BEST pre workout supp 2010?

USPLabs said:
All I know is that Jack3d has changed the face of Pre workout products and many, if not all are following our lead. Can other companies claim a product better than Jack3d, sure and nothing wrong with that, but Jack3d was their inspiration.

We always been a leader in our product formulations and that can never be taken from us.

While we are on the topic of innovation just wait until Pink Magic!
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*Yawn*

I believe wholeheartedly in USP labs products mate. I have got more of my mates on Jacked and Prime than you know. but talk bout Pink when we can buy it. Crappin on bout stuff we cant get our hands on is just annoying.

No offense, but hype lead up to supps is out of control. Starting MONTHS before we can buy it? please, I understand the need to generate awareness of a product. But months of "wait for this" is annoying as hell.

I WILL buy some, certainly, because i l;ike USP labs. Lets just hope its not a "need 3 bottles to get full effects" supplement.....
 
ProteinMurder said:
*Yawn*

I believe wholeheartedly in USP labs products mate. I have got more of my mates on Jacked and Prime than you know. but talk bout Pink when we can buy it. Crappin on bout stuff we cant get our hands on is just annoying.

No offense, but hype lead up to supps is out of control. Starting MONTHS before we can buy it? please, I understand the need to generate awareness of a product. But months of "wait for this" is annoying as hell.

I WILL buy some, certainly, because i l;ike USP labs. Lets just hope its not a "need 3 bottles to get full effects" supplement.....
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I thank you and your mates!

You opinion is respected and taken into consideration.
 
I am wishing that Muscle Marinade comes in a none stim one day.. I want to try it but me and stims we do not get along any more!
 
Im only using Premax on my favorite days, Arms, Chest and Delts. Im still waiting to try Jacked. Ive used just about every Usp labs supp but Jacked, so I think im due. In the past ive tried NO Shotgun wich worked pretty good, and I may get flamed for this, but Alpha Amino Prototype whatever from MuscleTech actually worked well too. I know, crazy but true.
 
waverebelfore said:
i hear its supposed to be pretty good...

Since yoru a rep can you comment on my previous post?

I want to run Hemavol but, should I not take it with lets say superpump250 because of the double arginine.. or do the react differently in the body since the hema is already converted into the active ingredient so stacking the two wouldnt be to much?
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stacking the two is fine, Hemavol doesnt use any arginine. You could stack it with any othe stimulant like Jack3d if you wanted too.
 
ProteinMurder said:
*Yawn*

I believe wholeheartedly in USP labs products mate. I have got more of my mates on Jacked and Prime than you know. but talk bout Pink when we can buy it. Crappin on bout stuff we cant get our hands on is just annoying.

No offense, but hype lead up to supps is out of control. Starting MONTHS before we can buy it? please, I understand the need to generate awareness of a product. But months of "wait for this" is annoying as hell.

I WILL buy some, certainly, because i l;ike USP labs. Lets just hope its not a "need 3 bottles to get full effects" supplement.....
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I took 1 bottle that I was given, 150 pills at 6 a day = 25 days, and I had the most amazing strength and recomp gains I have ever had, while on a cut. It is that good and dosing is significantly less than Prime and it kicks in within a week. Jacob is hyping it up because it is that good.
 
btw- i had 1/2 scoop left of my Muscle Marinade Purus Punch flavor on my log run, so i mixed it with 1 scoop of tropical fruit punch Jack3d...

the taste was orgasmic. i had to change my pants.
 
Ok guys thanks for all your help....

just so people know what i decided on and if anyone has any questions hopefully I answer them about your pre workout supps

I bought
Superpump250
Creatine Monohydrate powder
Xtend
Hemavol
and Aminodrol

I am stacking them like this:

Pre workout:
-1 scoop Superpump250
-2/5 grams of Creatine Monohydrate (since super pump is a proprietary blend I add some creatine to get a full 5gs pre workouts)
-Aminodrol 3 pills
-one dose of Hemoval

During workout:
4 scoops Xtend

Post workout:
-1 and 1/2 scoops whey protein + 1/2 scoop casein + 5 gs creatine
-Aminodrol

hope this helps anyone looking for a good stack. I played around with the doses even at my weight because of some over lap that exhists between supps
 
hoopem6 said:
That certainly seems to be the consensus.
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I am not aware of this consensus. Most users do not ever need more than two scoops of Jack3d, except they have been on the product for many weeks, and are developing a tolerance to it.
 
