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keeping ur gains is the trick

yeah i know ...will take the correct pct and then also still lift heavy and keep protein above 200 ..

and definetly is the trick to keep them. but will do my best


any tips or suggestions appreciated
 
review of animal flex

Not sure if i posted this before but here u go



Review of animal flex

Ok back ground . i had a shoulder that due to abuse was dislocated twice and almost had to have surgery on it . now this sucked cause i had to goto physical theropy for almost 4 months to get it back (hence why my lifts are huge ) but always would have cracking and rubbing in my shoulders. yeah pain is part of growing and i had learned to live with it . well because i am not twenty i also began to experience knee's that would get sore and kinda over all suck squating and gettin up and down began to be a chore. so u can imagin it all came mostly from lifting heavy for several months.

now add to the top of it i am doing two methoyls and that for sure is going to dry you out totally.


I had choices of animal flex and orange triad. first chioce was orange triad due to the fact i was already take pills like a mad man. but i went to store and didnt have it so i was like next best thing is animal flex.

well in less than a week i wanna say i have no regrets at all . I now recommend this product bar none. i have zero shoulder pain and also zero knee pain. yes i realize i am doing fish oil too but i also have been doing that for years. but must say that the animal flex i would have never imagined doing military press and not giving a F . and value wise ..its 44.00 at the store (so i am sure you can get it cheaper online) . and it last for 44 days so extremely worth the value ..never leave home without it and also will never not take nothing else but this
 
I have always had joint issues especially when on a ph cycle. I have thought about giving flex a try, sounds like it's working great for you. Might have to order some up.
 
I have always had joint issues especially when on a ph cycle. I have thought about giving flex a try, sounds like it's working great for you. Might have to order some up.

1.00 a day u cant beat it ....last 44 days ...

no mights...cause joints will catch up to u ..so preventive is better than recovery ..

sorry misquoted price its 33.00 so less than a dollar a day ..u better ...
 
1.00 a day u cant beat it ....last 44 days ...

no mights...cause joints will catch up to u ..so preventive is better than recovery ..

sorry misquoted price its 33.00 so less than a dollar a day ..u better ...

$18.95 on line :) lifesaver
 
Good log so far, I'm slowly switching to Animal products myself so far I have animal pm and cuts and will be getting the other products next month.


yeah let me know about the animal cuts ....and where is ur log i feel i should be following urs
 
There is no increase in test while on SD or any other aas except if u inject test or take 4AD. If anything there will be a shutdown of test production because you are now supplying an exogenous horomone. But u can also get the release of bound test which can be converted to estrogen. It's a complicated process of how aas and homones work in the body. You have many factors that can influence gains and side effects.

How exactly do they build muscle? Any links i can read up on, very curious
thanks
 
new format ..not going to include warm ups ...

decided not to make warm up list. lets face it we all wanna know results. However i am doing warm up sets as ramping weight up. usually 5 sets of 5 each set increasing in weight

Barbell Bench Press (chest)
work-sets
3x5= 140 pounds (went down a little didnt feel it for some reason )(go up)

Squats Barbell (quads)
work-sets
3x5=200 pounds (go up)

Overhead Press Barbell (shoulders)
work-sets
3x5=1x5=110 pounds , 1x4=110 pounds, 1x5=100 pounds (focusing on form)
(stay )
Barbell Row (Back)
work-sets
3x5=1x5=125 pounds, 2x120 pounds (stay)

Deadlifts Barbell (Hamstrings)
worksets
2x5=160
1x5=200
1x5=225 pounds (go up )

Dips (triceps)
worksets
2x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @5(22 pounds)=2x5
1x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @4(16 pounds)=1x5 and spent (stay)

E-z curl Barbell curl (biceps)
work-sets
3x5=70 pounds (go up)

Seated calf raises (calves)
3xfailure=1x5=125,2x4=120 pounds (stay)

So i learned tonight i am def a morning person . i felt very blah doing the first half of work out then pumped up the last. Average time of workout is about 1 hour 10 min, longer today cause had to wait for machines. But no more nights gotta train myself bed sooner. but all and all good day lifting. I will say Dips made me spent cause i tried to eventually make just my bodyweight. almost there. Progression is the key and its happening so no complaints here.
Decided will start cardio next week on non lifting days. In the am on empty stomach so i can lose some fat around the tum tum.
 
week 2 day 1 of 4 week cycle


Barbell Bench Press (chest)
work-sets 3x5
1x5==140
2x5=130 ( stay,kinda fustrated cant seem to go up )

Squats Barbell (quads)
work-sets 3x5
3x5= 210 pounds (stay, shew go it !!)

