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Teleprompter vs hand notes.. LOL

No liberal politicians are every wrong, as wrong or even more wrong than a conservative one? I don't care which side of the line you stand on, the end result is the same. Just because someone believes in some issues as you do, it in no way gives insight into who they really are... Doesn't even, for the most part, even prove they actually believe in what they run on.
 
iron fists said:
look at his stimulus plan, gm bailout, aig bailout, unemployment, healthcare attempt with blantant bribing, consistent contemp of our nation and apologizing to the world like we messed it up, not taking the responsibility for anything, telling us to bucle down when he spends like crazy,
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If you think the stimulus plan was 'spending like crazy' you evidently have little to no understanding of economics mate. If the bailout didn't happen you'd be seeing Detroit-esque unemployment across the majority of the US. It wasn't about bailing out banks, it's about having a financial system that runs on lending (debt), and when you remove the ability of anyone to lend, the system grinds to a halt and Rome burns. How you'd say Obama hasn't taken responsibility for the ****ty state of affairs when he took over an economy in ruins and has worked as hard as anyone in the globe to sort it out is to be one-eyed in the extreme.

Reforming healthcare in the US is about creating a system where a country who's healthcare system looks for every last **** in the room to suck (And it does) and yet costs more than any other healthcare system in the world (When many others work much, much better) is changed to cost *less* and deliver better outcomes. That isn't marxist, it's ****ing common sense. A public option isn't socialism, it's government by the people for the people. Something that people in the US don't seem to want (But more importantly understand) anymore. Next time someone uses the term "Marxist" to you, ask them what it means. Dollars to donuts they don't know, they don't know who Marx was and they haven't read any of his writings.

Seriously man, stop waiting for Glenn Beck and Bill O'Reilly to tell you what to think.
 
It's interesting you mention the unnecessary spending and flying to hawaii considering the RNC just had their convention in Hawaii
 
iron fists said:
yeah but a declining economy is not an economy in ruins....our economy now is more of an econmy in ruins..and i am just waitng to se what china is going to do now that mr. ego still met with the dahli lama anyways after the china leaders told him that if he did than they would be done with us and we would have to answer. and if our economy was in ruins, then why make our debt worse and spend money we dont have.. that makes as much since as a guy who just got laid of and has no unemployment truning around and buying a house and going to the bar everynight buying other peoples drinks and eating out 3 meals a day...because thats what deficit spending is right..spending money you dont have when you need to save it. just like how much since it makes for obama to keep telling us americans to tighten our belts and not to go to vegas when throws parties and cookouts with 100 dollar a pound steaks and flys himself and others to hawaii to play golf with friends....that sounds like he really leading by example...and it all comes out of our taxes.
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Like I said buddy you need to do some reading on economics. You clearly don't like Obama and will quite happily snatch at any reason you can to bash him - however tenuous it might be.

Your assertion that the economy wasn't in ruins when Obama took over demonstrates that you know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about. You saying about 'counting jobs that weren't directly related to the stimulus as new jobs blah blah' again clearly demonstrates you have no understanding of how the economy impacts upon employment. In your little hotdog stand example, yes the stimulus did help that happen, unless you're talking about the only hotdog stand owner in the US without a shred of personal or business related debt. If the banks couldn't have leant the owner the money to start the business there would be no hotdog stand and ultimately no jobs.

Your assertion that the US healthcare system is good demonstrates only that you know nothing about that either. The US currently has a healthcare system built on a foundation of trying to find ways out of fixing people - at the maximum possible cost.

I don't say any of the above to beat up on you mate, only to really sincerely recommend that you go away and do some research on these things, irrespective of your political leanings. Facts are facts regardless of who's talking.

Like Josh just said, the republicans flew to Hawaii recently too, and you as a guy who was banging the drum about 'not praising one politican for one thing while damning another for the exact same thing' is just as guilty as anyone else is in doing just that.
 
