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Tren Xtreme - XTREME SHUTDOWN- PLEASE HELP!!!

stilllearnin1

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Hi there -

I took Tren Xtreme last year and used Nolvadex XT as my PCT which didnt help me avoid the shutdown. If I had only known what was to come.....

I have no libido, depression, ED (viagra does nothing), etc.

My girlfriend is getting fed up with my problems and I need help to get back on track.

I had a low testosterone blood test but took a shot of Test-depo and HCG and felt better for a couple of weeks. I followed it with 6-oxo for 45 days and tapered off of it. I felt much better (viagra acutally worked) until I got to about 300mg of 6-oxo and I am right back where I started. I couldn't wake the little guy up last week so I took 700mg of 6-oxo and I was hard as a rock for a day and horny and felt normal. Now I am back to the dark hole of life without it so I know it has something to do with my testosterone but my last blood test showed "normal" testosterone levels - however I sure don't feel normal I feel horrible.

I have been considering a 30 day cycle of Anabolic Xtreme PCT (6boromo) and DRIVE. I am concerend it will only be a temporary fix...

Please post what you took as a PCT for Tren Xtreme and what you did to what you did to get the engine running again.

Or please post what you did to get everything back on track after a long term shutdown. I know your situation might not be the same as mine but any advice would really help!

Thanks!!:sad6:
 
There is no such thing as "Nolvadex XT". I'm sure you were referring to Novedex XT, the OTC supplement from Gaspari.

Anyways, you should have done research and had proper support supplements along with a SERM for your PCT (Nolvadex) to restart your body...
 
datnewnew said:
There is no such thing as "Nolvadex XT". I'm sure you were referring to Novedex XT, the OTC supplement from Gaspari.

Anyways, you should have done research and had proper support supplements along with a SERM for your PCT (Nolvadex) to restart your body...
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Sorry yes I took the Gaspari OTC. I realize that I should have taken something different at this point but hopefully someone can help me at this point moving forward.
 
I honestly don't know what to tell you. Like steve said, have you tried using a SERM to get things back to normal?
 
Steveoph said:
Is a doctor following your testosterone levels?

Have you considering taking a SERM like clomid to try and restart your HPTA?
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Around December, I went to the doctor and complained of my symptoms and he gave me a shot of 200mg of Testosterone Depo. I felt GREAT but it quickly wore off. I followed up with a urologist and he told me that I had to wait to get an accurate reading. Within 3 weeks, my testosterone had PLUMMETED and he gave me 5000iu of HCG. at the time I didnt have the money to continue to see him but a friend bodybuilder gave me 30 days worth of SERM Nolvadex and I lost a lot of weight - about 20 lbs in 1.5 months. However it didn't do much to get me back on track. About 3 days after the HCG I felt very horny for a day but that was about it.

Since then, I have had a couple testosterone tests but they came back in the "normal" range but I definitely don't feel normal. It's not normal if I feel extremely depressed, fatigued and can't get horny or get it up for the life of me even with 100mg of Viagra!

I'm thinking there must be a regimen to "reboot" everything??
 
i would grab some clomid...cant hurt at this point...definately should have done some more research but kicking you when you are down doesnt help either...i would get some clomid like i stated before and possible look into some Paravol or Perform
 
datnewnew said:
I honestly don't know what to tell you. Like steve said, have you tried using a SERM to get things back to normal?
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Oh yeah, and I took Clomid after the HCG, but I had horrible mood swings and felt suicidially depressed. I don't know if that was because it was bad Clomid? I took 100mg for 5 days then dropped to 50mg for 2 days or so but I stopped becuase I sure didn't feel anything positive from it (like I did with 6oxo). Is this a normal side effect? Also I saw blue in my peripheral vision.
 
stilllearnin1 said:
Oh yeah, and I took Clomid after the HCG, but I had horrible mood swings and felt suicidially depressed. I don't know if that was because it was bad Clomid? I took 100mg for 5 days then dropped to 50mg for 2 days or so but I stopped becuase I sure didn't feel anything positive from it (like I did with 6oxo). Is this a normal side effect? Also I saw blue in my peripheral vision.
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thats normal reactions..drop it back down to 50 or 25mg..u will feel moody like a 12 year old girl...5 days is not enough..you need 30 days or so
 
purelife1 said:
thats normal reactions..drop it back down to 50 or 25mg..u will feel moody like a 12 year old girl...5 days is not enough..you need 30 days or so
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Really? So just hang on for 30 days at 25mg? Should I start it with anything? Like a Test Depo shot then follow up with Clomid? Or just go straight with Clomid?
 
How long have u been of the tren? I tool it once and even with proper pct the libido was def hard to get back.

You need to get back to the dr for bloodwork.

You can try PP TRS and maybe add some of AI proform.