Overhead Press Barbell (shoulders)
work-sets 3x5
1x5=110 pounds
1x3=110 pounds
1x5=100 pounds (stay)

Barbell Row (Back)
work-sets 3x5
3x5=125 pounds (stay)

Deadlifts Barbell (Hamstrings)
worksets
2x5=135
1x5=170
1x5=200 pounds (stay, crazy but couldnt lift the bar oh well)

Dips (triceps)
worksets
2x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @5(28 pounds)=2x5
1x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @4(22 pounds)=1x5 (stay)

E-z curl Barbell curl (biceps)
work-sets
3x5=80 pounds (stay, loved this !!)

Seated calf raises (calves)
work sets 3xfailure
1x9=125
1x5=125
1x7=125 pounds (stay)

Feeling good actually today . workout last longer than i imagined but oh well ..just went it there and did it . but kinda bumm'd about bench but then again im not patience when it comes to wait . of course leave it to my microwave generation ..gen x .. lol but i must remember what yoda would say


"Much to learn, still you have." -- master yoda


so starting march 15th ..weighed in at 165 pounds
march 22nd...weighed in at 170 pounds

So i am up in pounds 5 pounds and dont see anything as far as out of wack body comp wise adn jeans still fitting so all good . So will up calories just a bit to keep the gains coming ...

sound good?
 
Barbell Bench Press (chest)
work-sets 3x5
1x5==140
2x5=130 ( stay,kinda fustrated cant seem to go up )

Squats Barbell (quads)
work-sets 3x5
3x5= 210 pounds (stay, shew go it !!)

Overhead Press Barbell (shoulders)
work-sets 3x5
1x5=110 pounds
1x3=110 pounds
1x5=100 pounds (stay)

Barbell Row (Back)
work-sets 3x5
3x5=125 pounds (stay)

Deadlifts Barbell (Hamstrings)
worksets
2x5=135
1x5=170
1x5=200 pounds (stay, crazy but couldnt lift the bar oh well)

Dips (triceps)
worksets
2x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @5(28 pounds)=2x5
1x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @4(22 pounds)=1x5 (stay)

E-z curl Barbell curl (biceps)
work-sets
3x5=80 pounds (stay, loved this !!)

Seated calf raises (calves)
work sets 3xfailure
1x9=125
1x5=125
1x7=125 pounds (stay)

Feeling good actually today . workout last longer than i imagined but oh well ..just went it there and did it . but kinda bumm'd about bench but then again im not patience when it comes to wait . of course leave it to my microwave generation ..gen x .. lol but i must remember what yoda would say


"Much to learn, still you have." -- master yoda


so starting march 15th ..weighed in at 165 pounds
march 22nd...weighed in at 170 pounds

So i am up in pounds 5 pounds and dont see anything as far as out of wack body comp wise adn jeans still fitting so all good . So will up calories just a bit to keep the gains coming ...

sound good?

Yes... Increase the calories
 
Barbell Bench Press (chest)
work-sets 3x5
1x5==140
2x5=130 ( stay,kinda fustrated cant seem to go up )

Squats Barbell (quads)
work-sets 3x5
3x5= 210 pounds (stay, shew go it !!)

Overhead Press Barbell (shoulders)
work-sets 3x5
1x5=110 pounds
1x3=110 pounds
1x5=100 pounds (stay)

Barbell Row (Back)
work-sets 3x5
3x5=125 pounds (stay)

Deadlifts Barbell (Hamstrings)
worksets
2x5=135
1x5=170
1x5=200 pounds (stay, crazy but couldnt lift the bar oh well)

Dips (triceps)
worksets
2x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @5(28 pounds)=2x5
1x5=(had to do with assisted machine) @4(22 pounds)=1x5 (stay)

E-z curl Barbell curl (biceps)
work-sets
3x5=80 pounds (stay, loved this !!)

