Killerkanadia
Well-known member
Not even if you take 21 a day? lol...
Natadrol vs Prime
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ex-tightend83
Well-known member
No, we're rookies if we don't take that 21 a day for seven days. LMFAO!!!
Killerkanadia
Well-known member
Just a quick question. I just bought some creatine monohydrate... i was wondering how i should dose it. I'm just a rookie 
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
F**king rookie...don't you know you can only use MUSCLETECH creatine and products?!
BigBeazy
Well-known member
*Fixed.
BigBeazy
Well-known member
I know. =)
Inarius
Well-known member
and what qualifies you as an expert? :22:
TMLAROCK
Guest
if natadrol is not a pro hormone... why do you need a PCT? can anyone help me on that?
hardknock
Well-known member
if I remember correctly, some people got in on the deal for either 150 or 180 count bottles last year?????
So, you have many people holding on to large count bottles at a fraction of the cost, so to speak. Those people can run crazy dosing patterns at little cost.
Myself, at the price I can get It for through wholesale bulk, 8-10 bottle runs would be equal or slightly less than pre, during, and post products when doing any traditional steroid. Meaning, add up what you take precycle, during and postcycle. The price is enormous IF you are not cutting corners and doing the cycle by "text book" standards.
I would also add that that the gains are going to stay unlike many gains from a steroid.
This can be debated on many levels but at the most basic level of discussion, prime is a healthier choice and better depending on what side of the fence that you frequent.
Killerkanadia
Well-known member
If you aren't cutting corners and you really spend the money to take every step of a Prohormone cycle, you will keep your gains. You are always going to lose your water and glyco retention but you will keep your muscles. Thats why i said earlier if i'm going to spend that much money on 8-10 bottles of prime i'm going to need to see steroid like results.
Yes, though. Over all it's probably less unhealthy to dose 21 prime than 75mg H-drol.
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
Good points. Anyway, got my four bottles of Natadrol today. I'm going to stack it with Prime and probably log it. Let's see what happens!
VolcomX311
Legend
Should be nuts.
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
That's what I'm hoping! Theoretically, at least, should be an insane strength gain!
slimcharles
Banned
Finally, voice of reason besides me has spoken.
LG says Natadrol is hormonal and you 'need' PCT so sheep believe it's powerful. I can see these marketing gimmicks from a mile away, and so can this guy.
Killerkanadia
Well-known member
So have you seen blood tests or?...
hardknock
Well-known member
If you do not have evidence with either anecdotal and/or actual blood work then you only have an opinion which means little to nothing. I mean, you can scream from the mountain tops that this or that does not work but until you have the EVIDENCE then you have nothing more than a single opinion.
slimcharles
Banned
I'd like to see your evidence in that case. My evidence is that the study LG used is HIGHLY flawed in EVERY regard when it comes to muscle building. First of all it was done in China, second of all it was done on a petri dish, third of all it was done on a CANCEROUS CELL LINE.
W/e it's your own money spent. You know the saying: A fool and his money are soon parted. That should be LG's motto.
BigBeazy
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Seriously you make no sense. LG has not made a product that I have not loved or seen results from (Except from the old Cold Fusion). Im a week into the Natabolic Stack and so far so good. I really can tell im getting bigger, plus with me hitting the cardio like a beast, Im leaning out slightly as well.
ASGT? Cmon, ask nearly anyone on here and they will tell you it's one of the best PWO's around.
Lipotropic Protein, AMAZING. I bought the PB&Chocolate and its easily comparable to Nutrapro, my other love.
Bcaa's, I have both Blue Razz and Kiwi Watermelon flavors. They are extremely cheap compared to most Bcaa's, they have a high ammount of Bcaa's in them, and the taste really isn't that bad. I personally preffer the Kiwi to the Blue Razz, but they both are all around good.
Anadraulic Pump, Great Pre-workout. Its on my top three, N.O. Ignite, AP, ASGT. White Flood is great also, I loved the old Jack3d.
I have yet to use their fat burners, but some where in the near future i will deffinatley pick some up.
