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Pink magic price drop-your voices have been heard!

rochabp said:
of course he is...its part of his strategy
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lol, i will let that slide-since you are a 'new' member here. strategic has been very helpful to me and many others on a wide range of topics.

don't hate on strategic because of pink magic's pricey tag. :bigok:
 
thebigt said:
lol, i will let that slide-since you are a 'new' member here. strategic has been very helpful to me and many others on a wide range of topics.

don't hate on strategic because of pink magic's pricey tag. :bigok:
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im not new :grumpy:
and im not hating on strategic move he is cool :sombrero:
 
As these "Pink Magic is too expensive for me" threads continue to thrive, the only anecdotal information I have gathered from them is: the only people that have anything remotely negative to say about Pink Magic (whether it be the price, ingredient profile, etc. etc.), are the ones that have not personally experienced it at first-hand.

As far as I'm concerned, if you haven't actually used the said product, politely shut the **** up. :biggthumpup:
 
It's not too expensive for me. It's too expensive for what it is(whatever it is). Then of course the whole $40 price drop on "kitty hair profit margins" "price is high cause cost to produce is high" "herb is rare" all seems a little sketchy. So suddenly it's being sold at a loss I guess?? But hey, nothing to see here, move along...
 
Dizmal said:
It's not too expensive for me. It's too expensive for what it is(whatever it is). Then of course the whole $40 price drop on "kitty hair profit margins" "price is high cause cost to produce is high" "herb is rare" all seems a little sketchy. So suddenly it's being sold at a loss I guess?? But hey, nothing to see here, move along...
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Your opinion is based solely on speculation. I mean, if you really don't know what it is, what makes it "too expensive?" Better yet, why exasperate the situation even further by commenting on a product you probably never intend on purchasing?
 
hoopem6 said:
Your opinion is based solely on speculation. I mean, if you really don't know what it is, what makes it "too expensive?"...
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Classic! :thumbsup:
 
hoopem6 said:
Your opinion is based solely on speculation. I mean, if you really don't know what it is, what makes it "too expensive?" Better yet, why exasperate the situation even further by commenting on a product you probably never intend on purchasing?
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I know what it "is" based on what it's classified as. A test booster. I also know what other products are in this "class" and what price they go for. Also, what results they produce.

If the price is right I buy anything. For instance I never planned on buying t911 before today. But being that I found an awesome deal and the reviews on it are good. I picked up two bottles.

I could have picked up 3 bottles of t911 for just a hair over the price of 1 P.M. bottle at it's sale price. Something that, you know. "I'll never intending on buying".

Gimme a break that I can't base my opinion on these factors.
 
Dizmal said:
I know what it "is" based on what it's classified as. A test booster. I also know what other products are in this "class" and what price they go for. Also, what results they produce.

If the price is right I buy anything. For instance I never planned on buying t911 before today. But being that I found an awesome deal and the reviews on it are good. I picked up two bottles.

I could have picked up 3 bottles of t911 for just a hair over the price of 1 P.M. bottle at it's sale price. Something that, you know. "I'll never intending on buying".

Gimme a break that I can't base my opinion on these factors.
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Since when is Pink Magic being heralded as just another test booster? I think the countless user logs speak for themselves, and put it in a "class" of its own.

Also, if reviews are detrimental to your purchasing decision, I've yet to find any natural supplement as highly rated as Pink Magic.

I fully understand your logic in choosing T-911 (especially at that price). But, did you question T-911's effectiveness/integrity before purchasing it?

Regardless, all I'm saying is wild speculation is completely unnecessary... It only formulates skewed perceptions, and inhibits intellectual discourse.
 
jbryand101b said:
really man, you are a rep for the company. I dont want to come off like an ass for a product no consumer knows anything about d/t the "secret" ingredients.

but, do they just make anybody a rep for companies?

Adj. 1. pharmacologic - of or relating to pharmacology

phar·ma·col·o·gy (färm-kl-j)
n.
1. The science of drugs, including their composition, uses, and effects.
2. The characteristics or properties of a drug, especially those that make it medically effective.