Seated calf raises (calves)
work sets 3xfailure
1x9=125
1x5=125
1x7=125 pounds (stay)

Feeling good actually today . workout last longer than i imagined but oh well ..just went it there and did it . but kinda bumm'd about bench but then again im not patience when it comes to wait . of course leave it to my microwave generation ..gen x .. lol but i must remember what yoda would say


"Much to learn, still you have." -- master yoda


so starting march 15th ..weighed in at 165 pounds
march 22nd...weighed in at 170 pounds

So i am up in pounds 5 pounds and dont see anything as far as out of wack body comp wise adn jeans still fitting so all good . So will up calories just a bit to keep the gains coming ...

sound good?

for those following please put what day your on each and every post, definitely help to see where you are in the cycle

thanks
 
ok will do editing now

certainly would never have advised you doing this cycle but **** it you on it now and you are keeping a nice log, might as well see if there is anything we can do to help along the way
 
Why are using such a low rep range? Are u doing a whole body workout? If so how often a wk u workout? I think we need to make serious changes in your workout split.

Also if u are eating what u posted you def should be gaining more in weight and strength.
 
certainly would never have advised you doing this cycle but **** it you on it now and you are keeping a nice log, might as well see if there is anything we can do to help along the way

thanks i appreciate that . always a learner
 
Why are using such a low rep range? Are u doing a whole body workout? If so how often a wk u workout? I think we need to make serious changes in your workout split.

Also if u are eating what u posted you def should be gaining more in weight and strength.

doing low rep range to make sure i pound it hard with weights for biggest bang for the buck. i work out 3 times a week. the whole set up is in beginning of log. I am eating what i am posting on diet. and i did go up in strength however with the weights i am still pushing it little by little now . will be increasing the calories thank u
 
doing low rep range to make sure i pound it hard with weights for biggest bang for the buck. i work out 3 times a week. the whole set up is in beginning of log. I am eating what i am posting on diet. and i did go up in strength however with the weights i am still pushing it little by little now . will be increasing the calories thank u

So you are training for strength I take it, am I correct?
 
yes for strength and over all build composition wise

eating big ...lifting big = gettin big

Low reps are not the best rep range to induce muscle hypertrophy. It is more come to fund the best grow at 8-12 rep range. Often parts need 15 or even 20 reps. Throwing around heavy weight for 3 weights isn't lifting big. Look at Ronnie he would grab 200lbs DB and still rep out 10. You want maximal weight so failure is reached around your rep range. There often program much like CAMP training that are designed around different rep ranges to try and axhieve the maximal results. Even with DC training you my rest pause 7/4/1 but that's still 12 reps total. See my point?
 
The beauty of steroids is that they aid in the recovery time dramtically and enable longer heavier hessions with quicker recovery. So in this regard it is important to get the most out of each session in the limited time that you are on cycle. Which let's face it is just the last 3 weeks. To effectivly do that I am a big fan of working out 6 days a weeks balls to the wall and dedicated days to chest and back. Last cycle I really focused on chest, I worked out chest twicw a week for 90 minutes each time and I put 60lb on my bench. Pound that body part until you can't move, its only for 3 weeks and the results are worth the blood sweat and tears.
 
Low reps are not the best rep range to induce muscle hypertrophy. It is more come to fund the best grow at 8-12 rep range. Often parts need 15 or even 20 reps. Throwing around heavy weight for 3 weights isn't lifting big. Look at Ronnie he would grab 200lbs DB and still rep out 10. You want maximal weight so failure is reached around your rep range. There often program much like CAMP training that are designed around different rep ranges to try and axhieve the maximal results. Even with DC training you my rest pause 7/4/1 but that's still 12 reps total. See my point?

absolutely i do see ur point. however right now i am focusing on a base before adding accessories. I already have been flamed for weights being so low so i will stick with the compounds until i gain respect from myself and others of the foundation . but i do see ur piont. my training loosely based on rippetoe ...if havent noticed.
 