Did the RNC tell everyone to tighten their belts? Are you serious? LOL... One of the main things republicans are against is wastefull spending and are ALWAYS preaching to people to tighten their belts. I think it is the RNC motto.. LOL
 
JudoJosh said:
Did the RNC tell everyone to tighten their belts? Are you serious? LOL... One of the main things republicans are against is wastefull spending and are ALWAYS preaching to people to tighten their belts. I think it is the RNC motto.. LOL
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Wait, you do understand that the RNC doesn't charge flights to the Tax budget correct?
 
Vance said:
Like I said buddy you need to do some reading on economics. You clearly don't like Obama and will quite happily snatch at any reason you can to bash him - however tenuous it might be.

Your assertion that the economy wasn't in ruins when Obama took over demonstrates that you know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about. You saying about 'counting jobs that weren't directly related to the stimulus as new jobs blah blah' again clearly demonstrates you have no understanding of how the economy impacts upon employment. In your little hotdog stand example, yes the stimulus did help that happen, unless you're talking about the only hotdog stand owner in the US without a shred of personal or business related debt. If the banks couldn't have leant the owner the money to start the business there would be no hotdog stand and ultimately no jobs.

Your assertion that the US healthcare system is good demonstrates only that you know nothing about that either. The US currently has a healthcare system built on a foundation of trying to find ways out of fixing people - at the maximum possible cost.

I don't say any of the above to beat up on you mate, only to really sincerely recommend that you go away and do some research on these things, irrespective of your political leanings. Facts are facts regardless of who's talking.

Like Josh just said, the republicans flew to Hawaii recently too, and you as a guy who was banging the drum about 'not praising one politican for one thing while damning another for the exact same thing' is just as guilty as anyone else is in doing just that.
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Your posts do make me crack a smile. Your assertion of economies impact on jobs is somewhat skewed, considering jobs impact economy in a ten fold fashion, not the reverse.

As for the economy in ruins, that began all the way back to carter with the CRA, and given new legs by Clinton, and completely ignored by Bush, and now exacerbated by Obama.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Your posts do make me crack a smile. Your assertion of economies impact on jobs is somewhat skewed, considering jobs impact economy in a ten fold fashion, not the reverse.

As for the economy in ruins, that began all the way back to carter with the CRA, and given new legs by Clinton, and completely ignored by Bush, and now exacerbated by Obama.
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Earthworm Jim?! Legendary you are my brother...:439:
 
DAdams91982 said:
Your posts do make me crack a smile. Your assertion of economies impact on jobs is somewhat skewed, considering jobs impact economy in a ten fold fashion, not the reverse.
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That statement is utter nonsense mate. There is a circular relationship between employment and an economy, you do not have one without the other.
 
I think the economy is more based off the consumer. One of the reasons why we had a great economy is because this is one of the few countries that will make and market such non-sense products and an american consumer will have the need to buy such products without really needing it. This is what made our economy so booming. I mean where else can you sell off road vehicles to people who have no intention of ever going off road? This is what the japanese auto industry missed out on. They couldnt understand how we can make an suv, market it for all its off-roading capabilities and sell it to surbaban housewives who have no need for ever driving up the side of a mountain but for some reason need these vehicles. This is what they couldnt understand and what american automakers did. It is the american ability to buy stupid useless things. I mean have you walked through a walmart or target or watched some informercials. We have the freedom to make and market the most ridiculous items and the american consumer will buy these items and we will be successful in selling them. Where else can you find a self rotating ice cream cone? Sure other countries have the ability to make and market these items but only here in america do we have the need and want to buy such things.
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Vance said:
That statement is utter nonsense mate. There is a circular relationship between employment and an economy, you do not have one without the other.
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Oh, I was not doubting that assertion. But your condescending post stating that economy was purely the driving force for jobs is abhorrent to the conversation.
 
