hormone.

Why do people start with "but it's not as strong as dbol", really? oh, seriously?

The case may be that it is "better" than xyz steroid due to what a side effects a person may try to avoid. Remember, "stronger" compared to "better" is a world of dfference.

Well, I find that comparison particularly silly as it fails to consider the notion of applicability, which is a necessary facet of any attempt at analogizing two disparate concepts.

For example, despite the fact that an apple and a pepperoni pizza provide entirely different nutritional contents, and will therefore exert entirely different physiologic and metabolic effects, I can weigh the benefits and detriments of eating one over the other as they both apply to me: that is, I am willing and able to consume each one equally, and simply need to make the choice as to which food I "want" - which would obviously be a subjective consideration of all the factors pertaining to eating one over the other.

Now, in this classic scenario, the aspect of applicability is totally void for certain users, and the analogy becomes impotent on those grounds alone. If an individual either cannot (due to legal considerations) or will not (due to health and/or safety concerns) use anabolic steroids, than they are a completely ineffective measure for the effectiveness of any other compound, including nutraceuticals.

For what the analogy is worth to those who either cannot or will not consumer anabolic steroids, it may as well be contrasting steroids and water.
 
Can anyone non affiliated with usp labs give me a legit reason as to why this product is overpiriced?


If you created a soft drink that people were OBSESSED with, they needed that thing like crack and were willing to pay for it, who here would charge $1-$1.50 like most sodas? If people wanted it that bad, you'd all charge $5+ and get the most out of each sale. Why wouldn't you? Thousands upon thousands of people are willing to buy it despite it being more expensive than coke/pepsi/7up

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I was defending USP...not putting them down. I think they shouldve charged as much as they could. They built up an intense demand for a product, and should be rewarded as such.
 
A steroid not yet banned but sold without FDA regulation would still be considered a supplement. At least by technicality. Furthermore, a supplement is anything extra you are deciding to supplement your normal processes and diet with.

Guess I'll be supplementing my diet with some turinabol lv hehe. Bang for the buck.

A steroid is a steroid and a dietary supplement is just that.

Let us please stop with the false "technicality" speeches.
 
I was defending USP...not putting them down. I think they shouldve charged as much as they could. They built up an intense demand for a product, and should be rewarded as such.

Dude I am sorry, I posted that during my morning commute when I was hazy. I thought you were calling it overpriced, but at a re-read, I want to apologize. Reps for understanding.
 
Dude I am sorry, I posted that during my morning commute when I was hazy. I thought you were calling it overpriced, but at a re-read, I want to apologize. Reps for understanding.

no worries.


it is not my plan nor intention to "call out" or negatively speak on a single company here on AM. Each company offers unique products that have their own merit. USP Labs, i-Force, LG sciences, EST(etc) are all here for the same reason...I have no desire to hurt or even attempt to hurt the sales of any competing brands.
 
no worries.


it is not my plan nor intention to "call out" or negatively speak on a single company here on AM. Each company offers unique products that have their own merit. USP Labs, i-Force, LG sciences, EST(etc) are all here for the same reason...I have no desire to hurt or even attempt to hurt the sales of any competing brands.

You really need to put up a legit avi picture lol..
 
that being said, six weeks into the oep alpha t2 stack, and almost done with my first bottle of pm, i have lost LEGIT body fat,( everyone has noticed) and im still hittin prs every day and what, I weighed myself yesterday and im up 4 lbs, hmmmmmmm ? let the haters hate, there will be more for me :) pinkmajic = the buisness!!
Are you attributing the BF loss to PM? I certainly hope not, seeing how you have been taking OEP and A-T2 for 6 weeks. Now, before you run off at the mouth and call me a hater, I am making this statement for the sole purpose of making it very clear that you cannot say PM is doing anything in regards to fat-loss while taking TWO powerful fat-loss agents (together).

But besides that, kudos on dropping the BF! :thumbsup:
 
Are you attributing the BF loss to PM? I certainly hope not, seeing how you have been taking OEP and A-T2 for 6 weeks. Now, before you run off at the mouth and call me a hater, I am making this statement for the sole purpose of making it very clear that you cannot say PM is doing anything in regards to fat-loss while taking TWO powerful fat-loss agents (together).

But besides that, kudos on dropping the BF! :thumbsup:

this guy speaks the truth.
 
Are you attributing the BF loss to PM? I certainly hope not, seeing how you have been taking OEP and A-T2 for 6 weeks. Now, before you run off at the mouth and call me a hater, I am making this statement for the sole purpose of making it very clear that you cannot say PM is doing anything in regards to fat-loss while taking TWO powerful fat-loss agents (together).