The beauty of steroids is that they aid in the recovery time dramtically and enable longer heavier hessions with quicker recovery. So in this regard it is important to get the most out of each session in the limited time that you are on cycle. Which let's face it is just the last 3 weeks. To effectivly do that I am a big fan of working out 6 days a weeks balls to the wall and dedicated days to chest and back. Last cycle I really focused on chest, I worked out chest twicw a week for 90 minutes each time and I put 60lb on my bench. Pound that body part until you can't move, its only for 3 weeks and the results are worth the blood sweat and tears.


never thought of it that way. might on next cycle but will be conservative on this . as its my first. 2nd cycle will go more balls to the walls. again im going for foundation right now . and g'dang i eat and eat and eat lol

also whole reason i am doing 3 full body workout routines so i can have best of both worlds hitting body part 3x a week rest 4 days to recover
 
never thought of it that way. might on next cycle but will be conservative on this . as its my first. 2nd cycle will go more balls to the walls. again im going for foundation right now . and g'dang i eat and eat and eat lol

also whole reason i am doing 3 full body workout routines so i can have best of both worlds hitting body part 3x a week rest 4 days to recover

Not sure if u mentioned or not but where are you working out? local gym? if so do you have a workout partner? Really help having a spotter especially when it comes to chest, like to see you get some negatives and forced reps in there. Blast those muscles for maximum growth
 
Not sure if u mentioned or not but where are you working out? local gym? if so do you have a workout partner? Really help having a spotter especially when it comes to chest, like to see you get some negatives and forced reps in there. Blast those muscles for maximum growth

i work out at ymca in louisville ky . and no spotter..i have asked few tiems but seriously the time i go there really is no one there. its crazy but thats why i love going at the time no one in my way ...but i have gone at nights and still no one at the deadlifts contraption...or the squat contraption lol

matter of fact on that note i know who has been in the squat rack once i see the weight. we have a guy that is hooge and always see his weight and its like i japense and he is gawdzilla
 
absolutely i do see ur point. however right now i am focusing on a base before adding accessories. I already have been flamed for weights being so low so i will stick with the compounds until i gain respect from myself and others of the foundation . but i do see ur piont. my training loosely based on rippetoe ...if havent noticed.

It's fine to want to focus on compound movements but there are way more effective routines than what you are doing.
If u are open to suggestions try this:
workout 1: chest and shoulders
4 sets incline BB
4 sets flat DB
4 sets db flye, cable or machine
3 sets seated BB press or DB
3 sets lateral raises
4 sets body weight or weighted dips

workout 2:
4 sets pullups
4 sets bent BB rows
4 sets reverse grip pulldown
4 sets seated close grip cable row
4-6 sets deadlifts

workout 3:
squat squat squat squat... Ohh yeah squat!
4 sets leg extensions
4 sets laying leg curl
4 sets seated leg curl

do it in thus fashion:
day 1= workout 1
day 2= workout 2
day 3= off/rest
day 4= workout 3
day 5= repeat

also up the rep range to no more than 12 but no less than 6.
 
It's fine to want to focus on compound movements but there are way more effective routines than what you are doing.
If u are open to suggestions try this:
workout 1: chest and shoulders
4 sets incline BB
4 sets flat DB
4 sets db flye, cable or machine
3 sets seated BB press or DB
3 sets lateral raises
4 sets body weight or weighted dips

workout 2:
4 sets pullups
4 sets bent BB rows
4 sets reverse grip pulldown
4 sets seated close grip cable row
4-6 sets deadlifts

workout 3:
squat squat squat squat... Ohh yeah squat!
4 sets leg extensions
4 sets laying leg curl
4 sets seated leg curl

do it in thus fashion:
day 1= workout 1
day 2= workout 2
day 3= off/rest
day 4= workout 3
day 5= repeat

also up the rep range to no more than 12 but no less than 6.

id personally keep my rep range between 5 and 8 except for legs where ur better with a higher rep range and i think the Stud has given u a nice routine there
 
id personally keep my rep range between 5 and 8 except for legs where ur better with a higher rep range and i think the Stud has given u a nice routine there

I try to help :)

you can also throw in 3 sets of a skull crusher or pushdown at the end of wo1 and also do 3 sets of bb or db curls at the end of wo2... Sorry forgot those.
 
