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Quick question on non-meth PH

matthias7

matthias7

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Currently running formestane. Was going to run 1T (ADT) from PP and run formestane PCT. That seems like alot of AIs.

Anyway I have 1T, LGs PH LG Sciences Methyl 1-D and LG Sciences Methyl Masterdrol XL as well as the One. I also have a few more non-meths that are generally not regarded but I targeted them because they were non-meth. I presume Masterdrol is the only methylated PH in there - not 100% sure.

I'm not in it for big gains but some gains is the goal. What do you think? Also what period of rest would you give between formestane cycle and a gains cycle?
 
Methyl Masterdrol XL is not methylated its just the name its a dht prohormone.
and you can get real nice gains off of primordial performance 1-T its a very good product.
 
Thanks thats a good response.

Methyl Masterdrol XL -> DHT ?
That would infer no test is produced from it? DHT would cause some shutdown I presume but no test = no gains?
 
MMV2 and M1D are nice products aswell you would stack them together. if you have more questions about m1d or mmv2 i would post in the lg forum you will prob get a better response. same with PP 1-T. or you can ask me i have ran 1-T in the past. hope that helps.
 
matthias7 said:
Thanks thats a good response.

Methyl Masterdrol XL -> DHT ?
That would infer no test is produced from it? DHT would cause some shutdown I presume but no test = no gains?
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well it would lean you out and improve strength and in turn add some lean muscle. and also its supposed to be stacked with m1d which is a ph to test.
 
Excellent thanks. Will rep, rep, rep shortly.

Its nice to know what the stuff I've got does. I'll fire this into LG's board update here.
 
Thanks thats useful to know as well. I thought it was supposed to be "safe", but presumably it is a safe methylated PH? I'm asking APPNUT to feed into the thread.
 
Here's the blurb on M1D
*Methyl 1-D – The last true remaining prohormone: With the ban of January 4th, there is really a very few amount of hormonal products left on the market. Their time is running out, and it’s unbelievable that some of them are still on the shelves. – LG Sciences Methyl 1-D is completely legal; compliant with all FDA and DSHEA regulations. It is a true prohormone, and is great for anyone looking to pack on size, strength, and muscle density while avoiding the harsh liver-toxic anabolics that are currently being sold over-the-counter. M1D is rather complex in its makeup, and most people that view the formulation write off most of the ingredients because they don’t completely understand what they’re there for. Here’s a breakdown of everything, and why they’re so important:

Prohormone Complex 125mg **
3beta-Hydroxyandrost-5-Ene-17-One - the prohormone

3-Beta-Hydroxy-Urs-12-En-28-Oic Acid - Aromatase inhibitor that will
reduce conversion to estrogen

Para-Hydroxy-Phenyl-Ethanolamine - 11b-Hydroxylase Inhibitor which will
help load sugar and water into the muscle cell

Metabolism Complex (Patent Pending) 250mg **

Luteolin - Sulfotransferase Inhibitor which is one of the main ways
hormones are excreted

Ellagic Acid - competitive SERM to block estrogenic effects at the receptor

Piperine - Glucoronidase inhibitor which is another main way hormones
are excreted

Zinc Aspartate - increases androgen receptor activity

Coleus Forskolin - increases 3bHydroxysteroid dehydrogenase which is
responsible for converting androsterone-based hormones to testosterone.

Caprylic Acid - increases androgen receptor activity

Stinging Nettle Extract - reduces SHBG to make more testosterone
available and also reduces 5aReductase activity

2-Phenyl-Di-Benzyl-Benzopyran-4-One - another aromatase inhibitor

This system mimics the effects of Methylated Prohormones without the
negatives. 17aMethyl hormones - inhibit 11bHydroxylase, block
glucoronidase, block 17bHSD (unnecessary in androsterones)
 
Masterdrol blurb:

Masterdrol is not a mass product on it's own, it does a good job of increasing strength, intensity and focus in the gym, without bloat or water retention. Alone, it is a perfect cutter product and stacked with Methyl 1-D, it provides the perfect addition to boost vascularity and strength.

Methyl Masterdrol can be used in cycles of up to 8 weeks for very hard core users. If you wish, you can use Formadrol for Post Cycle Therapy to decrease the time of your natural recovery after a cycle.

Okay thats DHT for sure.
 
Okay here's Rosie's PM on the One. Very informative indeed.

With great thanks.
***********************************************
Matt,

Yes, The ONE is a non-methylated PH. As for how it compares to other PHs, you
d have to ask someone who HAS USED other PHs and The ONE. Also check out the logs and feedback threads.

* ***Links to The ONE Logs***
* ***FEEDBACK on The ONE***
Other threads containing information on The ONE, including the Technical Write-Up (for your friend to look through):

* 2009's biggest product is here- a sneak preview from AN :)
* It Is Here- AN's Write-Up for 2009's Biggest Product!!!!!!
* THE ONE!!!!! IMPORTANT RELEASE INFORMATION- WE HAVE SET A DATE!!
* THE ONE- BEAUTIFUL PACKAGING PLUS INFORMATION ABOUT ***FREE*** STUFF!!!!
* WAIT!!! Is ?The ONE really enough????

If you're going to use it, the most important thread to read:
* >>>the Right Way To Gain 10-15lbs In 15 Days With The One!!!<<<


Regards,
ROSIE
 
"The One" looks good.

Okay here's the tech. write up of "The One" Rosie posted ... Its DHT PH for me thats great 'cause I suspect it will give very good "energy" etc....

Applied Nutriceuticals: The ONE - Technical Write-Up said:
Name: 17a-methyl-etioallocholan-17b-ol-3-hydroxyimine

Standard: Testosterone

Androgenic: 140

Anabolic: 380

Estrogenic Activity: none

Progestational Activity: none

Derivation/Analog of: Dihydrotestosterone

...

Product Characteristics:

• The One is an oral prohormone of Dihydrotestosterone (DHT), a compound that
produces effects 3 to 5 times more potent than testosterone on the androgen receptor.
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Wow, I'm sorry I thought The One was methylated. Either way I took cycle support while on it and only had a slightly increased BP as far as sides go.
 
Apologies its my mistake, Mikey is 100% correct. The One is methylated but mild on sides. I think the idea is that it is mild on sides like a non-methy but is methylated.

It isn't on the "banned" list.

In theory using saw palmetto isn't a good idea with it being a DHT PH (Cycle Support). At first I was skeptical but I understand that now. To use saw palmetto or not, is always a problem. Its just I am aware how much drive and energy come through DHT.

It does look a solid product and I'll be running it this summer. I'll go ahead with a straight 1T run for now. The 90 day period of "no adrogenic compounds" prior to using "The One" is hard to stick to. 90 days is a long time, a very long time.

By the way I've got 11-Test, 'cause its non-meth. Any ideas?
 
matthias7 said:
Currently running formestane. Was going to run 1T (ADT) from PP and run formestane PCT. That seems like alot of AIs.
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I have just started seeing people refer to 1-Androsterone products (PP 1-T, AMS 1-Andro) as ADT, not sure if that is confusing people with ATD. Most simply refer to this as andro or AD. This is NOT the aromatase inhibitor ATD (1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione).

Rosie said that The One is NOT methylated.
 
p5sky said:
Rosie said that The One is NOT methylated.
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Rosie later mentioned it was methylated, but has low sides. I sort of apologized on her behalf.

ADT thing - yeah we had this discussion with Irish Canon some time ago. Very funny dialogue BTW. Thanks for the clarification.

Any ideas on 11-test?
 
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