I think it time u will bounce back but this is a lesson to be learned and why proper pct is needed.
 
Liftingstud said:
How long have u been of the tren? I tool it once and even with proper pct the libido was def hard to get back.

You need to get back to the dr for bloodwork.

You can try PP TRS and maybe add some of AI proform.

I think it time u will bounce back but this is a lesson to be learned and why proper pct is needed.
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Lesson DEFINITELY leaned my friend! The lesson of a lifetime. What is PP TRS?
 
Any advice on taking a HCG/Test restart regimen vs taking AX PCT+Drive/PPTRS to restart everything? Their website makes it sound like the miracle drug but 6-oxo only HELPED Temporarily And I realize that their marketing company made the website...

And then where does the Clomid come in to play?
 
Testosterone Recovery Stack

I'd still go with the clomid though, but you can consider adding that in. If money is tight though, clomid is more bang for your buck IMO.
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Steve- So where does the clomid come into play with the restart protocol? Timeline? Is it before/after or simultaneous etc?

Also what is IMO?
 
stilllearnin1 said:
Any advice on taking a HCG/Test restart regimen vs taking AX PCT+Drive/PPTRS to restart everything? Their website makes it sound like the miracle drug but 6-oxo only HELPED Temporarily And I realize that their marketing company made the website...

And then where does the Clomid come in to play?
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BUMP ...................
 
Liftingstud said:
How long have u been of the tren? I tool it once and even with proper pct the libido was def hard to get back.

You need to get back to the dr for bloodwork.

You can try PP TRS and maybe add some of AI proform.

I think it time u will bounce back but this is a lesson to be learned and why proper pct is needed.
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So PP TRS is not an AI? So I would want to add Clomid and 6-bromo?
 
So how does this sound can I get some feedback?

Anabolic Xtreme: PCT (6-bromo) as the AI
Clomid as the SERM
PP TRS ?

All for 30 days....or is that over doing it? Or should I do some sort of HCG reboot with the SERM?
 
I ran Halodrol/Phera/Superdrol for 6 weeks and PCT'd with Torem+Clomid and DTHC. I had no problems with libido 2 weeks into PCT.

Ran Superdrol 30mg/Tren 90mg a day for 4 weeks 8 months later with same PCT and Libido started coming back.. I think you're gonna need to run
Anabolic Xtreme: PCT (6-bromo) as the AI
Clomid as the SERM
PP TRS

I imagine that would be a great stack. Definitely take time off the PH's. I'm never running the 19Nor again.. Best of luck to you.
 
This happened to me man...Clomid got me back...and my libido was even higher after running Clomid...gotta have Clomid on hand when you run something like Tren
 
spezzy said:
I ran Halodrol/Phera/Superdrol for 6 weeks and PCT'd with Torem+Clomid and DTHC. I had no problems with libido 2 weeks into PCT.

Ran Superdrol 30mg/Tren 90mg a day for 4 weeks 8 months later with same PCT and Libido started coming back.. I think you're gonna need to run
Anabolic Xtreme: PCT (6-bromo) as the AI
Clomid as the SERM
PP TRS

I imagine that would be a great stack. Definitely take time off the PH's. I'm never running the 19Nor again.. Best of luck to you.
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Do you mean you waited 8 months to take the PCT then your libido came back?
 
stilllearnin1 said:
So how does this sound can I get some feedback?

Anabolic Xtreme: PCT (6-bromo) as the AI
Clomid as the SERM
PP TRS ?

All for 30 days....or is that over doing it? Or should I do some sort of HCG reboot with the SERM?
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i think with the clomid you could drop one of the others
just use cloid and xtreme or clomid and TRS
 
MarBaSxx said:
i got my libido back while on the clomid
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how much did you take? can you post your regimen?

When I tried Clomid, I got terrible mood swings and vision probs so I discontinued it after a week because there was nothing good coming from it.

Also did you have any down time before you took the Clomid? Or did you go right from Tren straight into Clomid?
 
stilllearnin1 said:
how much did you take? can you post your regimen?

When I tried Clomid, I got terrible mood swings and vision probs so I discontinued it after a week because there was nothing good coming from it.

Also did you have any down time before you took the Clomid? Or did you go right from Tren straight into Clomid?
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Yeah i did 50 mg every day until i was feeling better...it only took like a week but you need to make sure to not miss a day. Clomid is amazing in situations like this. It sounds like if you were getting mood swings and vision problems you took to much...how much did you use before?
 