But besides that, kudos on dropping the BF! :thumbsup:

Pink Magic leads to fat loss and does it very well. For me Pink Magic is the best fat loss stack that I have ever used. OxyElite to potent for me that it effects my sleep and sleep is very important to my life..

Why does PInk Magic aid in fat loss by it's effect on cAMP.

Nelumbo nucifera (stem and leaves) and Rhamnus nakaharai (stem)

These plants have a wide range of potentially exciting properties...

Certain compounds present in these plants have been shown in animal vitro to inhibit various subtypes of phosphodiesterase, an enzyme (technically, a class of enzymes) which degrades cAMP (cyclic adenosine monophostphae) and cGMP (cyclic guanosine monophosphate), cyclic nucleotide molecules which serve important roles in the human body (2).

By inhibiting these different subtypes of phosphodiesterase, cAMP and cGMP levels can be increased in different tissues...

First, by inhibiting the cAMP-phosphodiesterase in skeletal muscle, it is thought that an anti-catabolic effect can be seen by suppressing calcium and ATP-dependent proteolysis as shown in various animal studies (3-10).

By increasing intracellular cAMP in skeletal muscle and the consequential decrease in calcium and ATP-dependent proteolysis, a net positive protein balance may occur in muscle...
This is a rarely-exploited natural anti-catabolic/anabolic pathway...and a VERY exciting one to say the least...and we aren't even close to being done...

Potentialy Ripped Too?

Furthermore, by increasing cAMP in fat cells, lipolysis (fat breakdown) may also increase...
In fact, animal model studies and traditional Asian medicine have noted this exact thing, demonstrating increased lipolysis and anti-obesity properties (11-13).

That's Not All Folks – More MOA's

Amino & Glucose Transport

In addition to these effects, by inhibiting other subtypes of phosphodiesterase a vasodilatory effect can occur, allowing for increased amino acid and glucose transport to skeletal muscle, as demonstrated in various animal & human studies & review papers (2,14-17).

Pumped To The Gills While Cutting?

In addition, this vasodilatory effect can potentially lead to greater "pumps" and the feeling of fuller muscles, while also potentially increasing lipolysis (2,18).

Keeps Going Like That Bunny

Unlike various nitric oxide (NO) products which can lose their effectiveness over time, these compounds won’t follow in their footsteps.

Synergystic with Nitric Oxide Products?

In fact, as demonstrated in animal models, these compounds may prevent N.O. products from losing their effectiveness in the first place (19-23).

Additionally, these compounds may even increase or potentiate the effects of nitric oxide products(24).

How so, you ask?

Well, to answer that, we must look at how the beloved nitric oxide (N.O.) molecule allows for vasodilation and the subsequent benefits...

N.O. is involved in the NO/guanylyl (guanylate) cyclase/cyclic GMP-dependent cascade...

In effect, it is thought that the N.O. molecule works by binding to and activating soluble guanylyl (guanylate) cyclase, which in turn catalyzes the formation of cGMP from guanosine triphosphate (GTP).

Once the previously mentioned second messenger, cGMP accumulates intracellularly in the given cell/tissue type (in this case smooth muscle), activation of cGMP-dependent protein kinase (protein kinase G or PKG) occurs and eventually leads to vasodilation, in this particular case.

So, again, how might these ingredients prevent N.O. products from losing their effectiveness and possibly even potentiate their effects?

Well, it appears that one mechanism behind the reduction of N.O.'s effectiveness is an increase in the activity of cGMP-phosphodiesterase, which as we discussed earlier, is responsible for degrading cGMP...

Since the body can't stop you from ingesting compounds designed to increase N.O., it does the next best thing by increasing the expression of enzymes designed to reduce the downstream effectiveness of N.O....

In effect, it decreases levels of cGMP and thus reduces the level of vasodilation and other potential benefits...

However, since these compounds have demonstrated the ability to inhibit cGMP phosphodiesterase, this can not only work to prevent the decline ineffectiveness of N.O. products, it may even potentiate the effects of them through the same mechanism...

You'll have that N.O. product working to increase cGMP levels, while the key ingredients in Pink Magic prevent the degradation of cGMP, allowing you to maintain and even increase the beneficial effects seen with NO products!

Yet, unlike most N.O. products, these compounds won't succumb to decreased effectiveness through decreased cGMP levels.