pharma·co·logic (-k-ljk), pharma·co·logi·cal (--kl) adj.
pharma·co·logi·cal·ly adv.
pharma·colo·gist n.
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Pharmacology (from Greek φάρμακον, pharmakon, "drug"; and -λογία, -logia) is the study of drug action.[1] More specifically, it is the study of the interactions that occur between a living organism and chemicals that affect normal or abnormal biochemical function. If substances have medicinal properties, they are considered pharmaceuticals. The field encompasses drug composition and properties, interactions, toxicology, therapy, and medical applications and antipathogenic capabilities. The two main areas of pharmacology are Pharmacodynamics and Pharmacokinetics. The former studies the effects of the drugs on biological systems, and the latter the effects of biological systems on the drugs. In broad terms, Pharmacodynamics discusses the interactions of chemicals with biological Receptors, and Pharmacokinetics discusses the absorption, distribution, metabolism, and excretion of chemicals from the biological systems. Pharmacology is not synonymous with pharmacy, which is the name used for a profession, though in common usage the two terms are confused at times. Pharmacology deals with how drugs interact within biological systems to affect function. It is the study of drugs, of the reactions of the body and drug on each other, the sources of drugs, their nature, and their properties. In contrast, pharmacy is a biomedical science concerned with preparation, dispensing, dosage, and the safe and effective use of medicines.

Dioscorides' De Materia Medica is often said to be the oldest and most valuable work in the history of pharmacology.[2] The origins of clinical pharmacology date back to the Middle Ages in Avicenna's The Canon of Medicine, Peter of Spain's Commentary on Isaac, and John of St Amand's Commentary on the Antedotary of Nicholas.[3] Clinical pharmacology owes much of its foundation to the work of William Withering.[4] Pharmacology as a scientific discipline did not further advance until the mid-19th century amid the great biomedical resurgence of that period.[5] Before the second half of the nineteenth century, the remarkable potency and specificity of the actions of drugs such as morphine, quinine and digitalis were explained vaguely and with reference to extraordinary chemical powers and affinities to certain organs or tissues.[6] The first pharmacology department was set up by Buchheim in 1847, in recognition of the need to understand how therapeutic drugs and poisons produced their effects.[5]

Early pharmacologists focused on natural substances, mainly plant extracts. Pharmacology developed in the 19th century as a biomedical science that applied the principles of scientific experimentation to therapeutic contexts.[7]


lets just say, okay jb, you are right, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. and call it a day.

obviously no one can say this product is crap. as no one knows whats in it except usp labs.

but you guys really do deserve the anamosity. you charge high prices in a time like this, and dont have the respectability to give consumers the ability to research the ingredients and make an informed decision.

(usp labs) :deal: "buy pink magic, it's amazing, trust us"

(usp labs view of the customer) :32: "duh, okay, looks awsome"
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One of the funniest post I've read in a long time.

You questioning strategic is like a ballerina telling Mike Tyson he punches wrong..

You should request a self inflicted banning out of embarrassment...

Surprise Strategic gave you the courtesy of a response....
 
when using a synthetic chemically altered anabolic hormone. and take that, you are boosting your testosterone.

albeit by a different means than what an herbal testosterone booster does.

I can use pharmacologic test booster, chemically altered hormones, anabolic/androgenic steroids, chemical testosterone booster, w/e there are many ways to say it.

the ultimate goal between the two is the same. one you are directly increasing you anabolic/androgenic hormones to supraphysiological levels, the other you are indirectly increasing anabolic/androgenic hormones through various methods, but at very low levels to only have a minimal effect.

infact such a minimal effect, hpta function is not disrupted, or disrupted only slightly by the product.
 
jbryand101b said:
when using a synthetic chemically altered anabolic hormone. and take that, you are boosting your testosterone.

albeit by a different means than what an herbal testosterone booster does.

I can use pharmacologic test booster, chemically altered hormones, anabolic/androgenic steroids, chemical testosterone booster, w/e there are many ways to say it.

the ultimate goal between the two is the same. one you are directly increasing you anabolic/androgenic hormones to supraphysiological levels, the other you are indirectly increasing anabolic/androgenic hormones through various methods, but at very low levels to only have a minimal effect.

infact such a minimal effect, hpta function is not disrupted, or disrupted only slightly by the product.
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This was already ridiculous before, but now it is getting embarrassing. Again, there is no such thing in pharmacology, endocrinology, or in any other relevant technical discipline, as a "pharmacologic test booster". The more you struggle to give it legitimacy, the more your credibility suffers.

My last post on this.
 
hoopem6 said:
Since when is Pink Magic being heralded as just another test booster? I think the countless user logs speak for themselves, and put it in a "class" of its own.

Also, if reviews are detrimental to your purchasing decision, I've yet to find any natural supplement as highly rated as Pink Magic.

I fully understand your logic in choosing T-911 (especially at that price). But, did you question T-911's effectiveness/integrity before purchasing it?

Regardless, all I'm saying is wild speculation is completely unnecessary... It only formulates skewed perceptions, and inhibits intellectual discourse.
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Oh k'mon, PM is MORE than just a test booster? Then what is it?? All we have to do is look back to Prime. That was marketed as a herbal "PH" at first. Now, who know what is is? Another "test booster"? I remember the MoA wasn't even known. It just "worked", for most people... That's also fine for most people, it was fine for me at the time. But now, for me I need something more, other than; "it's just better because it is, trust me, the salesman".

