Natadrol vs Prime

[MrKleen73]

Taking Natadrol or Methyl will help you gain size while hardening also, your point?

I didn't mention anything about Natadrol or Methyl, I referred only to your dismissive response regarding PRIME, and your training prescription for harder muscles as if the results were the same type of muscle hardness and they are not. They are referring to an implied feeling and appearance of muscle maturity even in newly trained athletes.

Unless severely undertrained i doubt you will see muscular growth in your biceps with what you are doing. Insane and crazy stamina, serious muscle hardness... yes. Larger and fulller WHILE being harder, NO I don't see that happening. Fast twitch muscle fibers hold/retain A LOT more glycogen than Slow twitch fibers. You working the stamina and endurance attributes predominantly with that workout increases the amount of type IIb fibers being forced to compensate by leaning more toward thier Type I attributes. Hence harder muscles due to less volume of glycogen so that it can use the oxidative energy source of fat for it's ATP source; as opposed to a muscle harder and fuller via being stuffed full of glycogen. Muscle fiber isn't like a car tire where it stays the same size even when empty if not under pressure the muscle fibers elasticity IS the source of pressure. If nothing is filling the fiber it collapses in on itself becoming denser by loss of volume, If it is full to the gills it is harder and denser by increasing it's volume to the point it has both it's imposed elasticity creating external pressure and the internal pressure of being full of glycogen. Are these two types of hardness the same? No Sir.
The comparison you made regarding your training method and the claim on the bottle is completely innaccurrate in the sense they cause to different types of muscle hardness. I for one will take full hard muscles anyday...


I guess my point was really... Don't let your disdain for PRIME get you so onesided you say / imply ridiculous things like 1000 reps with a 6 pound weight while on the treadmill will get you big, full and hard muscles. Stuff like that really detracts from the value of your other posts even if they are actually accurate.

I have absolutely no boubt that Natadrol and or Methyl will help gain size and muscle hardening. As a matter of fact I said something along the lines of KAFUGGINGBOOM I am going to blow up about adding Nata into my stack correct???

From the loggers I have followed on Nata love it. They love the muscle fullness, vascularity, strength increases and added LBM. I trust these guys from experience in sharing similiar experiences to what they have on various products. I experience great things with PRIME as well. However i don't feel it needs to be mega dosed to get great results. With the current dosing 6 caps a day would do just fine at least for me.

Also someone back there somewhere said that from all the Natadrol logs they read nobody felt anything off the first bottle... DO WHAT???? What logs did you read? The ones I read they all noticed something in the first 5 days (not just the increased urination for you dismissive phuckers), and strength increases by the 7-10th day. I am curious what logs you were reading that said they didn't feel anything until they got into their second bottle.

 

[Killerkanadia]

:thinking:

 

[maddog28]

i am taking prime anabolic pump rpm/drive would i be able to stack all of thaat with natodrol or what should i do?!

 

[Irish Cannon]

PRIME: Awesome strength increases on a couple lifts while on (leg movements only; bench stayed the same), but strength PLUMMETED when I came off; great density; no negative side effects

Natadrol: Insane body recomp; solid aggression; crazy intensity; great fat loss; solid muscle density; Sides are some slight headaches if I don't take in water, light acne...I've only been on for three weeks so far.

 

[maddog28]

so do you think i would be alright to take both at the same time? prime and natodrol?

 

[Killerkanadia]

Also someone back there somewhere said that from all the Natadrol logs they read nobody felt anything off the first bottle... DO WHAT???? What logs did you read? The ones I read they all noticed something in the first 5 days (not just the increased urination for you dismissive phuckers), and strength increases by the 7-10th day. I am curious what logs you were reading that said they didn't feel anything until they got into their second bottle.

I don't really care to dig through the logs and find what i'm talking about but i will clarify what i ment.

A lot of users start feeling it anywhere from 4-10 days. But to get the real benefits from Natadrol, most people seem to say you need to be on it atleast past week three. Thus making a 6 or 8 week run the most effective.

I'm on day 12 of taking Natadrol dosed at 8 caps a day and i definitely feel it working, but i still have more expectations i hope for it to meet with my next 2 bottles.

 

[Killerkanadia]

so do you think i would be alright to take both at the same time? prime and natodrol?

Yeah

 

[Irish Cannon]

so do you think i would be alright to take both at the same time? prime and natodrol?

Absolutely.

 

[BigBeazy]

I didn't mention anything about Natadrol or Methyl, I referred only to your dismissive response regarding PRIME, and your training prescription for harder muscles as if the results were the same type of muscle hardness and they are not. They are referring to an implied feeling and appearance of muscle maturity even in newly trained athletes.