JudoJosh said:
I think the economy is more based off the consumer. One of the reasons why we had a great economy is because this is one of the few countries that will make and market such non-sense products and an american consumer will have the need to buy such products without really needing it. This is what made our economy so booming. I mean where else can you sell off road vehicles to people who have no intention of ever going off road? This is what the japanese auto industry missed out on. They couldnt understand how we can make an suv, market it for all its off-roading capabilities and sell it to surbaban housewives who have no need for ever driving up the side of a mountain but for some reason need these vehicles. This is what they couldnt understand and what american automakers did. It is the american ability to buy stupid useless things. I mean have you walked through a walmart or target or watched some informercials. We have the freedom to make and market the most ridiculous items and the american consumer will buy these items and we will be successful in selling them. Where else can you find a self rotating ice cream cone? Sure other countries have the ability to make and market these items but only here in america do we have the need and want to buy such things.
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Oh that thing is fantastic. Though you do mention Japan, and their penchant for nonsense consumer items is double that of America.

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DAdams91982 said:
Oh that thing is fantastic. Though you do mention Japan, and their penchant for nonsense consumer items is double that of America.

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LMAO... oh my frickin god I so know what I am getting my wife for mothers day.

Touché sir :439:
 
LOL. ohh my..

Here you go, Have you ever found yourself searching for hours for your remote control. Well have that problem no more!!

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Apparently there is a chinese man name Kenji Kawakami who specilizes in making useless products but they are all a gag and not for sale. Pretty funny I was reading an interview with him and he has some far out things

Consider his Hay Fever Hat, a strap-on roll of toilet paper that provides allergy sufferers with a continuous supply of tissue that's always close at hand. Or the Portable Zebra Crossing, a roll-up crosswalk that gives you the right of way wherever you want it. And for the busy salaryman, there's the Anywhere Office, a wooden desktop that hangs from the neck, redefining business mobility.
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the article states he has not made a single yen on any product he has made. Its a shame, Im sure if he starts exporting to america he would make a killing

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DAdams91982 said:
Oh, I was not doubting that assertion. But your condescending post stating that economy was purely the driving force for jobs is abhorrent to the conversation.
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It's actually a fact champ. You want to see what happens to employment when an economy crashes do some reading on Zimbabwae.
 
Vance said:
It's actually a fact champ. You want to see what happens to employment when an economy crashes do some reading on Zimbabwae.
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Unemployment effects the economy in ways that most people do not visually see. If more people are unemployed, less people pay taxes or have money for spending. Spending money boosts the economy through taxes which is why everything is taxed. The taxed money adds up when everyone shops. If one is unemployed, they live on what is saved or what unemployment departments give them. Therefore, they do not have money to be frivillous, they only buy neccessities. I hope this helps... champ.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Unemployment effects the economy in ways that most people do not visually see. If more people are unemployed, less people pay taxes or have money for spending. Spending money boosts the economy through taxes which is why everything is taxed. The taxed money adds up when everyone shops. If one is unemployed, they live on what is saved or what unemployment departments give them. Therefore, they do not have money to be frivillous, they only buy neccessities. I hope this helps... champ.
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Yep that's the grade school version. When your economy which runs on lending crashes and debt is no longer available your currency crashes, businesses shut down overnight with mass lay offs, because your currency is in the toilet you can't import goods and as has already been stated your entire country runs on imports as your mabufacuting sector is all but dead. Inflation goes absolutely ape**** as a result and only the mega rich can afford anything while the rest of the country falls apart.

See what employment numbers look like then.
 
Vance said:
Yep that's the grade school version. When your economy which runs on lending crashes and debt is no longer available your currency crashes, businesses shut down overnight with mass lay offs, because your currency is in the toilet you can't import goods and as has already been stated your entire country runs on imports as your mabufacuting sector is all but dead. Inflation goes absolutely ape**** as a result and only the mega rich can afford anything while the rest of the country falls apart.