Oh yeah, one last thing, Formadrol, You can't say a thing about that. Irish Cannon even did blood work for that. LG is also known for their test boosters and what not.
Irish Cannon
Legend
Your arguments and grammatical structure are all too similar to a member of the BB.com forums.
All you're saying are empty words that mean absolutely nothing. It's obvious you have some type of agenda. How about you let customers decide what products they like. There are plenty of people that like PRIME, Natadrol, and other questioned supplements. Innovation is always in question.
There is plenty more I could say on the matter but I see no reason to. Your arguments are transparent. This isn't the BB.com forums. You're not going to be treated like a king here simply by being a skeptic.
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
Bwahahahahahaha!!!! Good one. And I agree. In fact, I'll be logging my Natadrol/Prime stack. If it works for me, I'll say so. If it doesn't, then I'll say so as well. That's fair, isn't it? And, Beazy, thanks for the heads-up on the ASGT and the like. I bought ASGT, Anadraulic Pump, Postal, BC+EAA and GHenerate to use in my stack. I don't mind being a guinea pig...that's the only way I'm going to find out what works for me.
slimcharles
Banned
This entire post is what I would expect from a die hard LG fan. If you could for one second just take LG's nuts out of your mouth I will explain how you are wrong.
First of all, I care nothing about your placebo given results. LG doesn't have a single product backed with science, except for BCAA's and protein.
Secondly, LG's Protein tastes like ass, and I have tried it.
Lastly, Irishcannon is a known joke among many other forums not just bb.com. Remember, this is the guy that claimed LG is bringing a new SERM more powerful than Letrozole. After such follies it's almost impossible to take anything he says seriously. This is about the only forum out of the five that I know, where LG is given any respect.
Innovation? LG? Just because you have are using some new worthless plants like TC and playing it off as innovation? Innovation would be coming up with products based on ACTUAL science.
I bet you love this forum because you are treated like a king here. I mainly go to this forum to laugh at all the placebo driven logs and occasionally sell some supplements. I have no agenda, other than voicing my opinion.
This is exactly why LG is still in business. There are enough like minded people like you that will try just about anything a company will sell them regardless if the product works or not.
I'd call on some of you to venture out of this one forum and look at others. I'm not even talking about bb.com, check out other muscle forums and read what real people say about LG, USPLabs etc..
Irish Cannon
Legend
You can refute the scientific literature we've given you all you want, but you can't deny the positive effects it has given so many users, myself included.
Army Guy
Well-known member
Bro I am ON about 6 other forums and have no idea what you are talking about (to include 3 with IC on them)
Everyone has a right to their own opinions, no one is dinging you on that, but we have heard you repeat the same stuff over and over again. The only things I really see being said negative about LG or USP on other forums are by guys that do nothing but juice, or are like you and have an ax to grind. There are haters, lovers, and everything in between. Hey, the steroid users are right that these natural supps don't compare to the bang one gets from steroids. But they do offer another option. There have been countless people on this forum and others that have logged and loved their naty supps by these and other companies. I for one like some products by these companies, and others not so much. I am not alone. The majority of guys on here give what they think is their honest opinions. Let's not call out anyone's integrity alright bro! If the supps are working, then why not just let dead dogs be??
Oh, and by the way... I don't respond at ALL to Tylenol. So I say we should storm the Tylenol building and demand they close their doors!!! Wait, but what about the others that DO benefit...
These pharmaceutical companies have BILLIONS of $$$ to conduct all these double and triple blind studies... LG and USP don't. They were started by guys like you and I that wanted a better supplement for guys who hit the iron.
In the last few years these companies have made leaps and bounds. Remember the supps of the 80's and 90's??? The science is getting better, but is far from perfect, even with the giants of the pharmaceutical world. They know, which you somehow don't, that ALL people respond the supps differently. Just because I don't respond to Tylenol doesn't mean it's junk. Others swear by it.