USPLabs said:
All I know is that Jack3d has changed the face of Pre workout products and many, if not all are following our lead. Can other companies claim a product better than Jack3d, sure and nothing wrong with that, but Jack3d was their inspiration.

We always been a leader in our product formulations and that can never be taken from us...
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Good post! A lot of people conveniently forget that many of these post-Jack3d pre-workout formulas are built around Jack3d's successful blueprint, so they are essentially knock-offs. Jack3d undoubtedly changed the face of the pre-workout-supplement segment, so it is gratifying to see that a lot of users are still loyal to it as the trailblazer.
 
strategicmove said:
I am not aware of this consensus. Most users do not ever need more than two scoops of Jack3d, except they have been on the product for many weeks, and are developing a tolerance to it.
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lol jacked's own product label recommends using 3 scoops. each user in this thread who had already used jacked said they needed at least 3 scoops.
 
Grey Warden said:
lol jacked's own product label recommends using 3 scoops. each user in this thread who had already used jacked said they needed at least 3 scoops.
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Why LOL? Serving size is one scoop, and the directions recommend to assess tolerance before consuming the full dose. Those who ever need more than two scoops are in the minority. I personally have never had to use more than 1.5 scoops. And Jack3d never failed me. Workout after workout.
 
jack3d is my all time favorite pre workout, i only use 1 1/2 scoops at most and i'm gtg, i have another friend who used to take it before he went out at night lol because of the energy and because it made him more social, i've tried many other pre workouts that include the "new" preworkouts that claim to be better than jack3d and haven't been overly impressed.....but i must say my first bottle of jacked i enjoyed more than the reforumulated jack3d
 
strategicmove said:
Why LOL? Serving size is one scoop, and the directions recommend to assess tolerance before consuming the full dose. Those who ever need more than two scoops are in the minority. I personally have never had to use more than 1.5 scoops. And Jack3d never failed me. Workout after workout.
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I have to agree with Strategic here and this is why. Jack3d is ridiculously potent for how little the serving size is. I cannot take 3 scoops of Jack3d unless I plan on killing it in the gym, running a mini-marathon and then being ok with getting to sleep at 2 AM. When you look at the ingredients it does not seem to make sense that 2 scoops will have me that wired and focused but the synergy in it is bar none one of the best I have ever tried. Is it my favorite, that is a toss up BUT it is the one that I will ALWAYS recommend to someone to try as a first pre-workout product. It never fails anyone I have recommended it to and for an AM lifter/trainer, 1-2 scoops is like a mule kick to the arse!
 
Grey Warden said:
lol jacked's own product label recommends using 3 scoops. each user in this thread who had already used jacked said they needed at least 3 scoops.
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I don't know why you say this. Even some of the competitive BB/PLs on here that take Jack3d don't even that 3 scoops. If you are that stim tolerant that you need that much, give your adrenals a break and try it again or find something else that is crazy stim loaded to suit your needs. NP has plenty of options, find one you want but don't bash a quality and inexpensive product just because you are in the extreme minority.
 
oufinny said:
I don't know why you say this. Even some of the competitive BB/PLs on here that take Jack3d don't even that 3 scoops. If you are that stim tolerant that you need that much, give your adrenals a break and try it again or find something else that is crazy stim loaded to suit your needs. NP has plenty of options, find one you want but don't bash a quality and inexpensive product just because you are in the extreme minority.
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taking 2 scoops was too much for me. I didnt like it at all. When i used jack3d there was a VERY fine line between just right and feeling like a crackhead.

im using maximize v2 now and found 1.5 scoops is best for me.