See what employment numbers look like then.
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Ah, good... round and round it goes.. so you are saying they impact each other now? Glad we got that straightened out turbo. We cool now captain?
 
DAdams91982 said:
Ah, good... round and round it goes.. so you are saying they impact each other now? Glad we got that straightened out turbo. We cool now captain?
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See my post above where you said one was more important than the other and I said it wa a circular relationship. Glad you finally caught up.

I have no problem with you dude. Just think it's best if you're going to throw your weight around in a discussion it's wise to make sure you aren't talking out of your ass first, but hey it takes all sorts. :)
 
Vance said:
See my post above where you said one was more important than the other and I said it wa a circular relationship. Glad you finally caught up.

I have no problem with you dude. Just think it's best if you're going to throw your weight around in a discussion it's wise to make sure you aren't talking out of your ass first, but hey it takes all sorts. :)
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Love that little condescending attitude you have... kinda cute!

I never said one didn't impact the other... catch up there smart guy. You assertion was that one only impacted the other.

So keep on trying to puff up your chest there chief.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Love that little condescending attitude you have... kinda cute!

I never said one didn't impact the other... catch up there smart guy. You assertion was that one only impacted the other.

So keep on trying to puff up your chest there chief.
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Not puffing up anything and if I come across as condecending it's because you don't know a damn thing about the mechanics of a global economy when you assert;

DAdams91982 said:
Your assertion of economies impact on jobs is somewhat skewed, considering jobs impact economy in a ten fold fashion, not the reverse.
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When it's absolute crap. If what you said was even remotely true then when you had 5% unemployment it would never get any higher than that and everything would keep growing. It's precisely that attitude that caused the financial crisis in the first place. Evidently that particular irony is lost on you.

I'm happy for you that you're comfortable being ignorant. I won't waste my time trying to get through to you any more as I'm happy to agree to disagree, hell it's your country. :bigok:
 
the fact that you use Hannity and Rush as your premise, explains a great deal.
 
AE14 said:
the fact that you use Hannity and Rush as your premise, explains a great deal.
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Just as anyone who listens to Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews? Your idea of negating someones idea because they listen to a certain commentator is asinine.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Just as anyone who listens to Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews? Your idea of negating someones idea because they listen to a certain commentator is asinine.
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Really? You must be kidding. I agree, Matthews, Maddow, Olberman, O'Reilly, Rush, Hannity are all garbage and jaded and partisan. To use any of these fools as a source of "news" explains why were are in some of the trouble we are in

Now Adams, feel free to remove panties from rectum

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I forgot the worst of them and thats Beck. I have never seen a "news man" who believes in more catastrophes than this guy. I dont believe he actually knows the definition of socialism
 
iron fists said:
are rush and hannity garbage because you dont listen to them? because they are not on the liberal side of things? or because you cannot prove them wrong? or because everyone whos claims they are wrong and can prove it, wont prove it or even go on their show and prove it or discuss it when the invite is clearly open for them too. beck is nuts i will give you that.
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to assume that anyone is correct is silly. Rush/Hannity/OReilly were all hanging for the sack of the GWB administration (typically) in similar fashion to Maddow/Matthews/Olberman are with Obama. It is silly nonsense. They refuse to see any other side but their own. The only one I will give credit to is O'Reilly who occassionally will give credit where it is due. However, on the whole, they are all way to reactionary for my taste, and are more part of the problem then the solution

I am glad to see we agree about Beck though. He is a loon :)
 
AE14 said:
to assume that anyone is correct is silly. Rush/Hannity/OReilly were all hanging for the sack of the GWB administration (typically) in similar fashion to Maddow/Matthews/Olberman are with Obama. It is silly nonsense. They refuse to see any other side but their own. The only one I will give credit to is O'Reilly who occassionally will give credit where it is due. However, on the whole, they are all way to reactionary for my taste, and are more part of the problem then the solution

I am glad to see we agree about Beck though. He is a loon :)
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Pull your head out of your ass you little twit. Because someone listens to someones commentary does not negate their opinion. Considering millions of people listen to each of these people, that means their opinions do not have merit in America? I personally do not care for any of them, but demeaning someones ideals because of some one they listen to... come on now.. don't be such a knob. If you want to refute peoples information, do so, but don't be so nonsensical to say someone is wrong because of their entertainment figures.