As for T911. No, I never questioned it because it was never on my map. I just happened to see it for a killer price. Came here and did my search for reviews. Found nothing highly negative(probably because it was never outrageously priced and/or outrageously marketed) just a solid product that spoke for itself and decided to pull the trigger.

Just wait, in a year or two there will be another "break through" product that will sell for $120 a bottle from USP. There will be stacks to take Pink Magic with because suddenly, a $70 herbal supplement won't be strong enough to take on it's own(ie, Prime: as strong as PHs! Remember the claims? I don't see others stacking PHs?), then once sales somewhat level off a protocol will be introduced to spark excitement again and the cycle will start all over.

I understand the need to be an early adopter. Try out the latest and greatest no matter what the cost. It makes training fun and exciting again for some. It was fun to do so at one point for me too. I'm just no longer willing to do so I suppose? But that's why this forum is here. Too debate and discuss these things. Not sweep our opinions under a rug. K'mon! There is room for everyone's opinion. Whether you agree with me or not.

All I know is this seems to feed a cycle for more "bigger and better" ie more expensive "wonder" herbal supplements and certain people will feed and support this business model. I'd just hate to see the market become saturated with overpriced, overrated supplements and it being justified because certain people believe they need it. Herbals marketed as "as good as PHs" but none ever truly compare. It's going to be a sad day. Actually, it already is... :shocked1:
 
^^^ i agree with this man. +rep
 
Dizmal said:
Oh k'mon, PM is MORE than just a test booster? Then what is it?? All we have to do is look back to Prime. That was marketed as a herbal "PH" at first. Now, who know what is is? Another "test booster"? I remember the MoA wasn't even known. It just "worked", for most people... That's also fine for most people, it was fine for me at the time. But now, for me I need something more, other than; "it's just better because it is, trust me, the salesman".

As for T911. No, I never questioned it because it was never on my map. I just happened to see it for a killer price. Came here and did my search for reviews. Found nothing highly negative(probably because it was never outrageously priced and/or outrageously marketed) just a solid product that spoke for itself and decided to pull the trigger.

Just wait, in a year or two there will be another "break through" product that will sell for $120 a bottle from USP. There will be stacks to take Pink Magic with because suddenly, a $70 herbal supplement won't be strong enough to take on it's own(ie, Prime: as strong as PHs! Remember the claims? I don't see others stacking PHs?), then once sales somewhat level off a protocol will be introduced to spark excitement again and the cycle will start all over.

I understand the need to be an early adopter. Try out the latest and greatest no matter what the cost. It makes training fun and exciting again for some. It was fun to do so at one point for me too. I'm just no longer willing to do so I suppose? But that's why this forum is here. Too debate and discuss these things. Not sweep our opinions under a rug. K'mon! There is room for everyone's opinion. Whether you agree with me or not.

All I know is this seems to feed a cycle for more "bigger and better" ie more expensive "wonder" herbal supplements and certain people will feed and support this business model. I'd just hate to see the market become saturated with overpriced, overrated supplements and it being justified because certain people believe they need it. Herbals marketed as "as good as PHs" but none ever truly compare. It's going to be a sad day. Actually, it already is... :shocked1:
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Great post bro. Agreed 100%
 
Dizmal said:
Oh k'mon, PM is MORE than just a test booster? Then what is it?? All we have to do is look back to Prime. That was marketed as a herbal "PH" at first. Now, who know what is is? Another "test booster"? I remember the MoA wasn't even known. It just "worked", for most people... That's also fine for most people, it was fine for me at the time. But now, for me I need something more, other than; "it's just better because it is, trust me, the salesman".

As for T911. No, I never questioned it because it was never on my map. I just happened to see it for a killer price. Came here and did my search for reviews. Found nothing highly negative(probably because it was never outrageously priced and/or outrageously marketed) just a solid product that spoke for itself and decided to pull the trigger.

Just wait, in a year or two there will be another "break through" product that will sell for $120 a bottle from USP. There will be stacks to take Pink Magic with because suddenly, a $70 herbal supplement won't be strong enough to take on it's own(ie, Prime: as strong as PHs! Remember the claims? I don't see others stacking PHs?), then once sales somewhat level off a protocol will be introduced to spark excitement again and the cycle will start all over.

I understand the need to be an early adopter. Try out the latest and greatest no matter what the cost. It makes training fun and exciting again for some. It was fun to do so at one point for me too. I'm just no longer willing to do so I suppose? But that's why this forum is here. Too debate and discuss these things. Not sweep our opinions under a rug. K'mon! There is room for everyone's opinion. Whether you agree with me or not.

