Keeping test levels up during cycle any thoughts

[jtnba24]

I know this may sound dumb but is there any way to keep your nat testlevel not 100% shutdown while on cycle so when it is time for pct it will be easier to maintain.

 

[Lou villian]

HCG my friend

 

[wastedwhiteboy2]

They say keeping the estrogen levels low help but it probably depends on how heavy of a cycle you do and some estrogen is good. Try pulsing?

 

[gamer2be08]

HCG my friend

Wrong, your test is still suppressed immensely on HCG. It just keeps your boys from shrinkin...

 

[CrazyChemist]

I know this may sound dumb but is there any way to keep your nat testlevel not 100% shutdown while on cycle so when it is time for pct it will be easier to maintain.

HCG my friend

They say keeping the estrogen levels low help but it probably depends on how heavy of a cycle you do and some estrogen is good. Try pulsing?

Wrong, your test is still suppressed immensely on HCG. It just keeps your boys from shrinkin...

Lets clarify this. On a test cycle your body has MORE test than it does naturally. So your test level is more than 100% normal.

However, your body shuts down its HPTA - the enzymatic negative feedback loop in the body that regulates production of testosterone. Specifically, the hypothalamus decreases the luteinizing hormone concentration which in turn tells the testicles to stop producing testosterone (and therefore they shrink).
hCG functions as an LH mimicker, so the testicles continue to maintain natural test levels despite the presence of large concentrations of synthetic test in the body. HOWEVER, LH production is still decreased. Therefore, the need for pct is still present.

The use of hCG will ease recovery and will keep the natural test levels in the body elevated. However you are still shutdown and you need to run a thorough pct in order to recover. See - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/141577-unreals-guide-injectables.html - for more information.

 

[gamer2be08]

Lets clarify this. On a test cycle your body has MORE test than it does naturally. So your test level is more than 100% normal.

However, your body shuts down its HPTA - the enzymatic negative feedback loop in the body that regulates production of testosterone. Specifically, the hypothalamus decreases the luteinizing hormone concentration which in turn tells the testicles to stop producing testosterone (and therefore they shrink).
hCG functions as an LH mimicker, so the testicles continue to maintain natural test levels despite the presence of large concentrations of synthetic test in the body. HOWEVER, LH production is still decreased. Therefore, the need for pct is still present.

The use of hCG [will/B] easy recovery and will keep the natural test levels in the body elevated. However you are still shutdown and you need to run a thorough pct in order to recover. See - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/141577-unreals-guide-injectables.html - for more information.

Thanks for clarifying, you helped me understand hcg a tad bit more!

 

[schwellington]

is hcg only found in injectables...I wont use needles....I have a evil past with them

 

[unc21]

Lets clarify this. On a test cycle your body has MORE test than it does naturally. So your test level is more than 100% normal.

However, your body shuts down its HPTA - the enzymatic negative feedback loop in the body that regulates production of testosterone. Specifically, the hypothalamus decreases the luteinizing hormone concentration which in turn tells the testicles to stop producing testosterone (and therefore they shrink).
hCG functions as an LH mimicker, so the testicles continue to maintain natural test levels despite the presence of large concentrations of synthetic test in the body. HOWEVER, LH production is still decreased. Therefore, the need for pct is still present.

The use of hCG will ease recovery and will keep the natural test levels in the body elevated. However you are still shutdown and you need to run a thorough pct in order to recover. See - http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/141577-unreals-guide-injectables.html - for more information.

Perfectly put! :thumbsup:

 

[CrazyChemist]

is hcg only found in injectables...I wont use needles....I have a evil past with them

You can take hCG orally but hte bioavailability is much lower. If you are running hCG it is because you are running a cycle or 10 weeks or longer usually. If you are running 10 weeks or longer then you should NOT be running an orals cycle as this will be bad for the liver. Hence, if you need hCG you are probably already injecting.

 

[funkd0c]

You can take hCG orally but hte bioavailability is much lower. If you are running hCG it is because you are running a cycle or 10 weeks or longer usually. If you are running 10 weeks or longer then you should NOT be running an orals cycle as this will be bad for the liver. Hence, if you need hCG you are probably already injecting.

But if you are running a oral steriod cycle is there something that will keep your natural test levels up on cycle? or is it not recommended to take such things on cycle? fenugreek, resveratrol, 7,8 benzoflavone?

 

[gamer2be08]

But if you are running a oral steriod cycle is there something that will keep your natural test levels up on cycle? or is it not recommended to take such things on cycle? fenugreek, resveratrol, 7,8 benzoflavone?

You wouldnt take it because you'll recover a lot faster with a SERM alone for short cycle in theory. There is no need to have HCG in short cycles or anything up to 12 weeks.. IMO

 

[funkd0c]

You wouldnt take it because you'll recover a lot faster with a SERM alone for short cycle in theory. There is no need to have HCG in short cycles or anything up to 12 weeks.. IMO

???What??? You quoted me, but your "answer" doesn't answer any of the questions I asked.

Did you mean to quote me or someone else??

 

[funkd0c]

I guess I should ask the OP if they were refering to an oral cycle or a injectable cycle??

So, which is it jtnba24?? or am i way out of line here?

 

[gamer2be08]

???What??? You quoted me, but your "answer" doesn't answer any of the questions I asked.

Did you mean to quote me or someone else??

Let me put it this way, the ONLY thing that could keep your natural test levels up is HCG. There are no herbs that will have that effect while on cycle.

 

[jtnba24]

I started the post as I am running
Week 1-4 30mg T-BOL
Week 1-10 600mg EQ
Week 6-10 50mg Winni

Just a small cycle and nothing too strong, would i still need hcg or will the a-dex and clomid be fine plus i will be running igf1 lr3 also

 

[CrazyChemist]

I started the post as I am running
Week 1-4 30mg T-BOL
Week 1-10 600mg EQ
Week 6-10 50mg Winni

Just a small cycle and nothing too strong, would i still need hcg or will the a-dex and clomid be fine plus i will be running igf1 lr3 also

No I wouldnt bother with hCG for that cycle. I purchased a bunch of it awhile back so i run it now whenever but it isnt necessary unless you are on cycle for more than 12 weeks.

Yes gear will shut you down but you will recover. Keeping natural test up while on does not mean you have not shut down your hpta. It just means you replaced the hpta to keep the testes pumping. hCG is suppressive to the HPTA since it serves the same function, which is why you never run hCG during pct.