I try to help :)

you can also throw in 3 sets of a skull crusher or pushdown at the end of wo1 and also do 3 sets of bb or db curls at the end of wo2... Sorry forgot those.

does look good and def will look into it im all for mixing it up keep the muscle guessing. ony cause is i can mostly only do mon thru friday due to fact of my work. but def lookin good
 
day 10 of 31 days


Incline Dumbbell fly (chest)
work-sets
3x5=40 Pounds (stay for form sake )

Chin ups (Back) assisted machine
work-sets 3x failure
1x7=22 pounds assisted
1x5=16 pounds assisted
1x4=16 pounds assisted

Arnold Press dumbbell (shoulders)
work-sets
3x5=40 pounds (go up incredible burn! )

Overhead Barbbell Extention (triceps)
work-sets
3x5=50 pounds (go up )

Overhead cable curl (biceps)
work-sets 3x5
3x5=30 pounds (go up, not that i wanted it body couldnt handle much more lol )

Leg Press (quads)
work-sets
3x5=340 pounds (go up a bit , felt good )

Lying Leg Curl (Hamstrings)
work-sets
3x5=110 pounds (go up)

Standing calf raises (calves)
work-sets 3x failure
1x12=210 pounds
1x10=210 pounds
1x10=210 pounds (excited cause machine only goes up to 290)

all in all good work out. Still progressing so excellent times. I will say that chins and dips are my weakness but least i am progressing slowly but any progress is progress.
 
day 10 of 31 days


Incline Dumbbell fly (chest)
work-sets
3x5=40 Pounds (stay for form sake )

Chin ups (Back) assisted machine
work-sets 3x failure
1x7=22 pounds assisted
1x5=16 pounds assisted
1x4=16 pounds assisted

Arnold Press dumbbell (shoulders)
work-sets
3x5=40 pounds (go up incredible burn! )

Overhead Barbbell Extention (triceps)
work-sets
3x5=50 pounds (go up )

Overhead cable curl (biceps)
work-sets 3x5
3x5=30 pounds (go up, not that i wanted it body couldnt handle much more lol )

Leg Press (quads)
work-sets
3x5=340 pounds (go up a bit , felt good )

Lying Leg Curl (Hamstrings)
work-sets
3x5=110 pounds (go up)

Standing calf raises (calves)
work-sets 3x failure
1x12=210 pounds
1x10=210 pounds
1x10=210 pounds (excited cause machine only goes up to 290)

all in all good work out. Still progressing so excellent times. I will say that chins and dips are my weakness but least i am progressing slowly but any progress is progress.

I gotta say I hate this routine really don't know how u expect to build up ur chest with just 3 sets, how long did chest take? 6-7 minutes its just not enuf, you gotta be waking up sore in the morning Try Studs routine
 
I gotta say I hate this routine really don't know how u expect to build up ur chest with just 3 sets, how long did chest take? 6-7 minutes its just not enuf, you gotta be waking up sore in the morning Try Studs routine

those are just work sets. not what i had built up to . just the sets i did the my work ones on
for instance ..bench if i remember correct goes
2x5=
1x5=
and then work sets
3x5 =
but i decided just to post the peak sets of what i was doing . but anyhow thats the behind the scenes then work sets
I will do his work out in 4 weeks . i told him i would and i am a man of my word.

but the purpose is doing compound movements and hitting each body part 3x a week to efficiently build up .
 
Like i others have said... i would never recommend this cycle and i think you are not ready for steriods, given your workouts... please be open-minded in the future, for your on sake. Best of luck to ya! I will stop in occasionally.
Add a little note in each post saying how much you are up in weight.
My mother is in Ky, next time i visit her you can hit me up for a spot haha.
 