All I know is this seems to feed a cycle for more "bigger and better" ie more expensive "wonder" herbal supplements and certain people will feed and support this business model. I'd just hate to see the market become saturated with overpriced, overrated supplements and it being justified because certain people believe they need it. Herbals marketed as "as good as PHs" but none ever truly compare. It's going to be a sad day. Actually, it already is... :shocked1:
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It's funny because earlier you mentioned that "It's not too expensive for me." Yet all you have done up to this point is complain about Pink Magic's price tag...

With the exception of the IC release, which was available to everyone, I have personally seen trusted online retailers sell Pink Magic for $53-$55 (including NutraPlanet's price of $53.95 sale price) a bottle. What's even more ironic is, the product you inadvertently recommend purchasing in its stead, DTH retails for nearly $50 a bottle. I mean, after shipping, you are talking about a minuscule price difference.

Also, it's never been about "conforming to the craze". It's entirely about being able to personally experience a well-reviewed, highly-regarded, supplement that has plenty of firsthand user experiences to back up its claims. If you do not agree with this statement, then please refer me to a negative Pink Magic user log/review...

Lastly, yes, everyone's opinion is welcome... But, there is a severe difference between making factual statements based on logic/reasoning, and making irrational comments based on hearsay.
 
hoopem6 said:
Lastly, yes, everyone's opinion is welcome... But, there is a severe difference between making factual statements based on logic/reasoning, and making irrational comments based on hearsay.
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You're right. Let's talk logic and facts instead of hearsay.

What's Pink Magic's MOA?
 
Ubiyca said:
You're right. Let's talk logic and facts instead of hearsay.

What's Pink Magic's MOA?
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"A potent testosterone stimulating, anti-catabolic, and natural anabolic based product containing 3 herbal ingredients; Nelumbo nucifera, Rhamnus nakaharai and Massularia acuminata."

However, I'm sure strategicmove could further expand upon the previous statement.

USPlabs Pink Magic Breakdown

Pink Magic contains just a few key ingredients done right, not the kitchen-sink approach or sprinkled prairie-dust to try and make the formula look better...

USPlabs Pink Magic ingredients:

Nelumbo nucifera (stem and leaves) and Rhamnus nakaharai (stem)

These plants have a wide range of potentially exciting properties...

Certain compounds present in these plants have been shown to inhibit various subtypes of phosphodiesterase, an enzyme (technically, a class of enzymes) which degrades cAMP (cyclic adenosine monophostphae) and cGMP (cyclic guanosine monophosphate), cyclic nucleotide molecules which serve important roles in the human body (2).

By inhibiting these different subtypes of phosphodiesterase, cAMP and cGMP levels can be increased in different tissues where various beneficial effects can be seen, the cumulative effect of which can potentially be improved strength and body composition.

First, by inhibiting the cAMP-phosphodiesterase in skeletal muscle, it is thought that an anti-catabolic effect can be seen by suppressing calcium and ATP-dependent proteolysis, a mechanism that is shared by compounds like clenbuterol (3-10).

By increasing intracellular cAMP in skeletal muscle and the consequential decrease in calcium and ATP-dependent proteolysis, a net positive protein balance may occur in muscle, allowing for a possible gain of muscle mass.

This is a rarely-exploited natural anti-catabolic/anabolic pathway...and a VERY exciting one to say the least...and we aren't even close to being done...

Potential Fat Loss Too?

Furthermore, by increasing cAMP in fat cells, lipolysis (fat breakdown) can also increase, potentially resulting in a loss of fat...

In fact, animal model studies and traditional Asian medicine have noted this exact thing, demonstrating increased lipolysis and anti-obesity properties (11-13).

That's Not All Folks – More MOA's

Amino & Glucose Transport

In addition to these effects, by inhibiting other subtypes of phosphodiesterase a vasodilatory effect can occur, allowing for increased amino acid and glucose transport to skeletal muscle, potentially enhancing recovery and muscle growth (2,14-17).

Pumped To The Gills While Cutting?

In addition, this vasodilatory effect can potentially lead to greater "pumps" and the feeling of fuller muscles, while also potentially increasing lipolysis (2,18).

Keeps Going Like That Bunny

Unlike various nitric oxide (NO) products which can lose their effectiveness over time, these compounds will not do so.

Synergystic with Nitric Oxide Products?

In fact, these compounds may prevent N.O. products from losing their effectiveness in the first place (19-23).

Additionally, these compounds may even increase or potentiate the effects of nitric oxide products(24).

How so, you ask?

Well, to answer that, we must look at how the beloved nitric oxide (N.O.) molecule allows for vasodilation and the subsequent benefits...