Unless severely undertrained i doubt you will see muscular growth in your biceps with what you are doing. Insane and crazy stamina, serious muscle hardness... yes. Larger and fulller WHILE being harder, NO I don't see that happening. Fast twitch muscle fibers hold/retain A LOT more glycogen than Slow twitch fibers. You working the stamina and endurance attributes predominantly with that workout increases the amount of type IIb fibers being forced to compensate by leaning more toward thier Type I attributes. Hence harder muscles due to less volume of glycogen so that it can use the oxidative energy source of fat for it's ATP source; as opposed to a muscle harder and fuller via being stuffed full of glycogen. Muscle fiber isn't like a car tire where it stays the same size even when empty if not under pressure the muscle fibers elasticity IS the source of pressure. If nothing is filling the fiber it collapses in on itself becoming denser by loss of volume, If it is full to the gills it is harder and denser by increasing it's volume to the point it has both it's imposed elasticity creating external pressure and the internal pressure of being full of glycogen. Are these two types of hardness the same? No Sir.
The comparison you made regarding your training method and the claim on the bottle is completely innaccurrate in the sense they cause to different types of muscle hardness. I for one will take full hard muscles anyday...


I guess my point was really... Don't let your disdain for PRIME get you so onesided you say / imply ridiculous things like 1000 reps with a 6 pound weight while on the treadmill will get you big, full and hard muscles. Stuff like that really detracts from the value of your other posts even if they are actually accurate.

I have absolutely no boubt that Natadrol and or Methyl will help gain size and muscle hardening. As a matter of fact I said something along the lines of KAFUGGINGBOOM I am going to blow up about adding Nata into my stack correct???

From the loggers I have followed on Nata love it. They love the muscle fullness, vascularity, strength increases and added LBM. I trust these guys from experience in sharing similiar experiences to what they have on various products. I experience great things with PRIME as well. However i don't feel it needs to be mega dosed to get great results. With the current dosing 6 caps a day would do just fine at least for me.

Also someone back there somewhere said that from all the Natadrol logs they read nobody felt anything off the first bottle... DO WHAT???? What logs did you read? The ones I read they all noticed something in the first 5 days (not just the increased urination for you dismissive phuckers), and strength increases by the 7-10th day. I am curious what logs you were reading that said they didn't feel anything until they got into their second bottle.

Where did i state iin my post that is was meant for growth? Any idiot would know that you cant grow big biceps that way. Its my way of gaining better stamina and harder more dense muscle. I know what works for my body, and well this does. Example, my younger brother doesn't do the million rep thing. He has pretty big bi's but they are really kinda soft.

My post about Methyl and Natadrol was that its not only Prime that can give you bigger denser muscles. People on that god dam USP fan bandgwagon seem to think that its Anabolic effects are out of this world.

Im really not trying to attack you in any way shape or form. I just hate people going on the bandwagon and all the lies and b.s. associated with USP. Im not going to lie, i used to love there stuff, but the more knowledgeable and the more I get to know about this stuff, I hate them.

 

[MrKleen73]

I don't really care to dig through the logs and find what i'm talking about but i will clarify what i ment.

A lot of users start feeling it anywhere from 4-10 days. But to get the real benefits from Natadrol, most people seem to say you need to be on it atleast past week three. Thus making a 6 or 8 week run the most effective.

I'm on day 12 of taking Natadrol dosed at 8 caps a day and i definitely feel it working, but i still have more expectations i hope for it to meet with my next 2 bottles.

No need to look, perfect explaination brother!

I agree there. I think all natural based products like these two, or natty test boosters all do best with 6-12 week cycles, but it is just a very hard to sell that all at once. I think "most" companies will only offer up a months worth of stuff at a time because consumers have subconsciously implied spending limits. It is easier for them to let go of 40 bucks than 80 for a bottle even if the bottle has twice the amount of supplements in it. That and often times people aren't willing to commit to using a product for 8-12 weeks if they aren't sure how good it will be. So it is easier to get them to by a bottle and then they will order more to accomodate the need once they know if they like the product. It is just easier to get someone to toss up 40 for a product 3 times than it is to get them to part with 120 once.

 

[hoopem6]

As I've previously stated in another thread regarding Prime:

My only "concern" at this point is the dosing. It seems as though in order to achieve pronounced results, users typically require 9-10 servings (yielding a little over two weeks use for one 120 ct. bottle)...

 

[MrKleen73]

Where did i state iin my post that is was meant for growth? Any idiot would know that you cant grow big biceps that way. Its my way of gaining better stamina and harder more dense muscle. I know what works for my body, and well this does. Example, my younger brother doesn't do the million rep thing. He has pretty big bi's but they are really kinda soft.