Endurance

If this weren't enough, one may also notice an increase in resistance to fatigue as a result of direct effect upon skeletal muscle (i.e., cAMP accumulation in both type I [slow-twitch] and type II [fast-twitch] can result in a resistance or decrease of fatigue) and the diaphragm; furthermore, by increasing cGMP accumulation in other cell types, one can potentially increase blood flow and the contractility of the heart, also resulting in greater resistance to fatigue as demonstrated in specific animal studies (14,25).

Strong Like Bull

As if all that wasn't enough, as shown in animal models by inhibiting one of the phosphodiesterase subtypes, the contractility of skeletal muscles is increased. It is thought that this is accomplished by increasing the release of acetylcholine at the neuromuscular junction while also sensitizing it to acetylcholine. (26)
 
Can anyone non affiliated with usp labs give me a legit reason as to why this product is overpiriced?


Because, just 1 month ago on first release it was selling for $90. 2 weeks later it was selling for $70, today it's on sale for $53.

The explanation given for it's high introductory price is "low profit margins!", "limited availablitly of seaonal herbs!" and "extraction process!" plus "the results!" all added up to $90 a bottle.

So, how are companies able to sell PM for $53 now? Are they selling at a loss? Is PM the new loss leader for NP now? How was the introductory price of $90 decided upon? Because profit margins are slim, right? Then how can anyone afford to sell it at $53? Is Nutraplanet price gouging along with GNC now??

When a new product drops in price by 40% within a month. Especially when it's already pretty expensive by supplement standards. Something smells fishy.


And just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
 
Suddenly raw material pricess dropped to allow a change in price from $90 to $70 to $53 in the last month???

Do I have to explain this again...

GNC was selling at full MSRP at 89.99. We all know that GNC full MSRP is not industry pricing.

Once the product was into full distribution, the internet price battles begin.

If you knew anything about retail pricing, you know pricing is developed months before the product is released and sold to our distributors...

We can't control what retailers sell for...that is called price fixing..
 
Do I have to explain this again...

GNC was selling at full MSRP at 89.99. We all know that GNC full MSRP is not industry pricing.

Once the product was into full distribution, the internet price battles begin.

If you knew anything about retail pricing, you know pricing is developed months before the product is released and sold to our distributors...

We can't control what retailers sell for...that is called price fixing..


So where did you get the MSRP of $90? You're obviously not selling it for what it was originally priced for any longer. Can you not chang ethe MSRP??

MSRP is - Manufacturers(USPLabs) Suggested Retail Price. If you can sell it to distrobutors for cheaper now than you could months before. Why not drop the MSRP? GNC will not sell above MSRP unless they don't want to sell the product at all.


Honest question, not quite sure how it all works. Obviously.
 
So where did you get the MSRP of $90? You're obviously not selling it for what it was originally priced for any longer. Can you not chang ethe MSRP??

MSRP is - Manufacturers(USPLabs) Suggested Retail Price. If you can sell it to distrobutors for cheaper now than you could months before. Why not drop the MSRP? GNC will not sell above MSRP unless they don't want to sell the product at all.

Nothing is changed dude. MSRP is set from the get go. Everyones MSRP is 89.99.

You are entering into a discussion that your ignorant about....
 
Nothing is changed dude. MSRP is set from the get go. Everyones MSRP is 89.99.

You are entering into a discussion that your ignorant about....

:grumpy: I'm entering a disucssion I'm curious about.

Help me understand why, if nothing has changed with your process and prices charged to your distributors. Why Nutraplanet charged me $90 just a month ago and is now able to sell to me for $53? Is my focused frustration being taken out on the wrong company? Should I be pissed with NP for marking a product up by 40%??

I'm trying to get a grasp on this. You can call me ignorant or you can be productive and help me understand. I'd prefer the later :bigok:
 
:grumpy: I'm entering a disucssion I'm curious about.

Help me understand why, if nothing has changed with your process and prices charged to your distributors. Why Nutraplanet charged me $90 just a month ago and is now able to sell to me for $53? Is my focused frustration being taken out on the wrong company? Should I be pissed with NP for marking a product up by 40%??

I'm trying to get a grasp on this. You can call me ignorant or you can be productive and help me understand. I'd prefer the later :bigok:

I simply think you are curious, so, I will attempt to explain in a way that is satisfactory for inquiring minds! To do so, let me delay the issue a bit with an analogy - the price of petroleum fuels, to be exact.

Without much hesitation, we could all agree that petroleum fuel prices fluctuate on an intra-daily basis, seldom remaining stagnant for any appreciable amount of time. This fluctuation owes itself to many factors, including the ratio of real to speculated output, the discovery of new reserves and/or alterations in the speculated amount in known reserves from the largest oil-exporting nations, alterations to federal oil and petroleum policies, inter-capitalist competition, and of course, the classic dynamic of supply and demand. All these factors combine to create a commodity - a barrel of crude, to be exact - with a relatively volatile price cycle.