N.O. is involved in the NO/guanylyl (guanylate) cyclase/cyclic GMP-dependent cascade...

In effect, it is thought that the N.O. molecule works by binding to and activating soluble guanylyl (guanylate) cyclase, which in turn catalyzes the formation of cGMP from guanosine triphosphate (GTP).

Once the previously mentioned second messenger, cGMP accumulates intracellularly in the given cell/tissue type (in this case smooth muscle), activation of cGMP-dependent protein kinase (protein kinase G or PKG) occurs and eventually leads to vasodilation, in this particular case.

So, again, how might Pink Magic prevent N.O. products from losing their effectiveness and possibly even potentiate their effects?

Well, it appears that one mechanism behind the reduction of N.O.'s effectiveness is an increase in the activity of cGMP-phosphodiesterase, which as we discussed earlier, is responsible for degrading cGMP...

Since the body can't stop you from ingesting compounds designed to increase N.O., it does the next best thing by increasing the expression of enzymes designed to reduce the downstream effectiveness of N.O....

In effect, it decreases levels of cGMP and thus reduces the level of vasodilation and other potential benefits...

However, since Pink Magic contains compounds known to inhibit cGMP phosphodiesterase, this can not only work to prevent the decline in effectiveness of N.O. products, it may even potentiate the effects of them through the same mechanism...

You'll have that N.O. product working to increase cGMP levels, while the key ingredients in Pink Magic prevent the degradation of cGMP, allowing you to maintain and even increase the beneficial effects seen with NO products!

Yet, unlikemost N.O. products, these compounds won't succumb to decreased effectiveness through decreased cGMP levels.

Endurance

If this weren't enough, one may also notice an increase in resistance to fatigue as a result of direct effect upon skeletal muscle (i.e., cAMP accumulation in both type I [slow-twitch] and type II [fast-twitch] can result in a resistance or decrease of fatigue) and the diaphragm; furthermore, by increasing cGMP accumulation in other cell types, one can potentially increase blood flow and the contractility of the heart, also resulting in greater resistance to fatigue (14,25).

In other words, you may be able to bang out more reps!

Strong Like Bull

As if all that wasn't enough, the compounds in the product can also potentially increase strength (26).

By inhibiting one of the phosphodiesterase subtypes, the contractility of skeletal muscles is increased. It is thought that this is accomplished by increasing therelease of acetylcholine at the neuromuscular junction while also sensitizing itto acetylcholine.

The result is the potential for a substantial improvement in strength.

It's a Bird, It's a Plane, It's a Test Booster too?

Massularia Acuminata

At this point, it can't get much better, can it? You bet your ass it can...

Massularia acuminata is a plant that has long been used in parts of Africa as an aphrodisiac...

Recent evidence suggests that these aphrodisiac properties noted anecdotally in humans, are due to the plant's ability to increase endogenous testosterone levels.

In a study in animal models, an aqueous extract of the plant was shown to increase serum luteinizing hormone and testicular testosterone levels by approximately 66% and 60%, respectively, relative to controls, after 3 weeks of administration in the highest dose group (1).

The increase in testosterone was found to be a dose-dependent effect, increasing significantly with each dose escalation.

In addition, other androgenic markers also indicated that the plant was effective in this regard, including a significant increase in testes-bodyweight ratio.

The authors of the study concluded that the use of the plant as an aphrodisiac is likely tied to its androgenic potential (i.e., ability to increase testosterone levels), based upon these data gathered in an animal model.

All of these effects were demonstrated without any note of adverse effects.

That's right, a potent natural test stimulator as an "added benefit" - wow!

How do ya like them apples? Even if you hate apples, you're lovin' the sound of this...
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Why dont USP offer to pay for a few blood tests to see if its raising testosterone like the animal studies are citing so people will know wether the test boosting aspect is living upto the claims?

USP, what do you say, would this be something you would be willing to do, do 3 blood tests for people running just PM and see how they pan out?
 
WilteredFire said:
Why dont USP offer to pay for a few blood tests to see if its raising testosterone like the animal studies are citing so people will know wether the test boosting aspect is living upto the claims?

USP, what do you say, would this be something you would be willing to do, do 3 blood tests for people running just PM and see how they pan out?
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Too many variables to consider, and it would not be controlled. I understand where you are coming from; although, unless this was done in a controlled environment with a placebo group as well, it is worthless because people can/will say the ‘’users’’ are on USP Labs’ ‘fanboy list’ or that no one knows if Johnny Q was taking synthetic testosterone as well. Way too many variables to consider for this to happen with regular board members.
 
I have seen huge differences on PM so far....that is good enough for me. I would be willing to pay for my own blood test but as I don't have a pre PM test to compare it to I don't think it would prove/disprove anything.