MarBaSxx said:
Yeah i did 50 mg every day until i was feeling better...it only took like a week but you need to make sure to not miss a day. Clomid is amazing in situations like this. It sounds like if you were getting mood swings and vision problems you took to much...how much did you use before?
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I took 100 for about 5 days then dropped to 50. I guess I was taking too much, I have now read that 25mgs /day is more appropriate.
 
stilllearnin1 said:
I took 100 for about 5 days then dropped to 50. I guess I was taking too much, I have now read that 25mgs /day is more appropriate.
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if you are having vision probelms them 25 but if not as shut down as you are i would say 50 a day..100 day for 5 days is way to much in my opinion
 
I got my Testosterone test results back today :

TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL 571 (241 - 827 ng/dL )
LH 5.9 (1.5 - 9.3 mIU/mL)
FSH 2.5 (1.6 - 8.0 mIU/mL )

All within the normal range.
Could it just be XTREME-Desensitization of the beta receptors??

I know that Tren converts to nandrolone, and that has been proven to cause desensitization for the leydig cells.

I know that Benadryl has been used to prevent desensitization in the past, but is there a way to RE-SENSITIZE the beta-receptors?

I think I got the pitcher pitching but the catcher is drunk!

ANYONE!?
 
MarBaSxx said:
Yeah i did 50 mg every day until i was feeling better...it only took like a week but you need to make sure to not miss a day. Clomid is amazing in situations like this. It sounds like if you were getting mood swings and vision problems you took to much...how much did you use before?
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LOL I think the mood swings are inevitable the first couple days. I was watching a documentary about a man and his muscle car and I cried when he crashed it. My roommate gave me funny looks but oh well.
 
Your levels are in the normal range. Did you get your prolactin tested as well? 19-nor compounds have a tendency to increase prolactin to excessive levels. If you still believe that your HPTA has not fully recovered you can try doing a full PCT of tamoxifen+clomid for 4 weeks at 40/40/20/20 and 100/100/50/50 respectively. And if you have high prolactin levels you can talk to your doctor about using bromocriptine or cabergoline.

The other major factor in libido is purely psychological. If you've done a full PCT your numbers have come back normal and you're getting enough sleep/good nutrition etc. you just have to tell yourself that there's nothing wrong and it's all in your head.
 
srobby90 said:
Your levels are in the normal range. Did you get your prolactin tested as well? 19-nor compounds have a tendency to increase prolactin to excessive levels. If you still believe that your HPTA has not fully recovered you can try doing a full PCT of tamoxifen+clomid for 4 weeks at 40/40/20/20 and 100/100/50/50 respectively. And if you have high prolactin levels you can talk to your doctor about using bromocriptine or cabergoline.

The other major factor in libido is purely psychological. If you've done a full PCT your numbers have come back normal and you're getting enough sleep/good nutrition etc. you just have to tell yourself that there's nothing wrong and it's all in your head.
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I had my prolactin tested a couple months ago and it came back okay... As for it being in my head, I can see if I just couldn't get it up with my girl. That could be in my head sure. But when I cannot get turned on no matter what I do there is something wrong. Something terribly terribly wrong. I don't feel like myself. I feel depressed and lethargic and like if i turn on a porn to see if I can get horny - I can't. I get bored. Before I took the Tren, I was a very horny fella...

Since my levels are normal I think that there is something wrong with the receptor sites. I have an appointment with an endocrinologist tomorrow that I have been waiting to see for 4 months. So I need to keep everything out of my body for another day until he tests me. But then I will be able to move forward with another PCT if this doc doesn't seem to know whats up
 
stilllearnin1 said:
I had my prolactin tested a couple months ago and it came back okay... As for it being in my head, I can see if I just couldn't get it up with my girl. That could be in my head sure. But when I cannot get turned on no matter what I do there is something wrong. Something terribly terribly wrong. I don't feel like myself. I feel depressed and lethargic and like if i turn on a porn to see if I can get horny - I can't. I get bored. Before I took the Tren, I was a very horny fella...

Since my levels are normal I think that there is something wrong with the receptor sites. I have an appointment with an endocrinologist tomorrow that I have been waiting to see for 4 months. So I need to keep everything out of my body for another day until he tests me. But then I will be able to move forward with another PCT if this doc doesn't seem to know whats up
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I noticed that you didn't have free test on there, there's a possibility that you have an excess of SHBG so it's also important to have your free test checked as well. While I doubt this is the problem it's another course of action to take.

As for desensitization of Leydig cells, if that were the case your LH would be well over the expected range, which as you can see it's not. The only thing that's going to desensitize them would be HCG since it's artificial LH. But, like I said your LH is well within the normal range.

Barring any change in medication or something like high estradiol (which is doubtful because it would also cause low LH through negative feedback and your LH is normal) I can't see it being anything other than psychological. I know that's a tough pill to swallow, but I'm not necessarily referring to performance anxiety but also other things like undiagnosed depression etc. If you could provide a list of medications that you're taking that would help.