My post about Methyl and Natadrol was that its not only Prime that can give you bigger denser muscles. People on that god dam USP fan bandgwagon seem to think that its Anabolic effects are out of this world.

Im really not trying to attack you in any way shape or form. I just hate people going on the bandwagon and all the lies and b.s. associated with USP. Im not going to lie, i used to love there stuff, but the more knowledgeable and the more I get to know about this stuff, I hate them.

Fair enough, at least you are completely honest in your distaste for the company. I only wanted to say that the original way you came off made you sound petty instead of trying to be helpful. Maybe I got it wrong but the tone of the comment seemed sarcastic regarding muscle hardness, and you being able to do the "same" thing with the high reps you mentioned. If that was not your intention I apologize. If it was your intention, you will be recieved better by stating your dislike for the company or product without sarcasm and then not beating the dead dog.

I know it isn;'t my place, but you develop a reputation by what you do and say here and would rather see you with a postive one PImpin!

 

[Irish Cannon]

As I've previously stated in another thread regarding Prime:

My only "concern" at this point is the dosing. It seems as though in order to achieve pronounced results, users typically require 9-10 servings (yielding a little over two weeks use for one 120 ct. bottle)...

In my case, 6 caps was just as effective as 12.

...my only concern is I don't know WTF it does in my body. lol

 

[BigBeazy]

Fair enough, at least you are completely honest in your distaste for the company. I only wanted to say that the original way you came off made you sound petty instead of trying to be helpful. Maybe I got it wrong but the tone of the comment seemed sarcastic regarding muscle hardness, and you being able to do the "same" thing with the high reps you mentioned. If that was not your intention I apologize. If it was your intention, you will be recieved better by stating your dislike for the company or product without sarcasm and then not beating the dead dog.

I know it isn;'t my place, but you develop a reputation by what you do and say here and would rather see you with a postive one PImpin!

I am positive on most products! Lol. There are just so many fake people nowa' days that you can't tell whats what. I just give my opinion on everything. It helps, good, If it doesnt, at least i tried.

 

[Killerkanadia]

As I've previously stated in another thread regarding Prime:

My only "concern" at this point is the dosing. It seems as though in order to achieve pronounced results, users typically require 9-10 servings (yielding a little over two weeks use for one 120 ct. bottle)...

I've never tried prime, but i want to. I just don't know if i want to spend $80 on two bottles if it's a hit or miss product.

I picked up Natadrol for $25 a bottle, so 6 weeks for $75, ain't bad to say the least. I've done worse for sure.

Moral of the story, I think USPlabs knows they need a Prime sale!

 

[Army Guy]

I've never tried prime, but i want to. I just don't know if i want to spend $80 on two bottles if it's a hit or miss product.

I picked up Natadrol for $25 a bottle, so 6 weeks for $75, ain't bad to say the least. I've done worse for sure.

Moral of the story, I think USPlabs knows they need a Prime sale!

I agree!!! all in favor say Aye!!
AYE
the Aye's have it!

 

[Inarius]

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[hoopem6]

In my case, 6 caps was just as effective as 12.

...my only concern is I don't know WTF it does in my body. lol

Exactly! I'd assume most of its' users are also unaware.

Additionally, it doesn't help that every Prime advertisement reads like Anabolic Halo's product description...

I've never tried prime, but i want to. I just don't know if i want to spend $80 on two bottles if it's a hit or miss product.

I picked up Natadrol for $25 a bottle, so 6 weeks for $75, ain't bad to say the least. I've done worse for sure.

Moral of the story, I think USPlabs knows they need a Prime sale!

The cheapest I've found Prime for is $38 shipped. Following the 69 protocol, I'd be paying +$2.50 a serving ($38/15 days, 5 on 2 off, 9-6-9-6-9 @ 39 capsules per week for 3 weeks)... Now I know from first hand experience that Natadrol can be dosed at the minimum recommendation (4 capsules) and still be very effective. But I have yet to come across any information regarding Prime's effects at lower dosages...

 

[MrKleen73]

Exactly! I'd assume most of its' users are also unaware.

Additionally, it doesn't help that every Prime advertisement reads like Anabolic Halo's product description...



The cheapest I've found Prime for is $38 shipped. Following the 69 protocol, I'd be paying +$2.50 a serving ($38/15 days, 5 on 2 off, 9-6-9-6-9 @ 39 capsules per week for 3 weeks)... Now I know from first hand experience that Natadrol can be dosed at the minimum recommendation (4 capsules) and still be very effective. But I have yet to come across any information regarding Prime's effects at lower dosages...