I would get into the huge increases in my lifts I have seen but I am fairly certain most people would just call me a liar.
 
headend said:
I have seen huge differences on PM so far....that is good enough for me. I would be willing to pay for my own blood test but as I don't have a pre PM test to compare it to I don't think it would prove/disprove anything.

I would get into the huge increases in my lifts I have seen but I am fairly certain most people would just call me a liar.
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Sadly, though it shouldn't matter, many will say that you are too new (on AM) to trust. I know, that's stupid; however, it is the honest truth. Stick around and post up so we all can get to know you, though! :thumbsup:
 
I don't really get the price argument. I can bottle tab water and sell it for $50 if I want, that is no one's business. USP Labs can price it for $20 or $1000 if they want. That is their business.

In the end, it is business like any other business. Fair Market Value is the price customers are willing to pay for a product. Nothing more, nothing less. If USP Labs cannot sell it for the price they want, they can decide to lower its price or discontinue it.


Now, as far as effectiveness or ingredients, that is a valid question and people should always question the science since companies tend to tweak research results to push products on the market. That is what keeps unregulated industries in check. I don't believe in users feedback because of the placebo effect. Users may start eating right, or working little harder or little differently because they are using new product they believe in. The same way they start eating healthy when they start working out and stop eating healthy when they stop working out. It is all psychological and that is why research companies do blind tests and use placebos.

For me, it is starting to sound more like Creatine more so than a PH and if so, it is expensive FOR ME as far as benefit versus value. Sounds like you notice initial gains in strength and weight gain but I do not expect the gains to happen on every cycle. And the company did not run long enough trial before releasing the product and used the initial feedback to push the product through. Good short term marketing strategy by the way.

Since there are no information on what happens after you discontinue the product for say 4 weeks? Are the gains kept or lost? if they are kept, what happens on second cycle? are there more gains? when does it taper off?

For me, these decide if I want to invest in only 1 bottle, or use it constantly. I am surprised that the answer was "it is still new we don't know yet". For me, this should have been answered before the product hit the market. But that would be my business strategy to keep my company's reputation and avoid all this negative feedback.

I don't mind trying it for the price because I have the money, and it is my choice where I want to spend my money. But I would not continue to use it if it turns out to be more like Creatine based on the current price. Again, the price is a personal choice. I don't go around beating the company up on prices.

Supply and Demand. When the demand drops, the price will drop. When more companies come up with similar product, the price will drop. When the product becomes as popular as, say, Creatine and there is a much larger customer base, the price will drop to get more people to buy it (smaller margin of profit, but higher quantities sold).
 
hoopem6 said:
It's funny because earlier you mentioned that "It's not too expensive for me." Yet all you have done up to this point is complain about Pink Magic's price tag...

With the exception of the IC release, which was available to everyone, I have personally seen trusted online retailers sell Pink Magic for $53-$55 (including NutraPlanet's price of $53.95 sale price) a bottle. What's even more ironic is, the product you inadvertently recommend purchasing in its stead, DTH retails for nearly $50 a bottle. I mean, after shipping, you are talking about a minuscule price difference.

Also, it's never been about "conforming to the craze". It's entirely about being able to personally experience a well-reviewed, highly-regarded, supplement that has plenty of firsthand user experiences to back up its claims. If you do not agree with this statement, then please refer me to a negative Pink Magic user log/review...

Lastly, yes, everyone's opinion is welcome... But, there is a severe difference between making factual statements based on logic/reasoning, and making irrational comments based on hearsay.
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AND DTH which has been reformulatted 100 times over...

His agenda is obvious.....
 
Ubiyca said:
What's Pink Magic's MOA?
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You put your foot in your mouth on that question. Which makes your attacks superficial. It's apparent your motives are just because you are bored not cause you read or researched anything..

And the MOAs listed closely resemble consumer feedback...As conclusive as it gets in our industry!
 
Regardless of content, comments like

Silly.

that statement is almost as sloppy as Fedors last fight..
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this

You should request a self inflicted banning out of embarrassment...
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And this

You put your foot in your mouth on that question.
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Along with other ones I’ve seen in different threads is the reason that I no longer will purchase USP products (although if they offered me freebies I wouldn’t say no, its plain just rude to refuse a gift :veryhappy:). No matter how disrespectful or belligerent another poster gets, as a company representative I believe it’s your job to act professionally as you are the face of your company; instead of antagonizing and belittling posters who disagree with you (or worse, even insult you) and driving away potential consumers.

I am not taking sides and I agree that some of the posts you’ve replied to are completely inflammatory in nature, but compared to the conduct that I’ve seen other company reps on this board adhere to in similar situations, you have been found wanting.