Like i others have said... i would never recommend this cycle and i think you are not ready for steriods, given your workouts... please be open-minded in the future, for your on sake. Best of luck to ya! I will stop in occasionally.
Add a little note in each post saying how much you are up in weight.
My mother is in Ky, next time i visit her you can hit me up for a spot haha.

will do . and trust i understand the concerns and thank u . and i am open minded . just even though i may have prematurely done a cycle point is i done it and i am busting my butt and thats what should count . the fact im not relying on the cycle but busting ass with 3 full body work outs . compound movements and gaining weight. and eating like a horse. we all want results. and thats what i am producing as well as open mindedness and rather than flame we encourage either other rather than flame . cause we all was there once .

what part of ky ? and i feel sorry for her. job keeps me here other wise columbus ohio or chicago
 
I'm gonna post this morn chest workout for you and I'm on a cut gretting ready for my 1st inj cycle so I'm gonna be a newbie all over again :(
 
I'm gonna post this morn chest workout for you and I'm on a cut gretting ready for my 1st inj cycle so I'm gonna be a newbie all over again :(


aww that sucks . but i dont flame people and only encourage and try to help so will follow ur log and newbie doesnt hurt
 
I'm gonna post this morn chest workout for you and I'm on a cut gretting ready for my 1st inj cycle so I'm gonna be a newbie all over again :(

OK so here it is
CHEST DAY :)

Now forget the weight I'm using, just bare in mind apart from the 1st few sets I'm close to failure and my heavy sets are @ 5 reps when I can do 3 sets of the 315 its time to add more weight and knock myself back to 5 reps, keep it simple. I do this routine once a week. Every 4 days on cycle, I absolutely stand by this and gaurantee gains on or off cycle :)

8.20 Pre WO shake

Chest 8.55
Flat
225 2 X 8 90secs slow perfect form
275 1 X 5 2 mins
295 1 X 5 2 mins
305 1 X 5 3 mins
315 1 X 5 3 mins
315 1 X 4 3 mins failed @ 5
315 1 X 5 3mins :)
295 1 X 6 2 mins
285 1 X F Failure @ 6 full 4 mins
285 1 X F Failure @ 8 dug deep there
225 1 X F Failure @ 16
Done with the flat bench 9.42

Incline
225 1 X 8 2 mins
245 1 X 5 Failed @ 5 :( take full 4 mins
245 1 X 5 :) went for 6 Failed
Done with incline

Not a lover of the decline bar. Normally dumb bell decline or cables.. Gonna opt for cables today

Cable raises from the ground targetting same area as declines would

Downing my Post WO shake @ this point
5 Sets of 12-15 90 sec intervals and done :) well done

10.12am done, im gonna be sore for a few days but ill be growing :)
 
and im running a log right now if u wanna check it out

Its a cutting log and its full of information from multiple contributors, its gathering quite a following so ill prob continue from there on my inj log as the cut is going to bridge right into the main event

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/weight-loss/147712-logging-my-first.html

awesome will follow the log . and good on ur following .after this one i iwll do a continuing log so everyone can join so im not bouncing around
 
Newbie2bb, I want u to switch your routine NOW! I dint care if u are posting working sets of not. It's not sufficient!

I do a 5 day split here is a sample of my workouts from thus wk:

CHEST
incline bb 135x15 135x15 185x12 225x8 225x8/4/2
flat db 65x15 85x12 95x9 110x6
wide hammer press 3 plates sidex12 4platesx8 4platesx7
dips 15 45x10 65x6 12

that's more than u do in 3 full body workouts for chest. My split I setup for u will do a much better job for u than what u are using.

If u want we can fix ur diet too cause it needs some work.
 
Newbie2bb, I want u to switch your routine NOW! I dint care if u are posting working sets of not. It's not sufficient!

I do a 5 day split here is a sample of my workouts from thus wk:

CHEST
incline bb 135x15 135x15 185x12 225x8 225x8/4/2
flat db 65x15 85x12 95x9 110x6
wide hammer press 3 plates sidex12 4platesx8 4platesx7
dips 15 45x10 65x6 12

that's more than u do in 3 full body workouts for chest. My split I setup for u will do a much better job for u than what u are using.

If u want we can fix ur diet too cause it needs some work.

actually i appreciate it and i did modify diet cause gaining to much fat . just didnt post cause i am finishing it up this weekend. however lift i def will be doing ur work out in 4 weeks to keep my body guessing so thats what i can commit to right now . but awesoem that ur invested in my progress and i appreciate it but i have to build the foundation first. and then will keep body guess in 4 weeks
 
Newbie2bb, I want u to switch your routine NOW! I dint care if u are posting working sets of not. It's not sufficient!