Good post. PRIME works well at the suggested dose of 6 caps, it worked well with my wife at 4 caps with the new stuff. Even before they upped the dose 6 caps was 3600mg, 4 caps of the new dose is 3200, 6 caps of the new is 1 the equivalent of 8 of the old ones. You could easily run it at 4-5 caps and still see good results. I think strength is the biggest thing that goes up with higher doses. A good idea might be to just run 4 Nata and 4 PRIME at the same time and see what happens.

However bang for your buck Natabolic Stack is pretty cheap getting it all at once and is enough for 6 weeks of Nata at 4-6 caps a day with Ghenerate 6 sprays morning and evening for 10 weeks, and Formadrol Extreme for pct which comes to a total of 10 weeks for the entire stack under $100, I don't see it here but I hope they pick it up soon. That is what I bought and will be running some of it integrated with my SWOLE Stack. I have a feeling Nata with a Test Booster will be awesome. PRIME does better with a T Booster as well. Great synergy there. Before anyone asks, Yes I have done the test boosters by themselves to know the difference...

 

[Killerkanadia]

I think they were going to put Pink Magic in the Asteroid stack, which would make it very interesting if you were a firm responder to Prime.

 

[MrKleen73]

I think the may create a new name for any stack they put it in. If that was the Asteroid stack then the Next may be the Universal Stack or the Astronomical Stack. Some way to market it as new and better.

 

[hoopem6]

Good post. PRIME works well at the suggested dose of 6 caps, it worked well with my wife at 4 caps with the new stuff. Even before they upped the dose 6 caps was 3600mg, 4 caps of the new dose is 3200, 6 caps of the new is 1 the equivalent of 8 of the old ones. You could easily run it at 4-5 caps and still see good results. I think strength is the biggest thing that goes up with higher doses. A good idea might be to just run 4 Nata and 4 PRIME at the same time and see what happens.

However bang for your buck Natabolic Stack is pretty cheap getting it all at once and is enough for 6 weeks of Nata at 4-6 caps a day with Ghenerate 6 sprays morning and evening for 10 weeks, and Formadrol Extreme for pct which comes to a total of 10 weeks for the entire stack under $100, I don't see it here but I hope they pick it up soon. That is what I bought and will be running some of it integrated with my SWOLE Stack. I have a feeling Nata with a Test Booster will be awesome. PRIME does better with a T Booster as well. Great synergy there. Before anyone asks, Yes I have done the test boosters by themselves to know the difference...

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I actually picked up the Natabolic Stack at the Arnold Classic for $50 (including a t-shirt and shaker cup)! However, I will not be running this stack for another couple of months.

I am also considering adding Prime to the Natabolic Stack, but that is completely dependent on what new supplementation arises over that period of time.

 

[MrKleen73]

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I actually picked up the Natabolic Stack at the Arnold Classic for $50 (including a t-shirt and shaker cup)! However, I will not be running this stack for another couple of months.

I am also considering adding Prime to the Natabolic Stack, but that is completely dependent on what new supplementation arises over that period of time.

I am gonna go check that out Hoop, thanks for the link.

 

[liftallday123]

i took two bottles of prime back to back and got great results. the first bottle i began with 6 pills a day (2 at breakfeast, pre workout meal, and dinner) When getting to my second bottle i highered the dosage to 9 pills a day ( 3 at breakfeast, pre workout meal, and dinner).

 

[Killerkanadia]

Exactly! I'd assume most of its' users are also unaware.

How does USPLabs Prime work?
This is an interesting question. Because we found no evidence for androgenic activity, we believe it to have anti-glucocorticoid effects, providing a possible mechanism for the increase muscle mass seen with USPLabs Prime. It may also be something related to improved nutrient absorption or utilization.

I'm not sure they know how it works, lol.

 

[Killerkanadia]

I will probably pick up 2 bottles of Prime and dose it 6 a day 5 on 2 off for the first bottle and see what i think i should do with the second. Probably stack it with 2 bottles of pyhto-test because i've been meaning to try that too.

 

[MHA]

I'm not sure they know how it works, lol.

"the world may never know"

 

[flightposite]

ive dosed prime as high as 14 and as low as 6 caps didnt notice any thing in terms of strength or alpha male only things i noticed were slightly bigger appetite and i got sleepy when i dosed at 12 caps or higher.