The serving varies so much between person to person. Ive seen guys taking 3-5 scoops of Jack3d/Noxplode and then guys who get insane energy off 1 scoop... it all depends on the person
 
I'm looking to switch to a different pre-w/o and I've narrowed my choices to:
Maximize v2 + Hemavol
Clout + BodyOctane

Some will say the latter is a better option because it's stim-free, but since the pre-w/o I'm currently using is not stim-free, I'm wondering how it would be acclimating to that. Comments?
 
waverebelfore said:
Ok guys thanks for all your help....

just so people know what i decided on and if anyone has any questions hopefully I answer them about your pre workout supps

I bought
Superpump250
Creatine Monohydrate powder
Xtend
Hemavol
and Aminodrol

I am stacking them like this:

Pre workout:
-1 scoop Superpump250
-2/5 grams of Creatine Monohydrate (since super pump is a proprietary blend I add some creatine to get a full 5gs pre workouts)
-Aminodrol 3 pills
-one dose of Hemoval

During workout:
4 scoops Xtend

Post workout:
-1 and 1/2 scoops whey protein + 1/2 scoop casein + 5 gs creatine
-Aminodrol

hope this helps anyone looking for a good stack. I played around with the doses even at my weight because of some over lap that exhists between supps
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Sounds like quite a mix there!
 
iForce Dave said:
taking 2 scoops was too much for me. I didnt like it at all. When i used jack3d there was a VERY fine line between just right and feeling like a crackhead.

im using maximize v2 now and found 1.5 scoops is best for me.

The serving varies so much between person to person. Ive seen guys taking 3-5 scoops of Jack3d/Noxplode and then guys who get insane energy off 1 scoop... it all depends on the person
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I am going to have to try maximize sometime soon based on a lot of the reviews that it has been getting. I do like that the servings are versatile like Jack3d is and is potent enough that you don't need 3 to get going. Funny you mention feeling like a crackhead, I don't know what it is with Jack3d that gives that feeling considering it is not a ton of caffeine per scoop (65 mg I believe) but it packs a mean punch... I too cannot do 3 scoops, WAY too much stim and it detracts from the workout.
 
simonsez said:
I'm looking to switch to a different pre-w/o and I've narrowed my choices to:
Maximize v2 + Hemavol
Clout + BodyOctane

Some will say the latter is a better option because it's stim-free, but since the pre-w/o I'm currently using is not stim-free, I'm wondering how it would be acclimating to that. Comments?
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Those are two great choices IMO. It might be a good idea to take a break from some stims though if you have been on them for awhile. You could go with the second stack to take a break from stims and then move to the first one and it should be even more effective.
 
bolt10 said:
Those are two great choices IMO. It might be a good idea to take a break from some stims though if you have been on them for awhile.
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Not a bad idea. I'm just wondering if my workouts would turn into more of an ordeal without that little kick in the butt. Then again, I'm pretty stim-resistant to begin with... I'm one of those people who can have a mug of coffee at 11:30 at night and be sound asleep by midnight. So maybe for me it's mostly placebo effect to begin with.
 
simonsez said:
Not a bad idea. I'm just wondering if my workouts would turn into more of an ordeal without that little kick in the butt. Then again, I'm pretty stim-resistant to begin with... I'm one of those people who can have a mug of coffee at 11:30 at night and be sound asleep by midnight. So maybe for me it's mostly placebo effect to begin with.
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I $hit you not I had 9 cups of coffee between 11pm-130am last Saturday, got home around 230am, and was dead asleep by 3am.
 
Smash Full Loaded is the best to me.

Jacked-Didnt feel anything
Superpump-Ok, but needs more creatine
WhiteFLood=Holy cardiac arrest batman...too stimmed
RagNOrok-Pretty Solid overall,some things are a tad underdosed
Black Powder-too much stim

Most of the time I like to make my own Pre-WO, but when I dont, I like Smash

And before the USP trolls come at me, yes I have tried Jacked, yes a whole tub, and yes I really dont like it. So relax.
 
Irish Cannon said:
I $hit you not I had 9 cups of coffee between 11pm-130am last Saturday, got home around 230am, and was dead asleep by 3am.
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Scott you are one crazy SOB if you can do that. I have to watch taking more than 1.25 scoops of AS-GT and 3 of AP together or I won't sleep at night... and I take it at 4 PM! It great because it stretches the pocket book but sometimes I would like to be able to take 3 scoops to see what it is like but I would never sleep! :lol:
 
ckozlgod said:
Smash Full Loaded is the best to me.