Just let it go bro... get another hobby
Everyone has a right to their own opinions, no one is dinging you on that, but we have heard you repeat the same stuff over and over again. The only things I really see being said negative about LG or USP on other forums are by guys that do nothing but juice, or are like you and have an ax to grind. There are haters, lovers, and everything in between. Hey, the steroid users are right that these natural supps don't compare to the bang one gets from steroids. But they do offer another option. There have been countless people on this forum and others that have logged and loved their naty supps by these and other companies. I for one like some products by these companies, and others not so much. I am not alone. The majority of guys on here give what they think is their honest opinions. Let's not call out anyone's integrity alright bro! If the supps are working, then why not just let dead dogs be??
Oh, and by the way... I don't respond at ALL to Tylenol. So I say we should storm the Tylenol building and demand they close their doors!!! Wait, but what about the others that DO benefit...
These pharmaceutical companies have BILLIONS of $$$ to conduct all these double and triple blind studies... LG and USP don't. They were started by guys like you and I that wanted a better supplement for guys who hit the iron.
In the last few years these companies have made leaps and bounds. Remember the supps of the 80's and 90's??? The science is getting better, but is far from perfect, even with the giants of the pharmaceutical world. They know, which you somehow don't, that ALL people respond the supps differently. Just because I don't respond to Tylenol doesn't mean it's junk. Others swear by it.
Just let it go bro... get another hobby
BigBeazy
Well-known member
I love BB.com Queers. One, you are completely Negged with almost no posts. You just pop on here and bash amazing companies. Probilly why you are negged.
Not backed by science lol... Are you kidding me? This isn't Muscle Tech. LG Sciences Cryogenically freezes and tests all of their supplements. Thats not enough science for ya?
Irish Cannon
Legend
lol what?
Can't we get this thread back on track?
Why Natadrol v. Prime anyways? They stack well together.
Can't we get this thread back on track?
Why Natadrol v. Prime anyways? They stack well together.
slimcharles
Banned
Yes, I can and I will. Placebo driven results is all you have given them. Have you heard of CEE? Remember the logs for those?
"OMFG the strength GAINS ARE INSANE!!!" - random fool
"I feel AWESOME NO BLOATING LIKE MONO HERP DERP" random fool #2
Same thing.
slimcharles
Banned
Are you the fat guy from BB.com? I recognize your name.
Army Guy
Well-known member
again my friend... let it go. This thread was for, as stated by IC above... comparing these 2 products. We all know what you think. The horse is dead and gone... put the stick down.
slimcharles
Banned
I was just asking a simple question, notice I didn't even bother responding to his post. Considering this is a LG vs USPLabs thread I think IrishCannon being here is more of a problem than me.
BigBeazy
Well-known member
No, I am PlzBe18QTPi on BB.com. Some other Fuhker took my name.
redman24
Banned
not to drift further from the actual topic but i have something to add.
slimcharles, how do you explain someone gaining almost an inch of arm circumference on a specific stack while losing bodyfat, having mostly bad workouts and no noticeable strength gains?there must be some anabolic effect taking place, unless you believe that the mind can make the body grow muscle.
slimcharles, how do you explain someone gaining almost an inch of arm circumference on a specific stack while losing bodyfat, having mostly bad workouts and no noticeable strength gains?there must be some anabolic effect taking place, unless you believe that the mind can make the body grow muscle.
slimcharles
Banned
From what? Anything LG makes? I absolutely believe the mind can make the body grow muscle.
You must realize the brain is a powerful tool. Placebo effects are real. Some people will convince themselves so much that something works that it will actually happen. I would love to be that gullible because that would enable me to be Mr. Olympia in no time. Sadly, I am a realist.
redman24
Banned
actually i am quite sceptical and when i used the stack that gave me mentioned results i really initially thought i may have wasted my money.yet i was proven wrong.i tend to be rather pessimistic in my expectation and have used supplements that havent had any noticeable effect whatsoever.
and while i think that the placebo effect can make some people work harder in the gym, this obviously isnt the case for me, since no out of the ordinary strength gain was present.i doubt that someone can grow and inch around their arms by power of the mind, unless they are some kind of yogi, otherwise it would be great, no more supplements would be needed.
and while i think that the placebo effect can make some people work harder in the gym, this obviously isnt the case for me, since no out of the ordinary strength gain was present.i doubt that someone can grow and inch around their arms by power of the mind, unless they are some kind of yogi, otherwise it would be great, no more supplements would be needed.
bigjeff200
Member
I ran the natabolic kit and im almost done with pct.