 

[ProteinMurder]

I cant comment on effectivness of Prime as I have not run it....But Im Liking my Natadrol so far and i caught the sale. For a $100 delivered to Aus is a really good deal for three bottles! Im runnning 8 a day and will get 6 weeks out of that.
That kind of value for money is what we should all expect for natural products, and these companies should know it. Something like Prime which is a "maybe" and has alot of non-responders is MASSIVELY over priced. I wish the more people would bouycot such practices.
If the consumer all just laughed at ridiculous prices for maybe products like Prime,(and to be fair, any natural "test Booster") then we would all very quickly see supplement companies wake up, and pricing fall to a much better level. One more consistent with what the product is. Anything natural is always gonna be a maybe, and should be priced as such.
Pricing in this industry is out of hand, along with the "bottle falls just short of a month" syndrome.
Well done on the Sale LG. Its the only time I'll buy anything like this.

 

[VolcomX311]

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The philosorapter is awesome.

 

[VolcomX311]

In my case, 6 caps was just as effective as 12.

...my only concern is I don't know WTF it does in my body. lol

lol, same here.

 

[strategicmove]

...People on that god dam USP fan bandgwagon seem to think that its Anabolic effects are out of this world....

Where is the problem, if they actually think so, especially if they provided their feedback within the context of a non-sponsored log?

Im really not trying to attack you in any way shape or form. I just hate people going on the bandwagon and all the lies and b.s. associated with USP. Im not going to lie, i used to love there stuff, but the more knowledgeable and the more I get to know about this stuff, I hate them.

1) What are these "lies and B.S"?
2) Their stuff worked for you until you got more knowledgeable? Interesting!
3) You do not have to like USPLabs, but desist from making unfounded claims to justify your dislike.

 

[strategicmove]

As I've previously stated in another thread regarding Prime:

My only "concern" at this point is the dosing. It seems as though in order to achieve pronounced results, users typically require 9-10 servings (yielding a little over two weeks use for one 120 ct. bottle)...

This is not entirely accurate. A lot of users are satisfied with six capsules per day, while some see improved results with higher dosing. The nine capsules you allude to probably refer to the so-called "6/9 Protocol": Nine capsules on workout days and six capsules on non-workout days; with one day completely off (= zero PRIME dosage).

 

[strategicmove]

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...my only concern is I don't know WTF it does in my body. lol

We addressed the issue of PRIME's mechanism of action in the thread on the study conducted on PRIME (I cannot post the link here, as I am typing from my mobile phone). PRIME works, although its unique mechanism of action is unknown. What is known is that it is safe, and exerts a non-hormonal action.

 

[strategicmove]

...

Additionally, it doesn't help that every Prime advertisement reads like Anabolic Halo's product description...

We have addressed related comments earlier.

The cheapest I've found Prime for is $38 shipped. Following the 69 protocol, I'd be paying +$2.50 a serving ($38/15 days, 5 on 2 off, 9-6-9-6-9 @ 39 capsules per week for 3 weeks)... Now I know from first hand experience that Natadrol can be dosed at the minimum recommendation (4 capsules) and still be very effective. But I have yet to come across any information regarding Prime's effects at lower dosages...

The minimum recommended dosage for PRIME is six capsules per day. Even in this thread, many have reported great results at this minimum dosage.

 

[strategicmove]

I'm not sure they know how it works, lol.

Not sure what there is to "lol" about. While some companies would claim a particular MoA (hoping that users would be unable to refute it), USPLabs went further than most would, and commissioned an independent study on PRIME's MoA, partly due to the novel application of the ingredients to bodybuilding and fitness.

 

[strategicmove]

I cant comment on effectivness of Prime as I have not run it....But Im Liking my Natadrol so far and i caught the sale. For a $100 delivered to Aus is a really good deal for three bottles! Im runnning 8 a day and will get 6 weeks out of that.
That kind of value for money is what we should all expect for natural products, and these companies should know it. Something like Prime which is a "maybe" and has alot of non-responders is MASSIVELY over priced. I wish the more people would bouycot such practices.
If the consumer all just laughed at ridiculous prices for maybe products like Prime,(and to be fair, any natural "test Booster") then we would all very quickly see supplement companies wake up, and pricing fall to a much better level. One more consistent with what the product is. Anything natural is always gonna be a maybe, and should be priced as such.
Pricing in this industry is out of hand, along with the "bottle falls just short of a month" syndrome.
Well done on the Sale LG. Its the only time I'll buy anything like this.

With all due respect, PRIME is not "massively overpriced" and does not have that many "non-responders" at the recommended dosage. [We have had users asking if they could take one capsule of PRIME three times daily, to "stretch" the bottle!!! At such doses, "non-response" is inevitable. This is not to imply, though, that all cases of PRIME non-response are traceable to underdosing]. Although there are PRIME sales from time to time at NutraPlanet, it is not practical to expect high-quality pharmaceutical grade herbal products to be available at rock-bottom prices, especially if their active ingredients are hard to source.