Jacked-Didnt feel anything
Superpump-Ok, but needs more creatine
WhiteFLood=Holy cardiac arrest batman...too stimmed
RagNOrok-Pretty Solid overall,some things are a tad underdosed
Black Powder-too much stim

Most of the time I like to make my own Pre-WO, but when I dont, I like Smash

And before the USP trolls come at me, yes I have tried Jacked, yes a whole tub, and yes I really dont like it. So relax.
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Nothing wrong with being honest about not liking it man. I have tried all you listed and agree on SP 250/WF/BP, all are not high on my list. Rag is good stuff though and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it. I am a big supporter of both Jack3d and AS-GT, both have never done me wrong. The only reason people get really bent out of shape about Jack3d is most of the time people just bash without explaining why it didn't work. Anyways, I am off my soap box now.
 
ckozlgod said:
Smash Full Loaded is the best to me.

Jacked-Didnt feel anything
Superpump-Ok, but needs more creatine
WhiteFLood=Holy cardiac arrest batman...too stimmed
RagNOrok-Pretty Solid overall,some things are a tad underdosed
Black Powder-too much stim

Most of the time I like to make my own Pre-WO, but when I dont, I like Smash

And before the USP trolls come at me, yes I have tried Jacked, yes a whole tub, and yes I really dont like it. So relax.
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Smash FL is solid.

My powder list:

ASGT
Smash FL/Ragnarok (hard to decide here)

...if I need a full-on pre-workout performance powder but I'm training at night, I have to use the stim-free Rag or Anadraulic Pump. It really depends on my workouts.
 
Ragnorok is one of the best supplements ever made imo. I love Jack3d though all around when you consider what it has in it with what you have to pay for it; there is no competition.
 
I was always a huge jack3d fan, couldnt find anything that came close to it....then i tried muscle marinade.

I alternate jack3d and muscle marinade every other week but I have to say I def enjoy the marinade weeks better. I didnt use a full dose of marinade for 2 weeks.
 
RCL86 said:
I was always a huge jack3d fan, couldnt find anything that came close to it....then i tried muscle marinade.

I alternate jack3d and muscle marinade every other week but I have to say I def enjoy the marinade weeks better. I didnt use a full dose of marinade for 2 weeks.
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i also alternated jack3d and marinade, but i'm the opposite, i prefer jack3d for flavor, energy, and workout intensity.....marinade is getting hard to stomach, the flavor isn't bad, but when it comes time to drink it i'm not excited at all, i also feel bloated for like 10 minutes after i drink it and i get energy from marinade but more of a calm energy, but i like that on edge ready to kill the weights energy
 
Young Gotti said:
i also alternated jack3d and marinade, but i'm the opposite, i prefer jack3d for flavor, energy, and workout intensity.....marinade is getting hard to stomach, the flavor isn't bad, but when it comes time to drink it i'm not excited at all, i also feel bloated for like 10 minutes after i drink it and i get energy from marinade but more of a calm energy, but i like that on edge ready to kill the weights energy
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You just described 2 scoops of AS-GT right there. Or Jack3d, both make me want to kill weights after a healthy serving.
 
oufinny said:
You just described 2 scoops of AS-GT right there. Or Jack3d, both make me want to kill weights after a healthy serving.
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Got some AS-GT coming in the mail as we speak haha, heard the taste is awful but that only half a scoop works wonders
 
Young Gotti said:
Got some AS-GT coming in the mail as we speak haha, heard the taste is awful but that only half a scoop works wonders
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I have to disagree with you on the taste, it is just fine if you ask me. I have had WAY, I stress WAY, worse pwo drinks. The original was flat out nasty, this is a marked improvement and I think you really need 1 scoop to get the full benefit. Heck, I take 2 on Fridays because I don't have to worry about sleep issues and it is a wild ride. That and 3 scoops of Anadraulic Pump, you are a beast on a mission for PRs and people in the way are killed or eaten for fuel. :sgrin:
 
oufinny said:
I have to disagree with you on the taste, it is just fine if you ask me. I have had WAY, I stress WAY, worse pwo drinks. The original was flat out nasty, this is a marked improvement and I think you really need 1 scoop to get the full benefit. Heck, I take 2 on Fridays because I don't have to worry about sleep issues and it is a wild ride. That and 3 scoops of Anadraulic Pump, you are a beast on a mission for PRs and people in the way are killed or eaten for fuel. :sgrin:
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maybe i was reading about the old stuff then, i haven't tried either, and i agree it can't be any worse than jp8 lemonade flavor...that stuff was the worst thing i ever tasted, i couldn't give that stuff away if i wanted
 