I won’t support a company, no matter how positive of an experience I have had with their products, whose reps engage in such an antagonistic manner.
 
PublicEnemy said:
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this



And this



Along with other ones I’ve seen in different threads is the reason that I no longer will purchase USP products (although if they offered me freebies I wouldn’t say no, its plain just rude to refuse a gift :veryhappy:). No matter how disrespectful or belligerent another poster gets, as a company representative I believe it’s your job to act professionally as you are the face of your company; instead of antagonizing and belittling posters who disagree with you (or worse, even insult you) and driving away potential consumers.

I am not taking sides and I agree that some of the posts you’ve replied to are completely inflammatory in nature, but compared to the conduct that I’ve seen other company reps on this board adhere to in similar situations, you have been found wanting.

I won’t support a company, no matter how positive of an experience I have had with their products, whose reps engage in such an antagonistic manner.
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are you embarrassed? if so request this ---> :banned:
lol just playing around
 
PublicEnemy said:
Regardless of content, comments like



this



And this



Along with other ones I’ve seen in different threads is the reason that I no longer will purchase USP products (although if they offered me freebies I wouldn’t say no, its plain just rude to refuse a gift :veryhappy:). No matter how disrespectful or belligerent another poster gets, as a company representative I believe it’s your job to act professionally as you are the face of your company; instead of antagonizing and belittling posters who disagree with you (or worse, even insult you) and driving away potential consumers.

I am not taking sides and I agree that some of the posts you’ve replied to are completely inflammatory in nature, but compared to the conduct that I’ve seen other company reps on this board adhere to in similar situations, you have been found wanting.

I won’t support a company, no matter how positive of an experience I have had with their products, whose reps engage in such an antagonistic manner.
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Ah the old "I WON'T support the said company" but "I WILL, however, accept a product from the same said company free of charge..."

If USPlabs integrity was really that big of a concern to you, irrespective of price, you would not accept their product(s) as a gift.
 
Ah the old "I WON'T support the said company" but "I WILL, however, accept a free product from the said company."

If USPlabs integrity was really that big of a concern to you, irrespective of price, you would not accept their product(s) as a gift.
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Please show me in my post where I said anything concerning to the integrity of USP Labs as a company.
 
PublicEnemy said:
Regardless of content, comments like



this



And this



Along with other ones I’ve seen in different threads is the reason that I no longer will purchase USP products (although if they offered me freebies I wouldn’t say no, its plain just rude to refuse a gift :veryhappy:). No matter how disrespectful or belligerent another poster gets, as a company representative I believe it’s your job to act professionally as you are the face of your company; instead of antagonizing and belittling posters who disagree with you (or worse, even insult you) and driving away potential consumers.

I am not taking sides and I agree that some of the posts you’ve replied to are completely inflammatory in nature, but compared to the conduct that I’ve seen other company reps on this board adhere to in similar situations, you have been found wanting.

I won’t support a company, no matter how positive of an experience I have had with their products, whose reps engage in such an antagonistic manner.
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Your opinion is respected and noted.

Responding logically to ignorance is a lost cause from my experience.

We rather spend quality time helping the willing consumer then spend our time defending a silly arguement. I rather respond with tactical ignorance becuase at the end of the day conflict is marketing exposure.
 
look at the bright side guys, 50 years from now they will be discussing how we started World War 5.

50 years later: Teacher says "So class who knows why World War 5 started?"

lilttle jimmy replies "because of the disagreement between bodybuilders over supplements"

and yes guys WW5 is so great its gonna skip WW3 and WW4, thats the beauty of it
 
Your opinion is respected and noted.

Responding logically to ignorance is a lost cause.
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Thank for you the professional response.

And now for a punctual and relevant quote-

"Never argue with an idiot. He will only drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

EDIT:

We rather spend quality time helping the willing consumer then spend our time defending a silly arguement. I rather respond with tactical ignorance becuase at the end of the day conflict is marketing exposure.
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I missed this before I posted. And i agree, every single one of these threads is GREAT marketing exposure :bigok:
 
okay, i'll just stick to my main point, pink magic is nothing compared to the weakest cheapest anabolic steroid.

I will buy pink magic, and I will give it a shot, if it doesn't give me better gains at the price than I can get with something else at that price, I want my money back.

and I will log it.

less talk, i'll put it to the test.

even though I hate propietary blends. why do supplement companies do this?

PROPRIETARY BLEND (MASSULARIA ACUMINATE (STEM), NELUMBO NUCIFERA (SEEDS AND LEAVES), RHAMNUS NAKAHARAI (STEM) 1600mg

i dont see it happening, but we'll see.
 
jbryand101b said:
okay, i'll just stick to my main point, pink magic is nothing compared to the weakest cheapest anabolic steroid.