I definitely expected more out of you.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Pull your head out of your ass you little twit. Because someone listens to someones commentary does not negate their opinion. Considering millions of people listen to each of these people, that means their opinions do not have merit in America? I personally do not care for any of them, but demeaning someones ideals because of some one they listen to... come on now.. don't be such a knob. If you want to refute peoples information, do so, but don't be so nonsensical to say someone is wrong because of their entertainment figures.

I definitely expected more out of you.
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Wow, someone is cranky. Gotta love the reactionary response that you always give. Not going to get into a pissing match with you, as you are not worth it.

With that said, I am not negating an opinion. What I am doing, is stating that when the basis for someones opinions derives SOLEY from the opinions of a mouth piece like those listed above, then to me, their opinion is WORTHLESS.

See how that worked there? Should I restate it so you most certainly will understand it?
 
AE14 said:
Wow, someone is cranky. Gotta love the reactionary response that you always give. Not going to get into a pissing match with you, as you are not worth it.

With that said, I am not negating an opinion. What I am doing, is stating that when the basis for someones opinions derives SOLEY from the opinions of a mouth piece like those listed above, then to me, their opinion is WORTHLESS.

See how that worked there? Should I restate it so you most certainly will understand it?
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So consequently, since ones opinion influences another's opinion in turn that persons opinion is no longer valid? You haven't refuted any of the ideals, and only attacked the figure heads. The biggest red herring of the thread.
 
DAdams91982 said:
So consequently, since ones opinion influences another's opinion in turn that persons opinion is no longer valid? You haven't refuted any of the ideals, and only attacked the figure heads. The biggest red herring of the thread.
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Valid is different that worthless, no?
 
AE14 said:
Valid is different that worthless, no?
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Which ever way you want to stroke the words. Condescending one as worthless because of who they enjoy listening to is quite closed minded as well.

So, going to keep harping on the commentators, or actually debate the merits of the actual opinion provided?
 
ok, which opinion would you like to debate? you seem so incensed for debate, yet offer no topic
Also, bear in mind that I was responding to IronFists, who was stating the validity of the fox contingent based on ratings. So my response was directly related to that. Just for clarification
 
AE14 said:
ok, which opinion would you like to debate? you seem so incensed for debate, yet offer no topic
Also, bear in mind that I was responding to IronFists, who was stating the validity of the fox contingent based on ratings. So my response was directly related to that. Just for clarification
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Man, you really do make my head hurt.

Lets recap:
Iron offered up opinion on some subjects that may or may not have stemmed from information from certain talking heads

You instead of rebutting the statements he made started to attack him personally because he listened to said talking heads

I point out your incongruous nature of the topic and arguments, now you have forgotten your belittlement of iron because he listens to some talking heads

My damn screen is starting to smell like a red herring.
 
DAdams91982 said:
Man, you really do make my head hurt.

Lets recap:
Iron offered up opinion on some subjects that may or may not have stemmed from information from certain talking heads

You instead of rebutting the statements he made started to attack him personally because he listened to said talking heads

I point out your incongruous nature of the topic and arguments, now you have forgotten your belittlement of iron because he listens to some talking heads

My damn screen is starting to smell like a red herring.
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actually, he offered no argument except for "I dislike Obama", which he then proceeded to quote the benefit of Hannity and Rush. So I responded that IMO, neither of their opinion was worth anything regardless of ratings. The counter argument to that, is that since the majority voted Obama, evidently he is great. Get the point?

If your screen smells, may I suggest some cleaner?
 
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