Now, there is an all-important common element to all these extenuating factors: namely, that they are by and large unrelated to the process of extracting and refining the barrel of crude oil whose price their operations interminably affect. They are, in other words, speculative or "imaginary" factors that are largely unrelated to the production costs of the very commodity that is being purchased! And so, while the cost of a gallon of oil may very well fluctuate by .09 from today to tomorrow, that fluctuation is by all accounts unrelated to a) the total cost of producing that gallon of oil and b) the price initially paid for that gallon of oil by the reseller.

This is not "fishy," but simply a consequence of end-costs no longer being directly associated with, and/or embodied within, the production costs of a single commodity. Both the cost of producing Pink Magic, as well as the price point suggested by USPlabs, have not altered within this short time-frame. And, even if that was the case, I can assure you that most retailers would not have altered their retail prices and sacrificed a larger margin in such short order. Quite the opposite, the end-point price for most consumer commodities, in the short term at least, are more directly altered by both demand and inter-firm competition than they are production costs.

As for the MSRP - and this holds true for all firms outside USPlabs - it is set in such a way that all parties involved in the production, distribution and exchange of a particular commodity can recuperate their costs. Large retail outlets such as GNC, for example, embed more costs in the simple operation of their business than does, say, Nutraplanet, and they render their end-point costs far closer to MSRP as a result. Moreover, these large retailers, due in a very precise way to the very fact of being large retailers, face less pressure from competitors to stray away from this MSRP and consequently lessen their margins. Nutraplanet, for better or worse, is not in such a position, and along with their internet competitors, often times stray noticeably away from MSRP in a bid for the consumer's business. This is a rather pedestrian scenario in the sale of consumer commodities.

Again, what is common in this scenario is that a) the total cost of producing that unit of Pink Magic and b) the price initially paid for that unit of Pink Magic by the reseller did not alter in this short time period - and nor is the price-point some large conspiratorial gesture by either USPlabs or the individual resellers.

In closing, you also seem curious/skeptical about the production of the ingredients in Pink Magic, so I will address that briefly as well. In simple terms, the seasonality of the ingredients in Pink Magic is non-questionable. Nelumbo nucifera (Indian Lotus), for example, is an aquatic perennial with a minimal growing season, and as USPlabs prefers not to outsource raw materials for its products, the production of Pink Magic is inhibited by the seasonality of this ingredient. This is certainly not some marketing ploy, but an unfortunate fact of production.

Hopefully this answers your questions in a satisfactory way.
 
:grumpy: I'm entering a disucssion I'm curious about.

Help me understand why, if nothing has changed with your process and prices charged to your distributors. Why Nutraplanet charged me $90 just a month ago and is now able to sell to me for $53? Is my focused frustration being taken out on the wrong company? Should I be pissed with NP for marking a product up by 40%??

I'm trying to get a grasp on this. You can call me ignorant or you can be productive and help me understand. I'd prefer the later :bigok:

You language has been accusatory this entire thread.

Do you scream at your waiter when ordering food and expect a clean plate in return?
 
Thanks for the reply Mullet. +reps

Now, as far as oil. Much of the price is based purely on speculation. That is why it's so "volitile" and can jump or drop, regardless of production costs. I understand that. That is how THAT market is driven.

Now, with supplements I'm not so sure this is the case. There is no speculators driving the price of Whey, BCAA, Creatine up and down based on what the consumers needs are going to be in the future. Or what the supply is speculated to be needed for a certain amount of time. For example, a year ago when DTH was sold out do to the reformulation. Yet the cost stayed level, regardless of the high demand/low supply. I'm not so sure that oil/petrol analogy applies here?


But otherwise, I now understand the MSRP and your need as a company. To allow enough room for all the middle men to get "theirs" in order for your product to be picked up and sold by them. Also why some may sell for cheaper than others. However, there does seem to be a fairly generous difference between production costs and MSRP on this product compaired to others. No? Or maybe not... Hence, why I was able to buy t911 for $20 from a seller while another is still selling it for $30. A 33% difference.


I guess such a large price fluctation raised my curiosity. Although from the sounds of it, NP could have just kept the price lower to begin with, with fewer feeders in their supply chain(apparently).
 
You language has been accusatory this entire thread.

Do you scream at your waiter when ordering food and expect a clean plate in return?

Well, you could bring me a plate full of **** and defend your business while I walk away with money in hand. Or you could try to understand why I feel the way I do and do your best to correct it and get me to buy a plate.