Many doctors are woefully uneducated on the effects and proper recovery from AAS. That being said, I would definitely mention up front with your doc that you took a very strong 19-nor steroid, as that will help with his diagnosis, he's not gonna report you to the cops or anything.
 
srobby90 said:
I noticed that you didn't have free test on there, there's a possibility that you have an excess of SHBG so it's also important to have your free test checked as well. While I doubt this is the problem it's another course of action to take.

As for desensitization of Leydig cells, if that were the case your LH would be well over the expected range, which as you can see it's not. The only thing that's going to desensitize them would be HCG since it's artificial LH. But, like I said your LH is well within the normal range.

Barring any change in medication or something like high estradiol (which is doubtful because it would also cause low LH through negative feedback and your LH is normal) I can't see it being anything other than psychological. I know that's a tough pill to swallow, but I'm not necessarily referring to performance anxiety but also other things like undiagnosed depression etc. If you could provide a list of medications that you're taking that would help.

Many doctors are woefully uneducated on the effects and proper recovery from AAS. That being said, I would definitely mention up front with your doc that you took a very strong 19-nor steroid, as that will help with his diagnosis, he's not gonna report you to the cops or anything.
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What about a desensitization of the adrenal glands? The Beta-receptors? Can everything be fine and going out okay but it is not be received properly? Does that make sense? Can't that be possible? How could I know this? And expecially FIX this?
 
stilllearnin1 said:
What about a desensitization of the adrenal glands? The Beta-receptors? Can everything be fine and going out okay but it is not be received properly? Does that make sense? Can't that be possible? How could I know this? And expecially FIX this?
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Well the beta receptors pertain to drugs that affect epinephrine/norepinephrine so that is to say stimulants. Beta-receptors have very little or nothing to do with testosterone, it's true that roughly 10% of test is produced in the adrenal glands but that has nothing to do with desensitization of beta receptors. You're confusing two things, in all likelihood unless you've been megadosing clen nonstop for the past four months your beta-receptors are fine. To reiterate beta receptors desensitization has nothing to do with your use of AAS.

I think you're getting worked up about a problem that isn't there and thus causing a problem.

EDIT: You should look into thyroid levels as screwed up levels can cause loss of libido and general lethargy, but again I don't think this has to do with your AAS use.
 
well it must be something outside of the box - levels are fine but the signal isnt getting to where it needs to be... yeah i need to check the thyroid levels.

I just cant buy that the libido problem is in my head. I am disinterested. I can try to FORCE myself to be interested but I can't keep it up because I am not interested. How can it be in my head. Let's say I used to want to masturbate once a day - now I have no desire to have sex or masturbate. So I don't. People do what they want to do. So how could that be in my head... I will talk to my endo tomorrow about my thyroid. I also ordered some Bromocriptine to go along with this link: (check it out because i saw this guy writing looking for the same answers as me.

forum.mesomorphosis. com/ mens-health-forum/so-you-think-your-134252051-3. html

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show/tell ur endo about ur bloodwork and levels and see what he has to say. tell him ur symptoms etc and he may order more specific bloodwork......dont just expect to go in there and come out with a prescription
 
srobby90 said:
I can't see it being anything other than psychological. I know that's a tough pill to swallow, but I'm not necessarily referring to performance anxiety but also other things like undiagnosed depression etc. If you could provide a list of medications that you're taking that would help.
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I am not taking anything - I am trying to let my body reach some degree of homeostasis. Well actually, yesterday I started taking Extenze.
 
stilllearnin1 said:
I am not taking anything - I am trying to let my body reach some degree of homeostasis. Well actually, yesterday I started taking Extenze.
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good luck...like i told you before i struggle at times with similar issues..most of the time i think its in my head..hopefully the Extenze will help you..however i feel a good run of clomid would do better then Extenze..keep us posted but like others have said tell your doc whats up..correct test could help you a lot quicker then guessing for for answers
 
yeah im not stickin with the Extenze - I just couldnt start the clomid/clomidex cycle until i had my endo appt and blood tests which i had today... the doc was puzzled like i suspected. he ordered some of the tests you guys have mentioned but noted that there wasnt much point...

I have been talking to tons of people on here - based on what I have heard so far (and I have gotten some great advice!)

I am going to start this cycle as soon as it comes:

Clomid - 50/25/25/25
Clomidex
HGHup
Paravol

All for 30 days...

Feedback?

I guess my concern is that this is instead of just not doing anything and waiting to see if I am resetting on my own because it will set me back. I am afraid that this will work like the 6-oxo did but will leave me high and dry after the 30 days. However with the 6-oxo maybe it wasnt strong enough to get me back on track because I just did that by itself.

Or do you guys think I should try the clomid by itself for a couple weeks and then if that doesnt work then go for the stack?
 
damn man, i ran tren with sust 250 for a littler over a month and didnt have any libido loss what so ever, came off cold turkey as well on that particular cycle, its a mystery to me how someones body can be so different, i geined 20lbs on the cycle too...crazy
 
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