I lost 2 pounds while on while I gained 2 reps on my 275 bench... was two now I can do 4 pretty smoothly.
If I got these gains from the supplements or placebo I have no idea, but I gained.
I will run natadrol again.
I've used asgt/ap/ghenerate from lg so I would say I have used more than enough of there products to be a judge. Protein is a great buy, good profile, tastes decent, aminos taste fine with a good profile. ASGT is my fav pwo drink now, use to be jack3d. And ap gives me ok pumps, I get better pumps from other supplements but it is sold esp for the money.
I lost 2 pounds while on while I gained 2 reps on my 275 bench... was two now I can do 4 pretty smoothly.
If I got these gains from the supplements or placebo I have no idea, but I gained.
I will run natadrol again.
I've used asgt/ap/ghenerate from lg so I would say I have used more than enough of there products to be a judge. Protein is a great buy, good profile, tastes decent, aminos taste fine with a good profile. ASGT is my fav pwo drink now, use to be jack3d. And ap gives me ok pumps, I get better pumps from other supplements but it is sold esp for the money.
Resolve
The BPS Rep
Been a while since I stepped in this thread. Good grief. 
The placebo effect is certainly quite real. But the burden of proof lies upon whomever raises the question. I.e., prove it does nothing, because there's currently some pretty good supporting data for ND, and nothing I've seen would indicate it's a placebo.
No evidence = groundless conjecture.
The placebo effect is certainly quite real. But the burden of proof lies upon whomever raises the question. I.e., prove it does nothing, because there's currently some pretty good supporting data for ND, and nothing I've seen would indicate it's a placebo.
No evidence = groundless conjecture.
hardknock
Well-known member
I'm on about 17 other forums, because it is part of my job and what I do but I am not seeing all this "bashing" which you are referring to. LG has had the dog walked on them quite a few times here, back in the day, around the M1T days. It's not like people are accepting them blindly. They made tremendous progress from the 03'04 days.
Also, people bash USP on other sites, yeah, but they also have followers in masses, your point being what?
Now, I would like to know what supplements that you sell/trade? Name a few of them please.
hardknock
Well-known member
Now you are just talking like a fool here...
If that were 100% proof positive then we could all be anything we wanted to be. All I need to do is convince myself that I can live forever and I would be a Jetson in 300 years.
Please quit with the buffoonery.
So, if someone takes a libido enhancer, or "voluminous" product, then it is their mind which makes their load larger? If it were THAT EASY then there would be no need for Viagra or Cialis...if all people need to do is just "think" themselves out of ED then toss all the pills...
Hell, since we are being clowns here, why not just eat all the fatty foods and pork we can stomach because clearly all we have to do is think ourselves into a healthy state and we'll live healthy without working out or anything.
Damn, I knew i should have choked down those cream pies at lunch today..with your logic, they are not going to add any fat to my waist line because I can simply fool myself into believing that it is not going to add fat to my waist line...
Thank you slim. You have actually discovered the fountain of youth...
brb...convincing myself that age is only a number
slimcharles
Banned
I have no idea what you just wrote.
hardknock
Well-known member
Thanks, the feeling is mutual.
It was buffoonery, just as every statement you have made...
Let's see if you can understand this ...
Evidence - proof of an incident or occurrence
Allegation - assumption/accusation with no proof....
Is that clear enough for you?
sluggy
Banned
It's already been said perfectly
ex-tightend83
Well-known member
Well said...
slimcharles
Banned
We're fools for not buying worthless supplements? Seems like you are the fools for buying into something that doesn't work. :lol: