C.E.L. getting sued over M Drol "liver damage"---video
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bleedingthrou
Member
Neither of these guys deserve a single penny for anything. A little research on their part would have gone a long way here. Notice how they never say the dosage, or cycle length they ran. They also didnt mention whether or not they were consuming alcohol which could have amplified the sides. I have seen guys not run a single "mg" of milk thistle while on M-Drol, and they never had any serious issues. I really wish i could take these numbskull weenies who ruin great products for the rest of us, behind a building and smash their heads through a wall!
one8seven
Member
X100:damnit1:
Gravad007
New member
I am not an expert like some guys on this site. I am a newbie yes, and have never run a PH but there is a great reason for that, I DONT KNOW WHAT I AM DOING. these bone heads are as dumb as some of the people on the review sites not running supports or a pct. this is why I am still researching after 6 months to make sure I know what I am doing and make sure my body is ready for this. now if I want to run MDrol at some point it might not be there! thats pretty weak
dumbhick3
Member
This is absolutely typical of most peoples' attitudes today.
Whenever someone chooses to do something, and they are unhappy with the consequences of their decision, their first reaction is "who can I blame besides myself b/c I certainly can't be held responsible for my own bad decisions?". Or better yet, "how many other people besides myself can I blame for my own bad decisions so that I can avoid taking that responsibility myself?". Pathetic.
Decisions have consequences. That's a fact of life that many ppl never get around to accepting.
I could rag on the stupidity of the ppl suing, the lawyer (well, he's smart in that he is trying to make money like any good ambulance chaser), the news person (they know how to put on a suit and makeup and read from a teleprompter and that's about it), etc, but I'll save my breath (correction-I changed my mind). The idiocy is self-evident. Maybe that's why I quit watching the news.
It also didn't say if they were taking P-Plex and M-Drol together; it sounded that way.
BTW, to the 2 numbskulls, the M-Drol bottle by CEL clearly says that this product should not be used for a first time prohormone cycle due to its strength. Given plantiff "pudgy" and plantiff "stick", and their claims of ignorance of liver effects, I am going to take a wild guess and say that neither has ran a prohormone cycle before. Ergo, that alone should have made Mr. Label Reader aware of the fact that he shouldn't have taken the M-Drol at all. The other guy didn't mention reading any labels, but suggested that I should abandon my multi-vitamin and fish oil and go "the natural way".
It's funny that they didn't mention that P-Plex is illegal and not available any more legally/online and insinuated that TFS was still selling it along with M-Drol and that M-Drol had been discontinued by the mfg already. They need to stay on top of current events if they want to call themselves the "news". Given that P-Plex is now illegal, it's funny that you don't hear about any winstrol and anavar lawsuits on the news (assuming using RX human versions).
So if I OD on fish oil (say 100g a day), get severe hypotension and blood thinning, and bleed out through my nose after I pass out, and live, by the logic of these two gentlemen, I should:
(A) Sue the online retailer
(B) Sue the manufacturer
(C) Say that I had no idea that the supp could hurt me, the label should have said so, and I wouldn't have taken it
(D) Sue the internet (if that were possible)
(E) Sue the guys in the gym who said "this is what everybody is taking now-go get some" b/c I took their possibly ill-advice or didn't do my homework before I ran to my PC to order some stuff to get big (or get skinny in the other guy's case)
(F) Sue the fishermen who caught the fish (free sardines for life?)
(G) Sue the lab that extracted/purified the fish oil from the fish for the manufacturer (plus the DEA can seize the clandestine fish oil lab and auction off all the fancy equipment-a win-win)
(H) Sue the dead fishes that contributed to my fish oil supplement (if possible)
(F)-->Just added: Sue the FDA for allowing a potential unsafe supplement to be marketed when the onus is on them to prove that a supp is unsafe
Pretty logical...this reminds me of a case from 10+ years ago where a guy got into a DUI, hurt someone else in another vehicle, and while facing criminal charges, filed a lawsuit against GM alleging their responsibility in making the vehicle being somehow connected to them getting drunk and driving the vehicle. The case was thrown out thankfully, but with the steroid zealots at the FDA, this case seems less likely to get tossed out so quickly.
I hope this lawsuit does get tossed out as frivilous, but in a day and age when nobody is responsible for anything they do, and the government and judiciary system agrees with them, it seems less likely. The newsperson did mention that the FDA issued a don't-take-these letter quite a while ago but nothing else (guess those boys missed the news, and with all those TV's at the gym too..). The dietary supplement industry is currently built on the framework that anyone can market a supplement and the burden is on the FDA to prove that a given supplement is NOT safe. Btw, I am not a legal expert, so I am probably missing important things that are going to somehow allow this lawsuit to proceed. While I don't like the FDA meddling in piddly affairs like the supp industry (and this small slice of it), why aren't they being sued as well? They allowed the products to be marketed while being well aware (including non-DSHEA compliance) of what the various products are after all (they even wrote a letter). I mean, if you are going to be sue-happy, might as well hit the FDA too. Besides, since the FDA didn't protect you from your own stupidity as they are apparently supposed to do in supp land, isn't it really their fault? Maybe ambulance chaser isn't balsy enough to try to sue the FDA?
Go after the easy targets...and never admit that YOU screwed up, it's all your fault, you can't handle the consequences of the decisions you make, you take substances without even knowing what they are or what they can do, and you are a moron! Sometimes the truth is too painful to accept. Strategies for life my friends...and remember, if you shoot somebody, it's not your fault, it's the gun's fault and the bullets made you do it. You'll probably get a reduced sentence or off completely. And money too. Hmm...money...
I would like to take a :dump: on this lawsuit/newsclip/and everyone involved including the camera man (LOL). I'm a little backed up, so there is plenty to go around folks!
:dump::dump::dump::dump:
Whenever someone chooses to do something, and they are unhappy with the consequences of their decision, their first reaction is "who can I blame besides myself b/c I certainly can't be held responsible for my own bad decisions?". Or better yet, "how many other people besides myself can I blame for my own bad decisions so that I can avoid taking that responsibility myself?". Pathetic.
Decisions have consequences. That's a fact of life that many ppl never get around to accepting.
I could rag on the stupidity of the ppl suing, the lawyer (well, he's smart in that he is trying to make money like any good ambulance chaser), the news person (they know how to put on a suit and makeup and read from a teleprompter and that's about it), etc, but I'll save my breath (correction-I changed my mind). The idiocy is self-evident. Maybe that's why I quit watching the news.
It also didn't say if they were taking P-Plex and M-Drol together; it sounded that way.
BTW, to the 2 numbskulls, the M-Drol bottle by CEL clearly says that this product should not be used for a first time prohormone cycle due to its strength. Given plantiff "pudgy" and plantiff "stick", and their claims of ignorance of liver effects, I am going to take a wild guess and say that neither has ran a prohormone cycle before. Ergo, that alone should have made Mr. Label Reader aware of the fact that he shouldn't have taken the M-Drol at all. The other guy didn't mention reading any labels, but suggested that I should abandon my multi-vitamin and fish oil and go "the natural way".
It's funny that they didn't mention that P-Plex is illegal and not available any more legally/online and insinuated that TFS was still selling it along with M-Drol and that M-Drol had been discontinued by the mfg already. They need to stay on top of current events if they want to call themselves the "news". Given that P-Plex is now illegal, it's funny that you don't hear about any winstrol and anavar lawsuits on the news (assuming using RX human versions).
So if I OD on fish oil (say 100g a day), get severe hypotension and blood thinning, and bleed out through my nose after I pass out, and live, by the logic of these two gentlemen, I should:
(A) Sue the online retailer
(B) Sue the manufacturer
(C) Say that I had no idea that the supp could hurt me, the label should have said so, and I wouldn't have taken it
(D) Sue the internet (if that were possible)
(E) Sue the guys in the gym who said "this is what everybody is taking now-go get some" b/c I took their possibly ill-advice or didn't do my homework before I ran to my PC to order some stuff to get big (or get skinny in the other guy's case)
(F) Sue the fishermen who caught the fish (free sardines for life?)
(G) Sue the lab that extracted/purified the fish oil from the fish for the manufacturer (plus the DEA can seize the clandestine fish oil lab and auction off all the fancy equipment-a win-win)
(H) Sue the dead fishes that contributed to my fish oil supplement (if possible)
(F)-->Just added: Sue the FDA for allowing a potential unsafe supplement to be marketed when the onus is on them to prove that a supp is unsafe
Pretty logical...this reminds me of a case from 10+ years ago where a guy got into a DUI, hurt someone else in another vehicle, and while facing criminal charges, filed a lawsuit against GM alleging their responsibility in making the vehicle being somehow connected to them getting drunk and driving the vehicle. The case was thrown out thankfully, but with the steroid zealots at the FDA, this case seems less likely to get tossed out so quickly.
I hope this lawsuit does get tossed out as frivilous, but in a day and age when nobody is responsible for anything they do, and the government and judiciary system agrees with them, it seems less likely. The newsperson did mention that the FDA issued a don't-take-these letter quite a while ago but nothing else (guess those boys missed the news, and with all those TV's at the gym too..). The dietary supplement industry is currently built on the framework that anyone can market a supplement and the burden is on the FDA to prove that a given supplement is NOT safe. Btw, I am not a legal expert, so I am probably missing important things that are going to somehow allow this lawsuit to proceed. While I don't like the FDA meddling in piddly affairs like the supp industry (and this small slice of it), why aren't they being sued as well? They allowed the products to be marketed while being well aware (including non-DSHEA compliance) of what the various products are after all (they even wrote a letter). I mean, if you are going to be sue-happy, might as well hit the FDA too. Besides, since the FDA didn't protect you from your own stupidity as they are apparently supposed to do in supp land, isn't it really their fault? Maybe ambulance chaser isn't balsy enough to try to sue the FDA?
Go after the easy targets...and never admit that YOU screwed up, it's all your fault, you can't handle the consequences of the decisions you make, you take substances without even knowing what they are or what they can do, and you are a moron! Sometimes the truth is too painful to accept. Strategies for life my friends...and remember, if you shoot somebody, it's not your fault, it's the gun's fault and the bullets made you do it. You'll probably get a reduced sentence or off completely. And money too. Hmm...money...
I would like to take a :dump: on this lawsuit/newsclip/and everyone involved including the camera man (LOL). I'm a little backed up, so there is plenty to go around folks!
:dump::dump::dump::dump:
jeanlolonnais
Member
I read an article in a mens health magazine not too long ago about a guy suing over liver damage.
He took Havoc for five months straight.
The lack of individual responsibility is staggering. Lawyers and frivilous law suites are litteraly 'dumbing' us down to the weakest link in the chain.
He took Havoc for five months straight.
The lack of individual responsibility is staggering. Lawyers and frivilous law suites are litteraly 'dumbing' us down to the weakest link in the chain.
dumbhick3
Member
^^^^^^^^
A 5 month oral cycle. I am not a proponent of darwinism, or even survival of the fittest (that excludes the vast majority of people in the middle, many of whom are smart enough to not do what that guy did), but perhaps the demise of the dumbest would be about the best way I can put it. The corollary to social darwinism perhaps?
Though I don't use injectable AAS, there is a reason that orals are used to kickstart those cycles-to LIMIT toxicity and generally avoid things like permanent liver damage or worse.
A 5 month oral cycle. I am not a proponent of darwinism, or even survival of the fittest (that excludes the vast majority of people in the middle, many of whom are smart enough to not do what that guy did), but perhaps the demise of the dumbest would be about the best way I can put it. The corollary to social darwinism perhaps?
Though I don't use injectable AAS, there is a reason that orals are used to kickstart those cycles-to LIMIT toxicity and generally avoid things like permanent liver damage or worse.
chickenlegscb
New member
In my opinion I'm sorry but those guys are complete morons. Proper research , preparation and support on cycle could have avoided all of this. What ever happened to personal accountabiliy!?
Orangepeel
Well-known member
HAHAHAHAHAAA - Add size to his 155Lb frame, what an ass!
mw1
Sponsor
ive noticed cels non hormonals didnt hit the market in time they said end of jan then end of march i hope this case doesnt mean the end of CEL
They are coming
MassX
New member
i agree with bleedingthrou. Obviously there wasnt enough info given on what dosage these guys were taking. Of course, I myself have never taken the supplement but i know many people who have and they experienced no sides. People need to do their homework before they take a supplement as powerful as M Drol, H Drol, P Plex, etc...
TheLastRonin
Active member
Those guys were tools...
dumbhick3
Member
It's ironic that pudgo was taking M-Drol to "get big". I think the Big Mac diet was already working pretty well for him. Slim Xtreme would have been the more logical choice.
:burger:
opcorn::spam:I...watched it again too, b/c you did (lol). The first thing I noticed was the newscaster's terrible hair piece; maybe he used to juice back in the day and fell victim to MPB.
TheBreeze
Active member
Ive been in a pretty good mood all day, so I cannot comment on this video because it will only cause me to become more enraged about the things I cannot control.
But IMO, I thought they grew 'em big in Texas. What did those fellas need Mdrol for anyways???
j/k (yes I watched the video. I bet neither of those guys have ever even set foot in a gym nor can they lift their own body weight off their chest, or off the ground for that matter.)
But IMO, I thought they grew 'em big in Texas. What did those fellas need Mdrol for anyways???
j/k (yes I watched the video. I bet neither of those guys have ever even set foot in a gym nor can they lift their own body weight off their chest, or off the ground for that matter.)
jp17815
Member
I can not express how pissed I am about this!!!!!
I cant put it into words.
The word tool comes to mind. I really do not think they followed the protocols on the bottle.
SIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(My uncle says that )
Questions??
1.So, is there a dosing protocol? Yes,1 to 2 caps a day.
2. How much to take a day? 1 to 2 caps a day.
3.How long should I take this for?:
Do not take this product for more then 4 weeks. Take AT LEAST!!! a 6 week break before cycling this product again.
Enough said...
4.Do they mention a PCT??
IDK about you, but I read the bottle, and how long should I take the pill.
5.what to do when I finish taking it.
Unclear? some may say yes. But... All this info is on the bottle, even though by law it does not need to be.