I will buy pink magic, and I will give it a shot, if it doesn't give me better gains at the price than I can get with something else at that price, I want my money back.

and I will log it.

less talk, i'll put it to the test.

even though I hate propietary blends. why do supplement companies do this?

PROPRIETARY BLEND (MASSULARIA ACUMINATE (STEM), NELUMBO NUCIFERA (SEEDS AND LEAVES), RHAMNUS NAKAHARAI (STEM) 1600mg

i dont see it happening, but we'll see.
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you should totally do that
 
jbryand101b said:
okay, i'll just stick to my main point, pink magic is nothing compared to the weakest cheapest anabolic steroid.

I will buy pink magic, and I will give it a shot, if it doesn't give me better gains at the price than I can get with something else at that price, I want my money back.

and I will log it.

less talk, i'll put it to the test.

even though I hate propietary blends. why do supplement companies do this?

PROPRIETARY BLEND (MASSULARIA ACUMINATE (STEM), NELUMBO NUCIFERA (SEEDS AND LEAVES), RHAMNUS NAKAHARAI (STEM) 1600mg

i dont see it happening, but we'll see.
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I don't know I did a cycle of Halodrol back in the day and I got some recomp out of it but strength gains weren't good. My strength gains on Swole, Prime and PM have all been superior to original Halodrol... are the modern versions twice as good? If they are and they're that safe maybe I've been missing out.
 
DreamWeaver said:
I don't know I did a cycle of Halodrol back in the day and I got some recomp out of it but strength gains weren't good. My strength gains on Swole, Prime and PM have all been superior to original Halodrol... are the modern versions twice as good? If they are and they're that safe maybe I've been missing out.
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No, the original halodrol is the same if not better than the clones out now. What dose did you take and for how long? A 50/50/50/50 cycle of halodrol I believe could be similar to a pink magic cycle. But people run halodrol up to 100mg per day and for 6 weeks which would seem to be superior than PM..
 
gamer2be08 said:
No, the original halodrol is the same if not better than the clones out now. What dose did you take and for how long? A 50/50/50/50 cycle of halodrol I believe could be similar to a pink magic cycle. But people run halodrol up to 100mg per day and for 6 weeks which would seem to be superior than PM..
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Yah back then people were running 50 mg so 100 is much better then? Sides are still very low?
 
PublicEnemy said:
Regardless of content, comments like



this



And this



Along with other ones I’ve seen in different threads is the reason that I no longer will purchase USP products (although if they offered me freebies I wouldn’t say no, its plain just rude to refuse a gift :veryhappy:). No matter how disrespectful or belligerent another poster gets, as a company representative I believe it’s your job to act professionally as you are the face of your company; instead of antagonizing and belittling posters who disagree with you (or worse, even insult you) and driving away potential consumers.

I am not taking sides and I agree that some of the posts you’ve replied to are completely inflammatory in nature, but compared to the conduct that I’ve seen other company reps on this board adhere to in similar situations, you have been found wanting.

I won’t support a company, no matter how positive of an experience I have had with their products, whose reps engage in such an antagonistic manner.
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Not to be rude but your reasoning is kindof dumb. I could care less about company reps making somewhat immature comments to defend their products. IMO that is human nature...so what. If their products work then comments like these don't bother me in the least....and they don't really anyways.
 
Not to be rude but your reasoning is kindof dumb. I could care less about company reps making somewhat immature comments to defend their products. IMO that is human nature...so what. If their products work then comments like these don't bother me in the least....and they don't really anyways.
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Lol

That is the only response I'm going to dignify this with.
 
PublicEnemy said:
Please show me in my post where I said anything concerning to the integrity of USP Labs as a company.
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PublicEnemy said:
I won’t support a company, no matter how positive of an experience I have had with their products, whose reps engage in such an antagonistic manner.
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Dumbfounded...

PublicEnemy said:
I missed this before I posted. And i agree, every single one of these threads is GREAT marketing exposure :bigok:
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Thank you for supporting USPlabs! :wave:
 
Dumbfounded...
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I'm still a little confused as to how that relates to integrity. Perhaps you'd like to explain to me your reasoning instead of providing a one word response? I have a feeling we're defining integrity in different contexts.

I said nowhere that I doubt the integrity of USP Labs. I have always had a positive experience with their products. I do believe their products perform. Therefore, I believe the company has integrity. I buy a product, I expect it to work, it does. I just don't like the way these threads turn into a mud slinging match, which I believe is attributed in part to some of the antagonistic comments that are directed at skeptics and naysayers. Which then leads to the opinions that I've already outlined previously.
 
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