I do a 5 day split here is a sample of my workouts from thus wk:

CHEST
incline bb 135x15 135x15 185x12 225x8 225x8/4/2
flat db 65x15 85x12 95x9 110x6
wide hammer press 3 plates sidex12 4platesx8 4platesx7
dips 15 45x10 65x6 12

that's more than u do in 3 full body workouts for chest. My split I setup for u will do a much better job for u than what u are using.

If u want we can fix ur diet too cause it needs some work.

Listen to us. I posted my chest routine today so u can get an idea the number of sets and the intensity. I did 12 sets of just flatbench. What your doing plane and simple is just not enough
 
Listen to us. I posted my chest routine today so u can get an idea the number of sets and the intensity. I did 12 sets of just flatbench. What your doing plane and simple is just not enough

trust i am listening . believe me im not fighting it . just not for right now. will at end of this and i knwo what ur thinking but just as much as u cautioned me about the new cycle i wanna play it safer on this and do just the basics. so that way next cycle i got a soild foundation and i can do whatever split u all think. my workout is pretty much rippetoe with the accessories ...
 
The problem is your not building a foundation! I mean one day fir chest u just do flyes... Not good enough! Also for back u doing assissted pullups and only doing 7-5 reps... I mean u can't do 5 pullups with ur own body weight?!?!?!!!

So ur pretty much wasting a cycle? When u cycle u want to not take it easy but go balks to the wall intense, pushing yourself to the limit.

You mentioned earlier that 4 days a wk is hard for u to make it to the gym... If u are serious about training, like most steriod users, u make time! I mean hell u can find 1hr or so 4x a wk to hit the gym? I was in med school taking a stupid number of classes, studied constantly but made it to the gym 5-6days a wk for my whole med school career. Why cause I worked my a$$ off. I am sorry if I come of as harsh but you need to man up and get on ur game or foget the roids til u can.
 
dude WTF are you doing!!?!?!? this is the most retarted workout routine ive ever seen... on top of that your stacking 2 strong compounds with it- what a waste!?!?!?! i just dont know what to say...

these guys have been trying to help you so u actually get something out of this. change ur workout... they know what there talking about!!!

damn this is looking like BB.com caliber
 
btw idk what u decided on for ur final dosing of clomid, but you need to do more then 50mg for week 1. u just need to.


im sorry for sounding like a **** in the last post, but sometimes u just gotta get to the point. im not going to sugar coat everything, this is a steroid forum not a support group, u gotta expect harsh realism in peoples responses.
 
btw idk what u decided on for ur final dosing of clomid, but you need to do more then 50mg for week 1. u just need to.


im sorry for sounding like a **** in the last post, but sometimes u just gotta get to the point. im not going to sugar coat everything, this is a steroid forum not a support group, u gotta expect harsh realism in peoples responses.

i know its not a support group and i appreciate it and as i stated i will take it in consideration and thanks for checking out my log. and also i dont mind harsh up front critism and i do have my reality check on this . and believe me im not going anywhere. will be here and will do another cycle and i dont believe this is a waste ..thanks
and at least i got u on my side for no sugar coating . those are types i dig.


also checking out ur log...reading it front to back . pretty sweet and i did ask for u to join as a friend
 
you bench 140 and you are using 2 steroids?

you are genius.


thanks i consider myself quite smart but apparently u seen my inner genius. hence

to answer ur 140 pounds


thats exactly why i am just diong the basics compound movements and there is a method to what u all claim as the madness. but i appreciate u stopping in
(and i make no apologies for my lifts the point is im progressing and i will continue ....)


also all flamers u know ur doing me a favor right?

in order to come out of ashes and spread a fire till it comes out of control . u have to fan the flames

as i have said i will def do his routine in 3 weeks . but also have taken others suggestions and have been redoing diet as well so will post that in a few but thanks again all suggestions have been taken and almost 90 percent have been taken and incoperated so trust me i am open
 

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