 

[hardknock]

Exactly my point. It took a while so at first you where upset about it, am i right? But then again if another user saw that review of you not liking it for the first few days, that person wouldn't buy it and would miss out on an amazing product.

Depends on what the person is looking for.

Let us say that you took natadrol and for 6 weeks and it put on 25lbs of muscle (yeah, wink) but you vomited everyday for the first 2 weeks.

Now, this would be something that I would be looking for as my daily schedule would not allow myself to be in a area where I could "toss my cookies" if i needed to. So, I would only be particularly interested in those first 1-2 weeks, as well as the last 4 weeks.

All I am saying is that depending on the person(and reason), your overall log is important and not just the end results. I personally do not like looking at logs until the person has started. I hate looking at a log that is 3 pages long with just chit/chat before the dosing starts, which is why I quit reading logs about a year ago. (i read from the last page in reverse)

 

[hardknock]

I didn't dose on off days, even though i should have. I prolonged it.

I didn't give out information back in the Trifecta thread because I really didnt see or experience much until the end, like i said. Why would I tell him I don't like it even thought I haven't finished the bottle? This is again, why i don't release my opinion until the end, and you should respect that.

I personally do not know the suggested duration for Natadrol because I do not have the bottle with me at this time. I went upon user feed back which is more than likely better than coporate ones IMO.

I bought one bottle of Prime back in HS a year ago. I finished the whole thing and I didn't like it one bit. Plus, Its too expensive to waste money on that garbage so why should i try it again? Unless USP can prove to me and show me its not garbage, Im still going to claim it is. Maybe they re-vamped the formula or whatever, I don't care im not wasting my money on bull.

Thats another thing, USP got me hooked with Jacked. I love that stuff. And eventually it kinda started sucking. Anabolic Pump, amazing concept, just didn't work. OEP, this is the worst fat Burner i have ever tried. I boosted up to three capsules instead of one and not a dam thing. No thermogenic effect at all, and its more of an appetite increaser that anything. My buddy when taking it just got jittery and hated it also.

One thing I found out from the sales person from USP visiting my Vitamin shop in Febuary, the "Inner Circle" is a freaking Joke. Turns out these D-bags run around to various shops or w.e. giving their products great reviews for people to buy it. I found this out also from a reply on OEP on Nutra, and once trying to become a "Inner Circle" member myself one day long ago.

PowerFULL: I haven't tried to many GH boosters in my day, but I know for sure this one sucked. I really didn't notice anything during the day when taking it. At night, I woke up ever 2 1/2 hours like clock work, and this also lasted about 4 days after I stopped taking it. I hated this crap with a passion.

I used to be so loyal to USP labs, I loved their Jack3d and I went ahead and started trying all their products. I don't know what happened there.

My understanding was that you mentioned that you dosed the product several periods ago yet came back and said that you just finished.

It cannot be both or neither, it has to be either one.

Either I read it wrong, which is possible, or you have your info crossed up or forgot your weeks or it was BS.

 

[hoopem6]

We have addressed related comments earlier.

Would you mind reiterating these aforementioned comments, or at least directing me to where these statements have been addressed?

In an attempt to understand Prime's mechanisms, I read the "HOW BIG & RIPPED CAN YOU GET IN 12 WEEKS" pamphlet for further insight. On page seven, there are graphs reflecting a conducted pilot study. The bar graph shows the user increasing his bench press by 62 pounds during this 30 day trial period.

While big bar graphs are visually impressive, this "groundbreaking pilot study" fails to mention their dosages...

Although there are PRIME sales from time to time at NutraPlanet, it is not practical to expect high-quality pharmaceutical grade herbal products to be available at rock-bottom prices, especially if their active ingredients are hard to source.

Hmm... I purchased OxyElite Pro, an advertised "pharmacist formulated super thermogenic," for $24 shipped (non-sale item). In fact, Prime and Recreate can readily be found at the $25-$30 price range...

 

[hardknock]

Exactly! I'd assume most of its' users are also unaware.

Additionally, it doesn't help that every Prime advertisement reads like Anabolic Halo's product description...



The cheapest I've found Prime for is $38 shipped. Following the 69 protocol, I'd be paying +$2.50 a serving ($38/15 days, 5 on 2 off, 9-6-9-6-9 @ 39 capsules per week for 3 weeks)... Now I know from first hand experience that Natadrol can be dosed at the minimum recommendation (4 capsules) and still be very effective. But I have yet to come across any information regarding Prime's effects at lower dosages...