But I guess the cost:value of that may not be justified to you, based on a variety of factors. Who would want to go on for hours with an internet a-hole only to sell a bottle of PM? I don't know if I would either :) Similar to why I may not buy a $90 supplement based on my percieved cost:value.
 
Well, you could bring me a plate full of **** and defend your business while I walk away with money in hand. Or you could try to understand why I feel the way I do and do your best to correct it and get me to buy a plate.

But I guess the cost:value of that may not be justified to you, based on a variety of factors. Who would want to go on for hours with an internet a-hole only to sell a bottle of PM? I don't know if I would either :) Similar to why I may not buy a $90 supplement based on my percieved cost:value.

stick with DTH....
 
Thanks for the reply Mullet. +reps

Now, as far as oil. Much of the price is based purely on speculation. That is why it's so "volitile" and can jump or drop, regardless of production costs. I understand that. That is how THAT market is driven.

Now, with supplements I'm not so sure this is the case. There is no speculators driving the price of Whey, BCAA, Creatine up and down based on what the consumers needs are going to be in the future. Or what the supply is speculated to be needed for a certain amount of time. For example, a year ago when DTH was sold out do to the reformulation. Yet the cost stayed level, regardless of the high demand/low supply. I'm not so sure that oil/petrol analogy applies here?

I think your interpretation may have missed the intended takeaway from my argument, which was probably a consequence of my analogy. To be more direct, the point was this: fluctuations in end-point price are not directly related to production costs, and this holds true for all industries. This is what I mean to communicate in saying:

what is common in this scenario is that a) the total cost of producing that unit of Pink Magic and b) the price initially paid for that unit of Pink Magic by the reseller did not alter in this short time period - and nor is the price-point some large conspiratorial gesture by either USPlabs or the individual resellers.

You are certainly correct that petroleum fuel costs are embedded in various speculative financial schema, but the point was not to draw attention to those specific variables. Rather, the point was simply to draw attention to the fact that variables unrelated to the production of a commodity, in general, affect that commodities price. This was in response to what appeared to be your primary concern, detailed below:

Help me understand why, if nothing has changed with your process and prices charged to your distributors. Why Nutraplanet charged me $90 just a month ago and is now able to sell to me for $53?

On to this:

However, there does seem to be a fairly generous difference between production costs and MSRP on this product compaired to others. No? Or maybe not... Hence, why I was able to buy t911 for $20 from a seller while another is still selling it for $30. A 33% difference.

I think the two comments above, in the second quote, are somewhat unrelated as the 33% difference is, again, more than likely unrelated to the MSRP as such. At any rate, MSRPs and the margins made thereon are dependent upon business model and practice: not all companies share similar business models, and so the relationship MSRP and production costs share varies from industry to industry, business to business, and so on. As a result, stating that one MSRP is more or less generous than another has little objective value from my perspective.
 
I think your interpretation may have missed the intended takeaway from my argument, which was probably a consequence of my analogy. To be more direct, the point was this: fluctuations in end-point price are not directly related to production costs, and this holds true for all industries. This is what I mean to communicate in saying:



You are certainly correct that petroleum fuel costs are embedded in various speculative financial schema, but the point was not to draw attention to those specific variables. Rather, the point was simply to draw attention to the fact that variables unrelated to the production of a commodity, in general, affect that commodities price. This was in response to what appeared to be your primary concern, detailed below:





I think the two comments above are somewhat unrelated, as the 33% difference is, again, more than likely unrelated to the MSRP as such. At any rate, MSRPs and the margins made thereon are dependent upon business model and practice: not all companies share similar business models, and so the relationship MSRP and production costs share varies from industry to industry, business to business, and so on. As a result, stating that one MSRP is more or less generous than another has little objective value from my perspective.

that C in my veins at 20 fold has me a bit edgy but happy....
 
Pink Magic leads to fat loss [...]

As if all that wasn't enough, as shown in animal models by inhibiting one of the phosphodiesterase subtypes, the contractility of skeletal muscles is increased. It is thought that this is accomplished by increasing the release of acetylcholine at the neuromuscular junction while also sensitizing it to acetylcholine. (26)

Once again, Jacob, you did not read my post. I do not give two flying balls of expensive monkey extract about the write-up (I've read it before buying PM). I want the OP that is attributing his weight-loss to PM, RATHER than OEP AND A-T2, that he has been running for 6 weeks, to tell me how he can even say PM is doing anything. Please do not copy/paste a response FOR him; no, rather, let HIM answer.
 
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