The part that really gets to me is that people that take Tylenol, and B/C it is FDA approved and taxes are paid on it. they seem to turn a blind eye to the fact with out the correct info and dosage . "Much like a PH" Very nasty side FX can happen.
Here is an example:
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:And many others:
(Google it)
Wow huh???
Remember the old blend of Hydroxycut Products??
Here you go.
FDA has received 23 reports of serious health problems ranging from jaundice and elevated liver enzymes, an indicator of potential liver injury, to liver damage requiring liver transplant. One death due to liver failure has been reported to the FDA.
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Hmmmmm..
Lets see.
56,ooo ER visits from the same stuff a nurse and or Doctor will give to our kids, plus at least 500 deaths in the US alone. VS A supplement With 23 reporst and 1 death .
Again sources:
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Also that is just a few.
Anyone else see a tren??
JP.
Hmmm..
Anyone elese think this is B/S??
I cant put it into words.
The word tool comes to mind. I really do not think they followed the protocols on the bottle.
SIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(My uncle says that )
Questions??
1.So, is there a dosing protocol? Yes,1 to 2 caps a day.
2. How much to take a day? 1 to 2 caps a day.
3.How long should I take this for?:
Do not take this product for more then 4 weeks. Take AT LEAST!!! a 6 week break before cycling this product again.
Enough said...
4.Do they mention a PCT??
IDK about you, but I read the bottle, and how long should I take the pill.
5.what to do when I finish taking it.
Unclear? some may say yes. But... All this info is on the bottle, even though by law it does not need to be.
The part that really gets to me is that people that take Tylenol, and B/C it is FDA approved and taxes are paid on it. they seem to turn a blind eye to the fact with out the correct info and dosage . "Much like a PH" Very nasty side FX can happen.
Here is an example:
"Source" Invalid Link Removed
:And many others:
(Google it)
Wow huh???
Remember the old blend of Hydroxycut Products??
Here you go.
FDA has received 23 reports of serious health problems ranging from jaundice and elevated liver enzymes, an indicator of potential liver injury, to liver damage requiring liver transplant. One death due to liver failure has been reported to the FDA.
:Source: Invalid Link Removed
Hmmmmm..
Lets see.
56,ooo ER visits from the same stuff a nurse and or Doctor will give to our kids, plus at least 500 deaths in the US alone. VS A supplement With 23 reporst and 1 death .
Again sources:
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And
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Invalid Link Removed
Invalid Link Removed
Also that is just a few.
Anyone else see a tren??
JP.
Hmmm..
Anyone elese think this is B/S??
jp17815
Member
Sorry to bump this myself. But.... When the crap happened with LG I stated that if we do not stand up and take a stance more crap would happen.
Guess what? it did.
Why???
B/C we let it..
I can not tell you all the emails I revived about subjects like this. There are still country's that sell aas otc. Also until the mid 80's you could get Tylenol 3 OTC. In Canada I think you still can,: I think But no DHEA THERE. .
So why is it ok in other country's and not the US??
Easy.......... MONEY!!
There are people on HRT that go to the Doc once every 2 weeks for a shot of test cyp 200mg/ or 250mg. 1ml.
For a Doc to give that shot it cost's around 90$ plus! Yes for 1 shot.
Break it down..
1-10 mil vial. Test-C
Product. Test , oil, Vial, Hell. I'll even throw in 10 pinz for HRT. 1 vial of 0f 10 mil pharmacy grade as far as cost to make is about, with a good profit. 1.5$ an amp.
and yes with pinz..... and profit.
Yes... that is in the US. About 1.5 bucks for 10, 1ml shots. Plus pinz.. Sick right???
Your Doc makes around 900$ by giving it you him/her self.. If you go in the gray area you save like 800$ . So like 90$ for the cycles by yourself . hmmmm.
But if uncle Sam says do it this way you must obey!!
Sick really... Think about it.
JP.
theface
Member
I couldn't agree more on the Tylenol reference. I have been preaching about the harmful effects of Tylenol for years now. It was only until the FDA issued the warning that my friends and family started listening to me.
dumbhick3
Member
Some ppl think the tylenol analogy is a joke, but I messed up on my last cycle and forgot that some Percocet I was prescribed had tylenol in it (duh). Along with H-drol and some non-methyls, my intracycle bloodwork showed an ALT of 178 (!) and AST of 88, much higher (the ALT) than what is expected with H-drol esp. considering that I was using strong supports like UDCA.
one8seven
Member
It's ironic that pudgo was taking M-Drol to "get big". I think the Big Mac diet was already working pretty well for him. Slim Xtreme would have been the more logical choice.
:burger:
I...watched it again too, b/c you did (lol). The first thing I noticed was the newscaster's terrible hair piece; maybe he used to juice back in the day and fell victim to MPB.
lmMFao good post.