38 is the cheapest that you found it? You need to look in other places.

 

[hardknock]

I cant comment on effectivness of Prime as I have not run it....But Im Liking my Natadrol so far and i caught the sale. For a $100 delivered to Aus is a really good deal for three bottles! Im runnning 8 a day and will get 6 weeks out of that.
That kind of value for money is what we should all expect for natural products, and these companies should know it. Something like Prime which is a "maybe" and has alot of non-responders is MASSIVELY over priced. I wish the more people would bouycot such practices.
If the consumer all just laughed at ridiculous prices for maybe products like Prime,(and to be fair, any natural "test Booster") then we would all very quickly see supplement companies wake up, and pricing fall to a much better level. One more consistent with what the product is. Anything natural is always gonna be a maybe, and should be priced as such.
Pricing in this industry is out of hand, along with the "bottle falls just short of a month" syndrome.
Well done on the Sale LG. Its the only time I'll buy anything like this.

Some of these retailers are loosing money, per sey, when they sale so low. I am not talking about the big hitters such as GNC whom probably gets a bulk deal since they buy so much but more the smaller retailers, the corner store guys. We cannot purchase 10,000 worth of prime so our prices for bulk are much higher. GNC can purchase 10,000 bottles, I can only purchase maybe 100 bottles.

 

[hardknock]

...accidentally posted above but to finish

..this is the reason why you see it at higher prices on one site and dirt cheap on another and/or a 3 pack deal. However, even GNC will still price it higher than some sites due to the site not having the financial responsibility as a GNC.

But, the point being is that many sites cannot afford to price so low as we do not have a big enough hand to twist the arm of distributors.

 

[hoopem6]

38 is the cheapest that you found it? You need to look in other places.

Yeah, from a trusted retailer, after shipping.

 

[Killerkanadia]

We addressed the issue of PRIME's mechanism of action in the thread on the study conducted on PRIME (I cannot post the link here, as I am typing from my mobile phone). PRIME works, although its unique mechanism of action is unknown. What is known is that it is safe, and exerts a non-hormonal action.

Not sure what there is to "lol" about.

All USP can say about their product is "its unique mechanism of action is unknown. What is known is that it is safe, and exerts a non-hormonal action."

I'm not knocking Prime though, if it works and it's safe it's all gravey. It's on my To-Do list for sure.

 

[strategicmove]

All USP can say about their product is "its unique mechanism of action is unknown. What is known is that it is safe, and exerts a non-hormonal action."

I'm not knocking Prime though, if it works and it's safe it's all gravey. It's on my To-Do list for sure.

Well, we know a lot about what PRIME does, apart from invoking a non-hormonal action. The PRIME study is a sticky, either in the company-promotion section or in the USPlabs section, and is recommended reading. The reference to "safety" in my comment was meant to reassure an earlier poster that suggested he had no clue what PRIME did in his body.

 

[MrKleen73]

NATABOLIC PRIME that sounds like a new character for the Transformers which would be a great idea for a log. Who's gonna run it? C'Mon, C'Mon!!!! XYZ Transforms with NATABOLIC PRIME not for your typical Go-Bot.

 

[Irish Cannon]

NATABOLIC PRIME that sounds like a new character for the Transformers which would be a great idea for a log. Who's gonna run it? C'Mon, C'Mon!!!! XYZ Transforms with NATABOLIC PRIME not for your typical Go-Bot.

I've been promoting that since before Natadrol was released! That would be a great stack for sure.

 

[fidget324]

StrategicMove - I looked at the Penn State study done on Prime and share your disappointment. However, if you really want to legitimize Prime, there's a very easy way! To quote my post from about a week ago (which I'm pissed only one person commented on):

"Ok, let me moderate this argument a bit. Yes, 99% of people on this board do love their sups (including myself) and rely on them on a daily basis. Slimcharles has a faulty argument because he has absolutely no data backing his claims, so just ignore him. People like Army Guy, however, do cite data, but it is not at all reliable data. Let me explain why:

Logs do not actually prove anything about a supplement, no matter how detailed they are or how many people are logging a particular product with positive results. I do statistical analysis on climate change and agriculture at my college, and read numerous studies on everything from the environment to world economic trends to personal health and medicine on a daily basis. From my readings on medicine, I can tell you that the placebo effect has ENORMOUS power in all regards to personal health.