Young Gotti said:
maybe i was reading about the old stuff then, i haven't tried either, and i agree it can't be any worse than jp8 lemonade flavor...that stuff was the worst thing i ever tasted, i couldn't give that stuff away if i wanted
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That is funny you mention JP8, I have Ether level 1 and it was flat out nasty. It was a rock hard brown clump of bad smelling/tasting/after tasting crap. I lost all interest in Get Diesel after that and DTHC doing nothing for me. You just put the nail in the coffin for me with that brand since I trust your judgment after reading your log for AI.
 
oufinny said:
That is funny you mention JP8, I have Ether level 1 and it was flat out nasty. It was a rock hard brown clump of bad smelling/tasting/after tasting crap. I lost all interest in Get Diesel after that and DTHC doing nothing for me. You just put the nail in the coffin for me with that brand since I trust your judgment after reading your log for AI.
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yeah thats how the jp8 was, brown sand looking stuff, it was awful, i tried mixing it with gatorade and it made the gatorade terrible, i also put the company to the side after i took Ready for War and i had the worst feeling in the world even after 1 pill and then had high blood pressure....oh and btw i took one scoop in water to work with me once, 6 ppl couldn't drink 8oz's of the stuff, everyone took one sip and no one came back for more
 
oufinny said:
I am going to have to try maximize sometime soon based on a lot of the reviews that it has been getting. I do like that the servings are versatile like Jack3d is and is potent enough that you don't need 3 to get going. Funny you mention feeling like a crackhead, I don't know what it is with Jack3d that gives that feeling considering it is not a ton of caffeine per scoop (65 mg I believe) but it packs a mean punch... I too cannot do 3 scoops, WAY too much stim and it detracts from the workout.
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I think you would like MaximizeV2 a lot. The reviews have been great.

Id like to see what you think in comparison between the others you used.
 
iForce Dave said:
I think you would like MaximizeV2 a lot. The reviews have been great.

Id like to see what you think in comparison between the others you used.
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Would be glad to though I have 2 AS-GT tubs unopened at home along with the one I am almost done with. Is there a sample I can purchase or get my hands on by chance? I would be glad to do a review for you guys in exchange and compare it to 3-4 that I have used and like. PM me if you want to set something like this up. It will be a while before I order a new one most likely or my GF will kill me... my supp cabinets are getting full!
 
oufinny said:
Would be glad to though I have 2 AS-GT tubs unopened at home along with the one I am almost done with. Is there a sample I can purchase or get my hands on by chance? I would be glad to do a review for you guys in exchange and compare it to 3-4 that I have used and like. PM me if you want to set something like this up. It will be a while before I order a new one most likely or my GF will kill me... my supp cabinets are getting full!
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unfortunately right now we only have hemavol and adipoxil samples :/
 
iForce Dave said:
unfortunately right now we only have hemavol and adipoxil samples :/
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I would really like to compare Hemavol to my stand by Anadraulic Pump, I am really curious how a non-arginine based supp will work in regards to pump.
 
i think i posted on this thread already, but im running N.O.Ignite right now, and i enjoy it.

also had great results with Muscle Marinade this year already.. just as far as new products go.

Quake 10.0 is what i'm trying next :)
 
I still think that everything, at least for me, has to be better than both Jack3d and AS-GT to be considered the best and I haven't ran into anything yet. I have not tried a few of the newer ones like Maximize V2 or Muscle Marinade but I really don't see them being leaps and bounds better. If they are though, I will be the first to admit it BUT it all has to be taken with a grain of salt, everyone responds different to each product.
 
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