To cite one specific example, in 1949 Dr. Stewart Wolf of the Cornell Medical Center investigated the placebo effect in pregnant women affected by nausea. He gave multiple women suffering from nausea a substance that he claimed was a "new, strong, very effective anti-sickness" drug, and in each woman the nausea had completely dissipated within 20 minutes of ingestion. Ironically, This miracle drug was actually Ipecac, a common vomit inducer. It is important to note that each woman had been given Ipecac on several occasions in the weeks prior (but disguised with a different flavor) and vomited on each occasion. In case you were wondering, the flavor of Ipecac has no impact on its effectiveness. (1)

Placebos have proven to hold many other powers, including curing depression and killing pain equally as well as a moderate dose of morphine. The power of placebos has also been correlated to factors such as their cost, hype, and form (ex. sugar water injections are more effective than sugar pills).

So how do we know what really works? Not logs, no sir. Double-blind studies testing a product directly against a placebo of the same form in a highly controlled setting is the only real way to know what works and what doesn't. Unfortunately, 99% of the supplements out there aren't backed by studies at all. The ones that are include whey protein, creatine monohydrate, beta alanine, GPLC, and a few others.

To conclude, you're all wrong. We don't really know if natadrol or prime are placebos or the real deal. We may see increased strength, size, muscle density, etc. while taking them, but the power of the mind to create a reality out of a forgery cannot be overestimated. Just some food for thought.

(1) Wolf S, "Effects of Suggestion and Conditioning on the Action of Chemical Agents in Human Subjects: The Pharmacology of Placebos", Journal of Clinical Investigation 1950 Jan; 29(1):100-09. "


If USP were to conduct such a double-blind placebo study and find that Prime subjects gained more size/strength than placebo subjects, this would be the end of all controversy! Who would really care how it works as long as there are no side effects?

 

[hoopem6]

StrategicMove - I looked at the Penn State study done on Prime and share your disappointment. However, if you really want to legitimize Prime, there's a very easy way! To quote my post from about a week ago (which I'm pissed only one person commented on):

"Ok, let me moderate this argument a bit. Yes, 99% of people on this board do love their sups (including myself) and rely on them on a daily basis. Slimcharles has a faulty argument because he has absolutely no data backing his claims, so just ignore him. People like Army Guy, however, do cite data, but it is not at all reliable data. Let me explain why:

Logs do not actually prove anything about a supplement, no matter how detailed they are or how many people are logging a particular product with positive results. I do statistical analysis on climate change and agriculture at my college, and read numerous studies on everything from the environment to world economic trends to personal health and medicine on a daily basis. From my readings on medicine, I can tell you that the placebo effect has ENORMOUS power in all regards to personal health.

To cite one specific example, in 1949 Dr. Stewart Wolf of the Cornell Medical Center investigated the placebo effect in pregnant women affected by nausea. He gave multiple women suffering from nausea a substance that he claimed was a "new, strong, very effective anti-sickness" drug, and in each woman the nausea had completely dissipated within 20 minutes of ingestion. Ironically, This miracle drug was actually Ipecac, a common vomit inducer. It is important to note that each woman had been given Ipecac on several occasions in the weeks prior (but disguised with a different flavor) and vomited on each occasion. In case you were wondering, the flavor of Ipecac has no impact on its effectiveness. (1)

Placebos have proven to hold many other powers, including curing depression and killing pain equally as well as a moderate dose of morphine. The power of placebos has also been correlated to factors such as their cost, hype, and form (ex. sugar water injections are more effective than sugar pills).

So how do we know what really works? Not logs, no sir. Double-blind studies testing a product directly against a placebo of the same form in a highly controlled setting is the only real way to know what works and what doesn't. Unfortunately, 99% of the supplements out there aren't backed by studies at all. The ones that are include whey protein, creatine monohydrate, beta alanine, GPLC, and a few others.

To conclude, you're all wrong. We don't really know if natadrol or prime are placebos or the real deal. We may see increased strength, size, muscle density, etc. while taking them, but the power of the mind to create a reality out of a forgery cannot be overestimated. Just some food for thought.

(1) Wolf S, "Effects of Suggestion and Conditioning on the Action of Chemical Agents in Human Subjects: The Pharmacology of Placebos", Journal of Clinical Investigation 1950 Jan; 29(1):100-09. "


If USP were to conduct such a double-blind placebo study and find that Prime subjects gained more size/strength than placebo subjects, this would be the end of all controversy! Who would really care how it works as long as there are no side effects?

While much of your post holds merit, quoting studies from 50 years ago vastly undermines scientific/technological advancements...

Regarding placebo: how would you factor in non-responders, side-effects, or even user experience? How would you explain beta-testing, where users are unaware of product claims? What about those who have no expectations of what to expect?

Also - I personally believe logs are not only informative, but extremely helpful. Yes, everyone is going to respond differently... But, personal user experience also helps gauge a supplements overall efficacy.